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(ABC)   Recalling all cars, recalling all cars: if you're a cop outfitted with a Chevy Impala you might want to reconsider any high speed chases right now   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 49
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2012-08-12 03:46:00 PM  
Made in Canada, eh.
 
2012-08-12 03:46:11 PM  
So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments celebrating the potential death of cops.

I'm guessing the post under this one.
 
2012-08-12 03:48:37 PM  
My brother-in-law used to be a police department mechanic, and he always told me the Impalas weren't as good as the Crown Vics. He said they just weren't heavy duty enough for the punishment that cops would administer to them in the course of things like high speed chases and responding to emergencies.
 
2012-08-12 03:50:40 PM  
So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments claiming Obama's bailout of GM led them to make inferior products

I'm guessing a post under this one.
 
2012-08-12 03:54:04 PM  
That kinda shiat happens when you name a car "impale-ya"

/Vlad approved
 
2012-08-12 03:55:32 PM  
chicagoist.com
Disappointed.
 
2012-08-12 03:55:33 PM  
If we forced these on the departments we could eliminate a couple of problems at once.
 
2012-08-12 03:56:50 PM  

BronyMedic: So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments celebrating the potential death of cops.

I'm guessing the post under this one.


5 below you. Close.
 
2012-08-12 03:58:00 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-12 03:58:59 PM  
We just got a 2011 LT model. Really don't want to see any police officers hurt or worse if it broke, but glad that it is just the police models and not the civilian models.
 
2012-08-12 04:01:33 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: [chicagoist.com image 565x334]
Disappointed.


Looking for this too. Fun when the worst that would happen is the car throwing a rod.
 
2012-08-12 04:01:34 PM  
It's funny because back in the early 90's I worked at GM (Delco Products) as an engineering intern in the ball joint/control arms department. I'm guessing GM outsources most of its design work to India or China now. That's one of those things that truly abides by the maxim "You get what you pay for".

/ Recalls: Now that's the GM we all know, love, and remember.
 
2012-08-12 04:03:32 PM  

coffee smells good: Made in Canada, eh.


"All the cars were built assembled at GM's factory in Oshawa, Ontario from parts made in North America and Asia."

/ And the best built cars in America are still Toyotas.
 
2012-08-12 04:03:48 PM  
As long as they don't hurt anyone but themselves who gives a shiat, 9 out of 10 cops are white devils anyways?

I just had a BLT for lunch.
 
2012-08-12 04:11:35 PM  
That's a shame.

So glad I bought this 2012 Charger Pursuit, then.
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/but I never even considered the Impala, or the Caprice PPV
 
2012-08-12 04:15:40 PM  
Our city police got new Impalas late last year,early this year. So,a cut back on patrols and response time
as repairs are made leads to one conclussion.I can start a one man crime spree.Read about it on FARK.
 
2012-08-12 04:22:00 PM  

Badgers: [vladtheimpala.jpg]


Shakes tiny fist.
 
2012-08-12 04:22:56 PM  
So you'll scream and you'll holla if you ride around in one of those?

/You're slipping, Fark
//I for sure thought some Beastie Boys fan would catch the reference
///I can't hear "Chevy Impala" without immediately thinking So What'cha Want
 
9mm
2012-08-12 04:33:23 PM  
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Shouldn't of done away with this one. One of the greatest American cars ever made.
 
2012-08-12 04:49:03 PM  
Bring back the RWD 80's Caprice/Impala!

and the Dodge Diplomat/Plymouth Fury.

and the slant 6


/hates the american motor company philosophy of "if it works, ditch it"
 
2012-08-12 04:51:17 PM  
mmm Government Motors.
 
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2012-08-12 04:55:58 PM  
the $560 million GM marketing campaign with the Manchester United soccer club will help..........right?

help who you ask?
why the Glazers of course,.... thats who
 
2012-08-12 04:57:38 PM  
It's stupid to still be buying a standard vehicle and then modifying it. The fire department doesn't go out and buy a UHaul truck and then start drilling holes in it and adding lights etc. They buy a farking fire truck.

