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(FanNation)   If you thought Jerry Sandusky's conviction, Joe Paterno's death, and NCAA sanctions were the end of the Penn State scandal, you're wrong. It's about to get *much* uglier   (fannation.com) divider line 89
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2012-08-12 02:52:31 PM
5 votes:
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2012-08-12 05:33:37 PM
4 votes:
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2012-08-12 03:07:36 PM
4 votes:

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: the prevailing theme has been about how this is so totally unfair to the school, Joe Paterno and his legacy, and the students currently there.


Or put another way, when they heard what was going on and that Paterno was being fired instead being angry at Paterno and what happened under his watch, they decided to riot.
2012-08-12 01:17:04 PM
4 votes:
Did anyone think this was isolated? Seriously?

The University Administration was involved in the cover-up. It's not at all surprising to learn that boosters are also involved in the crimes. I'd be very unsurprised current employees of Penn State, past employees, coaches and any number of other folks associated with Penn State had to do with this.

Just like the Catholics - it's not only the rape, it's the aiding and abetting. It's the culture that accepts this and covers for the perpetrators.

Farking disgusting. And unfortunately, there are many, many entities that operate the same way. Churches, Universities, Foundations... any group that has opportunity and a financial reason to want to keep crimes hidden.
2012-08-12 12:53:42 PM
4 votes:
I called this the instant I heard about the boy in the shower.
2012-08-12 02:29:03 PM
3 votes:

jaylectricity: So many times I have this conversation with people and they accuse me of being jealous of the success of Penn State football.


These are the same people who are confused and upset that Penn State football is being punished for the actions of Penn State football and the cult around it. You can't talk to them like adults.
2012-08-12 02:14:05 PM
3 votes:

Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.


The football program needed the death penalty for a reason. The culture of "football first" needed to go away, badly. Now we have players and students acting like THEY are the victims in all of this.

Oh, but I guess it's ok, because the players are going to wear armbands, which totally makes everything better and in no way reinforces the idea that football is the lens through which to view all life.
2012-08-12 02:08:57 PM
3 votes:
TheDumbBlonde: Since when did Penn State become an Ivy?

They might not technically be an Ivy, but farking the innocent with a little help from a few well placed friends and then acting self righteous about it when they get caught is about as Ivy league as you can get.
2012-08-12 02:01:44 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.


The school's administration covered up the rape of children. Not the students, not the Organic Chemistry TA, but the school. As in, the administration, higher-ups, powers-that-be. I don't believe I've seen anyone accuse the students of being in on anything, or contributing to anything, or helping cover anything up. That said, when an institution farks up, the institution takes the hit. If some of these whiny assfarks had a modicum of self-awareness, they'd realize they personally aren't being victimized by any of this. Suzie Q who is getting a degree in Political Science isn't affected by this one iota. Her degree, her scholarship if she has one, her collegiate life....none of it is being ruined by the NCAA telling her school YOU CAN'T COVER UP THE RAPE OF CHILDREN AND THINK YOU'LL GET AWAY WITH IT.
2012-08-12 09:07:19 PM
2 votes:
is GAT_00 the ontariolightning of college football?
2012-08-12 08:32:45 PM
2 votes:
And thousands of idiots with advanced degrees will still defend PSU and their SPORTS PROGRAM to their death. When did we lose our minds? Because this is clearly the sign that confirms that.
2012-08-12 08:22:48 PM
2 votes:

Krumet: Triumph: If the pedo ring reaches into people of real power, it will go the way of the Franklin Scandal and you won't hear anything. The Second Mile has already been quietly shut down without public exposure of its inner workings...

I and others have mentioned this, and it bears repeating (thanks). It is worth your time to read about this linked Franklin scandal. See how people who try to unmask these monsters are treated (if they're lucky, they are allowed to live). And you can bet that the worse the whistle blowers are treated, the more important and rich the hidden criminals are. Don't forget that DA who was investigating the case who disappeared without a trace.


And don't forget the best part so far - the disgraced former president of Penn State now has a federal government job so secret they can't tell us what it is. But no, there's no coverup going on.
2012-08-12 05:24:33 PM
2 votes:

bulldg4life: AliceBToklasLives: Kurmudgeon: Wookie Milson: Wow. Staggering levels of ignorance.

Yep, call names and ignore the main gist of things.
I'm just some schmuck on a message board, do you think the FBI and other folks of authority are ignoring that connection?
It is what it is. you calling me names won't change one thing.
Staggering levels of hypocrisy is more like it. If what I say bothers you personally, maybe you should look a little closer at who commits this kind of behavior at Penn State and Catholic Churches.
It's been going on for too long, people are getting fed up.

For the sake of argument, I grant everything you say. So what's your point? Should we track all homosexuals with ankle bracelets? Just keep a close eye on them? Or do I not follow you?

We're not mentioning pedophilia and homosexuality together enough.

Just mention it together do they can be linked.


Because we always refer to rape committed against women as "heterosexual rape"
2012-08-12 05:21:35 PM
2 votes:

bulldg4life: AliceBToklasLives: Kurmudgeon: Wookie Milson: Wow. Staggering levels of ignorance.

