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2012-08-11 04:37:50 PM  
So, dumbass doesn't follow the law, gets punished. End of story.
 
2012-08-11 04:41:39 PM  
Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.
 
2012-08-11 04:47:57 PM  

Asa Phelps: Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.


And they are much more complicated out West than in the East. West of 100W, water rights change from local use to first use - the older your claim is, you get first use of water, so while you have a claim, it doesn't mean you'll get to use it until other people reach their quota first. So yes, this guy was breaking the law by intercepting rainfall.
 
2012-08-11 04:54:06 PM  
Harrington was found guilty two weeks ago of breaking a 1925 law

It's only been on the books 87 years; maybe it caught him by surprise.
 
2012-08-11 05:52:50 PM  
Colorado passed laws legalizing rainwater collection in 2009. A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never made it to a stream anyway; it evaporated or was absorbed by plants.

Link
 
2012-08-11 05:52:58 PM  
Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.
 
2012-08-11 06:01:43 PM  

Donnchadha: they wanted to get him in trouble?


Hey look, it's selective interpretation of the facts biased around your own opinion that has no evidence of appearing true.

Those damn incompetent government officials who can't do anything with their massive power who choose to destroy your life that they suddenly only exercise on conservatives.
 
2012-08-11 06:16:51 PM  
link is farked already
 
2012-08-11 06:18:32 PM  

GAT_00: Donnchadha: they wanted to get him in trouble?

Hey look, it's selective interpretation of the facts biased around your own opinion that has no evidence of appearing true.

Those damn incompetent government officials who can't do anything with their massive power who choose to destroy your life that they suddenly only exercise on conservatives.


FTFA:

Harrington said: "They issued me my permits. I had my permits in hand and they retracted them just arbitrarily, basically. They took them back and said 'No, you can't have them,' so I've been fighting it ever since."

That's the way the story reads, which is why I think there's more to the story than what's in that rather brief article.
 
2012-08-11 06:43:41 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-11 07:00:04 PM  
A man's flesh I'd his own; the water belongs to the tribe.
 
2012-08-11 07:08:20 PM  

Donnchadha: That's the way the story reads, which is why I think there's more to the story than what's in that rather brief article.


Yeah, I'm sure this guy wouldn't say something like that. But you go ahead and read what you want pumpkin, you've already made up your mind haven't you?
 
2012-08-11 07:43:15 PM  
He's an excellent driver.
 
2012-08-11 07:44:52 PM  
Hey, this worked for King George.
 
2012-08-11 07:45:13 PM  
Farked already?
 
2012-08-11 07:46:14 PM  
An article that cites Pat Robertson's news service does not leave a good taste in my mouth.

Tea party gibberish. Wait till they learn they don't own the mineral rights either.
 
2012-08-11 07:47:27 PM  
FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.
 
2012-08-11 07:47:46 PM  
I need to know how much he was collecting before I have an opinion. If it was 3 55-gallon drums at the bottom of his downspouts, then the government is way out of line. If he had 3 50,000 gallon tanks buried, then that could be a problem.... 150,000 gallons represents almost 20 seconds of flow through a fast moving creek, for the love of god. Hang him for that. The monster. Worse than hitler, that one.
 
2012-08-11 07:52:53 PM  
I think this is the guy that had a bunch of illegal dams on his property with huge resevors. Not exactly a couple rainbarrels.
 
2012-08-11 07:53:43 PM  
From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.


Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.
 
2012-08-11 07:54:30 PM  
Then I will sue the state of Oregon for the damage that its water has been doing to my roof for damn near seven years now.
 
2012-08-11 07:54:56 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.


Which water-rights usage does Oregon use? Some states-most western states--disallow any interference with surface water flow because of the effects such diversion has on the neighbors. Some states do allow such interference since water flow impacts the owner's own property.

Nobody seems to be explaining which usage Oregon follows, which would answer most of these questions right out of the gate.
 
2012-08-11 07:56:28 PM  

TabASlotB: While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps


So much for the headline.
 
2012-08-11 07:58:00 PM  
I've been following this case for awhile because I've always wanted a house with a big pond in the backyard.

I mean, could I go to jail because I like bugs and frogs making a little noise in the evening?
 
2012-08-11 07:58:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: That is the State's water dumbarse.


Depends on what your definition of "is" is.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:11 PM  

Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.


Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:11 PM  
Want to collect rainwater? Set up a 24' swimming pool, let the rain fill it. Anyone says anything, it's just a pool.
24' x 54" deep is about 13,000 gallons.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:29 PM  

Coelacanth: I've been following this case for awhile because I've always wanted a house with a big pond in the backyard.

I mean, could I go to jail because I like bugs and frogs making a little noise in the evening?


If you do it with rainwater, and not by damming a river, you're probably OK.
 
2012-08-11 08:01:07 PM  
Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?
 
2012-08-11 08:01:45 PM  

GORDON: I need to know how much he was collecting before I have an opinion. If it was 3 55-gallon drums at the bottom of his downspouts, then the government is way out of line. If he had 3 50,000 gallon tanks buried, then that could be a problem.... 150,000 gallons represents almost 20 seconds of flow through a fast moving creek, for the love of god. Hang him for that. The monster. Worse than hitler, that one.


