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(Some Guy)   Congratulations, Holland, MI. Not only did you shut down that kid's hot dog stand to protect nearby restaurants, but as a bonus, he and his family are now homeless. The restaurants are finally safe from this local menace   (mackinac.org) divider line 113
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2012-08-11 08:31:19 AM
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There can be only one.
 
2012-08-11 08:31:36 AM
I've never sausage a bum deal
 
2012-08-11 08:33:19 AM
Yea, this isnt going to backlash at all
 
Skr
2012-08-11 08:33:24 AM
Damn sounds like a harsh situation. Though the child labor sounds like it was a depressing thing to resort to in the first place.
 
2012-08-11 08:36:42 AM
Bet the restaurant owners and city council consider themselves "Bootstrappy."

/It's not over-regulation if it happens at the municipal level.
 
2012-08-11 08:37:34 AM
i'm bracing for the wave of reason
 
2012-08-11 08:37:58 AM
Way to crush a kid's entrepenurial spirits city of Holland.
Btw, the family isn't homeless because they shut his stand down, but good angle to play.
 
2012-08-11 08:38:23 AM
It's somewhat shocking to me that the stated intention of the law is to "protect businesses from competition." Don't they usually couch that in language that implies the regulations exist to protect the customers?

Welcome to "capitalist" America.
 
2012-08-11 08:38:23 AM
And from CBS: " The boy has been booking private events in West Michigan, but each event requires a new health department permit. It's difficult for Nathan to make a profit with all the costs."

But next, downtown restaurants will raise funds for homeless family.
 
2012-08-11 08:39:12 AM

sgnilward: I've never sausage a bum deal


I know you're just making a pun, but if you've honestly never sausaged a bum...man, are you missing out.
 
2012-08-11 08:39:21 AM

AbbeySomeone: Way to crush a kid's entrepenurial spirits city of Holland.
Btw, the family isn't homeless because they shut his stand down, but good angle to play.


In a way, they are. The money brought in by the hot dog stand could have been used to help pay bills.
 
2012-08-11 08:41:19 AM
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
 
2012-08-11 08:45:21 AM
It's in the public's best interest. How do we know what sort of quality control went into those hot dogs? Why, they might only be 35% anus and scrotum meat!
 
2012-08-11 08:46:45 AM
The mayor sounds like a heartless a**hole. He will go far in politics.
 
2012-08-11 08:48:35 AM
Good job Holland. You were getting such great press already for being a city full of bigots that hates "the gays" more than any other city in the mitten....
 
2012-08-11 08:49:17 AM
- If you can't afford the permits, you have no business booking. Find other avenues.
- If an adult fell afoul of this, would we be expected to have the same sympathy?
- This 'for the children' angle is really annoying. The kid is not responsible for making sure there's a roof over everyone's head anyway .. that's strictly on the parents.

When going into business, there are rules to be followed. Some of those rules suck, but they're there because some fool before you fked up. This family sounds like it's a strong believer in 'it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.' Fk them.
 
2012-08-11 08:52:02 AM

jaboobie: It's in the public's best interest. How do we know what sort of quality control went into those hot dogs? Why, they might only be 35% anus and scrotum meat!


Yes, it is in the public's -- and the businesses' -- best interest.

/these parents who pull this shiat every year are no better than the drug lords who use little kids to do their dirty work because munchkins elicit sympathy adults don't
 
2012-08-11 08:53:17 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: - If you can't afford the permits, you have no business booking. Find other avenues.


Only rich people should be able to start a business and compete.
 
2012-08-11 08:53:30 AM

jack21221: It's somewhat shocking to me that the stated intention of the law is to "protect businesses from competition." Don't they usually couch that in language that implies the regulations exist to protect the customers?

Welcome to "capitalist" America.


This has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with government's burning desire to regulate the fark out of everything to make more money. Permits and licenses are purely a shakedown in the guise of making us safer.
 
2012-08-11 08:53:49 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: - If you can't afford the permits, you have no business booking. Find other avenues.
- If an adult fell afoul of this, would we be expected to have the same sympathy?
- This 'for the children' angle is really annoying. The kid is not responsible for making sure there's a roof over everyone's head anyway .. that's strictly on the parents.

When going into business, there are rules to be followed. Some of those rules suck, but they're there because some fool before you fked up. This family sounds like it's a strong believer in 'it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.' Fk them.


But the family has been separated and living in a shelter because they took his weenie stand. Why do you hate the disabled and the sanctity of a family unit?
 
2012-08-11 08:54:27 AM
"success of the downtown district not be infringed upon by those who don't share in the costs of maintaining the attractiveness of that space."

Public place de facto owned by private business. What could be more American than that?
 
2012-08-11 08:55:56 AM
When I was 12, I sold watermelons on the side of the road so I could afford a Commodore 64. My grandfather set me up in a vacant lot next to a grocery store. The grocery store manager called the cops on me because I might hurt their business. I thought it was unfair, but instead of giving up, we moved somewhere else and kept trying.