Yep, call names and ignore the main gist of things.
I'm just some schmuck on a message board, do you think the FBI and other folks of authority are ignoring that connection?
It is what it is. you calling me names won't change one thing.
Staggering levels of hypocrisy is more like it. If what I say bothers you personally, maybe you should look a little closer at who commits this kind of behavior at Penn State and Catholic Churches.
It's been going on for too long, people are getting fed up.

For the sake of argument, I grant everything you say. So what's your point? Should we track all homosexuals with ankle bracelets? Just keep a close eye on them? Or do I not follow you?

We're not mentioning pedophilia and homosexuality together enough.

Just mention it together do they can be linked.


And you're just as dopey as the other dude in the thread.

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2012-08-12 05:06:27 PM
2 votes:

jst3p: FloydA: While we're on the subject, being angry about priests molesting kids also doesn't count as "bashing the Catholics." There are millions of Catholics worldwide, and only a few priests molested kids.

You and I have a vastly different definition of "few".


Since I do not hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of the 9/11 criminals, it is only fair that I do not hold all Catholics responsible for the child molesting priests. However many priests were involved, they compose a microscopic proportion of Catholics, and it is simply inappropriate and illogical to hold all Catholics responsible for their actions.
2012-08-12 04:32:31 PM
2 votes:

FloydA: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: Just like the Catholics homosexuals- it's not only the rape, it's the aiding and abetting. It's the culture that accepts this and covers for the perpetrators.

If the perp and the victims are the same gender, then it's homosexual pedophilia. Remember that while bashing the Catholics.
You think any of those criminals would act different elsewhere?
Or you can just ignore that part of the problem and wonder why it continues.
Why is it an adult man finds a male child appealing?
If you're not going to let them hide behind Catholicism, don't let them hide behind homosexuality either.
/not Catholic


Homosexuality refers to an adult who is attracted to another adult of the same sex. Child molesters are not "homosexuals," they are child molesters. Children are not capable of offering informed consent for sexual activity, adults are.

Please do not conflate adults with children, they are not the same thing.


While we're on the subject, being angry about priests molesting kids also doesn't count as "bashing the Catholics." There are millions of Catholics worldwide, and only a few priests molested kids. When you accuse those who are angry at the child molesters of "bashing Catholics," you are implying that all Catholics are child molesters. That simply is not true, and I would appreciate it if you refrain from making that implication again.


My parents are Catholic, so not only do they get to hear the whole "you rape kids!" thing, they also get the "you're not really Christians!" thing from the hardcore Baptists and Evangelicals around here. So yeah, refraining from painting all Catholics with the "child molester" tag would be a good move.
2012-08-12 04:27:03 PM
2 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: Just like the Catholics homosexuals- it's not only the rape, it's the aiding and abetting. It's the culture that accepts this and covers for the perpetrators.

If the perp and the victims are the same gender, then it's homosexual pedophilia. Remember that while bashing the Catholics.
You think any of those criminals would act different elsewhere?
Or you can just ignore that part of the problem and wonder why it continues.
Why is it an adult man finds a male child appealing?
If you're not going to let them hide behind Catholicism, don't let them hide behind homosexuality either.
/not Catholic



Homosexuality refers to an adult who is attracted to another adult of the same sex. Child molesters are not "homosexuals," they are child molesters. Children are not capable of offering informed consent for sexual activity, adults are.

Please do not conflate adults with children, they are not the same thing.


While we're on the subject, being angry about priests molesting kids also doesn't count as "bashing the Catholics." There are millions of Catholics worldwide, and only a few priests molested kids. When you accuse those who are angry at the child molesters of "bashing Catholics," you are implying that all Catholics are child molesters. That simply is not true, and I would appreciate it if you refrain from making that implication again.
2012-08-12 04:26:30 PM
2 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: Just like the Catholics homosexuals- it's not only the rape, it's the aiding and abetting. It's the culture that accepts this and covers for the perpetrators.

If the perp and the victims are the same gender, then it's homosexual pedophilia. Remember that while bashing the Catholics.
You think any of those criminals would act different elsewhere?
Or you can just ignore that part of the problem and wonder why it continues.
Why is it an adult man finds a male child appealing?
If you're not going to let them hide behind Catholicism, don't let them hide behind homosexuality either.
/not Catholic


This is the stupidest farking thing I've ever read. If a man molests both boys and girls, does that make him a bisexual? No, it makes him a child molester. Homosexuals are attracted to adults of the same gender.....not children. If you like to assfark little boys, you're not gay. If you like to assfark grown men, you are. Hope that clarified it for you.
2012-08-12 04:11:51 PM
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Coco LaFemme: or contributing to anything,

Well there was that riot when Paterno was fired. And a few students may have had a hand in hounding the first victim to come forward so bad he's in witness protection.


You hit it on the head. Both of those stories were nauseating. Had to go hug my dog after reading them.
2012-08-12 03:10:20 PM
2 votes:

dragonchild: He acted like the University needed his permission to fire him.


He didn't just act like the University needed his permission, when the AD tried to fire a few years back basically told the AD he couldn't fire him.
2012-08-12 03:00:35 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Confabulat: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

You know why? Institutionalized child rape.