GOR-DON I SPEAK THROUGH YOU WHILE I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY IN THE SHADOWS OF A
SKITTLES RAINBOW. DO THE DEW AND PROSPER. MY WORD IS AS GOOD AS THAT RAIN WATER.
TO COME IS MORE WISE OPINIONS. YOU ARE MY VESSEL.
BYE-GOOD NOW FOR
 
2012-08-11 08:02:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Pray 4 Mojo: FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.

Which water-rights usage does Oregon use? Some states-most western states--disallow any interference with surface water flow because of the effects such diversion has on the neighbors. Some states do allow such interference since water flow impacts the owner's own property.

Nobody seems to be explaining which usage Oregon follows, which would answer most of these questions right out of the gate.


Answered above. You can only take as much water out of a stream as you're permitted for/have water rights for.

/Owns acreage in the rural west.
//Has water rights.
///Farmers/ranchers take that shiat SERIOUSLY
 
2012-08-11 08:04:25 PM  

Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.


so very, and typically often, this...
*sigh*
 
2012-08-11 08:04:26 PM  
Meanwhile my town sells rain barrels.

/east coast FTW
 
2012-08-11 08:04:53 PM  

Asa Phelps: Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.


This.

I've lived in places where homeowners are strictly prohibited from collecting rainwater. From what I understand, run-off rain is expected to recharge local aquifers.
 
2012-08-11 08:06:48 PM  
The ponds in question (approximately 40 acres).

Apparently there are a large number of other ponds in the area. It's not at all clear why the person's ponds are not allowed.
 
2012-08-11 08:07:04 PM  

Fade2black: Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


Pssst.... you don't know what you're talking about.
 
2012-08-11 08:08:50 PM  
The guy wasn't collecting rainwater...He built freaking dams and made his own dang lake. The guy is a farking dipsch1t and should be forced to do hard labor while serving time....tearing down the illegal dams he built so he could have a fishing pond in his yard.
 
2012-08-11 08:10:13 PM  

Thrakkorzog: Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?


You first
 
2012-08-11 08:11:07 PM  

Fade2black: Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.

Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


I woulda thought small government libs would have issue with bad science laws too...
 
2012-08-11 08:11:15 PM  

Fade2black: Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.

Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


Conservation =/ damming creeks and depriving downstream landowners of their water rights.

Sounds like he may have misrepresented the nature of the dams he built. A flood-control levee may be fine, but building it across the creek instead of alongside is a no-no.
 
2012-08-11 08:15:06 PM  
For those of you that don't understand what's going on here, Oregon was divided up a long time ago between out of state liberals and Weyerhaeuser lumber. It's a simple arrangement, the lefties get to go there for college and then transform the place into the West Coast franchise of New England while Weyerhaeuser gets protection from mining interests and ever more restrictive timber laws which its smaller competitors cannot handle the cost of complying with.

Say you want to buy some land and build a house? You don't even get to pretend to own your land in Oregon, because a bureaucrat tells you how much of it has to be replanted to comply with the Oregon state timber tax - you get taxed based on projected board feet and to keep your building permit you do whatever the dweeb says or your new log cabin gets torn down.

The Oregon Land Use Commission has exactly one goal, to herd people into population centers, and as such they will do whatever they can to make life miserable for those that would rather live outside city limits.
 
2012-08-11 08:15:47 PM  
I wonder what this guy would think if the property owner upstream from him built a 20ft high dam and blocked all "His rainwater" from flowing onto this fools land.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:12 PM  
I would have thought TabASlotB's post would have ended the derping but...nope.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:13 PM  
He's pissed somebody off, for sure. We need pics and more info.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:53 PM  
Forgot to mention, I'm from Lane County.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:55 PM  

enry: Meanwhile my town sells rain barrels.

/east coast FTW


They sell those in Oregon, too. And if this guy had simply dug a hole on his property and filled it with rainwater, then there wouldn't be a problem, and he would have a legal fishing pond.
 
2012-08-11 08:17:31 PM  

crispyone: Thrakkorzog: Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?

You first


I am good. i am wearing my government issued stillsuit and put my water with the collective. Oxy permit...well I haven't been caught yet.
 
2012-08-11 08:17:35 PM  
Stupid law is stupid, but does not mean that you get a free ride.

Lobby your state congress if you want it to change. That is the democratic way.
 
2012-08-11 08:19:16 PM  

lenfromak: Then I will sue the state of Oregon for the damage that its water has been doing to my roof for damn near seven years now.


Why stop there, file a Class action lawsuit on behalf of every resident of the state for all damages, injuries and deaths caused by rains, flooding, run-off, hail, ice and snow.

If the state owns it, they are responsible for it.
 
2012-08-11 08:20:30 PM  
Diverting creeks and rivers?

Bad. Got it.

Arresting a motherfarker for having a pond on their private property out in the country created by collecting water falling from the sky?

Not so much.
 
2012-08-11 08:21:03 PM  
I should send this article to my friend who seems to think he's going to get away with doing something similar.
 
2012-08-11 08:21:54 PM  
Don't want to go to jail?

29.media.tumblr.com

Stop breaking the law, asshole!!
 
2012-08-11 08:21:59 PM  

cman: Stupid law is stupid


No it isn't.
 
2012-08-11 08:24:13 PM  

Sabyen91: I would have thought TabASlotB's post would have ended the derping but...nope.


It's Fark: many are called, but few read and comprehend.
 
2012-08-11 08:26:34 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.


If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?
 
