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2012-08-12 10:07:24 AM  
It is funny because the Democrats are supposed to be all " free speech" and we respect your ideas. Guess the TSA didn't like it much at all
 
2012-08-12 10:13:59 AM  
Is anyone actually surprised?
 
2012-08-12 10:21:24 AM  

This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.

Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.
 
2012-08-12 10:28:10 AM  

EnviroDude: It is funny because the Democrats are supposed to be all " free speech" and we respect your ideas. Guess the TSA didn't like it much at all


you think the Republicans would act any differently? hmm...well, actually now that I think about it...they GOP would take all those names and put them on a watch list.

*sigh*

we're not going to get rid of our security theater, just like we're not going to legalize cannabis (the subject of an earlier petition that was also ignored). the reasons for both petitions being ignore have nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats, it has to do with the fact that we're an authoritarian government that will NEVER reduce it's own power. right wing, left wing, Republican, Democrat...when was the last time you saw anyone from either party actually reduce their own levels of power and influence? I can't remember that ever happening.
 
2012-08-12 10:41:04 AM  
When you've already refused to obey a court order on the matter, what makes you think a petition asking why you refuse to obey that court order will be more effective?

However, they have managed to trigger the Streisand effect now, so well done.
 
2012-08-12 10:44:10 AM  

Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?
 
2012-08-12 10:56:06 AM  

GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.


Lets see if anyone notices.
 
2012-08-12 11:02:45 AM  

Party Boy: GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Lets see if anyone notices.


I'm betting...no.
 
2012-08-12 11:04:45 AM  
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-08-12 11:05:32 AM  
O no, they have angered the hive mind of Reddit.

And it will last until the next cat picture or facebook drama distracts them.
 
2012-08-12 11:18:39 AM  
More like the Whitewash House, amirite?

/no, I'm not
 
2012-08-12 11:19:10 AM  
Given that nudie-scans are becoming required to fly between almost any significant international airport, what do you want the US to do? Stop doing them and just not fly to Heathrow or Charles de Gaulle?

This is something that has to be sorted out on an international level.
 
2012-08-12 11:19:27 AM  
A link from a week ago further explains the petition expires on August 9th

FTL: If we get 25,000 by August 9th, the government will respond. I doubt they'll capitulate, but it will be a press event that will put even more pressure on the TSA.

Talk about shiatty timing. And so close, too.
 
2012-08-12 11:26:36 AM  
Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.
 
2012-08-12 11:28:29 AM  
Note to people: If Rmoney and rAYN win in November all your petty arguments and temper tantrums will be in vail, because you'll be too busy looking in dumpsters for food.

The only people who win are the rich and pundits, whose fortunes depend on fomenting outrage between the two sides. And most of them are rich, so...
 
2012-08-12 11:32:08 AM  

GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed


...and apparently in much the same fashion as other petitions that have not reached the threshold have done.
22k is close; but close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and H-Bombs. Not petitions; just ask Newt.

BullBearMS: When you've already refused to obey a court order on the matter, what makes you think a petition asking why you refuse to obey that court order will be more effective?


Because a judge only has one vote on election day?

BullBearMS: However, they have managed to trigger the Streisand effect now, so well done.


Solution is pretty simple.
First, create a "new" petition, with almost identical wording. Start trying to count to 25000 in less than 30 days, again.

Second, start a petition asking that petitions which do not reach the threshold be closed, but left in place. Maybe add some legalish language about preservation of presidential records or some such.
 
2012-08-12 11:32:12 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.


Oh look, the usual derp from a troll who apparently did not read the thread. Did you not notice the earlier comments poiting out that the petition expired on schedule, or are you just sufficiently dishonest to ignore it in order to take any opportunity to squeeze out another threadshiat?

Hmm, thinking about it, I suppose you being stupid and you being venal aren't mutually exclusive. I'm perfectly willing to believe you're both dumb and a liar.
 
2012-08-12 11:33:17 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.


so...do you think we should cut back on TSA funding and chop down their regulations to something reasonable..?
 
2012-08-12 11:36:18 AM  
We the Pe
 
2012-08-12 11:38:22 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Note to people: If Rmoney and rAYN win in November all your petty arguments and temper tantrums will be in vail, because you'll be too busy looking in dumpsters for food.


Really? You think that people in vail will need food?
 
2012-08-12 11:43:48 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The only surprise actually is that people believed...


...you would have expired from all the stupid rays beaming out of your head by now.
 
2012-08-12 11:43:58 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Note to people: If Rmoney and rAYN win in November all your petty arguments and temper tantrums will be in vail, because you'll be too busy looking in dumpsters for food.

The only people who win are the rich and pundits, whose fortunes depend on fomenting outrage between the two sides. And most of them are rich, so...


When I want to throw tantrums and argue with the rich, I usually go to aspen. But if vail works for you, go for it.
 
2012-08-12 11:45:04 AM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.

so...do you think we should cut back on TSA funding and chop down their regulations to something reasonable..?


Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?
 
2012-08-12 11:45:56 AM  
Obots have given us a great choice. If anything goes right it's due to Obama. If anything goes wrong you had unrealistic expectations that it could go right and you need to grow up and understand the way the world is.
 
2012-08-12 11:48:40 AM  
If it was that popular, can't they just..... submit another petition and try to get it done before the deadline? Or is it forever done now.
 
2012-08-12 11:48:52 AM  
I'd never know tenpoundsofderp posted in a thread if nobody had that weird knee-jerk urge to point out that "hey, tenpoundsofderp just said something stupid, let's deride that guy's single threadshiat per thread that adds nothing to the conversation."
 
2012-08-12 11:49:21 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Note to people: If Rmoney and rAYN win in November all your petty arguments and temper tantrums will be in vail, because you'll be too busy looking in dumpsters for food.

The only people who win are the rich and pundits, whose fortunes depend on fomenting outrage between the two sides. And most of them are rich, so...


You should probably finish up your fear mongering by reminding us that the terrorists are under our beds ready to kill us at any minute.
 
2012-08-12 11:49:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.


so do you think the TSA screening procedures should be changed or not? i'm curious as to what a Real American thinks about TSA gaterape. do you swallow your pride and let a government employee touch your junk...? or does a Real American fight against the TSA restrictions?

of course...if you fight against the TSA that makes you a librul, doesn't it? that's quite a problem for you...I mean, you have to let a government dude fondle your balls in order to be a 'good conservative'...which is kinda gay. Only 'libruls' fight against having their junk fondled by the TSA these days.
 
