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(io9)   Wikileaks under massive DDoS after revealing "TrapWire," a government spy network that uses ordinary surveillance cameras   (m.io9.com) divider line 362
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2012-08-12 02:12:13 PM  
To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised. I was pretty sure that this was happening (or was inevitably going to happen).
 
2012-08-12 02:21:24 PM  
At this point I'm not sure what the DDoS is doing. The story has been out there a while, and there are mirror sites.
 
2012-08-12 04:24:34 PM  

Bontesla: To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised. I was pretty sure that this was happening (or was inevitably going to happen).


I live in D.C., so I always assumed this was the case everywhere I go.
 
2012-08-12 04:49:38 PM  
Change we can believe in
 
2012-08-12 04:58:11 PM  

St_Francis_P: At this point I'm not sure what the DDoS is doing. The story has been out there a while, and there are mirror sites.


I think that a couple of governments just go after wikileaks as a sort of knee jerk/default position. they see something new posted, they just go and try to crash the website.

that said - if this report is accurate and the US government IS doing this....i'm not sure there's much we can do about it. start wearing masks maybe....
 
2012-08-12 05:02:57 PM  
I knew the Feds were doing this YEARS ago!

That's why I stopped wearing pants. :P
 
2012-08-12 05:09:06 PM  
It seems like this is all for the greater good so im ok with it.
 
2012-08-12 05:10:07 PM  
Thanks 9-11.
 
2012-08-12 05:10:21 PM  
Now let's see if Western mainstream media reports this. I'm thinking they will, but won't be surprised if this goes silent.
Thirty countries representing more than half the world's population met in Tehran last Thursday to figure out how to help Syria (Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.) and I have yet to find a single article about it in Western mainstream media. Hillary Clinton hasn't figured out how to get rid of Assad, but she sure has figured out how to keep the press quiet about the fact that he's not as isolated as she says he is.
 
2012-08-12 05:16:47 PM  
That old argument about having nothing to hide if you've done nothing wrong, yeah, that's out there for a reason. It's true. People worried about getting caught on surveillance for buying their marijuana, picking up their prostitutes, doing illegal gambling, selling their prescription drugs, sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children -- these are the people you see commenting that we live in a police state because these are the people who have something they need hidden from the rest of us. And maybe if they felt an ounce of guilt about it, they'd stop and realize they're hurting themselves and everyone else more than the government has ever hurt us with a few cameras.
 
2012-08-12 05:19:10 PM  

Triumph: Now let's see if Western mainstream media reports this. I'm thinking they will, but won't be surprised if this goes silent.
Thirty countries representing more than half the world's population met in Tehran last Thursday to figure out how to help Syria (Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.) and I have yet to find a single article about it in Western mainstream media. Hillary Clinton hasn't figured out how to get rid of Assad, but she sure has figured out how to keep the press quiet about the fact that he's not as isolated as she says he is.


if it does get reported, it will be presented in a mocking tone. something along the lines of 'ha ha this is what the conspiracy people are talking about today, next up - chemtrails!' then after it gets a solid thumping in the press, they'll drop the story and flash some Olympic swimmer chicks in a slick new bathing suit or something.
 
2012-08-12 05:20:38 PM  

ignite ice: That old argument about having nothing to hide if you've done nothing wrong, yeah, that's out there for a reason. It's true. People worried about getting caught on surveillance for buying their marijuana, picking up their prostitutes, doing illegal gambling, selling their prescription drugs, sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children -- these are the people you see commenting that we live in a police state because these are the people who have something they need hidden from the rest of us. And maybe if they felt an ounce of guilt about it, they'd stop and realize they're hurting themselves and everyone else more than the government has ever hurt us with a few cameras.


I honestly can't tell if this is trolling or not.

meh.
 
2012-08-12 05:41:18 PM  
This is how they caught Bin Laden. He bought nachos and a slurpee at a 7-11 in Abbottabad and they tracked him down using facial recognition software.
 