2012-08-11 08:28:18 PM  

Psylent1: lenfromak: Then I will sue the state of Oregon for the damage that its water has been doing to my roof for damn near seven years now.

Why stop there, file a Class action lawsuit on behalf of every resident of the state for all damages, injuries and deaths caused by rains, flooding, run-off, hail, ice and snow.

If the state owns it, they are responsible for it.


this pretty mutch
 
2012-08-11 08:29:19 PM  
Rage against laws making it illegal to collect rainwater is probably one of the few things I agree with conservatives on. Wtf?
 
2012-08-11 08:29:57 PM  
Water Resources Department Official Press Release

That changes my opinion about the story a bit.
 
2012-08-11 08:30:07 PM  

cman: Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.

If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?


That would be a pretty stupid law. But that's not the law.
 
2012-08-11 08:30:33 PM  

cman: Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.

If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?


You should read up on water rights in the West. There's a reason this is illegal.
 
2012-08-11 08:31:22 PM  

cman: Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.

If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?


He was sent to jail for unpermitted dams. Try to keep up.
 
2012-08-11 08:32:50 PM  
Oh great, the internet is going to debate water rights laws in Oregon.

You guys have fun with that.
 
2012-08-11 08:32:52 PM  
Always love a TFA where they push a sob story which is a goddamn bunch of lies, and then commenters actually post the reality of the situation. Basically do the reporters' jobs.
 
2012-08-11 08:33:40 PM  

telaran: Water Resources Department Official Press Release

That changes my opinion about the story a bit.


He built a 20 foot tall dam?
 
2012-08-11 08:34:03 PM  

Oznog: Always love a TFA where they push a sob story which is a goddamn bunch of lies, and then commenters actually post the reality of the situation. Basically do the reporters' jobs.


But none of us is trying to pump link counts by lying or overstating the case. None of us is a tea bagging nitwit in rural Oregon either.

// Looks around for GaryPDX
 
2012-08-11 08:34:04 PM  
Kinda reminds me of Las Vegas and the diverting of the Colorado River... on a much smaller scale.
 
2012-08-11 08:34:34 PM  

Generation_D: Oh great, the internet is going to debate water rights laws in Oregon.

You guys have fun with that.


I think there's a bunch of people in here who have no idea that water rights are completely different out west.
 
2012-08-11 08:35:21 PM  

Generation_D: Oznog: Always love a TFA where they push a sob story which is a goddamn bunch of lies, and then commenters actually post the reality of the situation. Basically do the reporters' jobs.

But none of us is trying to pump link counts by lying or overstating the case. None of us is a tea bagging nitwit in rural Oregon either.

// Looks around for GaryPDX


Hey, maybe this was our Gary. The story is about a guy named Gary.
 
2012-08-11 08:37:23 PM  

GAT_00: telaran: Water Resources Department Official Press Release

That changes my opinion about the story a bit.

He built a 20 foot tall dam?


That would be cool if he'd done it right. Too bad for him he didn't.
 
2012-08-11 08:38:38 PM  

GAT_00: Yeah, I'm sure this guy wouldn't say something like that. But you go ahead and read what you want pumpkin, you've already made up your mind haven't you?


It's certainly not as cut and dried as "So, dumbass doesn't follow the law, gets punished. End of story."

He got a permit, the government rescinded it. It's analogous to the government giving you a permit to build a house, then ordering you to tear it down.

There could be valid reasons for the rescission. There could also be abuse of governmental power. This article says nothing to indicate the guy's a dumbass or that the government is in the wrong.
 
2012-08-11 08:40:54 PM  

GAT_00: telaran: Water Resources Department Official Press Release

That changes my opinion about the story a bit.

He built a 20 foot tall dam?


Yup, and the "rainwater" he has stored in his "ponds" is equivalent to the water in 20 olympic-sized swimming pools. The Medford area (which Eagle Point is a part of - about 15 miles away) gets about 18 inches of precip. as rain per year, The climate doesn't really support large, open ponds that form just from rainwater unless they have some other source of water flowing into them.
 
2012-08-11 08:42:04 PM  

Babwa Wawa: GAT_00: Yeah, I'm sure this guy wouldn't say something like that. But you go ahead and read what you want pumpkin, you've already made up your mind haven't you?

It's certainly not as cut and dried as "So, dumbass doesn't follow the law, gets punished. End of story."

He got a permit, the government rescinded it. It's analogous to the government giving you a permit to build a house, then ordering you to tear it down.

There could be valid reasons for the rescission. There could also be abuse of governmental power. This article says nothing to indicate the guy's a dumbass or that the government is in the wrong.


He plead guilty years ago. Then he does it again. The guy reminds me of that asshole who built a church on his property when all he had a permit for a shed.
 
2012-08-11 08:47:47 PM  

TabASlotB: From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.

Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.


Well that about settles that. Thanks for the pertinent information.
 
2012-08-11 08:48:39 PM  
Conservatives: love going to war with brown people in other countries.

Liberals: love farking their fellow countrymen over when it comes to the private property of their fellow countrymen.
 
2012-08-11 08:48:45 PM  
Oregon can burn in hell for all I care

/heard about these stories years ago by multiple persons in the ag business.
/
 
2012-08-11 08:50:49 PM  

Babwa Wawa: It's analogous to the government giving you a permit to build a house, then ordering you to tear it down.