2012-08-12 11:51:25 AM  

Falcc: I'd never know tenpoundsofderp posted in a thread if nobody had that weird knee-jerk urge to point out that "hey, tenpoundsofderp just said something stupid, let's deride that guy's single threadshiat per thread that adds nothing to the conversation."


yeah, but you gotta admit it's gotdamn hilarious to hear him biatch about threadjacking....
 
2012-08-12 11:52:18 AM  
 
2012-08-12 11:52:32 AM  
Sweet buttsecks loving Jesus.
 
2012-08-12 11:53:21 AM  

Bob16: Obots have given us a great choice. If anything goes right it's due to Obama. If anything goes wrong you had unrealistic expectations that it could go right and you need to grow up and understand the way the world is.


you seem to be a fine upstanding conservative...do you believe that the TSA should be allowed to fondle your balls before you get on a plane...? or do think Obama should dial back the authority of the TSA?

remember - according to the GOP, if you weaken the TSA that makes you a traitor to your country...so choose carefully here.
 
2012-08-12 11:54:09 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?


So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. So you just go on lying, we will go on laughing at you.
 
2012-08-12 11:55:48 AM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

so do you think the TSA screening procedures should be changed or not? i'm curious as to what a Real American thinks about TSA gaterape. do you swallow your pride and let a government employee touch your junk...? or does a Real American fight against the TSA restrictions?


Threadshiating, how does that work?

If you want to discuss the TSA policies:
1. go find an article about it
2. write a funny headline
3. get it greenlit
4. discuss it on fark

wtf are you going off topic and threadshiating?
 
2012-08-12 11:56:07 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.

so...do you think we should cut back on TSA funding and chop down their regulations to something reasonable..?

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?


Obama should have used his presidential powers to keep the petition up past the date it was expired at, this is an injustice beyond anything that has been done before. You are absolutley right this needs a full investigation, Issa is asleep at the wheel here. This may call for UN intevention. Never before in the history of our country has something on a website been removed when it said it was going to be.
 
2012-08-12 11:59:29 AM  

KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. .


That wasn't in the TFA.

In this case, they followed the procedures and had transparency.
Too bad, they can't keep up with it.
 
2012-08-12 11:59:35 AM  

Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Reddit has a fair amount of control freak mods that expliciy censor and shadow censor ( so your comment appears when you look at it but not when anybody else looks at it ).

It's a waste of time and has far too many high school kids.
 
2012-08-12 11:59:50 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

so do you think the TSA screening procedures should be changed or not? i'm curious as to what a Real American thinks about TSA gaterape. do you swallow your pride and let a government employee touch your junk...? or does a Real American fight against the TSA restrictions?

Threadshiating, how does that work?

If you want to discuss the TSA policies:
1. go find an article about it
2. write a funny headline
3. get it greenlit
4. discuss it on fark

wtf are you going off topic and threadshiating?


so...are you for or against the TSA screening guidelines...? you seem to be dodging the question.
 
2012-08-12 12:01:52 PM  

GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?


Not quite:

About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition
 
2012-08-12 12:03:55 PM  

GAT_00: Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?


No.

GAT_00: TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Even if this is repeated a million times you're still going to get the outraged numbskulls. There should be an internet law or something.
 
2012-08-12 12:04:34 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. .

That wasn't in the TFA.

In this case, they followed the procedures and had transparency.
Too bad, they can't keep up with it.


Yeah, it was only mentioned 3 times in the thread prior to your Boobies. I guess reading the thread is just too hard for your little teeny brain.

Oh and good job moving those goalposts. Don't strain your back now, I'm sure you'll have to shift them again soon.
 
2012-08-12 12:06:16 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.


Try to be less of an uninformed idiot, won't you?
 
2012-08-12 12:06:28 PM  

Hydra: GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?

Not quite:

About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition


That's because tfa is full-o-shiat.

Fark Politics Tab, August 8, 2012: "TFer's friend's petition to force TSA to review "full body imaging" at airports has more than 20000 signatures; will go in front of Obama if it gets 4600 more. Difficulty: By tomorrow. DIT"
 
2012-08-12 12:06:35 PM  
Nice work, Cletus.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 12:07:01 PM  

Hydra: GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?

Not quite:

About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition


Really? So why was it listed to expire when it did a week ago when it was well below the necessary number?

Also, just what kind of groundswell of support do you think you can claim when you can't even manage 25,000 people to agree with you out of 310 million Americans?
 
2012-08-12 12:08:14 PM  

Weaver95: Bob16: Obots have given us a great choice. If anything goes right it's due to Obama. If anything goes wrong you had unrealistic expectations that it could go right and you need to grow up and understand the way the world is.

you seem to be a fine upstanding conservative...do you believe that the TSA should be allowed to fondle your balls before you get on a plane...? or do think Obama should dial back the authority of the TSA?

remember - according to the GOP, if you weaken the TSA that makes you a traitor to your country...so choose carefully here.


Me a conservative huh. I'm a socialist / communist.
 
2012-08-12 12:09:36 PM  

GAT_00: Also, just what kind of groundswell of support do you think you can claim when you can't even manage 25,000 people to agree with you out of 310 million Americans?


It only needed 2500 more signatures and that couldn't be mustered. In order to get the TSA to comply with a court order.

The next time I hear someone complain about getting groped I will come to their house and punch them in their nose.~
 
2012-08-12 12:10:06 PM  

GAT_00: Hydra: GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Also, do you people really think that petition would do anything?

Not quite:

About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition

Really? So why was it listed to expire when it did a week ago when it was well below the necessary number?

Also, just what kind of groundswell of support do you think you can claim when you can't even manage 25,000 people to agree with you out of 310 million Americans?


This is the real story here. For as unpopular as the TSA is you'd think that the petition could manage 25k.
 
2012-08-12 12:10:19 PM  

dynomutt: Mooooooooooooo


wow.
 
2012-08-12 12:11:31 PM  

gilgigamesh: In order to get the TSA to comply with a court order.


Who actually thinks that would have happened? These petitions have no force.
 
2012-08-12 12:11:35 PM  
The petition has almost 17,000 signatures. If we get 25,000 by August 9th, the government will respond.

9:02 pm Thursday, Aug 2

When you say you need somthing "by" a certain date or time, it typically means "before" that date or time.

tmyk.jpg
 
2012-08-12 12:16:07 PM  
Shame on you farkers for

Tymast: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.

so...do you think we should cut back on TSA funding and chop down their regulations to something reasonable..?