2012-08-12 05:51:41 PM  
it's time for an amendment guaranteeing privacy.

but we'll never get one written because it would protect a woman's right to manage her own body -- that is a deal killer right there.
 
2012-08-12 05:53:25 PM  

ignite ice: sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children


BURN THEM!
 
2012-08-12 05:58:11 PM  

Mark Ratner: This is how they caught Bin Laden. He bought nachos and a slurpee at a 7-11 in Abbottabad and they tracked him down using facial recognition software.


You lie. He and Obama were pen pals, trading Koran verses and tips for jihad. They just traced his letters back.
 
2012-08-12 06:04:10 PM  
Eh, the patent reads differently than what they're saying. They're talking about identifying vulnerabilities and then putting cameras on them (you know, because actually fixing the vulnerabilities would be too hard), then having their software monitor those vulnerable areas.

The guy behind the counter may feel differently than you, but the convenience store you frequent is probably not a critical piece of infrastructure, and probably can't afford to have Abraxas come out and look for the vulnerabilities in their surely-impeccable security.

Sure, you could spend our tax money to set all this up, and you could use the same software to identify people who politically disagree with you or whatever. But the number of false positives you'd get would probably make that a waste of time.
 
2012-08-12 06:04:31 PM  
How is this a big surprising thing? Has nobody ever heard of the Lower Manhattan Security Initiative? That's been a thing for years. It's a bunch of police and private cameras in one network.
 
2012-08-12 06:06:28 PM  

Weaver95: ignite ice: That old argument about having nothing to hide if you've done nothing wrong, yeah, that's out there for a reason. It's true. People worried about getting caught on surveillance for buying their marijuana, picking up their prostitutes, doing illegal gambling, selling their prescription drugs, sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children -- these are the people you see commenting that we live in a police state because these are the people who have something they need hidden from the rest of us. And maybe if they felt an ounce of guilt about it, they'd stop and realize they're hurting themselves and everyone else more than the government has ever hurt us with a few cameras.

I honestly can't tell if this is trolling or not.


If he's not a troll, he'll do until one comes along.

Look, I know this all sounds a bit crackpot, but anyways, thanks subby, and Fark too of course. Unless my tinfoil hat shrank too much in the wash last night, there really needs to be more coverage on this. It really should go on the Geek and Politics tabs as well, I think (maybe it is, just says 'Main' now). I saw the story io9 references from Business Insider submitted three times and redlit three times (once myself, and my headline was *HILARIOUS*, but that's beside the point). I checked CNN, BBC and a few other large outlets, nothing, although BBC is now linking to a few other sites' articles.
Salon has a piece basically linking to Russian Times' story (I believe they broke it, take that as you will) and this one on
Storify.com:
Which is a bit more in depth, though I have never heard of the author or site. A quick poke around looked left leaning, but not dramatically.

So far none of the majors appear to be touching it, not even Drudge, Kos has a single piece I haven't looked at yet... so I don't know -- but I'd kind of like to.

BRB. Door.
 
2012-08-12 06:19:54 PM  
'We are the dead,' he said.
 
2012-08-12 06:25:47 PM  

ignite ice: That old argument about having nothing to hide if you've done nothing wrong, yeah, that's out there for a reason. It's true. People worried about getting caught on surveillance for buying their marijuana, picking up their prostitutes, doing illegal gambling, selling their prescription drugs, sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children -- these are the people you see commenting that we live in a police state because these are the people who have something they need hidden from the rest of us. And maybe if they felt an ounce of guilt about it, they'd stop and realize they're hurting themselves and everyone else more than the government has ever hurt us with a few cameras.


Srly wtf is this crap?
 
2012-08-12 06:25:50 PM  
i1053.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 06:40:05 PM  

Weaver95:
I honestly can't tell if this is trolling or not.

meh.


Previous threads indicate troll, but I like trolls so carry on Mr. Ice.
 