Took two weeks and two loads of watermelons, but I cleared $400 after paying my grandfather back the $75 he loaned me to buy the first load with. Stayed inside the rest of the summer playing on the computer when I should have gone back out and made some more money.
 
2012-08-11 08:56:32 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: - If you can't afford the permits, you have no business booking. Find other avenues.
- If an adult fell afoul of this, would we be expected to have the same sympathy?
- This 'for the children' angle is really annoying. The kid is not responsible for making sure there's a roof over everyone's head anyway .. that's strictly on the parents.

When going into business, there are rules to be followed. Some of those rules suck, but they're there because some fool before you fked up. This family sounds like it's a strong believer in 'it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.' Fk them.


You must have copied and pasted this response from another outrage article about children selling food. RTFA Nothing to do with permits. Kid is not responsible but families for generations have sometimes needed the kids to help out the family.
 
2012-08-11 08:58:13 AM
1) This is a repeat.
2) Didn't the kid get a buyout offer for the equipment that produced a profit?
3) The kid is being used.
 
2012-08-11 08:59:57 AM

danielscissorhands: The mayor sounds like a heartless a**hole. He will go far in politics.


The original and this article doesn't mention the mayor.

But anyway, what were the city council to do? I am sure they would have ignored the kid, but unfortunatly one of the legitimate stores complained.

If people only had to follow laws when it suited people, the place would suck, or at the very least be full of non-lincensed foodcarts, because of the kid can stay there, so can the 10 mexicans.
 
2012-08-11 09:00:21 AM

GoldSpider: ExperianScaresCthulhu: - If you can't afford the permits, you have no business booking. Find other avenues.

Only rich people should be able to start a business and compete.


Yes. Now you little peons should know your place and bow down before the 1%'ers
 
2012-08-11 09:03:08 AM
Like I'm gonna eat a "sausage" from some kid who is poorer than Kenny?
 
2012-08-11 09:04:39 AM
article was lacking. i bet he didn't have all the health permits and commercial permits he needed. they can cost a good bit of change to a family about to be homeless. you even need a approved place to store the buns and dogs. years ago my family have a bakery downtown and every few months or so we'd get some upstart hot dog vendor asking us to rent them a few feet of frig/shelf space and let them wash their utensils in our approved sinks for nothing or just a few dollars so they can get the health inspection.the bastards would even wink and suggest we lie and tell the inspections the vendor was using it. yeah, we are going to lie to the inspectors so you like us. we'd say sure for what is about $500 a month now.
 
2012-08-11 09:05:22 AM
Please! Give me a break first of all they don't allow ANY food carts in the area as it is a tourist spot because if they wanted to look like down town LA or Tijuana they wouldn't have bothered to spend so much money on the area nor would businesses pay top dollar for rent.

Plus they lost their home because dad is a drug addict.
 
2012-08-11 09:08:47 AM
Why am I thinking one those downtown restaurants is a Chick-fil-a?
 
2012-08-11 09:12:35 AM

mikdeetx: Why am I thinking one those downtown restaurants is a Chick-fil-a?


Because you're an idiot.
 
2012-08-11 09:13:28 AM
Unless you have to deal with your local government, you have no idea the amount of soft corruption that goes on.

If a problem pops up, they pass an BS ordinance to outlaw the problem. Every one of them can be struck down in court (seen it done), but it will cost you thousands of dollars, and years in court. And the town has lawyers on retainer.

The smaller the town, the worse it is. The townies consider it their birthright to run the town as they see fit. They take care of their friends and family first, and fark the rest of you.

I worked in one small southern new hampshire town (as a remodeling contractor) where the largest builder/developer in that area was a selectman for awhile. How do you think his inspections went? Pretty much like you imagine.

DON'T even get me started with zoning laws. While zoning started out as a good idea, it is probably the most abused.
 
2012-08-11 09:17:41 AM
Holland does all kinds of cool stuff, like sponser the Blackwater Death Squads in Iraq.
 
2012-08-11 09:21:21 AM

phojochris: Good job Holland. You were getting such great press already for being a city full of bigots that hates "the gays" more than any other city in the mitten....


Agreed. Holland isn't exactly a bastion of progressivism.
 
2012-08-11 09:21:45 AM
If this family was relying on Nathan's permit-less hotdog money to pay for mortgage (which is the way the article tries to spin it) then I'm pretty sure they were doomed from the start.
 
2012-08-11 09:24:13 AM
"Nate and I are now in a shelter," Lynette Johnson said. "Doug can't stay with us because he takes prescription narcotics to deal with his pain and the shelter does not allow him with those kinds of drugs."

Loks like there is rule-following douchebaggery all over this story.

Rules, gotta have rules. Gotta follow rules. Rules.
 