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

Obama should have used his presidential powers to keep the petition up past the date it was expired at, this is an injustice beyond anything that has been done before. You are absolutley right this needs a full investigation, Issa is asleep at the wheel here. This may call for UN intevention. Never before in the history of our country has something on a website been removed when it said it was going to be.


The petition was down for several days due to "maintenance" on the website, they should have given it more time. Besides, the 9th was just a date on a calendar.

It took 17 people to get the FCC to completely re-write how television is shown and censored.

1 million people sided a petition for GMO foods to be labeld, the court ruled it counted as one person. In short, this petition wouldn't have done anything, just another symbolic piece of crap.
 
2012-08-12 12:16:20 PM  
I will post this, as I did in the last thread about the petition. The terms of service for petition site states:

To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition.

Which means that even if it had succeeded, which it didn't, the White House could have easily ignored it.

I do agree that they should leave up the closed petitions, even if they fail.
 
2012-08-12 12:19:43 PM  
Any minute now, ArkAngel is going to come back into this thread, apologize for making a stupid assumption, and acknowledge that the petition was taken down because it had a set expiration date.

/Yep... any minute now.
 
2012-08-12 12:23:15 PM  

gilgigamesh: GAT_00: Also, just what kind of groundswell of support do you think you can claim when you can't even manage 25,000 people to agree with you out of 310 million Americans?

It only needed 2500 more signatures and that couldn't be mustered. In order to get the TSA to comply with a court order.

The next time I hear someone complain about getting groped I will come to their house and punch them in their nose.~


screw that, now that I know those petitions are binding I want to start one where everybody who signs it is exempt from all taxation. The only difficulty with my "Be Like Mitt" petition will be getting too many signatures!
 
2012-08-12 12:28:33 PM  

KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. So you just go on lying, we will go on laughing at you.


TEFA: At approximately 11:30 am EDT, the White House removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition. The site also went down for "maintenance" following an article in Wired that sought support for the campaign.

Please show what is incorrect.
 
2012-08-12 12:36:20 PM  

s2s2s2: KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. So you just go on lying, we will go on laughing at you.

TEFA: At approximately 11:30 am EDT, the White House removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition. The site also went down for "maintenance" following an article in Wired that sought support for the campaign.

Please show what is incorrect.


Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?
 
2012-08-12 12:43:24 PM  

Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?


What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.
 
2012-08-12 12:44:49 PM  

EnviroDude: It is funny because the Democrats are supposed to be all " free speech" and we respect your ideas. Guess the TSA didn't like it much at all


You sound tired.

You musy be so bushed after taking such a big threadshiat.

Guess we wont be seeing again this thread.

/alts don't count.
 
2012-08-12 12:45:12 PM  

s2s2s2: KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. So you just go on lying, we will go on laughing at you.

TEFA: At approximately 11:30 am EDT, the White House removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration were obtained when the White House unexpectedly cut short the time period for the petition. The site also went down for "maintenance" following an article in Wired that sought support for the campaign.

Please show what is incorrect.


The expiry date was August 9th, and had always been August 9th, and was openly announced to be August 9th, as has been mentioned many times now in this thread, and it was taken down August 9th. What's so hard to understand about that?
 
2012-08-12 12:50:23 PM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.


Was it shut down on the 9th or not?
 
2012-08-12 12:50:52 PM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?


Quiet, he's moving his monkey bars.
 
2012-08-12 12:55:04 PM  
That whole petition website is garbage. Typical political showmanship, nothing more.
 
2012-08-12 12:56:18 PM  

PeppaJack: That whole petition website is garbage. Typical political showmanship, nothing more.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-12 12:56:40 PM  

Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?


Which is an utterly moronic point to quibble about. 22,000 people wanted an answer from their government - why the fark shouldn't the government actually provide them with one?

If your aim is to show you're a transparent and responsive government, hiding behind arbitrary bureaucratic rules is a dick move, particularly in an election year when you're going to be talking about the importance of people engaging with the political process.

I really don't get why some people have such a knee-jerk need to defend 'their side' at all costs, even against legitimate criticism that the government should actually be doing something better than it is.
 
2012-08-12 12:57:17 PM  

Falcc: I'd never know tenpoundsofderp posted in a thread if nobody had that weird knee-jerk urge to point out that "hey, tenpoundsofderp just said something stupid, let's deride that guy's single threadshiat per thread that adds nothing to the conversation."


I believe there's a checkbox that allows you to ignore posts that mention ignored users, too.
 
2012-08-12 12:59:54 PM  
Note to the White House: Remember that whole petition website you have to pretend you're giving the people a voice? The illusion doesn't work if you pull down petition you don't like

Funny, I thought it expired.

A Farkette had a link trying to generate more signatures for this too. (Was still a couple thousand short after lunch last Thursday when I checked)
 
2012-08-12 12:59:58 PM  

The Numbers: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

Which is an utterly moronic point to quibble about. 22,000 people wanted an answer from their government - why the fark shouldn't the government actually provide them with one?

If your aim is to show you're a transparent and responsive government, hiding behind arbitrary bureaucratic rules is a dick move, particularly in an election year when you're going to be talking about the importance of people engaging with the political process.

I really don't get why some people have such a knee-jerk need to defend 'their side' at all costs, even against legitimate criticism that the government should actually be doing something better than it is.


... it's a petition system. It's not "arbitrary bureaucratic rules," it's the openly stated way in which the petitions work. You get x signatures in 90 days. It's not a knee-jerk defense of a side, it's something very simple that was going to happen happening exactly as expected.

You can read into it all you want, but every petition on there works in the same way.
 
2012-08-12 01:01:44 PM  

Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Thank you! That was really the last thing that needed to be said on this thread. I'm predicting we'll have over 500 comments by dinnertime.
 
2012-08-12 01:03:01 PM  

The Numbers: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

Which is an utterly moronic point to quibble about. 22,000 people wanted an answer from their government - why the fark shouldn't the government actually provide them with one?

If your aim is to show you're a transparent and responsive government, hiding behind arbitrary bureaucratic rules is a dick move, particularly in an election year when you're going to be talking about the importance of people engaging with the political process.

I really don't get why some people have such a knee-jerk need to defend 'their side' at all costs, even against legitimate criticism that the government should actually be doing something better than it is.