There could be valid reasons for the rescission. There could also be abuse of governmental power. This article says nothing to indicate the guy's a dumbass or that the government is in the wrong.


***

On March 13, 2003, the department issued two final orders approving his applications for permits to use water in the existing impoundments. After issuing those orders, the department reversed its decision. On May 12, 2003, it issued final orders on reconsideration that withdrew the two previous final orders and denied the applications on the ground that there was no water available for petitioner's use. On the same day, the department also issued a third final order that denied the third application. The department based those actions on its conclusion that, in enacting ORS 538.430, the legislature had withdrawn the water at issue from appropriation other than for the City of Medford. Link

So the government realized it issued the permits in error and rescinded them after a short period of time, which is exactly what it should have done to fix the issue. That the guy continued breaking the law for almost 10 years is... well, yeah.
 
2012-08-11 08:51:20 PM  

Babwa Wawa: GAT_00: Yeah, I'm sure this guy wouldn't say something like that. But you go ahead and read what you want pumpkin, you've already made up your mind haven't you?

It's certainly not as cut and dried as "So, dumbass doesn't follow the law, gets punished. End of story."

He got a permit, the government rescinded it. It's analogous to the government giving you a permit to build a house, then ordering you to tear it down.

There could be valid reasons for the rescission. There could also be abuse of governmental power. This article says nothing to indicate the guy's a dumbass or that the government is in the wrong.


It is actually cut and dried, if you'd look up how water law works out West. You aren't simply allowed to collect water wherever you want.
 
2012-08-11 08:52:22 PM  
www.a1social.com

Well, this is supposed to be it- 1900 Crowfoot Rd, Eagle Point, OR

I do see the 3 ponds, but I don't see any dammed-up creek here. I don't see a creekbed. I don't see a bridge where it would cross the road either, so it can't be a significant waterway. I don't even see a culvert, but that might not show up on the map.

Hmm I see a couple of places which might be a dry wash, but not a "creek" or stream. They're not deep or eroded enough.
 
2012-08-11 09:09:38 PM  

Oznog: Well, this is supposed to be it- 1900 Crowfoot Rd, Eagle Point, OR

I do see the 3 ponds, but I don't see any dammed-up creek here. I don't see a creekbed. I don't see a bridge where it would cross the road either, so it can't be a significant waterway. I don't even see a culvert, but that might not show up on the map.

Hmm I see a couple of places which might be a dry wash, but not a "creek" or stream. They're not deep or eroded enough.


Out west, it is easy to find the creek. It is where the trees grow.
 
2012-08-11 09:09:52 PM  
Heh, Big Butte River.

It really is the simple things in life...
 
2012-08-11 09:09:52 PM  

Giltric: Conservatives: love going to war with brown people in other countries.

Liberals: love farking their fellow countrymen over when it comes to the private property of their fellow countrymen.


Giltric: Loves cherrypicking parts of stories to make 'the libs' look bad.

Dumbass in Oregon: thinks depriving people downstream of their water rights by making illegal dams would just go unnoticed.
 
2012-08-11 09:11:51 PM  

Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.


Yes there is. If you read some of the other articles it appears he has built dams to divert water flow into his reservoirs. We're not talking about a some residential house that is collecting rain water for gardening.
 
2012-08-11 09:12:27 PM  

Giltric: Liberals: love farking their fellow countrymen over when it comes to the private property of their fellow countrymen.


Laws like this are in place so we don't have local versions of, for example, the Colorado River. While property rights are awesome, they're less awesome if they let the people who build upriver of you take all the water you and the people down river used to rely on. Living in a west coast Mediterranean climate, a mid-latitude steppe or a desert - all places that have low rainfall and often rely on rivers fed from mountain snow melt and runoff - tends to change one's ideas about water and property (which is why the vast majority of the west treats water as belonging to the public and requires permitting, so governments can keep track of water allocation).
 
2012-08-11 09:15:22 PM  

LordJiro: depriving people downstream of their water rights


Вниз по течению люди не имеют права на воду, она принадлежит государству.

не правда ли?
 
2012-08-11 09:19:46 PM  
If they are >10' tall, they are dams. Dams are regulated. Google "Dam disasters."
 
2012-08-11 09:20:33 PM  

Oznog: [www.a1social.com image 479x382]

Well, this is supposed to be it- 1900 Crowfoot Rd, Eagle Point, OR

I do see the 3 ponds, but I don't see any dammed-up creek here. I don't see a creekbed. I don't see a bridge where it would cross the road either, so it can't be a significant waterway. I don't even see a culvert, but that might not show up on the map.

Hmm I see a couple of places which might be a dry wash, but not a "creek" or stream. They're not deep or eroded enough.


Too lazy to look into it further, but by your map... the 'creek' would follow the line of the tallest trees. Between the pond near the top and the left most pond whichever direction. The third pond is a fair bit shallower, if there is only one man made that's it.
 
2012-08-11 09:22:36 PM  
 
2012-08-11 09:25:15 PM  

TabASlotB: From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.

Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.


Soooo ya. Building dams and keeping thirteen MILLION gallons of water for one's self = bad. The article subby linked too kinda sorta left that out.
 
2012-08-11 09:29:19 PM  

Jarhead_h: For those of you that don't understand what's going on here, Oregon was divided up a long time ago between out of state liberals and Weyerhaeuser lumber. It's a simple arrangement, the lefties get to go there for college and then transform the place into the West Coast franchise of New England while Weyerhaeuser gets protection from mining interests and ever more restrictive timber laws which its smaller competitors cannot handle the cost of complying with.

