relcec: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-v io lent-crime-capital-of-Europe.htmlThe figures were sourced from Eurostat, the European Commission's database of statistics. They are gathered using official sources in the countries concerned such as the national statistics office, the national prison administration, ministries of the interior or justice, and police. A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
PsiChick: poe_zlaw: I dont see why the US just doesnt split up. Like Europe but with more crime.[suzieqq.files.wordpress.com image 600x368]I'd appreciate NV not being lumped in with Arizona and Utah. We're really pretty decent people.
Frederf: Note quizzical expression on school administrators' faces when they were told that their students have civil rights to violate.
Gyrfalcon: just_intonation: Gyrfalcon: What happened to detention?I meant to answer this specifically... detention went out the door with zero tolerance, and zero tolerance is there because the schools themselves no longer allow the administrators to exercise judgement in dealing with individual cases -- everyone must be treated equally. That's equally harshly now, especially as the kids' behavior spials out of control.True enough. Now I have to ask you another question: Why do you assume the kids' parents aren't "doing anything" about this? I'm really curious to know why your assumption is that kids behaving badly = parents not disciplining their kids. Is it that you think no well-raised child would ever act up in school? That a kid who disrespects the teacher must have a parent who allows him to do this? Maybe the reverse is true, that the parents are so strict the kid is acting out in a place where he doesn't have to worry about getting beat with a 2x4.Or it could just be kids being kids, you know. Rowdy behavior in class isn't some kind of "gateway behavior" into general lawlessness and chaos. But ruining their lives by sending them to juvenile hall for farting in class just might be.
give me doughnuts: AssAsInAssassin: Yeah! There was never any remedy for that until the schools started violating kids' civil rights.It's called "corporal punishment", and it is still legal in MS. Even the dumbest of students understands pain.
BizarreMan: rebelyell2006: Things really have changed. When I was a kid, the rest of the students just mercilessly ridiculed students who farted in class. Nobody was arrested.I was wondering exactly how much you had to rip one to end up being arrested.Sure it's more than a one cheek sneak, but are you eating beans and boiled eggs and holding it in until you've got a really big one that reverberates down the halls and into the gymn?
RandomRandom: just_intonation: These parents raise these kids without discipline or moral standards, then send them off to school to learn how to be better hoodlums, and so they can pawn off their responsibilities on the 'gubmint'. The schools are not equipped to deal with the behavioral issues, and they have to turn to the police to enforce order and discipline.Personally, I don't have a problem with the kids being disciplined by courts, and if that means incarceration of some sort, that's fine by me.Really?!? Could you possibly be any more racist? As a favor, I bolded your dog-whistle code words for you.Here's why it's racist - it would NEVER HAPPEN in a middle class white school district. Even if they had identical rules in your local middle-class schools, the parents would have enough money and education (not smarts, education) to immediately fight it in the courts, and win. This kind of crap wouldn't last 6 month in a middle class white neighborhood. Further, the superintendent's heads would roll so far they'd be lucky to escape without losing their houses to civil judgments.Call me old fashioned, but with jails packed to capacity I think jail should largely be reserved for violent offenders. Sure, we still need to lock up the degenerate con-men and serious thieves. Largely though, jail should be a last-resort tool to keep our street's safe.Jail should not be a hammer to punish an underclass who are not as socially trained as we'd like. When the only tool you prefer is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.
rudemix: As a functional idiot I'm OK with jailing people that dress in a manner I don't like. It says nothing about the rebelliousness of youth and everything about the tearing apart of the fabric of all that is good. Kids that dress odd never grow out of it or get jobs. Arrest the youth. Squandering our rights means nothing next to fixing this. I'm a functional idiot.
poe_zlaw: I dont see why the US just doesnt split up. Like Europe but with more crime.
just_intonation: Look, I'm no proponent of a police state, but as long as kids are taught that it's okay to openly defy the rules and authority (and I know how that's going to be viewed here, but at this point I don't care -- I think you know what I'm saying, though) and believe that they will not suffer any consequences, then that's *exactly* what we're headed for. Personal responsibility and accountability are not even expected behaviors any longer, apparently, so I guess 'facism' is the answer -- though it makes me sad. I don't think there's a middle ground -- it's either enforce the rules or allow total anarchy.
Aloy: Did the dress violations look like this?:[4.bp.blogspot.com image 415x299]Imokaywithincarcerationhere.jpg
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