Not a side really. Just pointing out that it was clearly stated when the petition was to be taken down and now people like yourself are butthurt due to their own ignorance to say it was unexpected. But keep crying and shaking those tiny fists.
 
2012-08-12 01:03:09 PM  
Why is this on here? The petition expired before it got all the signatures. This is a well known fact.
 
2012-08-12 01:04:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

so do you think the TSA screening procedures should be changed or not? i'm curious as to what a Real American thinks about TSA gaterape. do you swallow your pride and let a government employee touch your junk...? or does a Real American fight against the TSA restrictions?

Threadshiating, how does that work?

If you want to discuss the TSA policies:
1. go find an article about it
2. write a funny headline
3. get it greenlit
4. discuss it on fark

wtf are you going off topic and threadshiating?


Oh, that is rich. The queen of threadshiatting condemning others for it.
 
2012-08-12 01:04:49 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

In training camps around the country, Young Republicans as young as six are conditioned to hone their knee-jerk outrage capabilities.
 
2012-08-12 01:05:22 PM  

The Numbers: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

Which is an utterly moronic point to quibble about. 22,000 people wanted an answer from their government - why the fark shouldn't the government actually provide them with one?

If your aim is to show you're a transparent and responsive government, hiding behind arbitrary bureaucratic rules is a dick move, particularly in an election year when you're going to be talking about the importance of people engaging with the political process.

I really don't get why some people have such a knee-jerk need to defend 'their side' at all costs, even against legitimate criticism that the government should actually be doing something better than it is.


For the same reason you do.
The petitions were all put up for a fixed length of time. Some incited sufficient comment to be of note - this one did not. The fact that you think the rules should have been bent to give more weight to your own personal point of view indicates who is really being blindly partisan here.
 
2012-08-12 01:06:06 PM  
Unfortunately the TSA has taken successful steps to reduce the visibility of the issue to the point where people either feel less violated or accept it.

A software upgrade added a customer-viewable screen that simplifies outcome of the results as "OK" or a cartoon stick figure identifying the area to be screened by hand.

It takes deeper thought to realize that regardless of how the scanner's output is obscured, the technology inside is still "seeing" your nude body as clearly as before, and there is no way to know if or when that data is seen as a clear, nude image by a person behind the scenes. It's a black box.

Toward the goal of reducing objections, the psychology is brilliant. The pretext that the software is analyzing the image without showing detail to anyone allows the customer to choose to believe in a possibility that no one is looking at your nude image, whereas before you knew you were being looked at every time by someone in another room. It makes people relax without changing anything.
 
2012-08-12 01:06:36 PM  
So they're going to put the unfinished petition back up, I hope.
 
2012-08-12 01:10:39 PM  
Epic.org?

What's next, LikeOMGGagMeWithASpoon.org?
 
2012-08-12 01:12:41 PM  

jso2897: That whole petition website is garbage. Typical political showmanship, nothing more.


Hey, who you calling old? :p
 
2012-08-12 01:15:40 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Why is this on here? The petition expired before it got all the signatures. This is a well known fact.


Obama can use his time machine to plant false information about his birth, but he cannot do something about the petition? He simply does not care enough about the country if he wasn't able to intervene here.
 
2012-08-12 01:18:03 PM  

LasersHurt: The Numbers: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

Which is an utterly moronic point to quibble about. 22,000 people wanted an answer from their government - why the fark shouldn't the government actually provide them with one?

If your aim is to show you're a transparent and responsive government, hiding behind arbitrary bureaucratic rules is a dick move, particularly in an election year when you're going to be talking about the importance of people engaging with the political process.

I really don't get why some people have such a knee-jerk need to defend 'their side' at all costs, even against legitimate criticism that the government should actually be doing something better than it is.

... it's a petition system. It's not "arbitrary bureaucratic rules," it's the openly stated way in which the petitions work. You get x signatures in 90 days. It's not a knee-jerk defense of a side, it's something very simple that was going to happen happening exactly as expected.

You can read into it all you want, but every petition on there works in the same way.


Actually its pretty much the definition of arbitrary, bureaucratic rules.

This kind of thing shows the difference between a government with a genuine interest in engaging with the public and a government with an interest in appearing to engage with the public whilst trying to avoid actually engaging with them.
 
2012-08-12 01:18:43 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: KiltedBastich: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

This is about the actions of President Hopey Changey administration becoming even less transparent and subverting the goal voice of the people by pulling down this petition

/you sound tired. you okay?

So much failure, so few actual meaningful statements. I repeat, notice that the petition expired after 30 days, exactly as it was supposed to according to the announced rules of the site. Everything is exactly as transparent as promised.

But of course you're too much of a dishonest partisan shill to admit that. .

That wasn't in the TFA.

In this case, they followed the procedures and had transparency.
Too bad, they can't keep up with it.


THREADshiatTER
 
2012-08-12 01:19:12 PM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?


So far I'm taking everyone hears word for it. I'm also not thinking there was going to be a flood of signatures before 11:59PM. I'm asking a question you haven't answered.
 
2012-08-12 01:20:59 PM  

GAT_00: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?

Quiet, he's moving his monkey bars.


My monkey bars were, and will remain at "What time of day was it scheduled to close?" until someone answers them. ANSWER THE MONKEY BARS, SHEEPLE!
 
2012-08-12 01:24:10 PM  
This isn't Nam.

There are rules.for petitions
 
2012-08-12 01:26:08 PM  

Epoch_Zero: This isn't Nam.

There are rules.for petitions


What was the exact deadline? It should include more than a date.
 
2012-08-12 01:27:07 PM  

jso2897: For the same reason you do.
The petitions were all put up for a fixed length of time. Some incited sufficient comment to be of note - this one did not. The fact that you think the rules should have been bent to give more weight to your own personal point of view indicates who is really being blindly partisan here.


You poor thing. It must be difficult accurately comprehending the world when you're so prone to making baseless assumptions.
 
2012-08-12 01:28:58 PM  
Come on, guys:

These machines see through your clothing. What could be more transparent than that?
 
2012-08-12 01:33:21 PM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.


Like a poodle gobbling down its own vomit.
 
2012-08-12 01:34:15 PM  

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: This isn't Nam.

There are rules.for petitions

What was the exact deadline? It should include more than a date.


Perhaps there is a system, I don't know, let's make it electronic and widespread, which you can use to send a message to someone stating your displeasure at such a thing.