Say you want to buy some land and build a house? You don't even get to pretend to own your land in Oregon, because a bureaucrat tells you how much of it has to be replanted to comply with the Oregon state timber tax - you get taxed based on projected board feet and to keep your building permit you do whatever the dweeb says or your new log cabin gets torn down.

The Oregon Land Use Commission has exactly one goal, to herd people into population centers, and as such they will do whatever they can to make life miserable for those that would rather live outside city limits.


A quick click of your profile says you are a Californicator. If you actually do have experience with this issue you were treated poorly because of your attitude. CA residents/transplants are hated in Oregon.
 
2012-08-11 09:29:36 PM  
The Oregon Water Resources Department, claims that Harrington has been violating the state's water use law by diverting water from streams running into the Big Butte River.


So what is the issue again?
 
2012-08-11 09:42:46 PM  

Giltric: LordJiro: depriving people downstream of their water rights

Вниз по течению люди не имеют права на воду, она принадлежит государству.

не правда ли?



זה מה שישראל אומרת.
 
2012-08-11 09:51:07 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Diverting creeks and rivers?

Bad. Got it.

Arresting a motherfarker for having a pond on their private property out in the country created by collecting water falling from the sky?

Not so much.


If he had diverted rainfall from rooftops or parking lots to fill an artificial pond dug on his property, no problem.

Instead, he built dams up to 20 feet high to collect natural surface runoff. Big problem.
 
2012-08-11 09:54:05 PM  

Amos Quito: Giltric: LordJiro: depriving people downstream of their water rights

Вниз по течению люди не имеют права на воду, она принадлежит государству.

не правда ли?


זה מה שישראל אומרת.


So? This is Oregon.
 
2012-08-11 10:00:06 PM  

LordJiro: Giltric: Conservatives: love going to war with brown people in other countries.

Liberals: love farking their fellow countrymen over when it comes to the private property of their fellow countrymen.

Giltric: Loves cherrypicking parts of stories to make 'the libs' look bad.

Dumbass in Oregon: thinks depriving people downstream of their water rights by making illegal dams would just go unnoticed.


Who is cherry picking? He's hardly trying to cast conservatives in a bright light.

Meanwhile, people complain about the use of water provided by water companies to water lawns, then those lawns go brown and they complain to HOAs because people aren't keeping their homes in the shape that the HOA prescribes,...

No matter who wins, the homeowner always loses.
 
2012-08-11 10:02:51 PM  
guy.com

YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! MOVE TO WHERE THE WATER IS!!!!
 
2012-08-11 10:09:32 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never


I stopped reading at the word "never."

BarkingUnicorn: Colorado passed laws legalizing rainwater collection in 2009. A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never made it to a stream anyway; it evaporated or was absorbed by plants.

Link


That study is based off of a pretty sh*tty place to do such a study, if trying to compare it to the whole of Colorado or the western US.
 
2012-08-11 10:14:21 PM  

shivashakti: [guy.com image 640x464]

YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! MOVE TO WHERE THE WATER IS!!!!


Western Oregon is a desert?
 
2012-08-11 10:14:35 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Jarhead_h: For those of you that don't understand what's going on here, Oregon was divided up a long time ago between out of state liberals and Weyerhaeuser lumber. It's a simple arrangement, the lefties get to go there for college and then transform the place into the West Coast franchise of New England while Weyerhaeuser gets protection from mining interests and ever more restrictive timber laws which its smaller competitors cannot handle the cost of complying with.

Say you want to buy some land and build a house? You don't even get to pretend to own your land in Oregon, because a bureaucrat tells you how much of it has to be replanted to comply with the Oregon state timber tax - you get taxed based on projected board feet and to keep your building permit you do whatever the dweeb says or your new log cabin gets torn down.

The Oregon Land Use Commission has exactly one goal, to herd people into population centers, and as such they will do whatever they can to make life miserable for those that would rather live outside city limits.

A quick click of your profile says you are a Californicator. If you actually do have experience with this issue you were treated poorly because of your attitude. CA residents/transplants are hated in Oregon.


Perhaps you flunked basic English, so let me repeat, I'm from, as in "native to" Lane County. My childhood home is just up Mosby Crick road outside Cottage Grove. My family goes back to before statehood, and the family mill is still there, but won't be after the grandparents die. Thanks to those insane land use laws, anything with a rural residential zoning that's been grandfathered in is worth WAY more than it should be, so the only scrap of dirt I've ever loved is going to be sold, so thank you SO MUCH for bringing all that back. California was the parents idea and I left it behind a long time ago(how long have I had this account?). However I'm currently typing at you from Lynchburg, Va, where the trees are wrong, the weather is lousy, and all the people look like they had their heads pounded in with a snowshovel. But the BBQ is awesome and there is a six deer limit hunting season, so it's not all bad.

And that story about the house, that's not mine, that's the grandparents.
 
2012-08-11 10:29:06 PM  
Guy claims he's collecting rain water runoff, which causes people to think he's got a few drums hooked up to his gutters.

Reality is he has three man made fishing ponds created by diverting local tributaries with three private dams, on a permit that was rescinded way before the dams were even close to being built.