2012-08-12 06:41:09 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
I honestly can't tell if this is trolling or not.

meh.

Previous threads indicate troll, but I like trolls so carry on Mr. Ice.


stop - collaborate and listen?
 
2012-08-12 06:42:43 PM  

Triumph: [i1053.photobucket.com image 850x386]


Yep, wanted to post this too.

Trapwire.com
 
2012-08-12 06:50:15 PM  

meow said the dog: ignite ice: sitting outside elementary schools and parks watching children

BURN THEM!


The parks, or the children?
 
2012-08-12 06:51:05 PM  
This worries me. :-/
The secretive nature of it does not inspire trust.
At the same time, the source, Russian-state owned media network RT also does lend itself confidence.

Need more info.


TsarTom: I saw the story io9 references from Business Insider submitted three times and redlit three times (once myself, and my headline was *HILARIOUS*, but that's beside the point).

There's your mistake. You need to find the Gawker Network page linking to it. Submit that.
 
2012-08-12 06:51:09 PM  
We're uncomfortably comfortable with surveillance.

This was not always so.
 
2012-08-12 06:52:03 PM  

God-is-a-Taco:
At the same time, the source, Russian-state owned media network RT also does lend itself confidence.


Err, I mean it doesn't.

And no, Weaver, I was referring to Mr. Cool Ice.
 
2012-08-12 06:53:43 PM  
i870.photobucket.com

i870.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 06:54:09 PM  

Party Boy: We're uncomfortably comfortable with surveillance.

This was not always so.


not only that, but some people become actively upset if we slack off and let people alone.
 
2012-08-12 06:56:13 PM  
you wait and see - our GOP shills will pretend this doesn't matter, and they'll openly mock the idea that anyone should be concerned with government surveillance. then they'll wave the flag and mention something about 'bootstraps'.

personally I think they're all nuts but there you go.
 
2012-08-12 07:22:01 PM  

Weaver95: Party Boy: We're uncomfortably comfortable with surveillance.

This was not always so.

not only that, but some people become actively upset if we slack off and let people alone.


Remember sunshine laws? The people are supposed to have surveillance of the government. The sure sign of slipping into an authoritarian state is when the people become seen as the potential "enemy" and specialized weapons are pointed inward. I suppose the question here is whether cameras are like a form of weaponry or not. Since everyone these days has a camera of their own in their pocket, the power balance evens out so long as citizens' right to take video of their own is not infringed.
 
2012-08-12 07:26:21 PM  

Triumph: Weaver95: Party Boy: We're uncomfortably comfortable with surveillance.

This was not always so.

not only that, but some people become actively upset if we slack off and let people alone.

Remember sunshine laws? The people are supposed to have surveillance of the government. The sure sign of slipping into an authoritarian state is when the people become seen as the potential "enemy" and specialized weapons are pointed inward. I suppose the question here is whether cameras are like a form of weaponry or not. Since everyone these days has a camera of their own in their pocket, the power balance evens out so long as citizens' right to take video of their own is not infringed.


problem is, a lot of the state and local cops have been...less than enthusiastic when it comes to letting average citizens record events that happen in public and post them to social media sites. And the mainstream press has been known to simply flat out ignore footage that doesn't fit their chosen narrative.
 
2012-08-12 07:35:46 PM  

Weaver95: you wait and see - our GOP shills will pretend this doesn't matter, and they'll openly mock the idea that anyone should be concerned with government surveillance. then they'll wave the flag and mention something about 'bootstraps'.

personally I think they're all nuts but there you go.


I'm just confused how some of you who care so much about it have just figured this out. The LMSI has been operating for like 6 years I think.
 
2012-08-12 07:43:25 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: you wait and see - our GOP shills will pretend this doesn't matter, and they'll openly mock the idea that anyone should be concerned with government surveillance. then they'll wave the flag and mention something about 'bootstraps'.

personally I think they're all nuts but there you go.