2012-08-11 09:26:26 AM

Brubold:
This has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with government's burning desire to regulate the fark out of everything to make more money. Permits and licenses are purely a shakedown in the guise of making us safer.


I'm sure the local "government" (you know people who also live and work in the community) came up with all these regulations on their very own and were no way influenced by local businesses or chambers of commerce.
 
2012-08-11 09:29:48 AM

phojochris: Good job Holland. You were getting such great press already for being a city full of bigots that hates "the gays" more than any other city in the mitten....


Oh, that's not even true. Although it does get them in the news.

/in the summer heat I might
 
2012-08-11 09:31:41 AM
Damn Dutch
 
2012-08-11 09:33:46 AM
Didn't RTFA.

Kid probably violated health codes, labor laws, zoning ordinances, signage laws, tax law, union rules, and god-knows what other red tape.

Another potential Standard Oil has just been crushed in it's grave.

I visit that town from time to time. Feel so much safer.

Yay progressivism.
 
2012-08-11 09:36:43 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: phojochris: Good job Holland. You were getting such great press already for being a city full of bigots that hates "the gays" more than any other city in the mitten....

Agreed. Holland isn't exactly a bastion of progressivism.


I accidentally took a picture with a statue of the founder of Blackwater there once. IIRC he posed for it anyway.

/his dad was mayor
 
2012-08-11 09:36:49 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "Nate and I are now in a shelter," Lynette Johnson said. "Doug can't stay with us because he takes prescription narcotics to deal with his pain and the shelter does not allow him with those kinds of drugs."

Loks like there is rule-following douchebaggery all over this story.

Rules, gotta have rules. Gotta follow rules. Rules.


I'm surprised that's legal. The man has multiple sclerosis - it's not like he's taking bath salts for fun. I can understand the shelter could have concerns about theft or safety or liability or something, but how hard could it be to have a locked med cabinet if that's the case. Instead, they separate a man from his family because of what's been prescribed to help him deal with a disability. You GO, War on Drugs!
 
2012-08-11 09:38:45 AM
0bamanomics strikes again.

We need a comeback team!!
 
2012-08-11 09:40:34 AM
Sad for the boy but kind of glad the magnifying glass might linger a little longer at the oppressive Dutch Christian Reformed here. These people are nuts.

The good news is that they're getting old and our demographic is changing (Hispanic, Asian). Maybe someday in my lifetime we'll be known for something other then our stick-up-the-butt Dutch founders.

/holland, MI Farker
 
2012-08-11 09:42:21 AM

AbbeySomeone: Way to crush a kid's entrepenurial spirits city of Holland.
Btw, the family isn't homeless because they shut his stand down, but good angle to play.


Entrepenurial spirits ? ? ?

I see you got the brain damage from that explosion at the republican cliche factory.

There is nothing more sad than somebody so lacking in will power that they have allowed raygun-speak to take over their vocabulary.
 
2012-08-11 09:46:26 AM

angrycrank: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "Nate and I are now in a shelter," Lynette Johnson said. "Doug can't stay with us because he takes prescription narcotics to deal with his pain and the shelter does not allow him with those kinds of drugs."

Loks like there is rule-following douchebaggery all over this story.

Rules, gotta have rules. Gotta follow rules. Rules.

I'm surprised that's legal. The man has multiple sclerosis - it's not like he's taking bath salts for fun. I can understand the shelter could have concerns about theft or safety or liability or something, but how hard could it be to have a locked med cabinet if that's the case. Instead, they separate a man from his family because of what's been prescribed to help him deal with a disability. You GO, War on Drugs!


You can't have narcotics in a place like that because every down and out junkie will be spending most of their time trying to get hold of them. Newsflash - many people in those shelters aren't real stellar citizens and have drug issues and/or need the money that the sale of those meds would bring them.
 
2012-08-11 09:52:25 AM

jack21221: AbbeySomeone: Way to crush a kid's entrepenurial spirits city of Holland.
Btw, the family isn't homeless because they shut his stand down, but good angle to play.

In a way, they are. The money brought in by the hot dog stand could have been used to help pay bills.


Odd, the money spent on the cart, hot dogs and buns could have done the same thing.
 
2012-08-11 09:54:18 AM
Poor kid won't have the opportunity to take part in the "opportunity society" now. Now he has to live with all those people at the shelter that made "poor decisions".

I'll have more to say about this on Monday at 3:00 pm est.
 
2012-08-11 09:57:43 AM
This is a great society. Capitalism and laws to protect, not the citizens, but business and the wealthy. What is even better is the populous is convinced they can be wealthy too if they just have faith. A delusional populous is the way to a wonderful system for the wealthy.
 
2012-08-11 10:02:49 AM
Hot dogs, Armour Hot Dogs!
What kinds of kids eat Armour Hot Dogs?
Big kids, little kids, kids who climb on rocks,
fat kids, skinny kids, even kids with chicken pox
love hot dogs, Armour Dot Dogs
The dogs kids love to bite!
 
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