People don't like that.

Which I understand, but as I keep having to say, the university didn't rape anyone. One guy is known to have done it, and if this FBI thing goes anywhere, maybe a few more. And what's so hard about blaming the people who actually committed the crime?


I really hope you're trolling. Otherwise, read both grand jury reports and the Freeh report. You will sound so less stupid.
2012-08-12 02:58:34 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Which I understand, but as I keep having to say, the university didn't rape anyone. One guy is known to have done it, and if this FBI thing goes anywhere, maybe a few more. And what's so hard about blaming the people who actually committed the crime?


The public might be singing a different tune had the PSU "community", if you will, reacted with a little more vigor in regards to demanding the full story and with perhaps less vigor in trying to protect the sanctity of the football program.

It might not be fair to lump in every State College resident with the 19 year olds flipping over news trucks when Paterno got fired, but all in all, they created the perception that they care most about football on their own.
2012-08-12 02:49:37 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Confabulat: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

You know why? Institutionalized child rape.

People don't like that.

Which I understand, but as I keep having to say, the university didn't rape anyone. One guy is known to have done it, and if this FBI thing goes anywhere, maybe a few more. And what's so hard about blaming the people who actually committed the crime?



Sandusky committed the rapes.

The administration committed the cover up.

Some of the students and alumni created the climate of cult-like following of the football team that inspired the administrators to engage in the cover up. If the administration had been less worried about tarnishing the team's reputation, they would have busted Sandusky much earlier and not tried to sweep it under the rug.

Nobody is blaming you, personally, but you have to admit that a lot of farked up things went on. When any institution is treated as though it cannot be questioned, abuses of authority are bound to happen.
2012-08-12 02:36:58 PM
2 votes:
GAT_00: Want to show me where Harvard had something like this happen to match your false equivalence?


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corrupt and uppity about it, like Penn State

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This place is actually worse than Penn State could ever hope to be. They teach all incoming Congressmen how to act.
Even the most honest souls are corrupted by their peculiar version of ethics.
2012-08-12 02:33:17 PM
2 votes:

Confabulat: You know why? Institutionalized child rape.

People don't like that.


Careful now. A response like that will trigger some replies about calling us part of a "lynch mob" because we're nothing but mongoloids carrying pitchforks and blinded by anger. Clearly, we're all subhumans for not looking at institutionalized child rape with a nuanced flair as if it's something you should be able to discuss openly without rushing to judgement while twirling your moustache and sipping espresso with your friend Pierre as if topically, it carries the same weight as discussing your favorite impressionist painters or baroque composers.

I don't even know how to express my shame that I actually have an immediate strong, emotional response to child rape.
2012-08-12 02:26:44 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.


You know why? Institutionalized child rape.

People don't like that.
2012-08-12 02:26:35 PM
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: BTW the NCAA did reserve the right to amend their penalties against Penn State should further information come to light.


I can't believe they didn't kill the program for five years. I also can't believe Dottie Sandusky opened the Lash Building for football players and students to rally. There are a hell of a lot of people who should be doing just as much time as Jerry, and Dottie is at the top of that list.
2012-08-12 02:23:58 PM
2 votes:
Ugh, just burn the place down. If I had Penn State on my resume I know I'd have it already.

It will take a generation for anyone to think of the Nittany Lions without thinking about the Tickle Monster. And that's just how it is going to be. No one can change that.
2012-08-12 02:22:22 PM
2 votes:
Pedo State.
2012-08-12 02:20:59 PM
2 votes:

drivingsouth: Hey FBI, welcome to the party. This story has been kicking around PA for a while. About a year ago, it was reported first by Sarah Ganim in the Harrisburg Patriot-News & then by Mark Madden in The Beaver County Times that Sandusky may have been acting as a pimp for big-time donors who happened to also like taking showers with little boys.


From what I understand, the FBI was waiting in the wings just in case the local courts dropped the ball on convicting Sandusky. They got it right, so now the feds can focus elsewhere.

It's not just about the ring of people doing it; it's also about the cover-up, led by Joe Paterno, in the interest of protecting business deals in addition to the football program.
2012-08-12 02:20:08 PM
2 votes:
Also, you're being very silly right now, GAT_00.
2012-08-12 02:15:40 PM
2 votes:

Godscrack: It wont be that bad. This is a rich, Ivy league conservative school. There's so much money backing this scandal, there are probably pay offs happening right now. Most of the facts will get buried by the powers that be.

This is America. We're in the middle of hating brown people and gays. Events like this just interfere with the program.


You know how I know you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about?
2012-08-12 02:14:49 PM
2 votes:
Hey FBI, welcome to the party. This story has been kicking around PA for a while. About a year ago, it was reported first by Sarah Ganim in the Harrisburg Patriot-News & then by Mark Madden in The Beaver County Times that Sandusky may have been acting as a pimp for big-time donors who happened to also like taking showers with little boys.
2012-08-12 02:12:19 PM
2 votes:
Oh no. I just want this shiat to end. Sick of it.

