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2012-08-11 04:37:50 PM  
So, dumbass doesn't follow the law, gets punished. End of story.
 
2012-08-11 04:41:39 PM  
Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.
 
2012-08-11 04:47:57 PM  

Asa Phelps: Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.


And they are much more complicated out West than in the East. West of 100W, water rights change from local use to first use - the older your claim is, you get first use of water, so while you have a claim, it doesn't mean you'll get to use it until other people reach their quota first. So yes, this guy was breaking the law by intercepting rainfall.
 
2012-08-11 04:54:06 PM  
Harrington was found guilty two weeks ago of breaking a 1925 law

It's only been on the books 87 years; maybe it caught him by surprise.
 
2012-08-11 05:52:50 PM  
Colorado passed laws legalizing rainwater collection in 2009. A study revealed that 97% of rainwater never made it to a stream anyway; it evaporated or was absorbed by plants.

Link
 
2012-08-11 05:52:58 PM  
Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.
 
2012-08-11 06:01:43 PM  

Donnchadha: they wanted to get him in trouble?


Hey look, it's selective interpretation of the facts biased around your own opinion that has no evidence of appearing true.

Those damn incompetent government officials who can't do anything with their massive power who choose to destroy your life that they suddenly only exercise on conservatives.
 
2012-08-11 06:16:51 PM  
link is farked already
 
2012-08-11 06:18:32 PM  

GAT_00: Donnchadha: they wanted to get him in trouble?

Hey look, it's selective interpretation of the facts biased around your own opinion that has no evidence of appearing true.

Those damn incompetent government officials who can't do anything with their massive power who choose to destroy your life that they suddenly only exercise on conservatives.


FTFA:

Harrington said: "They issued me my permits. I had my permits in hand and they retracted them just arbitrarily, basically. They took them back and said 'No, you can't have them,' so I've been fighting it ever since."

That's the way the story reads, which is why I think there's more to the story than what's in that rather brief article.
 
2012-08-11 06:43:41 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-11 07:00:04 PM  
A man's flesh I'd his own; the water belongs to the tribe.
 
2012-08-11 07:08:20 PM  

Donnchadha: That's the way the story reads, which is why I think there's more to the story than what's in that rather brief article.


Yeah, I'm sure this guy wouldn't say something like that. But you go ahead and read what you want pumpkin, you've already made up your mind haven't you?
 
2012-08-11 07:43:15 PM  
He's an excellent driver.
 
2012-08-11 07:44:52 PM  
Hey, this worked for King George.
 
2012-08-11 07:45:13 PM  
Farked already?
 
2012-08-11 07:46:14 PM  
An article that cites Pat Robertson's news service does not leave a good taste in my mouth.

Tea party gibberish. Wait till they learn they don't own the mineral rights either.
 
2012-08-11 07:47:27 PM  
FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.
 
2012-08-11 07:47:46 PM  
I need to know how much he was collecting before I have an opinion. If it was 3 55-gallon drums at the bottom of his downspouts, then the government is way out of line. If he had 3 50,000 gallon tanks buried, then that could be a problem.... 150,000 gallons represents almost 20 seconds of flow through a fast moving creek, for the love of god. Hang him for that. The monster. Worse than hitler, that one.
 
2012-08-11 07:52:53 PM  
I think this is the guy that had a bunch of illegal dams on his property with huge resevors. Not exactly a couple rainbarrels.
 
2012-08-11 07:53:43 PM  
From a more informative source:

An Eagle Point man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in prison for constructing three illegal reservoirs of water on his property, officials from the Oregon Water Resources Department said.

Gary Harrington was convicted on nine counts of water misuse after he built dams to collect water from channels that would have flowed into a local river.

In a press release about the charges OWRD said that he had constructed two 10-foot dams and one 20-foot dam, and had enough water stored up to fill 20 Olympic-sized pools. He also constructed boat docks to run boats in the reservoirs and stocked them with fish for recreational fishing.

