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(Politico)   Time magazine suspends thoughtful, nuanced columnist Fareed Zakaria for thoughtful, nuanced plagiarism   (politico.com) divider line 96
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2012-08-10 08:16:17 PM
Then who was phone?
 
2012-08-10 08:16:46 PM
Plagiarism is the sincerest form of literary flattery.
 
2012-08-10 08:18:26 PM
I'm no expert here, but it kind of looks like paraphrasing to me. Well, maybe, kinda sorta?
 
2012-08-10 08:19:00 PM
Ugly and a thief, NEXT!
 
2012-08-10 08:20:11 PM
The last sentence from the plagiarized article:

"So when people throw up their hands and say we can't do anything about guns, tell them they're being un-American--and unintelligent."

I'm always up for differing opinions and debate, but this guy is a douche.

/who's the unintelligent one now?
 
2012-08-10 08:20:16 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started
 
2012-08-10 08:21:31 PM
Ooh, for a whole month he's suspended.

I wonder if Time plagiarized a strongly-worded UN letter when they notified him.
 
2012-08-10 08:22:55 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started


I don't know what school you went to, but that certainly wasn't my experience. Plagiarism or cheating could and would get you expelled. Now, many professors require you to submit your work through a program that can determine if it has been plagiarized.

In fact, one of my roommates was expelled for plagiarizing one of my papers without my knowledge.
 
2012-08-10 08:23:26 PM
Since the Obama administration instructs the media puppets on what to publish I fail to see how any of them could technically ever commit plagiarism.
 
2012-08-10 08:25:24 PM
It'd be nice if he would go back and site his columns so we can know who we've actually been reading. Because they were quite good, and I would like to continue reading them.
 
2012-08-10 08:25:42 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started


I think once you've been editor of Newsweek International, editor-at-large for Time, and hosted your own PBS and CNN shows, your career has probably more than gotten started.

He knew better, and this deserves more than a slap on the wrist (which, effectively, is all a one-month suspension is).
 
2012-08-10 08:26:07 PM

Maximer: I'm always up for differing opinions and debate, but this guy is a douche.


Opinions and debate are great, but opinions can be wrong and the people that have them can, in fact, be stupid.
 
2012-08-10 08:26:28 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started
 
2012-08-10 08:28:06 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started
 
2012-08-10 08:29:16 PM
Plagiarism is the sincerest form of literary flattery.
drjekel_mrhyde
 
2012-08-10 08:29:30 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started


The lack of Grammar Nazi in you is astonishing. I am both impressed and horrified.
 
2012-08-10 08:29:45 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started
 
2012-08-10 08:32:02 PM
Plagiarism is a huge deal; and as Fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are basically permitted to copy others' work, as professors don't desire to do anything that will lower their course ratings - which are tied to promotions and merit increases in salary. Students go through their educational experience, thinking it is no big whoop as it is never punished. They then get out in the "real world", contribute a stolen article for work, and a career is ruined before it begins.
 
2012-08-10 08:33:23 PM
Plagiarism is no laughing matter, and Fareed is about to discover it can destroy a reputation. Post-secondary students can often plagiarize with impunity, since their profs and TA's are reluctant to do anything that will lower course statistics and make them look bad when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. As a result, students progress through college thinking plagiarism is a minor infraction at best, and that they are unlikely to be punished anyway. Once they move on to the working world, if they write work product that contains plagiarized material it will be taken very seriously and immediately ruin their career prospects.
 
2012-08-10 08:37:07 PM
Plagarized but true, amirite?
 
2012-08-10 08:40:19 PM
Plagiarism is no laughing matter, and Fareed is about to discover it can destroy a reputation. Post-secondary students can often plagiarize with impunity, since their profs and TA's are reluctant to do anything that will lower course statistics and make them look bad when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. As a result, students progress through college thinking plagiarism is a minor infraction at best, and that they are unlikely to be punished anyway. Once they move on to the working world, if they write work product that contains plagiarized material it will be taken very seriously and immediately ruin their career prospects.
 
2012-08-10 08:42:03 PM
Yeah, he should have put the words into a blender before reprinting them, but honestly, this whole paragraph was just a list of relevant facts. If I were to write "The first five Presidents were Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe," I'm sure someone has written that sentence before. It's not like he was expressing some incredibly profound opinion.

Still, it was wrong, but I have such incredible respect for Zakaria that I'm willing to get over this lapse of judgment.
 
2012-08-10 08:42:14 PM

Maximer: Pumpernickel bread: Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started

I don't know what school you went to, but that certainly wasn't my experience. Plagiarism or cheating could and would get you expelled. Now, many professors require you to submit your work through a program that can determine if it has been plagiarized.

In fact, one of my roommates was expelled for plagiarizing one of my papers without my knowledge.


So how many papers did your roommate plagiarize with your knowledge?

