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(Daily Mail)   DARPA working on multiple GM projects to biologically extend soldiers' active fighting time with special pills to forgo sleeping, efficient use of fat stores to forgo eating, and cell triggers to regrow blown-off limbs   ( dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2012-08-13 09:27:55 PM  

Cinaed: No. With a few specific, and well known exceptions, they were not.


...But the US firebombed over sixty cities in Japan alone.
That use of incendiaries on civilian areas sounds far from rare or specific.

Cinaed: Not really, no. It's amazing what simple regulation, oversight, and book-keeping can do.


It requires the rule of law, which isn't magic. Its manpower and equipment.
Not all nations have the means for tight borders, and without that the bookkeeping remains meaningless.

Cinaed: The instability you seem to be thinking of only existed 'after' invasion, not before.


That is why I mention it. In absence of their police force it was only their militia keeping security, and it was our forces that had to stand between those warring factions. It was our forces that had to deal with the loudest troublemakers, arrest them, and then arrange for their captivity and trial. It took Iraq years to rebuild its police force.

Cinaed: What the fark does that have to do with the '2nd amendment spirit'?


Because, if the militia still responds to the moral authority of the president and joint chiefs, it can be a factor in reestablishing rule rather than one causing more chaos.
Not much unlike the Iraqi militias responded to their respective town elders and priests (some of which we could pay off to gain compliance).
 
2012-08-13 10:22:34 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: On top of that, soldiers who stay in the army receive additional expensive training to make them more valuable noncommissioned officers.


It would cost $X to train and 6 years experience to replace EnlistedX.(global cost)
Officers is similar, but there is the previous education that unsettles the simplicity(as if either accounts for actual skill of said soldier, could be one in a 100,000 type of go getter/positive attitude/smart etc).

This whole "a soldier is worth X" really isn't quite how the military looks at it. Even they're not quite stupid enough to think quite that shallowly.

/air forced electronics
//was expensive to replace me when I got out and took 6 years experience with me
///really though, by shifting people around they can negate the impact of the time, My specific replacement locally likely had 4 years experience and grew into it, and his 2 years, and his 1, and his, well, plenty of noobs(sort of, part of why career fields were combining with eachother, downscaling sucks, doubles a soldiers training requirements almost and more additional duties as well, plus required volunteer time/community service, plus dog and pony shows, plus excercises(IE chemical gear and pretend war, 15 hour shifts for 7 days straight... not pushups, but that was required time spent as well, excercise outside of work, no matter how straining work was).
////but it's still 6 years worth of experience that is no longer an asset, because of most of that in ( ) above getting progressively worse
//only so many hours in a day
 
2012-08-13 11:24:52 PM  

omeganuepsilon: This whole "a soldier is worth X" really isn't quite how the military looks at it. Even they're not quite stupid enough to think quite that shallowly.


In many respects the military does look at it that way. That's why enlistment bonuses exist, and why their amount varies by rank and MOS.

Take, as an example, a cohort of E-5* airborne-qualified infantrymen nearing their REFRAD** dates. The service knows that it has spent an $x to recruit, pay, house, feed, and train them, and that for every one of them, y other soldiers were recruited, trained, fed, housed, and paid, yet washed out or were in injured to the point of medical disqualification, or are otherwise gone before getting to be E-5* airborne-qualified infantrymen eligible for reenlistment, and that $z was spent on them in the process. The service knows that it is financially prudent to offer each of the men in this example $w; to sign on the line which is dotted, rather than see him leave for greener civilian pastures and lose that training investment and experience.

My point in my previous post was disputing Vaneshi's assertion that a soldier's training represents a mere £20,000 investment.

* For those unfamiliar, E-5 is the fifth enlisted pay grade. It is the pay grade of a "buck" sergeant in the Army or Marine Corps, a petty officer 2nd class in the Navy or Coast Guard, and a staff sergeant in the Air Force.

** REFRAD = Release from active duty.
 
2012-08-13 11:27:17 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: In many respects the military does look at it that way. That's why re-enlistment bonuses exist, and why their amount varies by rank and MOS


FIFM.

Enlistment bonuses also exist, but that has to do with supply & demand, rather than training investment.
 