/but if there's a freaking pedophilia ring... there'a a pedophilia ring
//ugh. idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg
2012-08-12 02:11:06 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

The school's administration covered up the rape of children. Not the students, not the Organic Chemistry TA, but the school. As in, the administration, higher-ups, powers-that-be. I don't believe I've seen anyone accuse the students of being in on anything, or contributing to anything, or helping cover anything up. That said, when an institution farks up, the institution takes the hit. If some of these whiny assfarks had a modicum of self-awareness, they'd realize they personally aren't being victimized by any of this. Suzie Q who is getting a degree in Political Science isn't affected by this one iota. Her degree, her scholarship if she has one, her collegiate life....none of it is being ruined by the NCAA telling her school YOU CAN'T COVER UP THE RAPE OF CHILDREN AND THINK YOU'LL GET AWAY WITH IT.

That damn TA, personally covering up the crimes.


Did you even read what I said, or are you so jacked-up on your own self-importance that you didn't realize I WASN'T BLAMING TEACHERS OR STUDENTS FOR WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID? You literally responded to my post with the opposite of what I said. Either you didn't read it, or you have a standard, boiler-plate response to people who post in Penn State threads.
2012-08-12 02:10:59 PM
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: or contributing to anything,


Well there was that riot when Paterno was fired. And a few students may have had a hand in hounding the first victim to come forward so bad he's in witness protection.
2012-08-12 01:22:08 PM
2 votes:

Godscrack: The My Little Pony Killer: Good. Let them suffer.

It wont be that bad. This is a rich, Ivy league conservative school. There's so much money backing this scandal, there are probably pay offs happening right now. Most of the facts will get buried by the powers that be.

This is America. We're in the middle of hating brown people and gays. Events like this just interfere with the program.


Since when did Penn State become an Ivy?
2012-08-13 12:43:18 PM
1 votes:
What I have learned from this thread:

Penn State is an Ivy League school.

The Ivy League is controlled by Catholics.

Having sex solely with little boys is considered molestation but it isn't gay because the victims don't give consent so that makes it okay.

Ditto for 15 year olds.

All of these child molesters get high positions in government and therefore are just as immune from prosecution like that South African dickhead in Lethal Weapon 2.

Every college believes their football program is sacred and the NCAA is so weak willed it will never ask for a total rehaul because money and politics and corruption and shut up this is the way it has always been.

I am getting restrainig orders on all you bastards.
2012-08-13 05:31:18 AM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: FloydA: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: Just like the Catholics homosexuals- it's not only the rape, it's the aiding and abetting. It's the culture that accepts this and covers for the perpetrators.

If the perp and the victims are the same gender, then it's homosexual pedophilia. Remember that while bashing the Catholics.
You think any of those criminals would act different elsewhere?
Or you can just ignore that part of the problem and wonder why it continues.
Why is it an adult man finds a male child appealing?
If you're not going to let them hide behind Catholicism, don't let them hide behind homosexuality either.
/not Catholic


Homosexuality refers to an adult who is attracted to another adult of the same sex. Child molesters are not "homosexuals," they are child molesters. Children are not capable of offering informed consent for sexual activity, adults are.

Please do not conflate adults with children, they are not the same thing.


While we're on the subject, being angry about priests molesting kids also doesn't count as "bashing the Catholics." There are millions of Catholics worldwide, and only a few priests molested kids. When you accuse those who are angry at the child molesters of "bashing Catholics," you are implying that all Catholics are child molesters. That simply is not true, and I would appreciate it if you refrain from making that implication again.

My parents are Catholic, so not only do they get to hear the whole "you rape kids!" thing, they also get the "you're not really Christians!" thing from the hardcore Baptists and Evangelicals around here. So yeah, refraining from painting all Catholics with the "child molester" tag would be a good move.


Really? People walk up to your parents and say "you rape kids"? I find that a little hard to believe.
2012-08-12 09:40:55 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.


If you want to check the mentality of some of these Penn State fans just check their fan message board. Downright embarrassing.
2012-08-12 09:16:18 PM
1 votes:

NASAM: Seriously, if you ever find yourself agreeing with him on anything, it's time to reevaluate your position.


That's been my stance as of late. I can't handle the sheer levels of idiocy he's been able to put forth in these Penn State threads.
2012-08-12 08:16:35 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: /whatever happened to banging coeds?


Apparently a Nittany Lion or two finds them
media.skateboard.com.au


/Probaly also too bevaginad
2012-08-12 08:05:27 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Let me rephrase and elaborate. You are free to threaten, insult, demean and just generally abuse the entire institution for the actions of a select few who should be found and put on trial for their supposed crimes.


Let me elaborate: Fark you, and fark your stupid little cult.
2012-08-12 07:59:13 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: If the pedo ring reaches into people of real power, it will go the way of the Franklin Scandal and you won't hear anything. The Second Mile has already been quietly shut down without public exposure of its inner workings...


I and others have mentioned this, and it bears repeating (thanks). It is worth your time to read about this linked Franklin scandal. See how people who try to unmask these monsters are treated (if they're lucky, they are allowed to live). And you can bet that the worse the whistle blowers are treated, the more important and rich the hidden criminals are. Don't forget that DA who was investigating the case who disappeared without a trace.
2012-08-12 07:48:41 PM
1 votes:

fatalvenom: Central PA, where u can fark kids, and it's ok.


