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(WhatCulture)   Dr. McCoy's ten-point guide to being the best doctor in Starfleet, in Federation-approved slideshow format   (whatculture.com) divider line 34
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2012-08-12 01:43:28 PM  
At least you called it out as a slideshow in the headline and avoided the pissing and moaning in the thread.

Something I've wondered lately, what determines if a link goes green or not? I used to think it was TF people upvoting or commenting or...something. But lately it's just been a lot of greens with 0 comments, and they're not giant glaring obvious paid links like the 'half the page is gawker assests' greens are.
 
2012-08-12 01:49:27 PM  
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kroonermanblack: Something I've wondered lately, what determines if a link goes green or not?


Administrators choose which links go green. Usually, the same thing that makes an article interesting to an administrator also makes it interesting enough for a totalFarker to comment on, but this is not a requirement.

Also, sometimes previously redlit links will go green if they are upvoted and then noticed by a different admin, but then this isn't certain either.
 
2012-08-12 01:50:56 PM  
Dr McCoy is awesome, DeForest played him perfectly. I never liked him as a kid, but as a grown-up completely in love with Star Trek: TOS he's very much my favourite character. Love the way him and Spock riffed off each other.

I think Pulanski in TNG was an attempt at doing McCoy; but one that just never really worked...she just came across as a biatch - particularly to Data. The Pulanski/Data relationship I guess was an attempt at replicating the McCoy/Spock thang but with McCoy you always knew that behind that gruff exterior beat the heart of a caring human being, wheras with Pulanski she just seemed like a cow.
 
2012-08-12 01:52:11 PM  
Dammit, I'm a doctor, Jim, not a guy who wastes time clicking through slide shows!
 
2012-08-12 01:55:33 PM  
Avoid being shot and killed for providing abortions is not on there? WTF? And they expect our current society to advance to a level where we can challenge the Klingons? Preposterous.
 
2012-08-12 01:59:39 PM  
Federation-approved slideshow format

Sounds more like the Ferenghi to me.
 
2012-08-12 02:29:33 PM  

kroonermanblack: At least you called it out as a slideshow in the headline and avoided the pissing and moaning in the thread.

Something I've wondered lately, what determines if a link goes green or not? I used to think it was TF people upvoting or commenting or...something. But lately it's just been a lot of greens with 0 comments, and they're not giant glaring obvious paid links like the 'half the page is gawker assests' greens are.


Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a modmin.
 
2012-08-12 03:01:41 PM  

Jim Gordon: kroonermanblack: At least you called it out as a slideshow in the headline and avoided the pissing and moaning in the thread.

Something I've wondered lately, what determines if a link goes green or not? I used to think it was TF people upvoting or commenting or...something. But lately it's just been a lot of greens with 0 comments, and they're not giant glaring obvious paid links like the 'half the page is gawker assests' greens are.

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a modmin.


Dammit, Jim Gordon, you're a Jim, not a Bones.
 
2012-08-12 03:08:02 PM  
Link farked?
 
2012-08-12 03:09:13 PM  
The key is griping. Lots of griping.
 
2012-08-12 03:19:34 PM  
files.myopera.com

The link's dead Jim.
 
2012-08-12 03:22:33 PM  
You can probably only do one thing well, so stick with that.

Dammit -- you're a doctor, not a bricklayer, mechanic, or escalator.
 
2012-08-12 04:32:11 PM  

skodabunny: Dr McCoy is awesome, DeForest played him perfectly. I never liked him as a kid, but as a grown-up completely in love with Star Trek: TOS he's very much my favourite character. Love the way him and Spock riffed off each other.

I think Pulanski in TNG was an attempt at doing McCoy; but one that just never really worked...she just came across as a biatch - particularly to Data. The Pulanski/Data relationship I guess was an attempt at replicating the McCoy/Spock thang but with McCoy you always knew that behind that gruff exterior beat the heart of a caring human being, wheras with Pulanski she just seemed like a cow.


Ah, misogyny at it's finest. Men can be grumpy, cantankerous old farts and it's endearing because you know they care. When women behave the same way, they're just biatches. Cow biatches at that.

/female
/hated Pulanski with a fiery passion
 
2012-08-12 04:40:03 PM  

QT_3.14159: Ah, misogyny at it's finest. Men can be grumpy, cantankerous old farts and it's endearing because you know they care. When women behave the same way, they're just biatches. Cow biatches at that.

/female
/hated Pulanski with a fiery passion


Yep... can't argue with you there! But I do genuinely feel that DeForest was more capable of playing a sympathetic grouch than Muldaur was. Whether that's still down to my innate misogyny I can't say, but at least you didn't like her either...
 
2012-08-12 05:11:35 PM  

skodabunny: Yep... can't argue with you there! But I do genuinely feel that DeForest was more capable of playing a sympathetic grouch than Muldaur was. Whether that's still down to my innate misogyny I can't say, but at least you didn't like her either...


