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(Mother Nature Network)   Dear Nosy Stranger at the Mall: I can appreciate that you've seen 'Rain Man' six times, but that does not make you an expert on autism. Have you ever gone to a restaurant and had your child lick the floor?   (mnn.com) divider line 102
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2012-08-11 05:05:51 AM  
hear, hear! my cousin works with autistic kids as a paraprofessional (aka I don't have a teaching degree so I can't teach so I'll babysit instead) and thinks she is the master of it.
of course, she also believes that autism is caused by vaccines (which is a total about-face because she had her kids vaccinated).
i sent her a link from pubmed, a peer-reviewed look into the vaccine/autism connection. she then told me she would do her own research (aka youtube videos taking cdc comments out of context).
but the thing that really outrages me is I'M A SCIENTIST, my sources are PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES, yet she's going to do research. I'VE ALREADY RESEARCHED IT, FOOL!

/she also brings up the ONE kid who had a very rare genetic mitochondrial disease, though they didn't know it until she reacted to a vaccine. i'd like to bring up the epidemic of whooping cough in california because the kid's stupid parents decided not to vaccinate their children.
 
2012-08-11 05:59:00 AM  
RAUUGH. YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION MY MOMMY INSTINCT! YOU DONT KNOW HOW HORRIBLE OF A DISEASE AUTISM IS. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN. YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! VACCINES KILLED MY BABY INSIDE! ITS WORSE THAN DEATH! WAAAAAAAH

/I seriously, seriously, want to punch people like this in the face.
//Especially the ones who think death is better than their child being autistic.
 
2012-08-11 06:19:15 AM  

BronyMedic: RAUUGH. YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION MY MOMMY INSTINCT! YOU DONT KNOW HOW HORRIBLE OF A DISEASE AUTISM IS. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN. YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! VACCINES KILLED MY BABY INSIDE! ITS WORSE THAN DEATH! WAAAAAAAH

/I seriously, seriously, want to punch people like this in the face.
//Especially the ones who think death is better than their child being autistic.


While I agree with you in that aspect, the woman in the article isn't doing that. There's nothing about her being an antivaxxer. She just wants the unwanted advice to stop from people who think they're experts. The people who've seen "Rain Man" multiple times. Those who suggest that she spank her sons for "misbehaving" because they're ignorant of how autism can affect a child.

I don't think her requests are unreasonable in the slightest.
 
2012-08-11 06:33:33 AM  
Bathia_Mapes:
While I agree with you in that aspect, the woman in the article isn't doing that. There's nothing about her being an antivaxxer. She just wants the unwanted advice to stop from people who think they're experts. The people who've seen "Rain Man" multiple times. Those who suggest that she spank her sons for "misbehaving" because they're ignorant of how autism can affect a child. I don't think her requests are unreasonable in the slightest.

Yes, but she's hypocritically criticizing well meaning strangers, making the very same mistake. She has no empathy for them. How does she know what they've been through? Maybe she should walk a mile in their shoes before she lashes out.

It's her kind of unthinking hate speech that really sets me off.
 
2012-08-11 07:13:55 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: BronyMedic: RAUUGH. YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION MY MOMMY INSTINCT! YOU DONT KNOW HOW HORRIBLE OF A DISEASE AUTISM IS. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN. YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! VACCINES KILLED MY BABY INSIDE! ITS WORSE THAN DEATH! WAAAAAAAH

/I seriously, seriously, want to punch people like this in the face.
//Especially the ones who think death is better than their child being autistic.

While I agree with you in that aspect, the woman in the article isn't doing that. There's nothing about her being an antivaxxer. She just wants the unwanted advice to stop from people who think they're experts. The people who've seen "Rain Man" multiple times. Those who suggest that she spank her sons for "misbehaving" because they're ignorant of how autism can affect a child.

I don't think her requests are unreasonable in the slightest.


I think the article has a problem though. She does a lot of biatching about how difficult raising twin autistic boys, and a bit of complaining that lots of people offer unsolicited advice on what/how she is doing, but she doesn't offer any evidence that she IS doing a good job. Well, obviously she would say she is doing the best she can, and in all likeliness that is true, but what does she present in order to justify her desire for advice to stop.. The entire article was simply "You don't know how hard it is to be me! And it's their fault my life is so difficult!" She doesn't even once say that she loves the kids, or likes them. They sound simply like a burden, an albatross around her neck.I felt like TFA was all written so she could justify being in a bad mood, not as a counter-point to the unsollicited advice, in order to demonstrate that helping her is unnecessary.
 