As long as you are good at football.

One of my friends who is from Texas was joking around the other day. He said that in Texas as long as you are good at football you can get away with most things and will be forgiven for just about anything, but in Pennsylvania they are taking that to a whole different level. He said that he didn't even think Texas would go to this level to defend somebody in the same situation.
2012-08-12 07:01:05 PM
1 votes:

ScreamingHangover: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: Coco LaFemme: or contributing to anything,


You got to have a citation for this because it is just to disgusting to be true.

Article at top of thread


That left me sick to my stomach.

Now I have to wonder if this whole Sandusky thing is the leverage that Joe Pa used to keep his job when Penn State wanted him to retire before.
2012-08-12 06:19:50 PM
1 votes:
Penn State might want to change the name. At the moment, it's invoking images of caged little boys being watched over by drooling naked old men wearing bath towels, sporting woodies.
2012-08-12 05:47:17 PM
1 votes:

jst3p:

I think you downplay the scope of the problem and seem to be OK ignoring the fact that in addition to those "few" priests there was also a an institutional cover up and we will never know how high up it went.



No, I do not downplay the scope, nor am I ignoring (or OK with) the fact that the institution covered it up, and frankly I am quite insulted that you would say that. I wish you had not done so. There was no call for that type of personal insult.

I don't think John Q. Papist who didn't even know this was going on should be held in contempt. That's what I'm saying. The people involved in child abuse and the people involved in the cover up should, in my opinion, be imprisoned for life. But the people in the pews who had no idea that any of this was happening, they really cannot be held responsible. Blaming all Catholics for the actions of the criminal priests is not rational.



Meanwhile the Church, instead of looking for justice or making any attempt to get the men help, just rotated them to a new city with a new group of young boys to prey upon.

I agree it is not fair to hold every Catholic responsible, but I think it is perfectly valid to have contempt for the Catholic Church as an organization.


Quite so. There are numerous reasons to hold the Church (as an institution) in contempt. However, those reasons do not transfer to the individual members.


But my initial point was that my contempt for child-molesting priests does not constitute "bashing the Catholics," which was the accusation I was refuting.
2012-08-12 05:41:21 PM
1 votes:

ScreamingHangover: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: Coco LaFemme: or contributing to anything,


You got to have a citation for this because it is just to disgusting to be true.

Article at top of thread


Jesus Christ on a bicycle. Forget football and Penn State. That whole town needs to be leveled.
2012-08-12 05:39:47 PM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: AliceBToklasLives: For the sake of argument, I grant everything you say. So what's your point? Should we track all homosexuals with ankle bracelets? Just keep a close eye on them? Or do I not follow you?

Ankle bracelets won't do a thing. My point is in certain situations, athletics, social gatherings like Boy Scount jamborees, and yes, church, some people use these areas for victims, either consciously or subconsciously. That means these areas need to be better monitored.
If Sandusky had been better monitored, a lot of the crime could have been prevented. And throw out that "all homosexuals" baloney. That's as silly as saying "all heterosexuals."
I'm about one of the most unpolitically correct people on the planet, so I'm going to state my opinions with no niceties.
A certain section of the male population like to prey on children. A grown man shouldn't be in an enclosed or hidden area with a young child that isn't his. The problem comes when due to preference, homo or hetero, the opportunities for predators are different and they use that to their advantage. Some may prey on young boys only for the simple reason if they tried to do the same in a girl's shower area, it would be much harder to conceal.
As for abuse within a family setting, that is even harder to detect and outside the scope of what I'm referring to now, though as Sandusky proved, once this behavior is found to have happened, check out the home as well.


Ok, I'll state what should be obvious:

"Heterosexual" pedophiles have little in common with adult heterosexuals. "Heterosexual" pedophiles have sexual desires for female children. That is a world of difference - a world of difference - from having sexual desires for female adults*. The only thing they have in common the gender towards which they are attracted; the desires are otherwise totally different. It's surprising any adult who has sexual desires towards other adults (and has no sexual feelings towards children) would find this concept in any way confusing.

*yes, a 15-year-old is, sexually, an adult - it is despicable for an adult to have sex with a woman that young, but it is not pedophilia
2012-08-12 05:35:22 PM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: jst3p: I agree it is not fair to hold every Catholic responsible, but I think it is perfectly valid to have contempt for the Catholic Church as an organization.

And predators use that contempt to conceal themselves. You're going off on your favorite prejudice while the perp goes on unpunished, sometimes for years. You attack a church or any organization, and the predator immediately has support and backup as they unwittingly protect the perp while defending their group.
Focus on the perp, the "all these guys are jerks in this group" attack isn't working.


False dichotomy. I will stick with having contempt for the child molesters AND contempt for the individuals and organizations that, as a matter of policy, cover up for them.
2012-08-12 05:08:43 PM
1 votes:

ongbok: WhyteRaven74: Coco LaFemme: or contributing to anything,


You got to have a citation for this because it is just to disgusting to be true.