Yeah, asshole needs to get more than a $1500 fine and 30 days in jail.

Sorry bub, but you don't own the waterway's on your property. Hundreds of years of property laws say you're a douche. You want a lake? Go buy property on a lake.
 
2012-08-11 10:29:09 PM  
Maybe the dams were built by beavers?

Dear Mr. Price:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County

Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.

My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern
that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first.

As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten


http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp
 
2012-08-11 10:32:22 PM  

puffy999: BarkingUnicorn: A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never

I stopped reading at the word "never." BarkingUnicorn: Colorado passed laws legalizing rainwater collection in 2009. A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never made it to a stream anyway; it evaporated or was absorbed by plants.

Link

That study is based off of a pretty sh*tty place to do such a study, if trying to compare it to the whole of Colorado or the western US.


I assume the study was done in Douglas County, which has lots of roofs, because the citizens there wanted to collect rainwater that fell on their roofs. The study showed that allowing them to do so would not deprive the rest of the State of much water.
 
2012-08-11 10:33:28 PM  

cman: Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.

If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?


How about diverting streams by building your own dams? Would a law preventing that be stupid?
 
2012-08-11 10:33:54 PM  
Welcome to Western US water laws.
 
2012-08-11 10:34:54 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: shivashakti: [guy.com image 640x464]

YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! MOVE TO WHERE THE WATER IS!!!!

Western Oregon is a desert?


The Rogue Valley/Medford area, where this guy lives, gets around 18 inches of rain per year, with 70% of that rain occurring between November and March, thanks the rain shadow of the Siskiyou Mountains (there are places where there's a bit more, such as Ashland, but that's at the far southern end of the valley). It's on the border of being semi-arid, and is pretty much nothing like the rest of Western Oregon in terms of rain (it's also often much hotter and clearer than the rest of the state, meaning evapotransipiration is high as well, though some Eastern Oregon towns can surpass it on occasion).
 
2012-08-11 10:35:55 PM  

raanne: I think this is the guy that had a bunch of illegal dams on his property with huge resevors. Not exactly a couple rainbarrels.


Yeah, the referenced articles and comments point out his 20' dams, retention ponds, and all sorts of other not-covered-by-permit goodies...I'm sure none of that had anything to do with it tho...
 
2012-08-11 10:41:55 PM  

crispyone: The guy wasn't collecting rainwater...He built freaking dams and made his own dang lake. The guy is a farking dipsch1t and should be forced to do hard labor while serving time....tearing down the illegal dams he built so he could have a fishing pond in his yard.


Or, you know, just pay a fine and work out a proper means of permitting it with the state..
 
2012-08-11 10:45:26 PM  

telaran: common sense is an oxymoron: shivashakti: [guy.com image 640x464]

YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! MOVE TO WHERE THE WATER IS!!!!

Western Oregon is a desert?

The Rogue Valley/Medford area, where this guy lives, gets around 18 inches of rain per year, with 70% of that rain occurring between November and March, thanks the rain shadow of the Siskiyou Mountains (there are places where there's a bit more, such as Ashland, but that's at the far southern end of the valley). It's on the border of being semi-arid, and is pretty much nothing like the rest of Western Oregon in terms of rain (it's also often much hotter and clearer than the rest of the state, meaning evapotransipiration is high as well, though some Eastern Oregon towns can surpass it on occasion).


Thanks for the clarification.

Although that makes the notion of these reservoirs being filled by rainwater directly, as opposed to diverted surface runoff, even more ridiculous.
 
2012-08-11 10:54:00 PM  

Generation_D: Oznog: Always love a TFA where they push a sob story which is a goddamn bunch of lies, and then commenters actually post the reality of the situation. Basically do the reporters' jobs.

But none of us is trying to pump link counts by lying or overstating the case. None of us is a tea bagging nitwit in rural Oregon either.

// Looks around for GaryPDX


To be fair, I see nowhere any ties or statements that suggests this guy is a member of the tea party, nor does he state anything about his political views.

He's simply a douchebag who dammed up some streams without a permit to do so, and thus invoked a major shiatstorm due to water rights and all sorts of BS.

The DNR here in michigan fought it out with a local lawyer who built a pond on his property in place of a swamp, because he didn't have a permit and he destroyed a natural wetland. Had to put it back, and pay massive fines. The guy was also a major liberal.

So, for once, can we please not turn this into a political mudslinging contest?
 
2012-08-11 11:02:49 PM  
From looking at the above map, I'd say he has three of the neatest rain-barrows imaginable for that part of the state.

"Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting."

Cadillac Desert
 
2012-08-11 11:11:37 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Thanks for the clarification.

Although that makes the notion of these reservoirs being filled by rainwater directly, as opposed to diverted surface runoff, even more ridiculous.


Indeed, it does.
 
2012-08-11 11:15:18 PM  

cig-mkr: Want to collect rainwater? Set up a 24' swimming pool, let the rain fill it. Anyone says anything, it's just a pool.
24' x 54" deep is about 13,000 gallons.


24' x 54" is zero gallons. A plane segment has no volume.

theinfosphere.org
 
2012-08-11 11:24:02 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Gyrfalcon: Pray 4 Mojo: FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.

Which water-rights usage does Oregon use? Some states-most western states--disallow any interference with surface water flow because of the effects such diversion has on the neighbors. Some states do allow such interference since water flow impacts the owner's own property.

