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(Daily Mail)   DARPA working on multiple GM projects to biologically extend soldiers' active fighting time with special pills to forgo sleeping, efficient use of fat stores to forgo eating, and cell triggers to regrow blown-off limbs   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 108
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2012-08-12 02:45:37 PM  
I think they just got around to reading,"Old Man's War".
 
2012-08-12 02:46:49 PM  
Sounds creepy as all get-out.
 
2012-08-12 02:49:30 PM  
Ah. This will end well.
 
2012-08-12 02:58:48 PM  
If they can come up with something that triggers using fat cells instead of eating (and hunger), they'll have a product that will sell well enough to pay the national debt.

The working without sleep one is scary though, as it is likely to burn people out. How long till corporate masters require it's use by employees?
 
2012-08-12 02:58:55 PM  
That would actually be a heck of a diet plan if you think about it. Being able to live for a while on your fat stores without eating. Provided that you don't get hungry & repack the calories back in, your body eating itself should shed the pounds/inches fairly quickly. An ultra low calorie diet does that but you're very hungry for a while & not getting needed nutrients/minerals. An interesting thought anyway.

/thinking more for fat/obese civilians than for soldiers
 
2012-08-12 02:59:56 PM  
This is news? I figured they were always working on stuff like that. Some of the research into basically freezing critically injured people is really interesting. Keep them alive until you can get to a high-end hospital.
 
2012-08-12 03:12:33 PM  
Interesting, that should work for fat people - fit people will digest muscle mass destructively.


/I already am one of the Supersleepless
 
2012-08-12 04:12:02 PM  
And people say that auto bailout wasn't worth it.
 
2012-08-12 04:14:23 PM  

NotARocketScientist: If they can come up with something that triggers using fat cells instead of eating (and hunger), they'll have a product that will sell well enough to pay the national debt.

The working without sleep one is scary though, as it is likely to burn people out. How long till corporate masters require it's use by employees?


It's called "Glucagon" and your body makes it naturally when it is not making insulin. It's precisely why/how low carb diets work
 
2012-08-12 04:56:18 PM  
If this technology could be extended to civilian procedures (such as regrowing lost limbs or growing limbs that didnt form correctly in the womb), would this technology be considered evil?
 
2012-08-12 05:26:57 PM  

GAT_00: This is news? I figured they were always working on stuff like that.


Pretty much.
 
2012-08-12 05:47:21 PM  
So they're working on reinventing cocaine and then some other amazing stuff? (Regrowing limbs? Hmmm. Stem cells - couldn't do that under certain administrations).
 
2012-08-12 06:55:58 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: So they're working on reinventing cocaine and then some other amazing stuff? (Regrowing limbs? Hmmm. Stem cells - couldn't do that under certain administrations).


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Star Trek called it.
 
2012-08-12 06:57:18 PM  

NotARocketScientist: The working without sleep one is scary though, as it is likely to burn people out. How long till corporate masters require it's use by employees?


I wouldn't let you sleep until you master the intricate and mysterious difference between its and it is.
 
2012-08-12 07:00:18 PM  
Scary? Is there not an AWESOME! tag?
 
2012-08-12 07:01:49 PM  

milsorgen: Scary? Is there not an AWESOME! tag?


Yes, but it's in a lab being weaponized at the moment.
 
2012-08-12 07:08:49 PM  

NotARocketScientist: If they can come up with something that triggers using fat cells instead of eating (and hunger), they'll have a product that will sell well enough to pay the national debt.

The working without sleep one is scary though, as it is likely to burn people out. How long till corporate masters require it's use by employees?


From my understanding it's easy enough to dose someone with a chemical that makes a person feel rested, however I don't believe there is any real way to actually make someone rested. As corporations have a vested interest in their employees not going completely insane from lack of sleep (if for no other reason then to avoid paying workman's comp), I doubt it'll ever come into widespread use on that side of things.

I'm sure it'll be useful enough to keep soldiers awake in emergency situations, but it'll be a long time before we can actually replicate all the effects of sleep in pill form, if ever.
 
2012-08-12 07:13:22 PM  
This guy approves. Hell, he's actually got experience with all of the above.

www.vgblogger.com

Now if they could just do something about bathroom breaks, he could war 24/7.
 
2012-08-12 07:13:56 PM  
Meanwhile...

www.tokeofthetown.com
 
2012-08-12 07:14:38 PM  
I don't think this warrants a 'scary' tag. This research is a long way off. Even with the success of the exo-skeleton, there is still no efficient way to power it at the moment.

The food idea is interesting, but I think not particularly practical. I always took very little food, even on multiple day patrols, because you can easily live off of 1 MRE a day. The real killer is water, even with saline solutions we consumed very large quantities of it, and there is no way to make it lighter. Don't see how you can get around that.

Reducing ammo weight would be awesome too, we always carried way more than the textbook load out, alternative propellants could be a great way to reduce this, but I doubt they will be cost-effective enough.
 
2012-08-12 07:16:27 PM  
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They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.

- The Big E
 
2012-08-12 07:18:30 PM  

olddeegee: I think they just got around to reading,"Old Man's War".


I was thinking of The Forever War.
 
2012-08-12 07:27:31 PM  

NotARocketScientist: If they can come up with something that triggers using fat cells instead of eating (and hunger), they'll have a product that will sell well enough to pay the national debt.

The working without sleep one is scary though, as it is likely to burn people out. How long till corporate masters require it's use by employees?


I think the Nazis invented this one already. Another shot of Vitamultin Herr Fuehrer ?
 
2012-08-12 07:32:47 PM  
olddeegee: I think they just got around to reading,"Old Man's War".