Nope, couldn't stand her. But to be fair, I pretty much refuse to watch the first 2 seasons anyway. They used to play reruns every Sunday night on a local station and we made it a ritual to order pizza and stay up late and watch them. It was great, but once they got to the end of the episodes we'd have to give it up for a while. We'd start it back up right around the middle of the third season.

I'm pretty sure the lovable cantankerous old fart / vicious old hag disconnect is a pretty basic instinct in most of us. Maybe it will get better eventually, but I doubt it.
 
2012-08-12 05:22:18 PM  

QT_3.14159: I'm pretty sure the lovable cantankerous old fart / vicious old hag disconnect is a pretty basic instinct in most of us. Maybe it will get better eventually, but I doubt it.


I think some part of it is due to the western stereotypes we're brought up with - women are caring, they're mothers, they should be sympathetic characters full of love. When a woman plays a role where she's a good person - but lacks those traits - she becomes unsympathetic (I'm reminded of Aeryn Sun, who I didn't really click with until she begun to question the Peacekeeper way of life - and of course, her ultimate redemption as a mother). My tuppence worth.

Thank you for engaging with me...and pointing out that I was being a misogynistic git! You weren't wrong and I do feel bad for it!
 
2012-08-12 06:04:03 PM  
The holographic Doctor on Voyager was best.
Then Dr. Crusher on TNG.

/just truth
 
2012-08-12 06:05:16 PM  

QT_3.14159: skodabunny: Yep... can't argue with you there! But I do genuinely feel that DeForest was more capable of playing a sympathetic grouch than Muldaur was. Whether that's still down to my innate misogyny I can't say, but at least you didn't like her either...

Nope, couldn't stand her. But to be fair, I pretty much refuse to watch the first 2 seasons anyway. They used to play reruns every Sunday night on a local station and we made it a ritual to order pizza and stay up late and watch them. It was great, but once they got to the end of the episodes we'd have to give it up for a while. We'd start it back up right around the middle of the third season.

I'm pretty sure the lovable cantankerous old fart / vicious old hag disconnect is a pretty basic instinct in most of us. Maybe it will get better eventually, but I doubt it.


I liked Dr. Lazarus.
 
2012-08-12 06:15:52 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: QT_3.14159: skodabunny: Yep... can't argue with you there! But I do genuinely feel that DeForest was more capable of playing a sympathetic grouch than Muldaur was. Whether that's still down to my innate misogyny I can't say, but at least you didn't like her either...

Nope, couldn't stand her. But to be fair, I pretty much refuse to watch the first 2 seasons anyway. They used to play reruns every Sunday night on a local station and we made it a ritual to order pizza and stay up late and watch them. It was great, but once they got to the end of the episodes we'd have to give it up for a while. We'd start it back up right around the middle of the third season.

I'm pretty sure the lovable cantankerous old fart / vicious old hag disconnect is a pretty basic instinct in most of us. Maybe it will get better eventually, but I doubt it.

I liked Dr. Lazarus.


No wonder you're green. That is an excellent point - I like her too. Forget my philosophising then, farked if I know what's going on... Maybe it's the *spins wheel* writing?
 
2012-08-12 07:16:55 PM  

QT_3.14159: Men can be grumpy, cantankerous old farts and it's endearing because you know they care. When women behave the same way, they're just biatches. Cow biatches at that.


To be fair, though, Pulaski wasn't simply cantankerous. To the audience, Data was clearly a person. Not only was he a person, but he was one we quite liked. To Pulaski, he was an appliance. And she treated him like that, which the audience read as being mean. There were never those friendly moments that you had between McCoy and Spock that actually gave us the sense that they actually had some warmth for each other. Had Pulaski stuck around longer, maybe we would have gotten them, and the audience wouldn't hate her so much.

TNG's biggest weaknesses were how bland and uninteresting the characters were. Aside from Picard and Data, everybody was pretty much a cardboard cut out with one or two broad traits- in many cases, traits we're told they have, rather than ones they show (Worf got his ass kicked far more often than he did any ass-kicking). Throwing Pulaski into that mix and making her antagonize one of the few characters we liked was a stupid move. Had she been in the first season, it might have been different.
 
2012-08-12 07:28:37 PM  
If your doctor's most used phrase is "He's dead, Jim", you might want to find a better doctor.
 
2012-08-12 07:57:43 PM  

comslave: If your doctor's most used phrase is "He's dead, Jim", you might want to find a better doctor.


Not if he didn't kill the guy. When you're always beaming down with Expendy McSpendable, that dude's not coming back. Maybe you should rethink how you do things.
 
2012-08-12 08:01:25 PM  
I actually wished they'd kept Dr Pulaski around for the third season, when the show finally started getting good stories. Dr Crusher may have been hot, but sorry, she had next to no personality, charm, or bedside manner. Not exactly traits you want in a doctor.
 
2012-08-12 08:34:37 PM  
Federation approved? Does that mean each slide will make the whooshing door noise as I click through it?
 