While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps, property owners need to obtain permits before altering or collecting flowing bodies of water.


Further information in the article states that the Oregon Water Resources Department has been been trying to get this guy to follow the laws since 2002.
 
2012-08-11 07:54:30 PM  
Then I will sue the state of Oregon for the damage that its water has been doing to my roof for damn near seven years now.
 
2012-08-11 07:54:56 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.


Which water-rights usage does Oregon use? Some states-most western states--disallow any interference with surface water flow because of the effects such diversion has on the neighbors. Some states do allow such interference since water flow impacts the owner's own property.

Nobody seems to be explaining which usage Oregon follows, which would answer most of these questions right out of the gate.
 
2012-08-11 07:56:28 PM  

TabASlotB: While it is legal to collect rainwater off of surfaces like roofs or tarps


So much for the headline.
 
2012-08-11 07:58:00 PM  
I've been following this case for awhile because I've always wanted a house with a big pond in the backyard.

I mean, could I go to jail because I like bugs and frogs making a little noise in the evening?
 
2012-08-11 07:58:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: That is the State's water dumbarse.


Depends on what your definition of "is" is.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:11 PM  

Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.


Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:11 PM  
Want to collect rainwater? Set up a 24' swimming pool, let the rain fill it. Anyone says anything, it's just a pool.
24' x 54" deep is about 13,000 gallons.
 
2012-08-11 08:00:29 PM  

Coelacanth: I've been following this case for awhile because I've always wanted a house with a big pond in the backyard.

I mean, could I go to jail because I like bugs and frogs making a little noise in the evening?


If you do it with rainwater, and not by damming a river, you're probably OK.
 
2012-08-11 08:01:07 PM  
Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?
 
2012-08-11 08:01:45 PM  

GORDON: I need to know how much he was collecting before I have an opinion. If it was 3 55-gallon drums at the bottom of his downspouts, then the government is way out of line. If he had 3 50,000 gallon tanks buried, then that could be a problem.... 150,000 gallons represents almost 20 seconds of flow through a fast moving creek, for the love of god. Hang him for that. The monster. Worse than hitler, that one.


GOR-DON I SPEAK THROUGH YOU WHILE I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY IN THE SHADOWS OF A
SKITTLES RAINBOW. DO THE DEW AND PROSPER. MY WORD IS AS GOOD AS THAT RAIN WATER.
TO COME IS MORE WISE OPINIONS. YOU ARE MY VESSEL.
BYE-GOOD NOW FOR
 
2012-08-11 08:02:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Pray 4 Mojo: FTA - "But Harrington says he is not diverting the state's water -- merely collecting rainwater and snow melt that falls or flows on his own property."

That is the State's water dumbarse.

Which water-rights usage does Oregon use? Some states-most western states--disallow any interference with surface water flow because of the effects such diversion has on the neighbors. Some states do allow such interference since water flow impacts the owner's own property.

Nobody seems to be explaining which usage Oregon follows, which would answer most of these questions right out of the gate.


Answered above. You can only take as much water out of a stream as you're permitted for/have water rights for.

/Owns acreage in the rural west.
//Has water rights.
///Farmers/ranchers take that shiat SERIOUSLY
 
2012-08-11 08:04:25 PM  

Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.


so very, and typically often, this...
*sigh*
 
2012-08-11 08:04:26 PM  
Meanwhile my town sells rain barrels.

/east coast FTW
 
2012-08-11 08:04:53 PM  

Asa Phelps: Water rights are a complex legal issue, but he did in fact break the law, and that law is not unusual. certainly not in the west.


This.

I've lived in places where homeowners are strictly prohibited from collecting rainwater. From what I understand, run-off rain is expected to recharge local aquifers.
 
2012-08-11 08:06:48 PM  
The ponds in question (approximately 40 acres).