I'm just confused how some of you who care so much about it have just figured this out. The LMSI has been operating for like 6 years I think.


I was a hacker before I was anything else. I remember when operation sundevil went down...it was clear even then that the fedgov was going to track dissidents and go after then if they felt there was even an hint they were doing something unmutual. so the idea of government following citizens isn't even remotely new. abusing technology to do it isn't a new idea either for that matter - the FBI, secret service and the NSA have all kept current with the times and use all kinds of things to track subjects of interest to them.

the one thing we've got going for us is that fedgov agencies think in terms of their OWN agency and its goals and they don't play well with others. so if the FBI has data on a subject, they might not 1. know what they've actually got and 2. NOT share it with the NSA because hey - f*ck those guys. And near as I can tell nobody likes the Department of Homeland Security. they all thing DHS is one massive security leak waiting to happen.
 
2012-08-12 07:55:08 PM  
You mean that cameras are monitored? Whoopty freakin doo!
 
2012-08-12 07:55:53 PM  

Weaver95: they all thing DHS is one massive security leak waiting to happen.


Well, it is, and you should be happy that the NSA, CIA and FBI don't play nice. After all, you applaud inefficient government bureaucracies.
 
2012-08-12 07:59:49 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: they all thing DHS is one massive security leak waiting to happen.

Well, it is, and you should be happy that the NSA, CIA and FBI don't play nice. After all, you applaud inefficient government bureaucracies.


i'm glad they don't cooperate. as for efficiency I'm not so sure. the NSA can be frighteningly efficient at times. the FBI less so - I don't think they'll ever be technologically adept. they basically just hit you with a tire iron until they get the password to your laptop. sure, they're thugs..but they're very GOOD at being thugs.
 
2012-08-12 08:07:45 PM  

doglover: You mean that cameras are monitored? Whoopty freakin doo!


Its about WHO is doing the watching, not just that they are watching
 
2012-08-12 08:11:04 PM  

cman: doglover: You mean that cameras are monitored? Whoopty freakin doo!

Its about WHO is doing the watching, not just that they are watching


The goverment can get any video legally. Doing it extra legally or on the sly is just a small (read minutes) speed up from their original pace. Best thing to do, as usual, is assume Orwell and put on your public face or start a resitance movement.
 
2012-08-12 08:21:15 PM  

Weaver95: Party Boy: We're uncomfortably comfortable with surveillance.

This was not always so.

not only that, but some people become actively upset if we slack off and let people alone.


The horror.
 
2012-08-12 08:37:03 PM  
Am I the only one who read TrapWire as Trampire?
 
2012-08-12 08:40:08 PM  
I thought this was the point of facebook?
 
2012-08-12 08:41:15 PM  

fjnorton: It seems like this is all for the greater good so im ok with it.


i559.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 08:42:43 PM  

GAT_00: How is this a big surprising thing? Has nobody ever heard of the Lower Manhattan Security Initiative? That's been a thing for years. It's a bunch of police and private cameras in one network.


Plus, casinos have been using this for even longer. Back in the day, card cheats got away with it by going across the street--even when there were photos, they had to be copied and mailed to other casinos. Facial identification software let them find cheats, put up the photos and then they could be stopped across the street almost before they entered the building. Vegas PD uses it in conjunction with the big casinos, IIRC, because they're the ones who actually have to do the arresting.

You have no privacy in public, folks. Get used to it.
 
2012-08-12 08:43:02 PM  

Weaver95: start wearing masks maybe....


that's what she said.jpg
 
2012-08-12 08:43:18 PM  

Weaver95: i'm glad they don't cooperate.


I wonder what you would say if there was a foreign terrorist attack and it was an intelligence failure.
 
2012-08-12 08:44:51 PM  
Gyrfalcon: You have no privacy in public, folks. Get used to it.

Would you still feel the same way if it was a Republican as the president?
 
2012-08-12 08:45:17 PM  
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