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(WTKR)   The captain of the USS Porter ended his career in epic fashion in the Strait of Hormuz early this morning (pics)   (wtkr.com) divider line 251
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2012-08-12 01:03:49 PM
The collision was not combat related.
Wait, what, the war with Japan is over?
 
2012-08-12 01:17:04 PM
Strait. It's right there in the article you linked.
 
2012-08-12 01:17:04 PM
If the guy doesn't get canned, then you'll know that the "collision with a Japanese tanker" is a cover story.
 
2012-08-12 01:18:47 PM
If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night
 
2012-08-12 01:24:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night


You mean like lights or radar or some other type magic?
 
2012-08-12 01:27:23 PM

simplicimus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

You mean like lights or radar or some other type magic?


Precisely
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-12 01:35:59 PM
If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

I remember playing WW2 naval combat wargames ages ago there was a rule that Japanese could spot enemies better at night because they had better optics. (Not much U.S. radar early in the war.)
 
2012-08-12 02:01:01 PM
Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.
 
2012-08-12 02:05:45 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: simplicimus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

You mean like lights or radar or some other type magic?

Precisely


Nonsense, I read Tom Clancy. Radar only gives away your position, you never use it.
 
2012-08-12 02:33:12 PM

VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.


Doesn't really matter - the Navy will not look favorably at the captain for this since his crew was obviously:

a) drunk
b) blind
c) blind drunk
 
2012-08-12 02:42:15 PM

Lsherm: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

Doesn't really matter - the Navy will not look favorably at the captain for this since his crew was obviously:

a) drunk
b) blind
c) blind drunk


Oh hell no, His ass is toast. 1 am crash- pretty standard for drunk driving....
 
2012-08-12 02:45:15 PM

Lsherm: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

Doesn't really matter - the Navy will not look favorably at the captain for this since his crew was obviously:

a) drunk
b) blind
c) blind drunk


I'm pretty sure Naval personnel are not allowed to drink when at sea.
 
2012-08-12 02:59:58 PM
First the USS Cole gets it in a Suicide attack over there and then the USS Porter is in a collision...I suppose anything goes.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-12 03:01:40 PM
Morchella

It's not really fair to compare the two incidents. They're like night and day.
 
2012-08-12 03:33:00 PM
Doesn't really matter if it was the CO's fault, it was the CO's fault. The only way he gets out of it is if they've got video of the XO or the navigator holding a gun to the helmsman's head and saying, "Hit that farking oil tanker or I'm gonna spray your brains across the bulkhead."
 
2012-08-12 03:56:49 PM

Morchella: First the USS Cole gets it in a Suicide attack over there and then the USS Porter is in a collision...I suppose anything goes.


What you did there, I see it.
 
2012-08-12 04:05:05 PM

VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.


When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.
 
2012-08-12 04:07:02 PM

simplicimus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

You mean like lights or radar or some other type magic?


/thatsthejoke.jpeg
 
2012-08-12 04:07:38 PM

VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.


The commanding officer of a Navy ship at sea has a position and level of responsibility that the other branches do not. EVERYTHING is the CO's fault. Even if he wasn't driving at the time he was directly responsible for the training of whoever was. At some point in the past he had the chance to judge the character and ability of that OOD and say "Yeah, you're cool to drive" or "No farking way"

There is nothing the Navy won't blame you for if you wreck one of their ships. Whether it's the CO of the Indianapolis or the Pueblo they will find a way to slam dunk you one way or the other.
 
2012-08-12 04:08:07 PM
Israeli satnav to blame?
 
2012-08-12 04:08:34 PM

doyner: When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.


Especially that particular strait. This isn't the first time we've run into things or been ran into there.
 
2012-08-12 04:08:54 PM

incendi: Doesn't really matter if it was the CO's fault, it was the CO's fault. The only way he gets out of it is if they've got video of the XO or the navigator holding a gun to the helmsman's head and saying, "Hit that farking oil tanker or I'm gonna spray your brains across the bulkhead."


And then it's his fault because he didn't see the XO or navigator's craziness to begin with and stifle it early.

/everything is the CO's fault
 
2012-08-12 04:10:27 PM

devildog123: /everything is the CO's fault


As it has to be.
 
2012-08-12 04:10:30 PM
Did the Porter hit the tanker, or did the tanker hit the Porter? The article isn't very clear, and it's more likely that the tanker was the one that hit the smaller ship.
 
2012-08-12 04:10:56 PM
It's now clear to me why this accident happened. The oil tanker was painted black:

www.jseinc.org
 
2012-08-12 04:11:30 PM

ZAZ: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

I remember playing WW2 naval combat wargames ages ago there was a rule that Japanese could spot enemies better at night because they had better optics. (Not much U.S. radar early in the war.)


Huh, you'd think they wouldn't be able to see as well.
 
2012-08-12 04:11:53 PM

doyner: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.


Well, it did say near the Strait of Hormuz. If they were conducting normal patrol duties in open water there's a chance the captain was in his rack. Which sucks even more so....hell of a way to end your career...spanking the monkey.
 