Nobody seems to be explaining which usage Oregon follows, which would answer most of these questions right out of the gate.

Answered above. You can only take as much water out of a stream as you're permitted for/have water rights for.

/Owns acreage in the rural west.
//Has water rights.
///Farmers/ranchers take that shiat SERIOUSLY


This isn't a stream, though, it's what they call "ground water," (as in it runs over the ground I guess." And different states have different laws about how much rainfall can be diverted.
 
2012-08-11 11:30:46 PM  

TabASlotB: He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.


Come on, people. This guy is brazen. throw the book at him.
 
2012-08-11 11:49:45 PM  

TabASlotB: From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.

Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.


Don't clutter the conversation with actual facts.
 
2012-08-12 12:25:17 AM  
The farked up part is going to be when water management gets turned over to private companies and these laws remain in place. Who doesn't want to live in the world of Tank Girl?

Hypnozombie
 
2012-08-12 12:28:39 AM  
He didn't get arrested for collecting rainwater, he got arrested for diverting streams from a river.
 
2012-08-12 12:30:53 AM  

TabASlotB: From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.

Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.


Thank you for that.
 
2012-08-12 12:36:47 AM  

Fade2black: Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.

Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


Surprised there aren't more conservatives on the government's side. I mean, let's look at the immigration issue: we need MOAR GOV'MENT AGENTS because we have illegal immigrants in the country, and we have to punish them and send them back home because we're a nation of laws, and if people don't follow the laws, then where are you?
 
2012-08-12 12:47:56 AM  

enry: Meanwhile my town sells rain barrels.

/east coast FTW


My town gives away the barrels, you gotta install the spigot and whatnot yourself. I also get a water bill discount for the rain barrel and for taking a survey that got me declared 'river safe', a big portion of which was conserving water and using collected water.

/midwest college town
//stormwater runoff sucks
 
2012-08-12 12:50:01 AM  

TyrantII: Guy claims he's collecting rain water runoff, which causes people to think he's got a few drums hooked up to his gutters.

Reality is he has three man made fishing ponds created by diverting local tributaries with three private dams,
on a permit that was rescinded way before the dams were even close to being built.

Yeah, asshole needs to get more than a $1500 fine and 30 days in jail.

Sorry bub, but you don't own the waterway's on your property. Hundreds of years of property laws say you're a douche. You want a lake? Go buy property on a lake.


This.

We have a creek next to our house and briefly entertained the idea of figuring out how to water the garden from it. Fertilizer runoff, etc., issues aside, came to our senses pretty quickly that that would be a dick move for folks downstream, at least the water loving plants many have been tending by the creek anyway. So rain barrels it is.
 
2012-08-12 12:57:36 AM  
Surprisingly you aren't allowed to have a gigantic-ass dam on your property without a permit.
 
2012-08-12 01:00:35 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: My town gives away the barrels, you gotta install the spigot and whatnot yourself. I also get a water bill discount for the rain barrel and for taking a survey that got me declared 'river safe', a big portion of which was conserving water and using collected water.

/midwest college town
//stormwater runoff sucks


Portland has very similar programs. 30% off your sewage bill I think for handling runoff on your own yard, in barrels or just into the lawn. They'll give you barrels if you want to use it, otherwise just water the lawn and make sure it doesn't go down the storm system.
 
2012-08-12 01:00:54 AM  

TabASlotB: From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.

Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.


This. They've been trying to work with him to knock down those dams for about a decade. He was being an ass and keeping them up. Turns out if you're an ass about stealing state water they will eventually stop trying to order you to knock down the dams and start jailing your ass.

/ass
//I like asses
 
2012-08-12 01:02:36 AM  

cman: Pray 4 Mojo: cman: Stupid law is stupid

No it isn't.

If being sent to jail for collecting rain water isnt the definition of an idiotic law, then what is?


He was diverting a stream, not collecting rainwater from his roof. Big farking difference.
 
2012-08-12 01:07:29 AM  

Old enough to know better: Rage against laws making it illegal to collect rainwater is probably one of the few things I agree with conservatives on. Wtf?


It was 'rainwater' only in that the water was originally rained down on the land vs. well water. He diverted several streams and build three dams. That's not the same thing as collecting water off your roof and/or driveway.
 
2012-08-12 01:09:02 AM  

Chagrin: The ponds in question (approximately 40 acres).

Apparently there are a large number of other ponds in the area. It's not at all clear why the person's ponds are not allowed.


This is only an educated guess...but it is likely because those other land owners were grandfathered in, having diverted water from streams before the Endangered Species Act went into force. From the article: "Harrington has been violating the state's water use law by diverting water from streams" The subtext there is that the creek is probably considered a 'riparian corridor,' a fancy term meaning that it is considered a part of wildlife habitats. Less water, less plants & bugs, meaning less fish & frogs, meaning less prey for birds & four-legged critters. So he probably is outraged that his fellow Oregonians are challenging his divinely ordained personal Dominion over plants and animals. Including the ones downstream of him, apparently.

Sorry about the snarkiness. The power struggle over water diversions from the Sacramento River in California has me a tad sensitive on the subject.
 
2012-08-12 01:13:36 AM  

Coelacanth: I've been following this case for awhile because I've always wanted a house with a big pond in the backyard.

I mean, could I go to jail because I like bugs and frogs making a little noise in the evening?