Apparently there are a large number of other ponds in the area. It's not at all clear why the person's ponds are not allowed.
 
2012-08-11 08:07:04 PM  

Fade2black: Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


Pssst.... you don't know what you're talking about.
 
2012-08-11 08:08:50 PM  
The guy wasn't collecting rainwater...He built freaking dams and made his own dang lake. The guy is a farking dipsch1t and should be forced to do hard labor while serving time....tearing down the illegal dams he built so he could have a fishing pond in his yard.
 
2012-08-11 08:10:13 PM  

Thrakkorzog: Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?


You first
 
2012-08-11 08:11:07 PM  

Fade2black: Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.

Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


I woulda thought small government libs would have issue with bad science laws too...
 
2012-08-11 08:11:15 PM  

Fade2black: Donnchadha: Apparently he had the proper permits first, but they were rescinded when they wanted to get him in trouble?

There's much more to this story than was reported.

Not really surprised the MOAR GOV'MENT Libs aren't on this guy's side. You'd think someone trying to conserve would be a kind and decent human being. But instead we assume an 87 year old law based on bad physics is what passes for normal these days.


Conservation =/ damming creeks and depriving downstream landowners of their water rights.

Sounds like he may have misrepresented the nature of the dams he built. A flood-control levee may be fine, but building it across the creek instead of alongside is a no-no.
 
2012-08-11 08:15:06 PM  
For those of you that don't understand what's going on here, Oregon was divided up a long time ago between out of state liberals and Weyerhaeuser lumber. It's a simple arrangement, the lefties get to go there for college and then transform the place into the West Coast franchise of New England while Weyerhaeuser gets protection from mining interests and ever more restrictive timber laws which its smaller competitors cannot handle the cost of complying with.

Say you want to buy some land and build a house? You don't even get to pretend to own your land in Oregon, because a bureaucrat tells you how much of it has to be replanted to comply with the Oregon state timber tax - you get taxed based on projected board feet and to keep your building permit you do whatever the dweeb says or your new log cabin gets torn down.

The Oregon Land Use Commission has exactly one goal, to herd people into population centers, and as such they will do whatever they can to make life miserable for those that would rather live outside city limits.
 
2012-08-11 08:15:47 PM  
I wonder what this guy would think if the property owner upstream from him built a 20ft high dam and blocked all "His rainwater" from flowing onto this fools land.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:12 PM  
I would have thought TabASlotB's post would have ended the derping but...nope.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:13 PM  
He's pissed somebody off, for sure. We need pics and more info.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:53 PM  
Forgot to mention, I'm from Lane County.
 
2012-08-11 08:16:55 PM  

enry: Meanwhile my town sells rain barrels.

/east coast FTW


They sell those in Oregon, too. And if this guy had simply dug a hole on his property and filled it with rainwater, then there wouldn't be a problem, and he would have a legal fishing pond.
 
2012-08-11 08:17:31 PM  

crispyone: Thrakkorzog: Well gee.. the atmosphere over his property contains oxygen and that is public as well so I guess he should stop breathing until he has the proper permits?

You first


I am good. i am wearing my government issued stillsuit and put my water with the collective. Oxy permit...well I haven't been caught yet.
 
2012-08-11 08:17:35 PM  
Stupid law is stupid, but does not mean that you get a free ride.

Lobby your state congress if you want it to change. That is the democratic way.
 
2012-08-11 08:19:16 PM  

lenfromak: Then I will sue the state of Oregon for the damage that its water has been doing to my roof for damn near seven years now.


Why stop there, file a Class action lawsuit on behalf of every resident of the state for all damages, injuries and deaths caused by rains, flooding, run-off, hail, ice and snow.

If the state owns it, they are responsible for it.
 
2012-08-11 08:20:30 PM  
Diverting creeks and rivers?

Bad. Got it.

Arresting a motherfarker for having a pond on their private property out in the country created by collecting water falling from the sky?

Not so much.
 
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