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(USA Today)   Under the right circumstances Titans' Chris Johnson thinks he could beat Usain Bolt. Conditions include a 10 yard head start and Bolt having one hand tied to his leg   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 35
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2012-08-11 01:39:06 PM
Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.
 
2012-08-11 02:32:41 PM
I think Bolt is beatable at 40 yards. He's not especially quick starting out of the blocks, and it takes him a little longer than some runners to get upright and striding, probably due to his height. Once he's locked in, though, you just watch him run past and away from the field. A 40-yard race is probably the longest race that he could be beaten at.
 
2012-08-11 03:30:49 PM
Didn't Chris Johnson make this claim back a few years ago too?
 
2012-08-11 04:15:52 PM

simsite9: I think Bolt is beatable at 40 yards. He's not especially quick starting out of the blocks, and it takes him a little longer than some runners to get upright and striding, probably due to his height. Once he's locked in, though, you just watch him run past and away from the field. A 40-yard race is probably the longest race that he could be beaten at.


Yup. Past the halfway point everyone else looks like they're running in slow motion
 
2012-08-11 04:16:21 PM
I would not be surprised if he could defeat Bolt in a 40 yard race, provided they both start from blocks.

Bolt's a guy who destroys the field late in the race, even his best starts are not spectacular compared to anyone else in a field of good sprinters.
 
2012-08-11 04:17:24 PM

downstairs: Didn't Chris Johnson make this claim back a few years ago too?


Yup, it was right around the time he said he was going to rush for 2,500 yards or somesuch. Then he held out and played like dog shiat.
 
2012-08-11 04:17:29 PM

simsite9: I think Bolt is beatable at 40 yards. He's not especially quick starting out of the blocks, and it takes him a little longer than some runners to get upright and striding, probably due to his height. Once he's locked in, though, you just watch him run past and away from the field. A 40-yard race is probably the longest race that he could be beaten at.


Fine, fine.
 
2012-08-11 04:19:45 PM

basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.


basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.


Chris would win, as long as you paid him after the race.
 
2012-08-11 04:22:27 PM
A 40-yard race would be ridiculous, that's only 36 meters. We might as well just measure their reaction times, because you can't get up to full speed in that short of a distance.
 
2012-08-11 04:23:12 PM

basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.


You put both guys in pads, cleats, and have them run on a field, and I'd still take Bolt by a few strides if they were to race from end to end of a football field.

Of course, I'm assuming RB or receiver equipment, not middle linebacker equipment and/or linemen-style kneebraces.
 
2012-08-11 05:05:30 PM

simsite9: I think Bolt is beatable at 40 yards. He's not especially quick starting out of the blocks, and it takes him a little longer than some runners to get upright and striding, probably due to his height. Once he's locked in, though, you just watch him run past and away from the field. A 40-yard race is probably the longest race that he could be beaten at.


Yeah, but he's never had to worry about trying to get up to top sprinting speed that quickly. If someone changed the length of the race to 40 yards, Bolt might change his method out of the blocks. Johnson is quick, but he's an idiot if he thinks he can do what exactly no one else can. I'll agree with basemetal though, that if both were in full football gear, Johnson would have a better than average shot. No pads? Even at 40-yards, he'd lose.
 
2012-08-11 05:09:37 PM
Since this comes up from time to time, I remember it being said that Johnson was a track athlete in high school and ran in the 10 second 100 territory. Yea, if he continued as solely a track athlete he may have been a worthy competitor, but he didn't.

I don't think it's unreasonable to make the claim that you could be competitive with him. The best pure specimen athletes in the US don't go to play olympic sports, they mostly gravitate toward sports where they'll get paid.
 
2012-08-11 05:10:34 PM

Carl Winslow's .9 MM: basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.

basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.

Chris would win, as long as you paid him after the race.


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-11 05:19:33 PM
He's right.
 
2012-08-11 05:34:18 PM

bhcompy: Since this comes up from time to time, I remember it being said that Johnson was a track athlete in high school and ran in the 10 second 100 territory. Yea, if he continued as solely a track athlete he may have been a worthy competitor, but he didn't.

I don't think it's unreasonable to make the claim that you could be competitive with him. The best pure specimen athletes in the US don't go to play olympic sports, they mostly gravitate toward sports where they'll get paid.


10.38 (Link) is about a mile and a half away from a 9.6. Johnson might be quick but Bolt is just plain fast. It's unreal. He ran a 150m race and covered the last 100m in 8.7 seconds (Link).

This site suggest Bolt would run down around 4.20 (Link) and Johnson ran a 4.24 (no pads). 40yd would be close, 100yrds wouldn't even be a competition.
 