Skr
2012-08-12 08:54:57 PM  
Doctor ≠ Elevator
 
2012-08-12 09:23:47 PM  

QT_3.14159: skodabunny: Dr McCoy is awesome, DeForest played him perfectly. I never liked him as a kid, but as a grown-up completely in love with Star Trek: TOS he's very much my favourite character. Love the way him and Spock riffed off each other.

I think Pulanski in TNG was an attempt at doing McCoy; but one that just never really worked...she just came across as a biatch - particularly to Data. The Pulanski/Data relationship I guess was an attempt at replicating the McCoy/Spock thang but with McCoy you always knew that behind that gruff exterior beat the heart of a caring human being, wheras with Pulanski she just seemed like a cow.

Ah, misogyny at it's finest. Men can be grumpy, cantankerous old farts and it's endearing because you know they care. When women behave the same way, they're just biatches. Cow biatches at that.

/female
/hated Pulanski with a fiery passion


Where are you all getting that n from? It's Pulaski, not Pulanski.
 
2012-08-12 09:26:10 PM  
Clicked through 2 or 3 pages and decided the rest wasn't worth it.
 
2012-08-12 11:46:39 PM  

Old enough to know better: I actually wished they'd kept Dr Pulaski around for the third season, when the show finally started getting good stories. Dr Crusher may have been hot, but sorry, she had next to no personality, charm, or bedside manner. Not exactly traits you want in a doctor.


Pulaski was just a copy of McCoy they threw into TNG at the last minute, and it showed, down to the fear of transporters. I also didn't think Muldaur was a good actress.
 
2012-08-12 11:59:22 PM  
Why was Pulaski in TNG in the first place? Was Gates Macfadden off on some illustrious movie career at the time?
 
2012-08-13 02:24:47 AM  

skodabunny:
No wonder you're green. That is an excellent point - I like her too. Forget my philosophising then, farked if I know what's going on... Maybe it's the *spins wheel* writing?


Good writing and acting. It's VERY easy to write a character as a complete bastard/biatch, I'd hazard a guess that it's as respectively easy to act that character as well. But writing for a character like McCoy not so easy and that guy was a damn good actor at being able to pull it off so well.

"Write/play her as a biatch" is also the lazy way of delivering your standard, off-the-shelf, "empowered" female character hence you tend to see so much of it.

Confabulat: Why was Pulaski in TNG in the first place? Was Gates Macfadden off on some illustrious movie career at the time?


Spawning I think.
 
2012-08-13 06:03:54 AM  

Confabulat: Why was Pulaski in TNG in the first place? Was Gates Macfadden off on some illustrious movie career at the time?


She was fired from the show. Supposedly the head writer really didn't like the way she was portraying the character.

Kate Muldur's Dr. Pulaski had its moments. Telling a bearded Riker that you're banging his dad is always hilarious.

She seemed to have decent chemistry with Picard, but then Patrick Stewart reportedly held that show together single-handedly.
 
2012-08-13 07:14:23 AM  

t3knomanser: QT_3.14159: Men can be grumpy, cantankerous old farts and it's endearing because you know they care. When women behave the same way, they're just biatches. Cow biatches at that.

To be fair, though, Pulaski wasn't simply cantankerous. To the audience, Data was clearly a person. Not only was he a person, but he was one we quite liked. To Pulaski, he was an appliance. And she treated him like that, which the audience read as being mean. There were never those friendly moments that you had between McCoy and Spock that actually gave us the sense that they actually had some warmth for each other. Had Pulaski stuck around longer, maybe we would have gotten them, and the audience wouldn't hate her so much.

TNG's biggest weaknesses were how bland and uninteresting the characters were. Aside from Picard and Data, everybody was pretty much a cardboard cut out with one or two broad traits- in many cases, traits we're told they have, rather than ones they show (Worf got his ass kicked far more often than he did any ass-kicking). Throwing Pulaski into that mix and making her antagonize one of the few characters we liked was a stupid move. Had she been in the first season, it might have been different.


Thanks. I've often found it difficult to explain some of the things I don't like about TNG, and you nailed a lot of them. It seemed like one long, unending after-school special to me.
 
2012-08-13 01:53:07 PM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound
She was fired from the show. Supposedly the head writer really didn't like the way she was portraying the character.

Was that the same head writer who thought it was a good idea to write the child prodigy as annoyingly snotty as possible?

Gates only came back after Patrick Stewart personally called her. And there was much rejoicing.

Crusher could have been a better character if they'd given her more A-plots, and not stupid ones like that torrid affair she had with a candle. In Star Trek: Insufficient, I think she only had about three lines.
 
2012-08-13 02:13:08 PM  
Yeah even though Muldaur is an alumnus (look it up) the crappy writing they gave her character just didnt want to make me give her a chance. Also about 3/4 of the way through her first season on the show, I think, she (and the crew) stumble aupon the secret to immortality for the entire farking human race...and not only are they too stupid to realize it, but the powers that be at the federation dont either??? fark em all.

Blatantly making her a McCoy rip off certainly didnt help.
 
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