This company has started building police cars in their factory. Lights etc. all included. Looks pretty interesting.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-08-12 05:02:46 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments claiming Obama's bailout of GM led them to make inferior products

I'm guessing a post under this one.


BronyMedic: So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments celebrating the potential death of cops.

I'm guessing the post under this one.


Lets make this a double threat!

So, what's the over-under on how long until we get the comments that Obama hates the police and wants to see them killed in inferior Government Motors cars.

I'm guessing the post under this one.
 
2012-08-12 05:08:48 PM  
Just like a week ago, someone disputed my statement that police vehicles have different parts. HA.
 
2012-08-12 05:09:31 PM  
*By someone I mean, a Farker.
 
2012-08-12 05:12:24 PM  
And you can just bet that the part in question - the MBA's got to it and substituted something less expensive so they could maximize profit on the cars. Now they have to pay the piper!
 
2012-08-12 05:16:06 PM  
ladyfortuna: Just like a week ago, someone disputed my statement that police vehicles have different parts. HA.

Nah, that's just a lie the car companies use to sell "police package" vehicles to the Government at higher costs!

/facepalm.
 
2012-08-12 05:21:29 PM  

ladyfortuna: Just like a week ago, someone disputed my statement that police vehicles have different parts. HA.


Only suspension, electronics, and cooling...

All just to handle the extra crap they have to put on or in.

,
 
2012-08-12 05:26:32 PM  

baka-san: ladyfortuna: Just like a week ago, someone disputed my statement that police vehicles have different parts. HA.

Only suspension, electronics, and cooling...

All just to handle the extra crap they have to put on or in.



I sold/delivered car parts for a while, suspension alone can jack the costs up quite a bit. Ball joints and sway bars are not cheap at the high end. (Plus all the other little things, but I have thankfully forgotten more about that job than I care to think about).
 
2012-08-12 05:33:37 PM  

baka-san: ladyfortuna: Just like a week ago, someone disputed my statement that police vehicles have different parts. HA.

Only suspension, electronics, and cooling...


And driveshaft, transmission, engine parts, and some body panels...
The Ford Police Interceptor, like the one we just sold after driving it to Alaska, had so many parts changed from the Crown Victoria that it wasn't even called a Crown Victoria, but a separate model, the P71.

Similarly, the Dodge Charger Pursuit we just bought is its own model, designation LDDE48. When I called our insurance company and gave them the VIN, they said, "Uh, we may have typed in the wrong numbers, because this comes back as a Charger Police."
You should see the brakes on this thing... the rotors, especially in the back, are bigger than the SRT.
 
2012-08-12 05:39:06 PM  
As someone who owns a former cop Impala, I had to double check those dates.

/mine is not effected
 
2012-08-12 05:41:18 PM  

Silly Jesus: It's stupid to still be buying a standard vehicle and then modifying it. The fire department doesn't go out and buy a UHaul truck and then start drilling holes in it and adding lights etc. They buy a farking fire truck.


It's a very small reminder (and one of the last few around) that the police are still just regular people.

Most of the police models of moderns car are ready for service, they have special inserts, pre-drilled holes, wiring, etc. They are purpose built cars.

They're closer to the way ambulances are really just customized vans and medium duty trucks.
 
2012-08-12 05:48:03 PM  

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: It's stupid to still be buying a standard vehicle and then modifying it. The fire department doesn't go out and buy a UHaul truck and then start drilling holes in it and adding lights etc. They buy a farking fire truck.

It's a very small reminder (and one of the last few around) that the police are still just regular people.

Most of the police models of moderns car are ready for service, they have special inserts, pre-drilled holes, wiring, etc. They are purpose built cars.

They're closer to the way ambulances are really just customized vans and medium duty trucks.


That's different from my knowledge. They show up on my buddies car lot with the 'police package' which is basically just different brakes and shocks etc. When they are sold to a department, the department sends them off to a specialty "garage" that drills all of the holes and installs all of the wiring and lights and sirens etc. Basically, as it arrives on the lot it's simply modified to be more heavy duty and anyone can and does (see guy above who bought one for some reason) buy them. I'm sure his didn't have holes everywhere and wires hanging out.