And that's OK, apparently? You only got mad 'cause roomie stole one? What, didn't get the $25 or free pizza? You a business major or something?
 
2012-08-10 08:44:02 PM
As the saying goes: "Copying from one is Plagiarism. Copying from many is research. "

/Lazy journalism is a big problem in the media.
/more often it's because they prefer opinion over actual insight.
 
2012-08-10 08:45:43 PM
Plagiarism is nothing to joke about, and Fareed is about to find out how it can destroy a reputation. Students in higher education courses can often plagiarize with impunity, since their instructors are reluctant to do anything that may jeopardize course statistics and make them look less attractive when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. As a result, students tend to go through college thinking plagiarism is a minor infraction at best, and that they are at low risk to be punished anyway. As soon as they move on to the working world, if they write work product that contains plagiarized material it will be considered a serious indiscretion, and immediately threatens their employment prospects.
 
2012-08-10 08:54:05 PM
All this could have been avoided if you you just wrote "As Jill Lepore of the New Yorker posited..." Seriously people, citations aren't that hard.
 
2012-08-10 08:55:12 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: Plagiarism is nothing to joke about, and Fareed is about to find out how it can destroy a reputation. Students in higher education courses can often plagiarize with impunity, since their instructors are reluctant to do anything that may jeopardize course statistics and make them look less attractive when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. As a result, students tend to go through college thinking plagiarism is a minor infraction at best, and that they are at low risk to be punished anyway. As soon as they move on to the working world, if they write work product that contains plagiarized material it will be considered a serious indiscretion, and immediately threatens their employment prospects.


ibid., post 25

/Amidoinitrite?
 
2012-08-10 08:57:47 PM
Nice.
 
2012-08-10 08:58:21 PM
If I ever had a gig as a columnist or op/ed writer, my concern would be unintentional plagiarism. It's happened to me many times that I'll think about how to explain something, come up with a phrasing that I think sounds good, and then only later realize it was in my head because read it somewhere. What exactly are the 'rules' concerning unintentional plagiarism like that?
 
2012-08-10 09:06:13 PM
Plagiarism is nothing to joke about, and Fareed is about to find out how it can permanently damage a reputation. Students in university can often plagiarize freely, since their instructors are reluctant to do anything that may jeopardize course statistics and make them look less attractive when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. As a result, students tend to go through college thinking plagiarism is a minor crime at best, and that they are at low risk to be punished anyway. As soon as they are hired for a real job, if they produce work product that contains plagiarized material it will be punished seriously, threatening their employment prospects. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, she said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air!"
 
2012-08-10 09:06:14 PM
Plagiarism may be hysterically funny, but it can unfairly crush your rep, as Fareed is about to grasp lickety-split. Kindergarteners are generally allowed to copy each other because their teachers are lazy, unethical and tenured, and because of this kids grow up thinking that it's cool and doesn't cause any harm, just like drugs. But then they grow up, invent crap on their resume and get hired as CEO of Yahoo.
 
2012-08-10 09:06:36 PM

Maximer: In fact, one of my roommates was expelled for plagiarizing one of my papers without my knowledge


You are lucky. I had a friend copy a 6 page proof once (logic paper), and we were both under threat of suspension. Even though the guy admitted it was he who did the copying, and the Dean admitted it was obvious that he had copied from me - because he failed to copy the last few lines of the proof on the back of the last page. I was young and naive and had no idea I could be suspended if someone else stole my work. Yeah, you can bet my answer was 'no' the next time someone casually asked if they could see my assignment.


Pumpernickel bread: College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises.


Maybe in business school or applied creative media studies. In engineering it can be the end of your stay at that school.
 
2012-08-10 09:06:47 PM
Not to interrupt on the wit and wisdom going on here...but really.

How many different ways can someone say " Laws banning the carrying of concealed weapons were passed in Kentucky and Louisiana in 1813, and other states soon followed: Indiana (1820), Tennessee and Virginia (1838), Alabama (1839), and Ohio (1859). Similar laws were passed in Texas, Florida, and Oklahoma."

Not to defend Zakaria, if he did plagiarize it, but IS there another way to say something like this, and not have it sound like either you stole it, or like a high-school student desperately trying not to sound like he stole it. ("Gun control laws were first passed in Alabama in 1839, but before that they had been passed in Virginia (1838) and even longer ago in Kentucky. (1813) Lousiana did the same, and Indiana did in 1820." I mean, I GUESS that isn't plagiarism, but any dry recitation of facts can't be written in an author's own style.

In fact, Winkler's original phrasing is so dull and repetitious, he probably lifted it from some encyclopedia. Plagiarism is--or should be--when an author lifts a substantial AND UNIQUE section of another's work, and then attempts to pass it off as his own. This kind of thing is sloppy research and failure to correctly cite, but it's not in the same league as copying Lord of the Rings and putting Written By Gyrfalcon underneath, you know?
 