2012-08-11 05:35:26 PM

simsite9: I think Bolt is beatable at 40 yards. He's not especially quick starting out of the blocks, and it takes him a little longer than some runners to get upright and striding, probably due to his height. Once he's locked in, though, you just watch him run past and away from the field. A 40-yard race is probably the longest race that he could be beaten at.


Lots of people could beat him in a marathon, though that's obviously not what you meant.
 
2012-08-11 05:53:05 PM

Carl Winslow's .9 MM: basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.

basemetal: Put them both in pads, a helmet and on the turf, I'd like to see that race.

Chris would win, as long as you paid him after the race.


That's a beautiful thing, a beautiful thing.
 
2012-08-11 05:55:27 PM
The key is the 40M length of the race. In the 100M final Bolt was in 5th place at the 50M mark. Two strides later the race was over. At 6'7" or whatever he is, it takes him a while to unfold from the blocks. However, he continues to accelerate and doesn't hit top speed until 60-65M in. After that it's done.
 
2012-08-11 06:05:01 PM
Big deal. I could beat Bolt in a 3m race if he had a bad start. Means nothing.
 
2012-08-11 06:22:29 PM

bhcompy: Since this comes up from time to time, I remember it being said that Johnson was a track athlete in high school and ran in the 10 second 100 territory. Yea, if he continued as solely a track athlete he may have been a worthy competitor, but he didn't.


I agree with most of this, but it's important to note that the difference between Usain Bolt and a non-worthy competitor is about 0.4 of a second. It really may not have been possible for Chris to get his numbers even below 10.

I've run 100m times in the low-11s and just been blown away by the high-10 guys. I was humbled once to run a 52.5 400 in a heat with a guy who ran a 48 something. I imagine CJ thinks he's fast and he is, but it's nothing like running against elite talent like Bolt.

Sidenote: I really do think Bolt is incredible. He's just an outstanding physical specimen that won't be eclipsed in accomplishment (though he may be in time) for quite a while.
 
2012-08-11 06:48:49 PM
man, i love/hate hypotheticals.
 
2012-08-11 07:35:11 PM

INeedAName: bhcompy: Since this comes up from time to time, I remember it being said that Johnson was a track athlete in high school and ran in the 10 second 100 territory. Yea, if he continued as solely a track athlete he may have been a worthy competitor, but he didn't.

I don't think it's unreasonable to make the claim that you could be competitive with him. The best pure specimen athletes in the US don't go to play olympic sports, they mostly gravitate toward sports where they'll get paid.

10.38 (Link) is about a mile and a half away from a 9.6. Johnson might be quick but Bolt is just plain fast. It's unreal. He ran a 150m race and covered the last 100m in 8.7 seconds (Link).

This site suggest Bolt would run down around 4.20 (Link) and Johnson ran a 4.24 (no pads). 40yd would be close, 100yrds wouldn't even be a competition.


Yes, he ran that in high school trained as a high school athlete, not as an olympic caliber athlete. I don't know how he would have developed, but runners can make strong gains as they train with higher quality methods and trainers when they're raw, as any high school athlete is. To say he could have been competition isn't that far fetched, nor is it a sleight on Bolt.
 
2012-08-11 08:35:00 PM
Dear Chris Johnson (and every other pro athlete): It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 
2012-08-11 10:04:17 PM

bhcompy: INeedAName: bhcompy: Since this comes up from time to time, I remember it being said that Johnson was a track athlete in high school and ran in the 10 second 100 territory. Yea, if he continued as solely a track athlete he may have been a worthy competitor, but he didn't.

I don't think it's unreasonable to make the claim that you could be competitive with him. The best pure specimen athletes in the US don't go to play olympic sports, they mostly gravitate toward sports where they'll get paid.

10.38 (Link) is about a mile and a half away from a 9.6. Johnson might be quick but Bolt is just plain fast. It's unreal. He ran a 150m race and covered the last 100m in 8.7 seconds (Link).

This site suggest Bolt would run down around 4.20 (Link) and Johnson ran a 4.24 (no pads). 40yd would be close, 100yrds wouldn't even be a competition.

Yes, he ran that in high school trained as a high school athlete, not as an olympic caliber athlete. I don't know how he would have developed, but runners can make strong gains as they train with higher quality methods and trainers when they're raw, as any high school athlete is. To say he could have been competition isn't that far fetched, nor is it a sleight on Bolt.


As someone who coached hs and college athletes and got my butt handed to me a few times by Alan Webb, I'm aware of the difference between raw talent and absolute physical giftedness, honed with serious training.