The Carbon Motors concept makes a heck of a lot more sense. Everything is built from the beginning with it's use as a cop car in mind. The Impala was designed as a family vehicle and then police departments decided to start drilling holes in it and putting light bars on it.
 
2012-08-12 05:48:07 PM  
A better question is why do the police need to engage in high speed chases?

It's routine for police, newscasters, cop supporters, etc. to comment on the futility of running from the police due to radios, helicopters, etc.

Somewhat cliched statements like "You can't outrun the radio" or the more dated "No one is faster then a Motorola" get thrown around a lot.

Aside from the lack of necessity of high speed chases, it's worth questioning why so many police forces feel the need for V8 R/T chargers, when the larger V6 (3.5L, I wouldn't have wished 2.7L on my worst enemy) should be enough and might save a little gas and insurance premiums. I had the same questions about their need for V8 explorers when the SOHC V6 should have been plenty powerful. Then again, I've seen a few empty Excursions being driven solo by Las Vegas Metro PD, so the answer is probably "fark you, that's why."
 
2012-08-12 05:51:04 PM  

Silly Jesus: That's different from my knowledge. They show up on my buddies car lot with the 'police package' which is basically just different brakes and shocks etc. When they are sold to a department, the department sends them off to a specialty "garage" that drills all of the holes and installs all of the wiring and lights and sirens etc. Basically, as it arrives on the lot it's simply modified to be more heavy duty and anyone can and does (see guy above who bought one for some reason) buy them. I'm sure his didn't have holes everywhere and wires hanging out.


I was basing that on the last few years' web specs sheets for cars like the Ford Police Pursuit vehicle and the Imapala counterparts.

They claimed to have seat inserts, plastic rear seating, special seat belt things, various tweaks to the engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, etc., special purpose wiring to the trunk etc, .

It could be that these are the more expensive police models and there is a stripped down version, OR I misread about how they're supposed to be equipped.
 
2012-08-12 05:53:41 PM  

pedrop357: A better question is why do the police need to engage in high speed chases?

I think that they happen for too many things, but there are instances where they make sense and are worth the risks.

It's routine for police, newscasters, cop supporters, etc. to comment on the futility of running from the police due to radios, helicopters, etc.

Somewhat cliched statements like "You can't outrun the radio" or the more dated "No one is faster then a Motorola" get thrown around a lot.

True, but if the guy is an immediate threat, keeping an eye on him from a helicopter won't do much good.


Aside from the lack of necessity of high speed chases, it's worth questioning why so many police forces feel the need for V8 R/T chargers, when the larger V6 (3.5L, I wouldn't have wished 2.7L on my worst enemy) should be enough and might save a little gas and insurance premiums. I had the same questions about their need for V8 explorers when the SOHC V6 should have been plenty powerful. Then again, I've seen a few empty Excursions being driven solo by Las Vegas Metro PD, so the answer is probably "fark you, that's why."

My town has some gas guzzlers too. Some of the reason is that certain vehicles get put on a purchasing list and are cheaper for departments to purchase in bulk. I know of a state agency that purchased relatively inefficient trucks one year because that's who the state had a contract with. The next year the contract changed to include cars and they purchased those. Things are not always what they seem on the surface, as in your "fark you, that's why" conclusion.

 
2012-08-12 05:55:29 PM  

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: That's different from my knowledge. They show up on my buddies car lot with the 'police package' which is basically just different brakes and shocks etc. When they are sold to a department, the department sends them off to a specialty "garage" that drills all of the holes and installs all of the wiring and lights and sirens etc. Basically, as it arrives on the lot it's simply modified to be more heavy duty and anyone can and does (see guy above who bought one for some reason) buy them. I'm sure his didn't have holes everywhere and wires hanging out.

I was basing that on the last few years' web specs sheets for cars like the Ford Police Pursuit vehicle and the Imapala counterparts.