Article at top of thread
2012-08-12 04:42:50 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: FloydA: That makes it all better, does it?

Nothing will. Maybe some day you'll realize this.


What argument are you attempting to make here? I think you may have mistaken me for someone else.
2012-08-12 04:29:09 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: All of you are wrong for being so angry about child rape.

Get over it already. The guy is in jail.


That makes it all better, does it?
2012-08-12 04:18:29 PM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: If the perp and the victims are the same gender, then it's homosexual pedophilia.


Bless your rotted homophobic heart.
2012-08-12 04:07:05 PM
1 votes:

dragonchild: UNC_Samurai: For what it's worth, Penn State had been considered one of the "Public Ivies" for a long time.

I think you're confusing Pedo State for Penn, which is very much a member of the Ivy League.

To be mistaken for Ivy League you have to have some serious academic snobcred. Pedo State isn't bad, but it'd take quite a bit of stupid to mistake it for Ivy League.


When Richard Moll (not that one, the scholar) published The Public Ivys: A Guide to America's Best Undergraduate Colleges and Universities, Penn State was not on the original list; It was, however, among "a list of worthy runners-up".

The original list was William & Mary, Miami-Ohio, Berkeley, Michigan, Chapel Hill, UT-Austin, Vermont, and UVA. The runners-up were Colorado, Georgia Tech, Illinois, New College of Florida, Penn State, Pitt, Binghamton, Washington, and Wisconsin.

The Greene's guides have always put Penn State on their list of public ivies as well.
2012-08-12 03:31:41 PM
1 votes:
For what it's worth, Penn State had been considered one of the "Public Ivies" for a long time.

As for the pedophile ring...

Didn't Mark Madden say something like this was going to come out?
2012-08-12 03:10:23 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00:
The Ivy League fits a traditional definition of conservative. They are very opposed to change and exist only to ensure their own survival./i>

Wanna know we know you don't know what you're talking about?

upload.wikimedia.org

Princeton

upload.wikimedia.org

Princeton

upload.wikimedia.org

Harvard

upload.wikimedia.org

Harvard


upload.wikimedia.org

Yale


upload.wikimedia.org

Yale

upload.wikimedia.org


Princeton, Yale, MIT


Yep: Ivy league is a den of conservative values known for putting sports above academics.

2012-08-12 02:59:26 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Did anyone think this was isolated? Seriously?

The University Administration was involved in the cover-up. It's not at all surprising to learn that boosters are also involved in the crimes. I'd be very unsurprised current employees of Penn State, past employees, coaches and any number of other folks associated with Penn State had to do with this.


The protection of Sandusky made no sense from a risk management perspective. Sure Paterno might have done it out of misguided loyalty and lack of morals, but protecting an above average D-Coord (who you are forcing into retirement anyway) isn't worth it. Someone would have leaked this over to the BoT or the like and had them fire the guy even if Paterno blocked it. The only real reason you cover this up so intensely is because you're afraid of what else the police find when they start digging around Sandusky's actions.

/can you imagine if Paterno is listed as someone who took part in the kiddie porn/rape ring?
2012-08-12 02:56:56 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: commieprogressive: gameshowhost: Also, you're being very silly right now, GAT_00.

It's definitely going to make me question his opinions more in the politics tab.

Same here. He's usually somewhat well-reasoned, and he'shiat the nail right on the head in a few other threads this morning. But introduce him to a Penn State thread and he goes full-wharrgarbl


You guys should check out Gat in a marijuana thread. He is very pro drug war.
2012-08-12 02:49:09 PM
1 votes:

commieprogressive: gameshowhost: Also, you're being very silly right now, GAT_00.

It's definitely going to make me question his opinions more in the politics tab.


Same here. He's usually somewhat well-reasoned, and he'shiat the nail right on the head in a few other threads this morning. But introduce him to a Penn State thread and he goes full-wharrgarbl
2012-08-12 02:47:39 PM
1 votes:

gameshowhost: Also, you're being very silly right now, GAT_00.


It's definitely going to make me question his opinions more in the politics tab.
2012-08-12 02:45:56 PM
1 votes:

Outrageous Muff: Confabulat: What does this even mean? Do you think that sounds wise or something? You sound mildly retarded if so.

It is vanity to proclaim one's superiority on a matter that does not effect oneself.


Well I better stop commenting on the day's news then. Hate to be vain and everything with an opinion.
2012-08-12 02:41:19 PM
1 votes:
Ray Gricar
2012-08-12 02:37:35 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: What does this even mean? Do you think that sounds wise or something? You sound mildly retarded if so.


It is vanity to proclaim one's superiority on a matter that does not effect oneself.
2012-08-12 02:37:27 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

You know why? Institutionalized child rape.

People don't like that.