I've followed it because I lived for a bit there, and will be heading back. Ponds create themselves in that part of the state. This guy is a bit of a conspiracy nut to the locals, in an area where "off beat" types are left alone. He somewhat followed the permitting process for water collection. I've followed it because I'd like to legally camp and pan for gold for fun in some of those valleys, and not have to deal with the shiatstorms people create. He's been on record as giving authority types the finger at council meetings and telling his neighbors to go to hell.

Water is around. It's not a desert. He could siphon his run off into a cistern or containment bladder and not hassle with much. But it doesn't rain so much that unless you damn up a river or have a year-around spring, water is always going to last. Even then, he'd have purity and clarity issues being that it gets over 100 degrees fairly often in summer there. All that storage in an open pond will be just green muck. No need to make the local water wars any worse.
 
2012-08-12 01:15:34 AM  
it could be this: imgboot.com

Can't tell if the possible creek/stream runs through underground pipe or what but it seems to be the only thing I can find on the map that looks like a dam. If he built a dam then he is in the wrong.
 
2012-08-12 01:28:42 AM  
Also looks like a dried up creek bed to the far side of the mucky airport.
 
2012-08-12 01:40:49 AM  

Fine I'll Join Fark: cig-mkr: Want to collect rainwater? Set up a 24' swimming pool, let the rain fill it. Anyone says anything, it's just a pool.
24' x 54" deep is about 13,000 gallons.

24' x 54" is zero gallons. A plane segment has no volume.

[theinfosphere.org image 850x478]


try 24' diameter X 54"
 
2012-08-12 01:48:58 AM  
If he wants free water he should do what I do: Steal his neighbors water.
 
2012-08-12 03:15:41 AM  

mikewadestr: If he wants free water he should do what I do: Steal his neighbors water.


You steal his neighbor's water?
 
2012-08-12 04:51:17 AM  

MasterBates: try 24' diameter X 54"


In that case, it's 15,200 gallons of water.
 
2012-08-12 10:21:10 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Heh, Big Butte River.

It really is the simple things in life...


I like Big Butte and I cannot lie.
 
2012-08-12 11:13:50 AM  

Sabyen91: I would have thought TabASlotB's post would have ended the derping but...nope.


Facts never get in the way of a good narrative, you know...
 
2012-08-12 01:36:24 PM  

GORDON: I need to know how much he was collecting before I have an opinion. If it was 3 55-gallon drums at the bottom of his downspouts, then the government is way out of line. If he had 3 50,000 gallon tanks buried, then that could be a problem.... 150,000 gallons represents almost 20 seconds of flow through a fast moving creek, for the love of god. Hang him for that. The monster. Worse than hitler, that one.


Close: EAGLE POINT - At 13 feet deep and well over an acre in size, one of Gary Harrington's three illegal reservoirs off Crowfoot Road looks more like a private playground than a rain-fed, backyard fire pond.

A fishing dock lined with rods and rod holders is tethered to shore near an outdoor barbecue. Boats line the bank. A fish feeder floats nearby, dispensing food to the illegally stocked largemouth bass Harrington says he bought from a Medford pet store.

It's a place where family and friends spend hot summer days and where wildfire rigs can hook up to a water line any time they need a refill, free of charge.

"The fish and the docks are icing on the cake," says Harrington, 63. "It's totally committed to fire suppression."

It's a story state police and water managers have heard for more than a decade and still consider irrelevant. Ditto for state courts that three times over an 11-year span have convicted Harrington of illegally storing water without a permit. On Wednesday, Harrington must report to the Jackson County Jail for a 30-day sentence for his latest conviction.

Jackson County Circuit Judge Timothy Gerking last month ordered Harrington to drain the ponds, breach the dams built to create them and pay $1,500 in fines.

More: Link
 
2012-08-12 02:37:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Colorado passed laws legalizing rainwater collection in 2009. A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never made it to a stream anyway; it evaporated or was absorbed by plants.


Meaning, you can collect the runoff from your roof. Diverting streams into reservoirs, as this clown was doing, is still a violation of the law.
 
2012-08-12 04:16:34 PM  

Thrakkorzog: it could be this: [imgboot.com image 663x600]

Can't tell if the possible creek/stream runs through underground pipe or what but it seems to be the only thing I can find on the map that looks like a dam. If he built a dam then he is in the wrong.


No, that whole lighter green block on the north-nw side of the pond is the dam, it's almost 1/3rd the perimeter. Its height doesn't show on the map. It's green because you have to plant grass and keep it watered/fertilized to avoid erosion down the slope.

You'e looking at the SPILLWAY- when you get enough water to overfill the lake, you can't have the water topping the dam. This will cause erosion and lead to a breech of the dam, also the force on the dam gets much higher when overfilled. The spillway is a drain at the max water level of the dam. It is always reinforced with concrete or rubble to resist erosion.
 
2012-08-12 09:57:01 PM  
Public water usage aside and even if you're not getting the whole story on this guy, only the short-sighted would root for this guy knowing he was collecting enough water on his property to build ponds. Not singular. Even a singular pond could mean millions of gallons of water. With this guy thumbing his nose at the gubment, you can bet he would resort to simple earthen dams; the kind that fail.

Anyone who's seen the result of a failed earthen dam and the resultant blame-game dance between the owner and the government would already be twitching nervously over this story.
 
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