They claimed to have seat inserts, plastic rear seating, special seat belt things, various tweaks to the engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, etc., special purpose wiring to the trunk etc, .

It could be that these are the more expensive police models and there is a stripped down version, OR I misread about how they're supposed to be equipped.


We're probably both correct, just different experiences. I've been in the ones on my buddies lot, and he sells to a huge metropolitan police department, and you couldn't tell the difference between it and the family sedans unless you read the sheet on the window.
 
2012-08-12 06:14:29 PM  

Silly Jesus: pedrop357: Silly Jesus:
Basically, as it arrives on the lot it's simply modified to be more heavy duty and anyone can and does (see guy above who bought one for some reason) buy them.


Um, Dodge doesn't sell them to anyone except fleet buyers. My company had to open a Chrysler Fleet account before the dealership could even place the order. Opening a Fleet account requires that the business prove it owns five brand new vehicles and/or 15 vehicles total. You can try to buy one, but you won't get a brand new one unless it's an unsold leftover already on a dealer's lot and the dealer is willing to violate their contract with Chrysler.

I'm sure his didn't have holes everywhere and wires hanging out.

Actually, it did...

The most noticeable thing was the missing center console (it has a column shift, unlike any other Charger). The vestigal console was just enough plastic to cover wiring, which left a square foot of body-colored metal -- with threaded holes -- in the middle of the interior, held down by a threaded stud sticking up two inches through a slot in the plastic.
When I took out the scrap of plastic to install an aftermarket center console (thus covering most, but not all, of the bare metal), I found quite a bit of special police wiring. The car has entirely different wiring harnesses with special connectors wired in for aftermarket upfitters, and it was very much in evidence in the center console area for radios and computers.

Most factory Pursuits are ordered with additional wiring harnesses, which involve... wait for it... more holes with wires hanging out. Since my business doesn't need police lighting, I saved a few grand by not ordering one of those packages.

Even the seats are different. The front seats have the side bolsters cut out for guns on officers' belts (which actually does help me, since I carry) and the back seats are police-only versions that don't fold down.

The 2001 Ford Police Interceptor we owned before this, similarly, had thousands of different parts. Even the driveshaft was police-only; it was a bit longer and the transmission had a shorter tailshaft housing, so neither item would fit in a non-police model. The P71's were also the only models without rear air suspension, with power steering coolers, air-to-fluid transmission coolers...
 
2012-08-12 06:20:34 PM  

9mm: Shouldn't of done away with this one. One of the greatest American cars ever made.


It got obsolete, time does march on. Sadly, the ranks of v8 sedans grows smaller.
 
2012-08-12 06:56:24 PM  
That's what you get for trusting a part made in China to be made from the material you spec'd.
 
2012-08-12 07:12:55 PM  
Is it time for the post wondering about if a cop will use this recall to excuse that time they crashed the cop car while doing a u-turn through the ditch to catch that speeder heading the other way? Or was it just a distraction near the end of a long shift and then crash by no fault of the wrecked car?

/There was cop a few years back, in a Zodiac by himself(against department policy) on Okanagan lake BC, who drowned.
//Suicide or accident, we shall not be allowed to know.
///But the cops blamed Zodiac for an imaginary defect(engine steering linkage?) and shouted loudly to stop using the boats, then Zodiacs lawyers shot back across the cops bows and clarified the cops misrepresentation.
////Admit your mistakes, instead of blaming someone else, as that is the path to salvation from people calling you a B.S. for everything you say and do.
//Yea I don't give a f*ck from whom the B.S. spews out of, whether a cop or civilian.
 
2012-08-12 07:16:33 PM  
Link's not loading for me.

As far as cop hate/cheap car cracks... too bad there isn't a way to place the worst cops in the worst cars, and let those legalized crooks getting what they deserve.

(Personally, I know not all cops are power-mad assholes, just never really meet the ones that aren't.)
 