2012-08-10 09:10:35 PM

Virtuoso80: If I ever had a gig as a columnist or op/ed writer, my concern would be unintentional plagiarism. It's happened to me many times that I'll think about how to explain something, come up with a phrasing that I think sounds good, and then only later realize it was in my head because read it somewhere. What exactly are the 'rules' concerning unintentional plagiarism like that?


Ass-kissing and flagrant citation and cash.

;)
 
2012-08-10 09:16:43 PM
Plagiarism is nothing to joke about, and Fareed is about to find out how it can destroy a reputation. Do you like Phil Collins? Students in higher education courses can often plagiarize with impunity, since their instructors are reluctant to do anything that may jeopardize course statistics and make them look less attractive when it's tenure, re-appointments and promotions time. I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. As a result, students tend to go through college thinking plagiarism is a minor infraction at best, and that they are at low risk to be punished anyway. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. As soon as they move on to the working world, if they write work product that contains plagiarized material it will be considered a serious indiscretion, and immediately threatens their employment prospects. Christy, take off your robe.

/that'll work
 
2012-08-10 09:17:49 PM
FAREED at LAST!!
 
2012-08-10 09:17:55 PM
I have a little saying I coined about just this circumstance:

"Plagiarism is the sincerest form of literary flattery."
 
2012-08-10 09:23:12 PM
Not really familiar with Mr Zakaria's writing, but I love his work doing the voice of Moe Szyslak (and others), though I have noticed an uncanny similarity in Comic Book Store Guy's nasally sarcasm to some of Jill Lepore's VoiceOver work. I would be disappointed to learn he took from her work without giving due credit.

/DNRTFA.
 
2012-08-10 09:24:42 PM
Plagiarism is bad-wrong and can get you fired. College students can plagiarize because the profs don't give a rat's ass because the profs want to keep their jerbs. Once the students graduate they can get canned for copying shiat verbatum and never work again except as a jiffy lube attendant, prison guard, or VPOTUS.


turnitin.com

what a bunch of crap, just learn to write.
 
2012-08-10 09:25:48 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started
 
2012-08-10 09:28:57 PM
If Richard Quest still has his own show, Fareed has nothing to worry about.
 
2012-08-10 09:32:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If Richard Quest still has his own show, Fareed has nothing to worry about.


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2012-08-10 09:32:41 PM
If it's legit, then I'm pretty disappointed.
 
2012-08-10 09:33:47 PM
Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started purple monkey dishwasher.
 
2012-08-10 09:37:41 PM
All you have to do to avoid being accused of plagiarizing is to cite your sources.

Is that really so hard or are people so desperate to take credit?
 
2012-08-10 09:39:24 PM
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Plagiarism is good enough for Martin Luther King and Joe Biden so why not a CNN/Time Magazine cog in the left wing mainstrean media. It was about the second amendment, oooooow, guns and there hasn't been anybody on the left who's had an original idea about that since the NYC political thugs of Tammany Hall decided to take away the guns of their political opponents to make their "community organizing" easier and safer and to make things easier for their friends in the Black Hand shaking down the neighborhoods and turning over the proceeds to the politicos.

If anyone had done anything honest, like talk about the 71 year old guy in Florida who gunned down the robbers as being a symbol of the dawn of a new era in citizen gun ownership instead of parroting the party line on a schizo, who would have been locked up until the ACLU freed up all the crazies by the way, he would have been canned like a tuna instead o getting a one month suspension. He's lucky Obama needs every shill in an election year.
 
2012-08-10 09:39:33 PM
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R.I.P. Freed's writing career.
 
2012-08-10 09:39:45 PM
Let's ask Ronnie Mack what he thinks?
 
2012-08-10 09:39:51 PM

scalpod: All you have to do to avoid being accused of plagiarizing is to cite your sources.

Is that really so hard or are people so desperate to take credit?


Exactly.

Give credit where due.

Or pay upon receipt.

;)
 
2012-08-10 09:42:51 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Plagiarism is a big deal and as fareed is about to find out, can ruin a career. College students are pretty much allowed to plagiarize as instructors don't want to do anything that will lower their course ratings that are tied to promotions and merit raises. Students go through school thinking it is no big deal ad it is never punished, then they get out in the real world, submit a plagiarized article for work and a career is ruined before it gets started


Where did you find out about this alarming trend? I'd really appreciate a source or two.

Every assignment written in the departments I was involved in is required to be submitted to various plagiarism detectors. I've seen two students in three years dropped from classes with "FF's" as a result of blatant plagiarism.

So please, I'd like to see you furnish a source with numbers backing up your claim. Otherwise it sounds like uninformed, broad-brush bullish*t.
 
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