StoneColdAtheist: I was thinking of The Forever War.


Ha! I read his comment, then started to type your comment. Damn, I love Fark.
 
2012-08-12 07:37:06 PM  
Regrowth of limbs and no Lizard references? You disappoint me, Fark
 
2012-08-12 07:38:18 PM  

olddeegee: I think they just got around to reading,"Old Man's War".


If by the time I hit 75 they can download my ass into a new body, I'd probably sign up.

Although, more optimistically, by the time I hit 75, a new body will just be covered by my insurance plan. $50 co-pay and a 25 year old new me (and keep a few extra livers on ice).
 
2012-08-12 07:39:02 PM  
I love the idea of genetic tinkering, also. Only thing is, if science fiction has taught me anything, there will eventually be a war between "purebreds" and the "unclean".
 
2012-08-12 07:41:45 PM  
RobertBruce: Interesting, that should work for fat people - fit people will digest muscle mass destructively.

But what if you work out at the same time, can you lift weights to counter the loss of muscle mass?

So that muscle and fat get burned, but you add more muscle, leaving the majority of the net loss as fat.
 
2012-08-12 07:44:59 PM  

GAT_00: This is news? I figured they were always working on stuff like that. Some of the research into basically freezing critically injured people is really interesting. Keep them alive until you can get to a high-end hospital.


As the English discovered in the Falklands War.
 
2012-08-12 07:49:40 PM  

lordargent: RobertBruce: Interesting, that should work for fat people - fit people will digest muscle mass destructively.

But what if you work out at the same time, can you lift weights to counter the loss of muscle mass?

So that muscle and fat get burned, but you add more muscle, leaving the majority of the net loss as fat.


Nope. You need to intake calories (protein, carbs and fats) to build muscle
 
2012-08-12 07:50:31 PM  
Scary tag? How about Awesome! tag?
 
2012-08-12 07:54:48 PM  
YAY!

Let's fund more money into pointless wars for the improved benefit of the rich!
 
2012-08-12 07:57:17 PM  
I'm just thinking of the possibilities that limb regrowth could give to the world. Also, what better way to manipulate someone into joining the Army than telling them they could be like Captain America/Iron Man? I'd even be tempted myself.
 
2012-08-12 08:01:15 PM  
machoprogrammer : Nope. You need to intake calories (protein, carbs and fats) to build muscle

I was under the impression that protein was the way to build muscle mass.

Anyway, looking at this from the guise of someone trying to lose weight (vs a soldier going without rations).

They can still have a caloric intake (IE, they don't have to go down to 0 calorie intake). From that premise, would it be possible to take in enough protein and lift enough weights to counter the loss of muscle from having large daily net loss of calories.

IE, say someone that normally eats 2000 calories per day (but really should be eating 1500 calories per day) cut their intake to 500 calories per day.

That would result in a net loss of 1000 calories per day. Can they subsist on the 500 calories that they intake (with their stored body fat making up the other 1000 calories of their daily requirement).
 
2012-08-12 08:04:45 PM  
Someone's been watching too much X-Files. Or reading too much Warren Ellis.
 
2012-08-12 08:05:26 PM  

cman: If this technology could be extended to civilian procedures (such as regrowing lost limbs or growing limbs that didnt form correctly in the womb), would this technology be considered evil?


Yes. It would interfere with God's plan for you.
 
2012-08-12 08:05:37 PM  
I have a feeling this is the moment when Zombies are created. We'll call them heroes, but not every thing is what our government names it.
 
2012-08-12 08:06:31 PM  

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They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.

- The Big E


FOR THE EMPEROR!

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2012-08-12 08:18:54 PM  
www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-08-12 08:21:40 PM  
Been there, done that. Nods in approval.

nerdbastards.com
 
2012-08-12 08:32:07 PM  
www.osusilverbullet.com
What is Modafinil, phentermine, and mammalian extracellular matrix.
 
2012-08-12 08:38:20 PM  
"It is hoped to replace the amphetamine-based drugs that have previously been used to keep servicemen alert during operations. They had been found to affect decision making and had been blamed for errors in judgement that had led to many so-called incidents of friendly fire."

So meth and guns don't mix? No way.
 
2012-08-12 08:58:12 PM  
You know who else used a drug to keep his soldiers awake for days at a time?
 
2012-08-12 09:07:45 PM  
Right. So, Meth then.

/it too, is a hell of a drug.
//or at least that's what I, uh, read.
 
2012-08-12 09:27:18 PM  

ParagonComplex: I'm just thinking of the possibilities that limb regrowth could give to the world. Also, what better way to manipulate someone into joining the Army than telling them they could be like Captain America/Iron Man? I'd even be tempted myself.


I'm holding out for giant robots.

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/I mean, being a super soldier is nice and all, but it aint the same as squishing enemies under your feet.
 
2012-08-12 09:29:30 PM  
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Swear to God, everytime I see DARPA this is the only thing I think of.
 
2012-08-12 09:39:04 PM  
Tomorrow's soldiers could be able to run at Olympic speeds and will be able to go for days without food or sleep, if new research into gene manipulation is successful.


Yo, dawgs; that was the motivation for creating meth way before WW2.
 
2012-08-12 09:39:33 PM  
I can not WAIT to be weaponized.

/been saving for this
 
2012-08-12 09:45:57 PM  
Spiffy tag afraid to man up and grow a few cocks?
 
2012-08-12 09:50:20 PM  

wiredtolain: [guidesarchive.ign.com image 280x196]

Swear to God, everytime I see DARPA this is the only thing I think of.


HAHAHAHAHAH, same here. The farking DARPA chief.
 
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