The world will be great when this is discovered.

thamike: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x800]

In training camps around the country, Young Republicans as young as six are conditioned to hone their knee-jerk outrage capabilities.


Well done good sir.
 
2012-08-12 01:38:07 PM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?

So far I'm taking everyone hears word for it. I'm also not thinking there was going to be a flood of signatures before 11:59PM. I'm asking a question you haven't answered.


Since date is also determined by time do you have proof it was shut down prior to midnight EDT? Or are you just "asking questions"?
 
2012-08-12 01:40:02 PM  
If they really wanted to kill this petition they would have just messed with the count.
 
2012-08-12 01:42:11 PM  

gravy chugging cretin.: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Like a poodle gobbling down its own vomit.


You prefer the vomit of others.

This one got more than 25K.
 
2012-08-12 01:42:31 PM  
Time limits: How the fark do they work?
 
2012-08-12 01:44:29 PM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?

So far I'm taking everyone hears word for it. I'm also not thinking there was going to be a flood of signatures before 11:59PM. I'm asking a question you haven't answered.

Since date is also determined by time do you have proof it was shut down prior to midnight EDT? Or are you just "asking questions"?


The article says it came down at 11:30AM
 
2012-08-12 01:45:41 PM  

gameshowhost: Time limits: How the fark do they work?


I'd assume you should get the whole last day, unless otherwise specified.
Was it otherwise specified?
 
2012-08-12 01:45:46 PM  

spill_thrill: If they really wanted to kill this petition they would have just messed with the count.


Heh, you're new at this, aren't you?

See, we're dealing with a group of people that have been planning our current regime for literally half a century. They plant subtle clues and plan decades ahead, sometimes falsifying historical documents and public record for their own nefarious ends. They hide symbols in buildings and are all from the same genetic lineage going back to the dawn of civilization. They don't just go and mess with the numbers.

Change the numbers... wow...
 
2012-08-12 01:47:34 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Why is this on here? The petition expired before it got all the signatures. This is a well known fact.


Because Fark's business model would collapse, otherwise.
 
2012-08-12 01:55:36 PM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: Unexpected because they had a set date when the petition would be taken down and stuck to it?

What time was it to shut down? Is 11:30AM EDT a standard time?
I'm not really giving my thoughts to either side, but, "Nothing was going to happen anyway!" thinking is tiresome.

Was it shut down on the 9th or not?

So far I'm taking everyone hears word for it. I'm also not thinking there was going to be a flood of signatures before 11:59PM. I'm asking a question you haven't answered.

Since date is also determined by time do you have proof it was shut down prior to midnight EDT? Or are you just "asking questions"?

The article says it came down at 11:30AM


I suppose the only way to figure out if there were shenanigans going on would be to compare the cut off to other recent petitions on the site. Just browsing the other petitions listed doesn't seem to be the case.
 
2012-08-12 01:56:13 PM  

Generation_D: O no, they have angered the hive mind of Reddit.

And it will last until the next cat picture or facebook drama distracts them.


Said without a hint of irony.
 
2012-08-12 01:57:29 PM  

s2s2s2: gameshowhost: Time limits: How the fark do they work?

I'd assume you should get the whole last day, unless otherwise specified.
Was it otherwise specified?


It would probably depend on when the petition was initially submitted. I'm assuming not everyone puts their petition in at exactly midnight.
 
2012-08-12 02:00:40 PM  
...And if the petition had garnered enough signatures the head of the TSA's secretary would just have pumped out another response talking about the importance of the TSA and nothing would change, just like when the last petition on the TSA went through.

At any rate, they can always start another petition. It doesn't even have to be on the government's website!
 
2012-08-12 02:01:35 PM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: gameshowhost: Time limits: How the fark do they work?

I'd assume you should get the whole last day, unless otherwise specified.
Was it otherwise specified?

It would probably depend on when the petition was initially submitted. I'm assuming not everyone puts their petition in at exactly midnight.


Makes sense.
 
2012-08-12 02:09:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: gameshowhost: Time limits: How the fark do they work?

I'd assume you should get the whole last day, unless otherwise specified.
Was it otherwise specified?

It would probably depend on when the petition was initially submitted. I'm assuming not everyone puts their petition in at exactly midnight.


YOU FOOL - YOU GET THE WHOLE DAY! FREEDOM!!

FFS, s2s2s2, *I* signed the petition. Time expired. Weren't enough sigs. Game over.

/insert new coin; i'll sign it again
 
2012-08-12 02:13:30 PM  

s2s2s2: gameshowhost: Time limits: How the fark do they work?

I'd assume you should get the whole last day, unless otherwise specified.
Was it otherwise specified?


I'm not sure if this helps, but I think the response window for the petition is 30 days (check the bottom of this page), but note that there were 31 days in July. It looks like the petition was created on the 9th.

Therefore the petition was up for more than 30 days, if I've counted right. Maybe there was some sort of confusion as to when the petition was going to expire.
 
2012-08-12 02:26:50 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Why is this on here? The petition expired before it got all the signatures. This is a well known fact.


Because exaggeration and establishing conspiracies is the new gig nowadays.
 
2012-08-12 02:28:19 PM  
GOD I LOVE PHONY FORCED OUTRAGE SO GODDAMN MUCH.
 
2012-08-12 02:29:55 PM  

GAT_00: Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.

Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.


Not only that, there was even a link to it on the 8th with the headline:

TFer's friend's petition to force TSA to review "full body imaging" at airports has more than 20000 signatures; will go in front of Obama if it gets 4600 more. Difficulty: By tomorrow.
 
2012-08-12 02:37:42 PM  

jso2897: For the same reason you do.
The petitions were all put up for a fixed length of time. Some incited sufficient comment to be of note - this one did not. The fact that you think the rules should have been bent to give more weight to your own personal point of view indicates who is really being blindly partisan here.


You Americans sure have been effectively conditioned by your political overlords.

Government 'of the people, by the people, for the people' sets rules that limit how much it has to respond to the people - greeted with meek acquiescence, even gratitude.

Person questions these rules - automatically treated as ideological enemy and attacked.

Time to wake up a bit, maybe?
 
2012-08-12 02:39:09 PM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

Don't threadjack. This isn't about the TSA.

so do you think the TSA screening procedures should be changed or not? i'm curious as to what a Real American thinks about TSA gaterape. do you swallow your pride and let a government employee touch your junk...? or does a Real American fight against the TSA restrictions?

of course...if you fight against the TSA that makes you a librul, doesn't it? that's quite a problem for you...I mean, you have to let a government dude fondle your balls in order to be a 'good conservative'...which is kinda gay. Only 'libruls' fight against having their junk fondled by the TSA these days.