2012-08-12 07:25:50 PM  

Kurmudgeon: 9mm: Shouldn't of done away with this one. One of the greatest American cars ever made.

It got obsolete, time does march on. Sadly, the ranks of v8 sedans grows smaller.


Also, the entire assembly line was pretty much worn out.

Car manufacturers create a "platform" for a new model, which many imagine to be the suspension design... but it's actually the stamped floorplan and basic sheetmetal design. Then, they invest millions of dollars in custom-made dies and tools to create the steel stampings.
Over the years, they tweak and modify the platform to make new models and improve existing ones, but they are still using the same basic tooling to create the shell of the car.

The equipment at the Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor plant in Ontario was worn out. To keep making the car, they would have had to replace it anyway. (They also would have had to modify the design for a newer engine, since they were pretty much done making that two-valve 4.6-liter V8).
Too much money.

However, I strongly disagree with Ford's decision not to replace the car with a new RWD V8 design, with independent suspension and the Boss 302 motor. They surrendered most of the police market. I've seen many Dodge Charger Pursuits (in addition to my own), and I'm also seeing Chevy Caprice PPV's on patrol here in Delaware, but I've seen exactly one of the Taurus-based "Police Interceptor" models (I will always enclose that model's name in quotes, having owned a real Police Interceptor): it was an unmarked car with NY tags crusing down I-95 here. This is as big a mistake as Chevy dropping the original Caprice.
 
2012-08-12 07:46:48 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: That's what you get for trusting a part made in China to be made from the material you spec'd.


Or Mexico. Quicker, and cheaper, not better.
 
2012-08-12 09:12:17 PM  
"Prowler needs a jump."
 
2012-08-12 10:59:11 PM  

Deep Contact: Captain_Ballbeard: That's what you get for trusting a part made in China to be made from the material you spec'd.

Or Mexico. Quicker, and cheaper, not better.


This... The place I used to work for has the initials C Q but they're international, and I know a lot of those 'budget' parts are made on the cheap in 3rd world countries.
 
2012-08-13 12:05:36 AM  

My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: Kurmudgeon: 9mm: Shouldn't of done away with this one. One of the greatest American cars ever made.

It got obsolete, time does march on. Sadly, the ranks of v8 sedans grows smaller.

Also, the entire assembly line was pretty much worn out.

Car manufacturers create a "platform" for a new model, which many imagine to be the suspension design... but it's actually the stamped floorplan and basic sheetmetal design. Then, they invest millions of dollars in custom-made dies and tools to create the steel stampings.
Over the years, they tweak and modify the platform to make new models and improve existing ones, but they are still using the same basic tooling to create the shell of the car.

The equipment at the Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor plant in Ontario was worn out. To keep making the car, they would have had to replace it anyway. (They also would have had to modify the design for a newer engine, since they were pretty much done making that two-valve 4.6-liter V8).
Too much money.

However, I strongly disagree with Ford's decision not to replace the car with a new RWD V8 design, with independent suspension and the Boss 302 motor. They surrendered most of the police market. I've seen many Dodge Charger Pursuits (in addition to my own), and I'm also seeing Chevy Caprice PPV's on patrol here in Delaware, but I've seen exactly one of the Taurus-based "Police Interceptor" models (I will always enclose that model's name in quotes, having owned a real Police Interceptor): it was an unmarked car with NY tags crusing down I-95 here. This is as big a mistake as Chevy dropping the original Caprice.


I can't imagine why an AWD Tarus SHO based interceptor wouldn't work, WAY more power than the old V8 made and put to better use with an AWD trasmission.
 
2012-08-13 12:24:38 AM  

BayouBeltwayBandit: My brother-in-law used to be a police department mechanic, and he always told me the Impalas weren't as good as the Crown Vics. He said they just weren't heavy duty enough for the punishment that cops would administer to them in the course of things like high speed chases and responding to emergencies.


Correct. The police package Crown Vic was designed to absorb a 55mph stationary rear end crash with minimal impact to occupants.

Which is why this .... is what cops lust for. The Taurus SHO police package coming soon, or already out in some instances.

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