2012-08-11 07:55:03 AM  
I'm an excellent driver.
 
2012-08-11 07:56:09 AM  
So she accepts that bringing her kids out to restaurants pretty much ruins the night out for others, while also lashing out at well meaning people who offer advice.
 
2012-08-11 07:59:16 AM  
Please move to the woods with your retards and never rejoin society again.
 
2012-08-11 08:02:07 AM  

mrsirjojo: So she accepts that bringing her kids out to restaurants pretty much ruins the night out for others, while also lashing out at well meaning people who offer advice.


DNRTFA but if your kids are disruptive in public and it is bothering other people you really should expect comments.
 
2012-08-11 08:05:45 AM  
The problem with advice
Too easy to give; very hard to take.
 
2012-08-11 08:06:06 AM  
All she needs to do to calm them down is turn on Judge Wapner.
How difficult is that.
 
2012-08-11 08:09:22 AM  
Minecraft?
 
2012-08-11 08:09:55 AM  
Maybe keep your waterheads at home if you can't control them.
 
2012-08-11 08:10:18 AM  
obligatory post about autism being a euphemism for poor parenting

obligatory post about raising an autistic child being more rewarding because of the challenge

obligatory post about vaccines

obligatory post about some kid i saw doing something once

obligatory post about unconditional love

obligatory post about missing the point and making a reference to counting to potato
 
2012-08-11 08:10:42 AM  
You weren't there to experience the horror of watching four male nurses wrap your 9-year-old up like a burrito and hold him down to remove a splinter from his foot, to give him a shot, to start an I.V.

Burrito Cat is interested.

i727.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-11 08:11:40 AM  

abhorrent1: All she needs to do to calm them down is turn on Judge Wapner.
How difficult is that.


Thanks for the free ticket to hell.
 
2012-08-11 08:11:48 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I felt like TFA was all written so she could justify being in a bad mood, not as a counter-point to the unsollicited advice


My feeling as well. I simply cannot fathom people suggesting any expertise by watching Rain Man. Sure, folks have a narrow and simplistic sense of autism as a result of the film, believing every person with autism is a mathematical savant who is somewhat verbal, but no one has said to her, "I watched Rain Man! I know what will solve your problem!" This is her perception of anyone who gives advice which she does not agree with, and her boys both tire her out and invite tons of unsolicited advice.
 
2012-08-11 08:12:45 AM  

BronyMedic: RAUUGH. YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION MY MOMMY INSTINCT! YOU DONT KNOW HOW HORRIBLE OF A DISEASE AUTISM IS. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN. YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! VACCINES KILLED MY BABY INSIDE! ITS WORSE THAN DEATH! WAAAAAAAH

/I seriously, seriously, want to punch people like this in the face.
//Especially the ones who think death is better than their child being autistic.


wanna know how i can tell that you didnt actually read the article?
 
2012-08-11 08:17:05 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: .
I think the article has a problem though. She does a lot of biatching about how difficult raising twin autistic boys, and a bit of complaining that lots of people offer unsolicited advice on what/how she is doing, but she doesn't offer any evidence that she IS doing a good job. Well, obviously she would say she is doing the best she can, and in all likeliness that is true, but what does she present in order to justify her desire for advice to stop.. The entire article was simply "You don't know how hard it is to be me! And it's their fault my life is so difficult!" She doesn't even once say that she loves the kids, or likes them. They sound simply like a burden, an albatross around her neck.I felt like TFA was all written so she could justify being in a bad mood, not as a counter-point to the unsollicited advice, in order to demonstrate that helping her is unnecessary.


I agree. As a parent of an autistic child, I am happy to explain to people that I've learned through trial and error or from the advice of his doctors that certain techniques work while others don't.

Yesterday we were on a crowded bus. I could tell he was getting agitated, so I started talking to him about his favorite movies. Yes, it is deathly boring to listen to the monotone listing and respond the same way every time (I have parts to say as well). But it's a lot better than having him freak. So I get weird looks from people who don't get why I would encourage my son to blather loudly about the release dates of every Pixar and Dreamworks and Blue Sky production. Inside I smile, knowing I've saved them from a much worse fate.