2012-08-12 04:12:05 PM
I would guess that the entire on duty OS division will be reamed royally. NEVER trust the computers and always check your CPA's manually by MoBoard.
 
2012-08-12 04:12:28 PM
That's for Hiroshima!
 
2012-08-12 04:12:34 PM

Gyrfalcon: The article isn't very clear, and it's more likely that the tanker was the one that hit the smaller ship.


It really doesn't matter. A collision occurred. There's no almost amount of gross negligence on the part of either party that would absolve the other of responsibility.
 
2012-08-12 04:13:22 PM

walkerhound: ZAZ: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

I remember playing WW2 naval combat wargames ages ago there was a rule that Japanese could spot enemies better at night because they had better optics. (Not much U.S. radar early in the war.)

Huh, you'd think they wouldn't be able to see as well.


They had better binoculars with much larger light-collecting lenses.

Plus, they ate their carrots.
 
2012-08-12 04:13:41 PM

simplicimus: I'm pretty sure Naval personnel are not allowed to drink when at sea.


Maybe not in your navy, but until 1970 the Royal Navy was quite happy with it
 
2012-08-12 04:14:10 PM

Morchella: First the USS Cole gets it in a Suicide attack over there and then the USS Porter is in a collision...I suppose anything goes.


How could this happen in the still of the night?
 
2012-08-12 04:14:11 PM
Sadly, judging by the collision point, the PORTER probably had right-of-way.
 
2012-08-12 04:14:24 PM

doyner: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.


Or, more likely in this case, in CIC.
 
2012-08-12 04:14:29 PM

devildog123: i
/everything is the CO's fault


That's why the captain usually goes down with the ship. If you lose your helmet or any other piece of issued equipment in the military, it comes out of your check. Do you know what one of those destroyers costs?
 
2012-08-12 04:14:48 PM

Warthog: It's now clear to me why this accident happened. The oil tanker was painted black:

[www.jseinc.org image 512x256]


I see a tanker and I want to paint it black. No colors anymore, I want it to turn black.
 
2012-08-12 04:15:23 PM

doyner: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.


Perhaps in a "straight", but that rule doesn't apply in a Strait.
 
2012-08-12 04:15:37 PM

skodabunny: simplicimus: I'm pretty sure Naval personnel are not allowed to drink when at sea.

Maybe not in your navy, but until 1970 the Royal Navy was quite happy with it


I don't think they're entirely dry even now.
 
2012-08-12 04:16:24 PM

simplicimus: The collision was not combat related.
Wait, what, the war with Japan is over?


Today is VJ Day.

They will NEVER forget!!!!!
 
2012-08-12 04:16:29 PM

ZAZ: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

I remember playing WW2 naval combat wargames ages ago there was a rule that Japanese could spot enemies better at night because they had better optics. (Not much U.S. radar early in the war.)


Not so much that there wasn't much but it was not well used and not trusted.
 
2012-08-12 04:16:37 PM

simplicimus: I'm pretty sure Naval personnel are not allowed to drink when at sea.


And criminals aren't allowed to have guns.

What's your point?
 
2012-08-12 04:16:44 PM

BummerDuck: doyner: VIDEOWALLART: Now, of course the Captain doesn't drive the boat but what a colossal screw up.

When a navy ship is transiting a straight, the captain had better damned well be on the bridge. They almost ALWAYS are.

Perhaps in a "straight", but that rule doesn't apply in a Strait.


f'ing autocorrect... Yeah.
 
2012-08-12 04:17:07 PM

walkerhound: ZAZ: If only there were some sort of technology that would enable ships to "see" each other at night

I remember playing WW2 naval combat wargames ages ago there was a rule that Japanese could spot enemies better at night because they had better optics. (Not much U.S. radar early in the war.)

Huh, you'd think they wouldn't be able to see as well.


i101.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 04:17:33 PM

Warthog: It's now clear to me why this accident happened. The oil tanker was painted black:

[www.jseinc.org image 512x256]


That's racist!!!
 
2012-08-12 04:18:18 PM

devildog123:
/everything is the CO's fault


So because there was an oil tanker involved, we can blame the CO for the next raise in gasoline prices?
 
2012-08-12 04:18:55 PM
A US Navy ship named Porter involved in a colossal screw up? Nothing new here.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19637_ the-5-craziest-war-stories-all-h a ppened-same-ship.html
 
2012-08-12 04:19:16 PM
(And before anyone freaks, I know today isn't the actual VJ Day, but today is when my little podunk town has a parade for it, so today is VJ Day.)
 
2012-08-12 04:19:21 PM

Driver: devildog123:
/everything is the CO's fault

So because there was an oil tanker involved, we can blame the CO for the next raise in gasoline prices?


Please. Gimme a farking break. It's Obama's fault. It always has been, it always will be.
 
2012-08-12 04:19:40 PM

Witchyman: Warthog: It's now clear to me why this accident happened. The oil tanker was painted black:

[www.jseinc.org image 512x256]

That's racist!!!


No, it's not.

(Racist would be if I concluded my post with "So of course it got hit. Just like Trayvon Martin.")
 
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