Johnson is an obvious speedster with immense talent who COULD have evolved into something more had he ever put serious time into the 100m. He didn't, and it's ridiculous to think that he would come close to competing against any of these guys. I'd honestly be surprised if he qualified for the finals at the US Olympic trials let alone came within a respectable distance of the fastest man to ever run the race.
 
2012-08-11 10:38:05 PM

INeedAName: I'd honestly be surprised if he qualified for the finals at the US Olympic trials let alone came within a respectable distance of the fastest man to ever run the race.


No one said he'd compete with him at 100m. Bolt's only "problem" (if you can really call it that, considering that he completely obliterates world records without even running the whole way) is that he doesn't start quickly. Given that, it's possible that Johnson could beat him in a 40-yard dash. But this is the internet and we have to act as though being good at one thing means you're good at everything in any way related to it.

INeedAName: Johnson is an obvious speedster with immense talent who COULD have evolved into something more had he ever put serious time into the 100m.


He did evolve into something more - a football player.
 
2012-08-11 10:59:21 PM
Gee, another football player being overly cocky about his abilities. Well I never...
 
2012-08-12 01:29:44 AM
Does this mean I should re-sign CJ1K in my keeper league?
 
2012-08-12 02:00:37 AM

IAmRight: INeedAName: I'd honestly be surprised if he qualified for the finals at the US Olympic trials let alone came within a respectable distance of the fastest man to ever run the race.

No one said he'd compete with him at 100m. Bolt's only "problem" (if you can really call it that, considering that he completely obliterates world records without even running the whole way) is that he doesn't start quickly. Given that, it's possible that Johnson could beat him in a 40-yard dash. But this is the internet and we have to act as though being good at one thing means you're good at everything in any way related to it.

INeedAName: Johnson is an obvious speedster with immense talent who COULD have evolved into something more had he ever put serious time into the 100m.

He did evolve into something more - a football player.


So basically Chris is saying 'I can beat you in an event of my choosing.' That's fine, I can beat Chris Johnson in an event of my choosing as well. If you're going to open your mouth to say you're better than someone, you should be willing to meet them on their field, on their terms, otherwise it's a completely asinine comparison.

But it's the internet.

Also, a football player being something more is a bit subjective. I'd take the gold medals, world records, and recognition over $40m of shame any day.
 
2012-08-12 02:09:53 AM

INeedAName: I'd take the gold medals, world records, and recognition over $40m of shame any day.


Really? $40m of shame? I'd let someone take a dump on my face at the closing ceremonies for $40m rather than own the gold medals, world records, and recognition.
Are you pretty well off?
 
2012-08-12 03:10:31 AM
Why the hell do we have to tell every big-time track star to put on football pads? What if the track star wants to live to see his 60th birthday for some reason?
 
2012-08-12 03:50:31 AM
You know as well as those medals Bolts been raking in $20m a year since Beijing right?
 
2012-08-12 07:14:18 AM
Bolt may have mediocre starts compared to other elite 100m runners, but he would still blow Johnson out of the water in a 40m race.
 
2012-08-12 08:24:38 AM
I bet Bolt could have done better than 5 carries for 8 yards, CJ.

Quit flapping your jaws about track and pay attention to your day job.
 
2012-08-12 08:27:15 AM

bacongood: Bolt may have mediocre starts compared to other elite 100m runners, but he would still blow Johnson out of the water in a 40m race.


Definitely. These football players just don't get it. They're among the most popular athletes in our country and thus treated like athletic gods. Their egos inflate and they start to think they really are the greatest athletes on earth and can beat whomever they want. It's obnoxious. You don't see track stars saying they'd be better than him at football... I can't even count how many times I had football players tell me that they could keep up with me in a mile when I was racing competitively.
 
2012-08-12 02:31:12 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: bacongood: Bolt may have mediocre starts compared to other elite 100m runners, but he would still blow Johnson out of the water in a 40m race.

Definitely. These football players just don't get it. They're among the most popular athletes in our country and thus treated like athletic gods. Their egos inflate and they start to think they really are the greatest athletes on earth and can beat whomever they want. It's obnoxious. You don't see track stars saying they'd be better than him at football... I can't even count how many times I had football players tell me that they could keep up with me in a mile when I was racing competitively.


I just love when they talk about the 40m time their coach timed them at with an stop watch and compare it to a 100m FAT time. Not how it works guys.

There are a couple ex-NCAA top level sprinters in the NFL who may have been able to keep up with Bolt for the starts when they were track-sharp. CJ is not one of them.
 
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