Which I understand, but as I keep having to say, the university didn't rape anyone. One guy is known to have done it, and if this FBI thing goes anywhere, maybe a few more. And what's so hard about blaming the people who actually committed the crime?
2012-08-12 02:34:29 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

The school's administration covered up the rape of children. Not the students, not the Organic Chemistry TA, but the school. As in, the administration, higher-ups, powers-that-be. I don't believe I've seen anyone accuse the students of being in on anything, or contributing to anything, or helping cover anything up. That said, when an institution farks up, the institution takes the hit. If some of these whiny assfarks had a modicum of self-awareness, they'd realize they personally aren't being victimized by any of this. Suzie Q who is getting a degree in Political Science isn't affected by this one iota. Her degree, her scholarship if she has one, her collegiate life....none of it is being ruined by the NCAA telling her school YOU CAN'T COVER UP THE RAPE OF CHILDREN AND THINK YOU'LL GET AWAY WITH IT.

That damn TA, personally covering up the crimes.

Did you even read what I said, or are you so jacked-up on your own self-importance that you didn't realize I WASN'T BLAMING TEACHERS OR STUDENTS FOR WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID? You literally responded to my post with the opposite of what I said. Either you didn't read it, or you have a standard, boiler-plate response to people who post in Penn State threads.

You're screaming at me through the computer for not automatically agreeing with everything you think, and you think I'm going to do anything but make fun of you?


Well for one, I'm not screaming AT you, I'm emphasizing key points you pathologically keep overlooking, like the fact that you're responding to what I say with the exact opposite of what I said....and that tends to irritate me. Two, look....I love my alma mater too, but if it hit the news tomorrow that the administration was responsible for covering up child rape on its premises, by people who worked for it.....I sure as fark wouldn't defend it. I'd be the first in line castigating it. Even the little old lady on my block who had a Penn State sticker on her mailbox took it off (her grandson goes there), so if the 88-year-old woman gets it, I think you're capable too.
2012-08-12 02:33:14 PM
1 votes:

jaylectricity: I have this conversation with people and they accuse me of being jealous of the success of Penn State football.


Wait they do the accusation of you for being jealous of a team that has been at the very best the mediocre one for at least the past decade which is for those of you who are not familiar with this a period of ten years.
2012-08-12 02:32:54 PM
1 votes:

Outrageous Muff: The sin of vanity is strong in this thread.


What does this even mean? Do you think that sounds wise or something? You sound mildly retarded if so.
2012-08-12 02:30:51 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: WhyteRaven74: BTW the NCAA did reserve the right to amend their penalties against Penn State should further information come to light.

I can't believe they didn't kill the program for five years. I also can't believe Dottie Sandusky opened the Lash Building for football players and students to rally. There are a hell of a lot of people who should be doing just as much time as Jerry, and Dottie is at the top of that list.


Scratch that, it wasn't Dottie. She can still burn in hell, though.
2012-08-12 02:29:59 PM
1 votes:
If the pedo ring reaches into people of real power, it will go the way of the Franklin Scandal and you won't hear anything. The Second Mile has already been quietly shut down without public exposure of its inner workings...
2012-08-12 02:27:23 PM
1 votes:
It will come out that people were paying for the right to get close to vulnerable children. It might take awhile...but it WILL come out.

To me, this isn't about Penn State the school. So many times I have this conversation with people and they accuse me of being jealous of the success of Penn State football. Thing is, I don't watch college sports. I don't even know 10% of the college kids that get drafted into the NFL, much less 10% of any one college team.

Stuff like this just hits home for me. I was slightly molested as a very young child and I believe it changed my life forever. I'm not horribly ruined or anything, but my sex life is very frustrating even when I have several willing partners.
2012-08-12 02:22:57 PM
1 votes:
Turned the lights are on and we've only caught the slower roaches. The fast ones have run for cover in the cracks.
2012-08-12 02:20:46 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: jaylectricity called this the instant he heard about the boy in the shower.


basemetal did the pointing out of jaylectricity doing the calling of this the instant upon which it was heard by him that the boy was singing in the shower.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-12 02:19:20 PM
1 votes:
I don't see much new here. There were unsubstantiated rumors about loaning boys to donors after the scandal broke. The new part is the investigation.
2012-08-12 02:17:51 PM
1 votes:

Godscrack: The My Little Pony Killer: Good. Let them suffer.

This is a rich, Ivy league conservative school.


Let's see here: rich (it's a state school) Ivy League (if by ivy league you mean big ten) conservative (I'd bet somewhere north of 90% of the faculty voted for Obama and about the same for students) school (that's debatable). So if you don't count everything you said in that sentence then you are totally right. Good job!
2012-08-12 02:17:45 PM
1 votes:
Was this a surprise to anyone? When this first broke wasn't there reports that the feds were looking into his charity because it was believed that he was pimping out boys to wealthy donors? Also with what he was doing, it would take the efforts of a lot of people and money to keep it covered up.
2012-08-12 02:16:37 PM
1 votes:
If I'm a Penn State student right now, I'm blasting The Victors out my window 24/7 out of spite.