But the burrito reference; Best trick in the book, although now it has to be a specific blanket for it to work. Good old Soft Pink. So ratty but so useful in hotels and at grandma's house.

I should write a long article and submit it electronically. Oh wait, I guess I just did.
 
2012-08-11 08:27:54 AM  

mrsirjojo: So she accepts that bringing her kids out to restaurants pretty much ruins the night out for others, while also lashing out at well meaning people who offer advice.


Yes complain about disable kids more. Please do.

Us bootstrappy healthy people, we should spit on the families of the disabled. Where do they get the right to take mentally disabled kid to a place with other people?

I like when disabled people get out and do things. Sure sometimes they get loud or some such shenanigans, but I do not believe someone should be shut in due to the way they are.
 
2012-08-11 08:29:39 AM  
Here's some advice from someone that doesn't have autistic kids, that will guarentee you get more than an hours worth of sleep a night, that you won't get dirty looks in public areas and that you won't have to suffer through your kid getting wrapped up like a burrito everytime he goes to the doctor.

DON'T FREAKING HAVE KIDS!!!

Guarenteed to have given you a better life.
 
2012-08-11 08:35:43 AM  
Maybe people commit the unforgivable sin of offering advice because your two children are making up 1% of the population in a given public space and yet taking up 99% of the attention.

"Ever gone to a restaurant and have your children lick the floor, sniff someone's shoes, pull another person's hair?...If you can do better, then why don't you? Why don't you call and offer to watch my children? Help me with my housework?

Walk a mile in my moccasins. Then you can point a finger. Then you can give me advice.

But until then, keep your thoughts to yourself."

Really? I am ordered to keep my thoughts to myself (attempts at [likely passive-aggressive] advice, not cursing out) when someone's kid licks the floor, sniffs my shoes, and pulls my hair?
 
2012-08-11 08:42:39 AM  
How many farking people are giving advice to this coont that she has to have a freak out "Don't ever talk to me about autism" letter posted?

She makes it sound like she can't get from her car door to Starbucks without 7 people telling her what she needs to do to fix her kids. I am pretty damn sure no one has ever started a conversation with "I just watched Rain Man...". Every time I have seen someone with a retarded kid, I let them be. So does everyone else around. I've never seen anyone step up and try and tell the parent what they are doing 'wrong'.

Yeah lady, it sucks you have retarded kids. It really does and I feel for you. But ease up a bit on the pity party, huh?
 
2012-08-11 08:45:11 AM  
ditto about the restaurants. i freaking hate when parents pull the 'children cry, scream, pound on the table etc.... thats what children do' crap. well, polite adults take the kids outside until they calm down. i should have the right not to see it lick the floor instead of her thinking it can do what it wants.
 
2012-08-11 08:46:02 AM  
You weren't there to experience the horror of watching four male nurses wrap your 9-year-old up like a burrito and hold him down to remove a splinter from his foot,

ecx.images-amazon.com

The horror, the horror
 
2012-08-11 08:46:20 AM  
i'm experiencing a warmth from the tender comments
 
2012-08-11 08:50:55 AM  
"Have you ever driven three hours to get to a specialist's appointment"

No, driving 3 hours in just about any direction would place me out of the country (and well into the sea when driving west or north).
 
2012-08-11 08:55:49 AM  

AbbeySomeone: mrsirjojo: So she accepts that bringing her kids out to restaurants pretty much ruins the night out for others, while also lashing out at well meaning people who offer advice.

DNRTFA but if your kids are disruptive in public and it is bothering other people you really should expect comments.


Unfortunately, this. Whether it's autism or something else, if your kids can't behave in public AT ALL, then perhaps you shouldn't force the issue--on the public, or on your kids who are screaming because they don't know where they are.

If the only thing they get from a day out is freaked over changes in routine, then taking them in the first place might not be such a good idea.
 
2012-08-11 08:57:12 AM  
Why do we even allow these people to live?


/referring to the unsolicited advice-givers
 
2012-08-11 09:04:49 AM  
I'll watch her kids, no problem. Let me just get this roll of duct tape.
 
2012-08-11 09:06:11 AM  

selfmedicating: Why do we even allow these people to live?