He only lets enviro dudes fondle his balls.
 
2012-08-12 02:48:28 PM  
So the time limit expired. No big deal. Eight million things out there like members of Obama's campaign on the payroll of war criminals and this gets greened?
 
2012-08-12 02:58:28 PM  
failblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-12 03:03:29 PM  
You know, this petition sounds familiar... oh, right:

TFer's friend's petition to force TSA to review "full body imaging" at airports has more than 20000 signatures; will go in front of Obama if it gets 4600 more. Difficulty: By tomorrow. DIT

8402 clicks; posted to Main » on 08 Aug 2012 at 1:52 PM


So the deadline was on the 9th... and it was closed on the 9th.

Not seeing the sinister conspiracy here.

/certainly, I'd like to see the WH address this
//but I'm not about to jump at shadows over it
 
2012-08-12 03:05:42 PM  

And I've just finished my milk: jso2897: For the same reason you do.
The petitions were all put up for a fixed length of time. Some incited sufficient comment to be of note - this one did not. The fact that you think the rules should have been bent to give more weight to your own personal point of view indicates who is really being blindly partisan here.

You Americans sure have been effectively conditioned by your political overlords.

Government 'of the people, by the people, for the people' sets rules that limit how much it has to respond to the people - greeted with meek acquiescence, even gratitude.

Person questions these rules - automatically treated as ideological enemy and attacked.

Time to wake up a bit, maybe?


So when you can't back up your contentions with a factual, logical argument, just dispense abstract, cornball wisdom from on high? Sure thing, Yoda.
 
2012-08-12 03:06:05 PM  
This whole website petition thing is a joke. Originally it took only 5,000 names but then the White House quickly realized this was too low a bar so they upped it to 25,000. But it's still meaningless. The result of this website is that some poor bureaucrat, or bureaucrats, then has to draft a polite response explaining why nothing is going to be done about the issue. Waste of time and money. Someone at the White House should have seen this coming and stopped the petition website before it got started.
 
2012-08-12 03:09:15 PM  

Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Exactly. They were attempting to create an artificial scandal. I've been rather surprised at the lack of scandals this administration has had compared to prior ones like Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Reagan, Carter, Nixon...
 
2012-08-12 03:10:24 PM  

The Numbers: jso2897: For the same reason you do.
The petitions were all put up for a fixed length of time. Some incited sufficient comment to be of note - this one did not. The fact that you think the rules should have been bent to give more weight to your own personal point of view indicates who is really being blindly partisan here.

You poor thing. It must be difficult accurately comprehending the world when you're so prone to making baseless assumptions.


Well, apparently I'm supposed to see the wisdom of what you say simply because you say it emphatically and with authority - despite your apparent inability to offer any logical argument to support your position.
You sound like some country preacher telling me I'm going to hell because i don't believe in the God he expects me to accept uncritically. "Poor thing", indeed.
Not too convincing.
 
2012-08-12 03:16:59 PM  

shotglasss: So the time limit expired. No big deal. Eight million things out there like members of Obama's campaign on the payroll of war criminals and this gets greened?


25.media.tumblr.com

I'd be very careful who I talked to about this.
 
2012-08-12 03:18:45 PM  
As I said when the subject of the petition came up.

Do you honestly think anyone in government doesn't know that we have a problem with the TSA? The TSA has been in violation of a court order for months now and nobody is doing a thing about it.

OWS and Tea Party... This should be your new target.
 
2012-08-12 03:19:18 PM  

Antidamascus: If it was that popular, can't they just..... submit another petition and try to get it done before the deadline? Or is it forever done now.


Sure, do it. That's how many people push through many laws.
 
2012-08-12 03:19:54 PM  
what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?
 
2012-08-12 03:22:47 PM  

germ78: what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?


They do have a new feature which allows you to ignore posts that have non-ignored people quoting ignored people.
 
2012-08-12 03:24:09 PM  

abb3w: First, create a "new" petition, with almost identical wording. Start trying to count to 25000 in less than 30 days, again.


In July 2011, a federal appeals court ruled that the Transportation Security Administration had to conduct a notice-and-comment rulemaking on its policy of using "Advanced Imaging Technology" for primary screening at airports. TSA was supposed to publish the policy in the Federal Register, take comments from the public, and justify its policy based on public input. The court told TSA to do all this "promptly." A year later, TSA has not even started that public process. Defying the court, the TSA has not satisfied public concerns about privacy, about costs and delays, security weaknesses, and the potential health effects of these machines. If the government is going to "body-scan" Americans at U.S. airports, President Obama should force the TSA to begin the public process the court ordered.

New version created; linky, also short URL.

However, there's a second step:
Until your petition reaches 150 signatures, it will not be publicly viewable on the Open Petitions section of We the People, so be sure to share this URL
.
Didn't know about that one. I wonder how many petitions are kept below the radar by that bit.
 
2012-08-12 03:26:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: germ78: what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?

They do have a new feature which allows you to ignore posts that have non-ignored people quoting ignored people.


But then you're left all alone...
 
2012-08-12 03:28:40 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Note to people: If Rmoney and rAYN win in November all your petty arguments and temper tantrums will be in vail, because you'll be too busy looking in dumpsters for food.

The only people who win are the rich and pundits, whose fortunes depend on fomenting outrage between the two sides. And most of them are rich, so...


Well, here's our dummy of the day
 
2012-08-12 03:30:42 PM  

randomjsa: As I said when the subject of the petition came up.

Do you honestly think anyone in government doesn't know that we have a problem with the TSA? The TSA has been in violation of a court order for months now and nobody is doing a thing about it.

OWS and Tea Party... This should be your new target.


The politicians on both sides of the aisle have really stepped on their dicks with this one. they have created and environment where any opponent can go after them as "soft on terrorism" if they relax any of these dumbass regs - and if they do and "something" happens, they're relly screwd.
But they know they have to get rid of this shiat - people hate it.
You can lie to Americans, cheat them, steal from them, and desecrate their dearest values right in front of them, and they'll just burp and turn up the sound on "Dancing With the Stars" - but heaven help your poor political ass if you inconvenience them.
So they have created quite a little pickle for themselves - it will be amusing to see them try to work it out.
 