/hate Meeeechigan, but at least they're a darn good school and they didn't diddle little boys
2012-08-12 02:16:26 PM
1 votes:
FBI Probing Sandusky

southparkclub.com

/ make your living leeching off the Penn State Football program = get a better business model
// students who attend the university do not need a football program to graduate
2012-08-12 02:14:19 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

The school's administration covered up the rape of children. Not the students, not the Organic Chemistry TA, but the school. As in, the administration, higher-ups, powers-that-be. I don't believe I've seen anyone accuse the students of being in on anything, or contributing to anything, or helping cover anything up. That said, when an institution farks up, the institution takes the hit. If some of these whiny assfarks had a modicum of self-awareness, they'd realize they personally aren't being victimized by any of this. Suzie Q who is getting a degree in Political Science isn't affected by this one iota. Her degree, her scholarship if she has one, her collegiate life....none of it is being ruined by the NCAA telling her school YOU CAN'T COVER UP THE RAPE OF CHILDREN AND THINK YOU'LL GET AWAY WITH IT.

That damn TA, personally covering up the crimes.

Did you even read what I said, or are you so jacked-up on your own self-importance that you didn't realize I WASN'T BLAMING TEACHERS OR STUDENTS FOR WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID? You literally responded to my post with the opposite of what I said. Either you didn't read it, or you have a standard, boiler-plate response to people who post in Penn State threads.

You're screaming at me through the computer for not automatically agreeing with everything you think, and you think I'm going to do anything but make fun of you?


Yup, don't even have an answer to that but you're going to act all high and mighty anyway. And change the subject, you know, because you don't have a real answer to that.
2012-08-12 02:12:29 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Coco LaFemme: GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.

The school's administration covered up the rape of children. Not the students, not the Organic Chemistry TA, but the school. As in, the administration, higher-ups, powers-that-be. I don't believe I've seen anyone accuse the students of being in on anything, or contributing to anything, or helping cover anything up. That said, when an institution farks up, the institution takes the hit. If some of these whiny assfarks had a modicum of self-awareness, they'd realize they personally aren't being victimized by any of this. Suzie Q who is getting a degree in Political Science isn't affected by this one iota. Her degree, her scholarship if she has one, her collegiate life....none of it is being ruined by the NCAA telling her school YOU CAN'T COVER UP THE RAPE OF CHILDREN AND THINK YOU'LL GET AWAY WITH IT.

That damn TA, personally covering up the crimes.

Did you even read what I said, or are you so jacked-up on your own self-importance that you didn't realize I WASN'T BLAMING TEACHERS OR STUDENTS FOR WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID? You literally responded to my post with the opposite of what I said. Either you didn't read it, or you have a standard, boiler-plate response to people who post in Penn State threads.


You're screaming at me through the computer for not automatically agreeing with everything you think, and you think I'm going to do anything but make fun of you?
2012-08-12 02:07:14 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: That damn TA, personally covering up the crimes.


Way to be completely disingenuous about the topic, as usual.

/how exactly is "don't rape children and don't cover up the rape of children" such a disagreeable opinion to you?
//wait, don't answer that, you have me ignored anyway
2012-08-12 02:02:11 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.


This isn't unfair to Penn State, however it is unfair for people to lay the entire weight of these crimes on PSU. Like has been said before, the Second Mile Charity was the source of the majority of these crimes. The reason this story started with the college and not the charity is because the charity's board members are very powerful GOP donors, and starting in 2009 the state GOP had plan to takeover the state house. The then AG, now PA Governor, refused to investigate these crimes with vigor. Instead he focused the entire DoJ on the Democratic State Caucus.
2012-08-12 01:59:08 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.


Hmm, the English could be better on that.

Let me rephrase and elaborate. You are free to threaten, insult, demean and just generally abuse the entire institution for the actions of a select few who should be found and put on trial for their supposed crimes. However, if you should tell someone off, like telling off an Internet Tough Guy who said someone should shoot the fans that showed up to a practice to support the players, you will get deleted and banned. The post threatening violence will remain.

There is only one side allowed to these threads, and that is blaming the entire institution of Penn State for the actions of a few.
2012-08-12 01:57:10 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Krymson Tyde: The apologists are late getting here. Come on guys, we need to be lectured about how unfair all of this is to Penn State.

Well, I could offer an opinion, but I get deleted in these threads when they do. You're not allowed to defend Penn State at all on here anymore. It's pure 24/7 hate.


This is you, in every single Penn State thread:

www.thegatewaypundit.com

/deleted? ha
//more like having your idiotic opinion shot down every time you spout off
2012-08-12 01:18:03 PM
1 votes:

Godscrack: The My Little Pony Killer: Good. Let them suffer.

It wont be that bad. This is a rich, Ivy league conservative school. There's so much money backing this scandal, there are probably pay offs happening right now. Most of the facts will get buried by the powers that be.

This is America. We're in the middle of hating brown people and gays. Events like this just interfere with the program.


Yes, but you forget how torturous this has been for the people attending the school so far, and how vocal they've been about how "unfair" this all is to them.
2012-08-12 01:13:02 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Good. Let them suffer.


It wont be that bad. This is a rich, Ivy league conservative school. There's so much money backing this scandal, there are probably pay offs happening right now. Most of the facts will get buried by the powers that be.

This is America. We're in the middle of hating brown people and gays. Events like this just interfere with the program.
2012-08-12 01:04:56 PM
1 votes:
Good. Let them suffer.
2012-08-12 12:56:10 PM
1 votes:
jaylectricity called this the instant he heard about the boy in the shower.
 
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