/referring to the unsolicited advice-givers


They're infinitely more useful than retards that lick floors.
 
2012-08-11 09:07:40 AM  

ethernet76: mrsirjojo: So she accepts that bringing her kids out to restaurants pretty much ruins the night out for others, while also lashing out at well meaning people who offer advice.

Yes complain about disable kids more. Please do.

Us bootstrappy healthy people, we should spit on the families of the disabled. Where do they get the right to take mentally disabled kid to a place with other people?

I like when disabled people get out and do things. Sure sometimes they get loud or some such shenanigans, but I do not believe someone should be shut in due to the way they are.


While I don't believe they should be shut in, I don't think your average restaurant is an appropriate place to bring an autistic children. Chuck-e-Cheese type places, Dave and Busters etc. sure but I shouldn't have to listen to your 10 year old spawn yelling "I WANT 8" in a screaming, winey voice 45 farking times, in reference to crab legs while I'm eating my dinner at a rather expensive seafood place.(seriously, last night) Now I'm not a dick, I didn't say word one to this family but how about a little consideration. When I'm paying over 100 bucks for a nice dinner with my wife, why should I have to hear that shiat for 90 minutes in an otherwise quiet restaurant?

/bonus round: when it came time to pay, their card was declined
//the mom made it sound like this was a habit of dad's
///she was not pleased with having to pay (apparently it was the fourth time)
////ok so that part was fun to watch but the shiat leading up to it sucked
 
2012-08-11 09:14:47 AM  
I see a lot of people raggin' on the woman who wrote the article, but I'm waiting for a Farker who does have a kid with autism to chime in. My wife is a nanny for a two year old who was diagnosed with autism. No way is he "retarded". He' been going to several schools to treat his autism. Slowly, ever so slowly, we're seeing progress.
 
2012-08-11 09:17:41 AM  

harbingerofdoom: BronyMedic: RAUUGH. YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION MY MOMMY INSTINCT! YOU DONT KNOW HOW HORRIBLE OF A DISEASE AUTISM IS. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN. YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! VACCINES KILLED MY BABY INSIDE! ITS WORSE THAN DEATH! WAAAAAAAH

/I seriously, seriously, want to punch people like this in the face.
//Especially the ones who think death is better than their child being autistic.

wanna know how i can tell that you didnt actually read the article?


that's pretty much what the article said. minus the bit about vaccines, but that is often brought up in similar rants by people who thought that having children was going to be nothing but smiles and cuddles, but then learned it was a lot of work, and started resenting their children. later they learn that their child's brain processes information in a different way than their own, and instead of loving their children and attempting to understand and adapt to their differences (an excellent example is the bus story in another comment), their resentment explodes and the child just becomes this 'thing' that's a huge burden and everyone should have to listen to them whine about hard hard it is for them to be alive.

instead of being horrified at the idea of comforting a child by applying pressure all over the body (as by rolling up tightly in a blanket), why not try to understand your child and find out various ways that will comfort your child and use them? deep pressure is one of them, and i bet this woman doesn't even have any weighted clothing.

i saw rainman, so i know that's a good idea.
 
2012-08-11 09:24:22 AM  
I'll stop giving you advice when you stop bringing your monsters to the restaurant. I am trying to enjoy a nice dinner and you have a pair of rugrats screaming, pulling hair, and licking the floor.

Get a babysitter or STAY THE fark HOME you stupid biatch.
 
2012-08-11 09:25:50 AM  

Moose23: I see a lot of people raggin' on the woman who wrote the article, but I'm waiting for a Farker who does have a kid with autism to chime in. My wife is a nanny for a two year old who was diagnosed with autism. No way is he "retarded". He' been going to several schools to treat his autism. Slowly, ever so slowly, we're seeing progress.


I have two kids. One of them sits somewhere on the Autism spectrum (we're in the process of trying to find out where). The other one has fairly significant FASD. I agree with the people ragging on the woman. She comes across as an insufferable, self-absorbed, entitled twunt.
 
2012-08-11 09:37:18 AM  

Moose23: I see a lot of people raggin' on the woman who wrote the article, but I'm waiting for a Farker who does have a kid with autism to chime in. My wife is a nanny for a two year old who was diagnosed with autism. No way is he "retarded". He' been going to several schools to treat his autism. Slowly, ever so slowly, we're seeing progress.