2012-08-12 03:38:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Another "surprise" from the President who promised transparency.

The only surprise actually is that people believed in his hopey changey schtick.


It wasn't taken down, genius. It had until the 9th to get signatures.

Amazingly, yesterday was the tenth.
 
2012-08-12 03:54:44 PM  
I got fed up with that site when we kept getting wishy-washy do-nothing preserve-the-status-quo responses.
 
2012-08-12 03:59:41 PM  

germ78: what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?


You can also block posts that mention that person you are ignoring.

/that is if someone doesn't put their own "clever" spin on the name like "tenpoundsofderp."
 
2012-08-12 04:04:38 PM  
Too bad the alts of right-wing pieces of sh*t on this site (and the trolls and modmins who so lovingly imitate them) don't also have expiry dates. I'd pay $5 a month if that was available... and also if there was a list of the original usernames of all the alts on this site.

/those with alts are FDIs (Fundamentally Damaged Individuals)
//this is my only login name
///multiple slashies
 
2012-08-12 04:14:22 PM  
This happens all the time on Fark. I'll see a headline and think to myself, "Wow - if that's accurate, the wingnuts might actually have a legitimate point for a change." Then, of course, I read the thread or TFA, and realize that, once again, it's all a load of malarkey.
 
2012-08-12 04:24:35 PM  

GAT_00: Party Boy: GAT_00: Came in here to note that it had simply expired as designed, leaving satisfied.

Lets see if anyone notices.

I'm betting...no.


It's so much more fun to be outraged and pretend that the President is secretly not JUST a seekrit mooslim commie fascist, but also a big fan of TSA.
 
2012-08-12 04:37:04 PM  
Why does the TSA want to see my junk anyway?
 
2012-08-12 05:19:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: germ78: what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?

They do have a new feature which allows you to ignore posts that have non-ignored people quoting ignored people.


Is that a TF-only thing?
 
2012-08-12 05:28:43 PM  

thamike: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x800]

In training camps around the country, Young Republicans as young as six are conditioned to hone their knee-jerk outrage capabilities.


dafuq? What is that? What'd I miss?
 
2012-08-12 06:29:42 PM  
So, this means that Paul Ryan is automatically President?
 
2012-08-12 06:46:13 PM  
most transparent President & administration
 
2012-08-12 06:57:28 PM  
Seriously? The petition didn't get the required number of signatures within the window. Go on the website, and they don't have any petitions on there that don't have the required number of signatures or whose final dates aren't in the future. As shiatty as it is that they're ignoring the court order, there is no grand conspiracy theory going on here. Go pound sand somewhere else.
 
2012-08-12 07:17:17 PM  

vegasj: most transparent President & administration


Glad you agree that he followed the rules.
 
2012-08-12 07:50:09 PM  

vegasj: most transparent President & administration


I guess you have to take what fap material you can get - but it sure has been slim pickin's for you guys lately.
 
2012-08-12 07:59:34 PM  
The derp is amusing.

The "personal responsibility" folks, the ones who say that shiat happens in life and that it's not the government's place to provide for such contingencies, are screaming about the unfairness of a website glitch and the government not giving their petition extra time beyond the same 30 days that every other petition gets.

Cry me a river. Your tears...they nourish me.
 
2012-08-12 08:01:15 PM  
The deadline was the 9th, and the rules are the rules. There was a scramble to get a bunch of signatures before the clock struck midnight on that date, and it looked like it might succeed. But the petition was pulled at 11:30 AM. But the 9th was announced as the deadline, and the rules are the rules...everyone knew the 9th was the deadline.

Likewise, everyone knows the deadline for filing taxes is April 15th. Every year, thousands if not millions rush at the last minute to get their returns filed before the end of that date. Next year, what if the IRS decides, on the 15th, that it is going to set the deadline time to 11:30 AM, without actually telling anyone in advance? But the deadline is the 15th, so that makes it okay, right? The rules are the rules, right? Enjoy your fine.
 
2012-08-12 08:02:29 PM  

jso2897: I guess you have to take what fap material you can get - but it sure has been slim pickin's for you guys lately.


Really? Beside Healthcare "reform", name some of his campaign promises he has kept.

 
2012-08-12 08:04:33 PM  

vegasj: jso2897: I guess you have to take what fap material you can get - but it sure has been slim pickin's for you guys lately.

Really? Beside Healthcare "reform", name some of his campaign promises he has kept.


BSABSVR

Got it!
 
2012-08-12 08:19:28 PM  

vygramul: thamike: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x800]

In training camps around the country, Young Republicans as young as six are conditioned to hone their knee-jerk outrage capabilities.

dafuq? What is that? What'd I miss?


It's a Chinese kid getting trained for the Olympics, according to the Daily Mail.
 
2012-08-12 08:27:57 PM  

OrangeSnapper: The deadline was the 9th, and the rules are the rules. There was a scramble to get a bunch of signatures before the clock struck midnight on that date, and it looked like it might succeed. But the petition was pulled at 11:30 AM. But the 9th was announced as the deadline, and the rules are the rules...everyone knew the 9th was the deadline.

Likewise, everyone knows the deadline for filing taxes is April 15th. Every year, thousands if not millions rush at the last minute to get their returns filed before the end of that date. Next year, what if the IRS decides, on the 15th, that it is going to set the deadline time to 11:30 AM, without actually telling anyone in advance? But the deadline is the 15th, so that makes it okay, right? The rules are the rules, right? Enjoy your fine.


When you're dealing with a computer, "the 9th" is that moment when 8/8/2102 at 11:59:59 becomes 8/9/2012 00:00:00. That is now "the 9th". So "midnight of the 9th" means that it expires--at least as far as the computer is concerned, and possibly the people who determined this--when midnight on the 8th becomes the 9th. Where people get into trouble is assuming that "midnight on the 9th" meant "midnight OF the 9th." These are two different concepts, at least on paper and in the computer.

Your IRS example is wrong, because you can send your returns in anytime up to the 16th (i.e., midnight OF the 15th). Even if what you meant to say was they extended the deadline to 11:30 a.m. on the 16th and not tell anyone, it would not matter because you HAVE until the 16th (at midnight) to get your returns in, and only until the 16th. Extending the deadline unknown to anyone would not matter.

No: what happened here is that the petition expired as of 00:00:00 on the 9th, and someone kindly gave them almost 12 extra hours to see if they could pull in the number of signatures. But they still didn't.
 