2012-08-13 11:43:27 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: My point in my previous post was disputing Vaneshi's assertion that a soldier's training represents a mere £20,000 investment.


Oh, no no, that's cool. I should have reached upthread to quote the original thing, wasn't really at you as you do know what you're talking about. The time is an important factor in deciding a soldier's worth and can't specifically be set to a monetary number. 10 years in, a decorated and dedicated NCO, invaluable.

I didn't even mention housing, feeding, and figuring in the washouts. Just wanted to touch on the concept than it's much more than a simple price tag. You are right that it's pretty high cost for anything and that the 20k is WAY low.

/disorganized, but it's bedtime, so meh
 
2012-08-14 01:49:24 AM  

HopScotchNSoda:

Derpyness.


Ya know, I was going to type out a long winded and thoughtful reply. But your full of shiat. A grunt is worth $20k, you know it. I know it, fark even they know it. They're lives are cheap. Should it be this way? No. But it is.

The replacement arm issues is described as "a hook on a stick" don't confuse the prototype 10pt for $10k one shown on TED with the actual one fitted.

Power Armour. As in... Powered Armour. IRON MAN... ringing any bells? No? How about FOR THE EMPRAH! No? Fair enough. Landmate? How about miniature Gundam? Any of this helping? Right.

And your line about Antibiotics? fark off septic.

Go be retarded somewhere else.
 
2012-08-14 07:00:44 AM  
Link

Incase you feel like correcting your troll-like ignorance, Vaneshi.
 
2012-08-14 10:33:32 AM  

Vaneshi: Power Armour. As in... Powered Armour. IRON MAN... ringing any bells? No? How about FOR THE EMPRAH! No? Fair enough. Landmate? How about miniature Gundam? Any of this helping? Right.


No, I'm afraid not. I saw trailers for Iron Man but I'm not particularly familiar with the character. The other things you refer too mean nothing to me. I presume from the context "Gundam" is not associated with the popular Fark meme of "the g-d damn Batman". Is "for the emprah" a mispronounced or accented "for the emperor" uttered by a movie character? What is "landmate"? Please explain. What is power armour?

Admittedly, I am not as well versed in references from science fiction and comic book franchises as many farkers. In those genres, my awareness is generally limited to Star Trek (films & tv, but not a lot of DS9), Star Wars (films & the holiday special), Batman (60s live action TV & the films since then), Superman (1950s TV & the films since 1978), BSG (both the GAL and RDM productions), Wonder Woman & Hulk (1970s TV only), and the various Whovian TV series.


A grunt is worth $20k, you know it. I know it, fark even they know it. They're lives are cheap. Should it be this way? No. But it is.

Instead of defending your uninformed low-ball price tag of £20,000, you slashed it by more than a third, to a mere $20,000 and hold to an a-priory argument..

I originally only outlined the lost investment. The death of a service member costs the U.S. military several times that even if he dies on his way to basic training, when the only "investment" has been in recruiting and entry processing. The death gratuity alone is $100,000, paid to the next of kin of each KIA (that's on top of the insurance). Beyond that, the $20,000 doesn't even cover the final expenses after a death if the soldier leaves dependents and the NOK opts for a national or post cemetery (shipping, embalming, & uniforming the corpse, man-hours of the detailed escort, travel and per-diem of the escort, man-hours of the casualty assistance officer, travel and per-diem of the casualty assistance officer, digging the grave if in a national or post cemetery, engraving and installing the headstone, relocating the widow and children back to their home of record. The government had also subsidized the premiums the decedent's quarter-million dollar life insurance by half.


The replacement arm issues is described as "a hook on a stick"

You are simply wrong. No prosthetic can ever be as good as having a natural, fully functioning limb, but the days of the VA or DOD issuing the old "hook on a stick" or a peg leg are long gone.


And your line about Antibiotics? fark off septic.

Are you denying my assertion that the industrialised production of antibiotics and their proliferation were driven by World War II? If so, please explain. If you mean something else, please explain.


You dismiss the research of DARPA, the services' medical departments, and the VA, saying that they will never be put to use. Why then do you believe then that those agencies spend that money on that research?
 
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