It doesn't have to do with raising autistic kids. It's about receiving unsolicited advice, how you react to receiving unsolicited advice, and whether or not you can identify if unsolicited advice has merit.

A smart person doesn't mind receiving unsolicited advice, is appreciative of receiving it regardless of it's value or merit, and is very adept at identifying whether it's good advice or not.

This woman is none of those things. I used to hate it too, because I thought I was smarter than everyone else at everything. Then I realized I wasn't, and that other people out there are smarter than me.
 
2012-08-11 09:42:13 AM  
A friend of mine's youngest kid is high functioning autistic (he just turned 5) . She, her husband and other caregivers, work incredibly long and hard days with him to even get the simplest things done. We've been taking him running with us because he likes it. He listens pretty well and is crazy smart about some stuff but you have to frame things the right way and respond to a lot of non verbal body language. If you treat him like he's a smart kid he's really cooperative; if you ignore him or treat him like he's an idiot (because he doesn't talk much) he will milk that attitude, act out and do all sorts of crazy stuff.

/running also seems to help him calm down; he says he feels better after so his mom is hoping he can use it as an outlet when he gets overwhelmed vs rocking or other less desirable behavior
//now we are working on stopping for traffic and other safety stuff until then we run at a track/park trails that don't cross any streets.
/// kid has incredible endurance and focus so maybe we'll get him to run a marathon with us when he's old enough
 
2012-08-11 09:51:13 AM  
Reading that made me so so happy to not be able to have kids.
Side note, when those children become painfully intelligent teenagers how are they going to feel when they read mums rant about how much of a burden they are? Not gonna exactly make things easier for them now..
 
2012-08-11 09:55:38 AM  

notmtwain:

Bathia_Mapes:

While I agree with you in that aspect, the woman in the article isn't doing that. There's nothing about her being an antivaxxer. She just wants the unwanted advice to stop from people who think they're experts. The people who've seen "Rain Man" multiple times. Those who suggest that she spank her sons for "misbehaving" because they're ignorant of how autism can affect a child. I don't think her requests are unreasonable in the slightest.

Yes, but she's hypocritically criticizing well meaning strangers, making the very same mistake. She has no empathy for them. How does she know what they've been through? Maybe she should walk a mile in their shoes before she lashes out.

It's her kind of unthinking hate speech that really sets me off.


5/10. It's the last sentence that saves it.
 
2012-08-11 09:58:21 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'll stop giving you advice when you stop bringing your monsters to the restaurant. I am trying to enjoy a nice dinner and you have a pair of rugrats screaming, pulling hair, and licking the floor.

Get a babysitter or STAY THE fark HOME you stupid biatch.


Too simple.
 
2012-08-11 09:58:56 AM  
You have kids who in most circumstances would be old enough to know better than to throw tantrums or attack strangers or whatever other anti-social behavior is going on. Unfortunately for you, autism is one of those mental disorders that is not necessarily noticeable on the outside (as compared to Downs). So excuse me if I make a comment when your kid won't stop kicking the back of my chair, or screaming at the top of their lungs in a public place. I'm not saying you need to put a sign on the kid so everyone knows, but don't jump down my throat because I'm mad that some seemingly normal child is acting out and interrupting my life.
 
2012-08-11 10:03:33 AM  

bekovich: Reading that made me so so happy to not be able to have kids.
Side note, when those children become painfully intelligent teenagers how are they going to feel when they read mums rant about how much of a burden they are? Not gonna exactly make things easier for them now..


That's the sad thing. These kids are going to have enough prejudice and criticism heaped on to them for most of their lives. It shouldn't come from their parents as well.
If you're not prepared to unconditionally love some one, don't become a parent.
 
2012-08-11 10:09:17 AM  
I liked Rain Man--good acting: A non autistic man played an autistic man, and a retard played Tom Cruise's part.
 
2012-08-11 10:22:43 AM  
Uchiha_Cycliste:

She doesn't even once say that she loves the kids, or likes them. They sound simply like a burden, an albatross around her neck.