2012-08-12 08:33:53 PM  

OrangeSnapper: The deadline was the 9th, and the rules are the rules. There was a scramble to get a bunch of signatures before the clock struck midnight on that date, and it looked like it might succeed. But the petition was pulled at 11:30 AM. But the 9th was announced as the deadline, and the rules are the rules...everyone knew the 9th was the deadline.

Likewise, everyone knows the deadline for filing taxes is April 15th. Every year, thousands if not millions rush at the last minute to get their returns filed before the end of that date. Next year, what if the IRS decides, on the 15th, that it is going to set the deadline time to 11:30 AM, without actually telling anyone in advance? But the deadline is the 15th, so that makes it okay, right? The rules are the rules, right? Enjoy your fine.


Or maybe, just maybe, the petition was pulled 30 days from the date and time it was posted, just like every other petition is, and the people who posted it were mistaken when they thought they had until midnight? Just a thought.
 
2012-08-12 09:06:25 PM  

Party Boy: This was on reddit yesterday.

Here is what is on reddit today.Overly dramatic sensationalized subject gets over 2000 upvotes: "The White House has removed a petition about the TSA airport screening procedures from the White House "We the People" website. About 22,500 of the 25,000 signatures necessary for a response from the Administration had been obtained."
hmm.. that's weird of them.. So.. why would they do that?
[2] Answer found in comments all the way at the bottom.
They only had until the 9th to get the required signatures. Come on guys.
TL;DR: Reddit Politics foamed at mouth over White House taking down online petition as scheduled.


Just gonna quote this again for the yahoo Redditors that are going to come in and ruin everything.

/ducks
 
2012-08-12 09:28:23 PM  

HeartBurnKid: OrangeSnapper: The deadline was the 9th, and the rules are the rules. There was a scramble to get a bunch of signatures before the clock struck midnight on that date, and it looked like it might succeed. But the petition was pulled at 11:30 AM. But the 9th was announced as the deadline, and the rules are the rules...everyone knew the 9th was the deadline.

Likewise, everyone knows the deadline for filing taxes is April 15th. Every year, thousands if not millions rush at the last minute to get their returns filed before the end of that date. Next year, what if the IRS decides, on the 15th, that it is going to set the deadline time to 11:30 AM, without actually telling anyone in advance? But the deadline is the 15th, so that makes it okay, right? The rules are the rules, right? Enjoy your fine.

Or maybe, just maybe, the petition was pulled 30 days from the date and time it was posted, just like every other petition is, and the people who posted it were mistaken when they thought they had until midnight? Just a thought.


I said it: You said it better.
 
2012-08-12 09:37:24 PM  
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.
- William F. Buckley, Jr.
 
2012-08-12 11:15:43 PM  

Mrtraveler01: germ78: what's the point of ignore lists when everybody responds to the idiot I have ignored?

They do have a new feature which allows you to ignore posts that have non-ignored people quoting ignored people.


What the hell are you people doing arguing like idiots when you could be arguing about idiots and morons too?

/there is no f*ckin' money they are borrowin' from tomorrow to pay for yesterday's debts; they just bailed out all their corporate buddies, everybody has money but you
 
2012-08-13 02:40:41 AM  
both sides bad!

/duh

(D) or (R). it doesn't matter.

unsustainable wars
unsustainable economics
unsustainable social programs
eternal derp

ALL bipartisan
 
2012-08-13 02:25:23 PM  

Kid the Universe: both sides bad!

/duh

(D) or (R). it doesn't matter.

unsustainable wars
unsustainable economics
unsustainable social programs
eternal derp

ALL bipartisan


SO VOTE REPUBLICAN!
 
2012-08-13 11:14:17 PM  

Without Fail: Kid the Universe: both sides bad!

/duh

(D) or (R). it doesn't matter.

unsustainable wars
unsustainable economics
unsustainable social programs
eternal derp

ALL bipartisan

SO VOTE REPUBLICAN!


Without Fail: Kid the Universe: both sides bad!

/duh

(D) or (R). it doesn't matter.

unsustainable wars
unsustainable economics
unsustainable social programs
eternal derp

ALL bipartisan

SO VOTE REPUBLICAN!


i have never voted for either party in any election ever. if more people rejected the two-party trick then maybe we would have better leaders

keep toeing the party line there you dutiful slave
 
2012-08-13 11:21:06 PM  

Kid the Universe: if more people rejected the two-party trick then maybe we would have better leaders


If more people realized the two party system is an illusion and doesn't actually matter, we'd get past the "two party trick" mentality.
 
2012-08-14 06:20:01 AM  

vygramul: Kid the Universe: if more people rejected the two-party trick then maybe we would have better leaders

If more people realized the two party system is an illusion and doesn't actually matter, we'd get past the "two party trick" mentality.


The only reason it matters is mainly because of the overwhelming number of people who use it. So in essence, it really isn't an illusion so much as a construct of the people you claim are deluded. But they can't be, because it's right there. Your point is a self defeating argument, which sort of explains why the "third party makes everything okay trick" mentality has trouble sticking.
 
2012-08-14 10:24:57 AM  

thamike: vygramul: Kid the Universe: if more people rejected the two-party trick then maybe we would have better leaders

If more people realized the two party system is an illusion and doesn't actually matter, we'd get past the "two party trick" mentality.

The only reason it matters is mainly because of the overwhelming number of people who use it. So in essence, it really isn't an illusion so much as a construct of the people you claim are deluded. But they can't be, because it's right there. Your point is a self defeating argument, which sort of explains why the "third party makes everything okay trick" mentality has trouble sticking.


When a parliamentary system forms a government, you end up with, effectively, two sides: the coalition government, and the opposition. (Yes, yes, you can have single-parties being large enough to form the government on their own.) In effect, you end up with two parties. The differences are largely on where the negotiations take place. In the U.S. system, the negotiations take place within the two parties as to what the platforms will be. In the UK, the negotiation is more public. But in the end, the platform doesn't include issues that don't have enough support.

It's easy to get frustrated and think that, if only a third party was pushing a given agenda, it would manifest in government. But with only a few exceptions, they really wouldn't. The world of politics is the world of the high school clique, and it is tremendously disappointing to go into it as an idealist - but the two-party system is not the problem.
 
2012-08-14 05:58:01 PM  

vygramul: but the two-party system is not the problem.


That's what I said. i guess that's what you said.
 
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