With all due respect, from what I've seen in lo! these too damn many moons, is that most parents actually feel this way most of the time. Especially mothers, but fathers too. When they can show off the kid's straight A report card or when they get praised for what lovely children they have they'll smile and feel all fuzzy, but the day to day work of being a parent is drudgery and annoyance. And then there's all the crap you have to go through to support the little monsters till they're old enough to make them go away. I'd wager that deep down inside most parents resent all that and regret having kids more often than not. And I'm only talking here about "normal" kids, without any major "disorders."

It seems to me that people who have kids do so because they're too stupid to prevent them and/or they're desperate to prove they're real adults, and that in the vast majority of cases they think they want them -- or that they shouldn't abort their mistakes -- because of social pressure, not from any genuine desire or conviction of their own. They're convinced having kids is normal, and normal is what they want to be.

Anyone who sincerely wants and loves their kids and does not resent them most of the time is pretty much a freak. Most parents might say otherwise, they might even try hard to convince themselves, but deep down inside they know I'm right.

There are 7 billion people out there, most of whom are or were unwanted and resented. Including a lot who wonder why the world is such a farked up place.
 
2012-08-11 10:31:42 AM  
MythDragon:


Yeah lady, it sucks you have retarded kids. It really does and I feel for you. But ease up a bit on the pity party, huh?


Think instead of how tasty they will be.
 
2012-08-11 10:46:56 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Uchiha_Cycliste:

She doesn't even once say that she loves the kids, or likes them. They sound simply like a burden, an albatross around her neck.

With all due respect, from what I've seen in lo! these too damn many moons, is that most parents actually feel this way most of the time. Especially mothers, but fathers too. When they can show off the kid's straight A report card or when they get praised for what lovely children they have they'll smile and feel all fuzzy, but the day to day work of being a parent is drudgery and annoyance. And then there's all the crap you have to go through to support the little monsters till they're old enough to make them go away. I'd wager that deep down inside most parents resent all that and regret having kids more often than not. And I'm only talking here about "normal" kids, without any major "disorders."

It seems to me that people who have kids do so because they're too stupid to prevent them and/or they're desperate to prove they're real adults, and that in the vast majority of cases they think they want them -- or that they shouldn't abort their mistakes -- because of social pressure, not from any genuine desire or conviction of their own. They're convinced having kids is normal, and normal is what they want to be.

Anyone who sincerely wants and loves their kids and does not resent them most of the time is pretty much a freak. Most parents might say otherwise, they might even try hard to convince themselves, but deep down inside they know I'm right.

There are 7 billion people out there, most of whom are or were unwanted and resented. Including a lot who wonder why the world is such a farked up place.


I think the world would be a much nicer place if you could go back in time and get your parents to agree with you.
 
2012-08-11 10:47:51 AM  
WhippingBoy:

I have two kids. One of them sits somewhere on the Autism spectrum (we're in the process of trying to find out where). The other one has fairly significant FASD.

FASD = Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

So you knocked up a drunk with defective genes at least twice. Twice that she carried to term or pretty near it, while drinking too much at least once. Good for you. If only there were ways to prevent this from happening.


I agree with the people ragging on the woman. She comes across as an insufferable, self-absorbed, entitled twunt.

Yeah, well, most people are. That can happen when you suspect you're really a mistake; and for some people repeating their parents' mistake reinforces their "justification."

I did my part for Humanity by not reproducing. If I can do it anybody can.
 
2012-08-11 10:54:56 AM  

The One True TheDavid: So you knocked up a drunk with defective genes at least twice. Twice that she carried to term or pretty near it, while drinking too much at least once. Good for you. If only there were ways to prevent this from happening.


Hey man, pregnancy is tough. What's wrong with having a few nips of the ol' Thunderbird every now and then to ease the pain? It's HER body, after all! Who are you to shame her???

Yeah, well, most people are. That can happen when you suspect you're really a mistake; and for some people repeating their parents' mistake reinforces their "justification."

Agreed.

I did my part for Humanity by not reproducing. If I can do it anybody can.

Thank you.
 
2012-08-11 10:58:02 AM  
I have an autistic kid. Fortunately high functioning, thus for the most part he can control himself. That being said, he scripts and is prone to an outburst or two in public. The issue particularly with these kids is the social aspects not the intellectual. They NEED to learn how to act around others. So excuse me if me taking him out in public so he can learn to be a functioning member of society bothers you.

Of course I could keep him shut in as many of you propose and your precious tax dollars will go to supporting him for the rest of his life.
 
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