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(The Incidental Economist)   Myth: Pharmaceutical companies' R&D costs are skyrocketing. Reality: Pharmaceutical companies' revenues are skyrocketing six times faster than their R&D costs   (theincidentaleconomist.com) divider line 153
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2012-08-10 08:56:54 PM  
Thanks, that was pretty good. Would you like something to drink? I've got Sprite. Do you want some Sprite?
 
2012-08-10 08:58:38 PM  
NSS?
 
2012-08-10 09:02:04 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.


I used to be in pharma R&D,now in pharma doing something else.

The reason R&D cosfs are going up is that it has gotten harder to discover good candidates.

So while there is a grain of truth to the pharma greed argument, its only part of the story.
 
2012-08-10 09:03:56 PM  

Mugato: Grobbley: In a nutshell, I'm saying that to say "I don't trust drug advertisements but I do trust my doctor" is about the same as "I don't trust corporations to do the right thing, but I do trust the government/my representatives to do the right thing"

Alright but doctors do have the whole Hippocratic Oath thing and no, I'm not saying that it means that doctors are beyond reproach but doctors can get sued for malpractice very easily and they can lose their entire career very easily so yes, I will trust a doctor's advice over that of a commercial if for no other reason that a doctor has a lot to lose if he farks up.


I'm also not necessarily suggesting that trusting a doctor will get you killed. I'm just suggesting that they likely don't always have your best interest at heart. For instance, they might have a few different options for medicines to prescribe you, some cheaper than others, but they prescribe the more expensive option because some rep will keep giving them free stuff if they do. Not necessarily malpractice, just not in your best interest.
 
2012-08-10 09:04:47 PM  
I'm actually getting a kick out of this right now, because I'm having to argue with my insurance company over the drugs I've been prescribed.

Vyvance (Lisdextroamfetamine) is a wonderful drug. It's got a lot of efficacy studies out there, it's got a favorable side effect profile, and a low abuse and addiction potential. 250 dollars a month. Insurance company is not wanting to pay for it.

BUT.

THey're happy paying for Desoxyn. Desoxyn is METHAMPHETAMINE. High abuse and addiction potential, high cardiovascular side effect potential.

FML.
 
2012-08-10 09:06:43 PM  
It's BONER TIME!
 
2012-08-10 09:06:48 PM  

namatad: jchic: Why do you think the medical industry is more interested in treating symptoms rather than fighting the root cause of disease?

This is only partially true.
Take hypertension as an example. HT is caused by a myriad of diseases, genetic conditions and just plain you are fat and out of shape. Drugs which treat the HT are a god send and keep 100s of millions of people alive everyday. If you think for a second that a drug company wouldnt want to create a "perfect" diet pill then you are insane.


Please to explain. I understand that the company(s) that make HT drugs wouldn't want to create a "perfect" diet pill. Are they the only companies making drugs? Surely there is some drug company somewhere who isn't making HT drugs that could make a perfect diet pill, if it were possible.

Or do you just eat conspiracies for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day?
 
2012-08-10 09:07:38 PM  
Grobbley: Mugato: Grobbley: In a nutshell, I'm saying that to say "I don't trust drug advertisements but I do trust my doctor" is about the same as "I don't trust corporations to do the right thing, but I do trust the government/my representatives to do the right thing"

Alright but doctors do have the whole Hippocratic Oath thing and no, I'm not saying that it means that doctors are beyond reproach but doctors can get sued for malpractice very easily and they can lose their entire career very easily so yes, I will trust a doctor's advice over that of a commercial if for no other reason that a doctor has a lot to lose if he farks up.

I'm also not necessarily suggesting that trusting a doctor will get you killed. I'm just suggesting that they likely don't always have your best interest at heart. For instance, they might have a few different options for medicines to prescribe you, some cheaper than others, but they prescribe the more expensive option because some rep will keep giving them free stuff if they do. Not necessarily malpractice, just not in your best interest.


I think the best point out of this is do your research, and get a second opinion when a doctor prescribes a drug to you that is new, or that makes you feel uneasy based on that research. Especially if the doctor can't answer your questions to your satisfaction. But don't believe everything you read on the internet. Testimonials are not a good way to get information, because there are a lot of variables that affect individuals who take a certain medication.

Empowerment is great, but - in the end - you're a patient, not a Doctor. University of Google does not take the place of a medical education, and years of clinical experience that a family doctor, or a specialist has in their field.
 
2012-08-10 09:12:05 PM  

pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.

What sort of research are you doing?


I'm a mouse geneticist. I work on developing genetically engineered mouse strains as disease models and for drug development, supporting research efforts in a number of different areas.
 
2012-08-10 09:15:23 PM  

Doc Daneeka: pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.

What sort of research are you doing?

I'm a mouse geneticist. I work on developing genetically engineered mouse strains as disease models and for drug development, supporting research efforts in a number of different areas.


Word. I have a friend at Emory University doing genetics research on Alzheimer's. Just an intellectual curiosity, mostly. Good luck on your work.
 
2012-08-10 09:21:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: /PremPro's (and Premarin's) primary ingredient - estrogen - is derived from horse piss

So? There are numerous drugs that are sourced from animals. Hell, google "Fecal Transplant ICU". if you really want to be grossed out.

What point are you trying to make here?

Amos Quito: Pfizer has paid out over $600 million in settlements due to breast cancer caused by the menopause drug PremPro - so far.

Except that Hormone Replacement Therapy is no longer recommended to be used except in unique, case by case circumstances, and the patients are educated that it causes an increased risk of breast cancer with estrogen-receptor tumors.



Bullshiat. You need to brush up.

HRT is still the ONLY FDA approved treatment for menopause symptoms, and PremPro sales in 2010 were just under 200 million, and Premarin was probably close to that figure.

This is a far cry from their $2 billion peak in annual sales before the WHI study crashed their party, but the initial shock has worn off, and sales are steadily rising again as women are desperate for relief, and there is no FDA approved alternative (other than off-label prescriptions with little to no efficacy).
 
2012-08-10 09:25:05 PM  
Amos Quito: HRT is still the ONLY FDA approved treatment for menopause symptoms, and PremPro sales in 2010 were just under 200 million, and Premarin was probably close to that figure.

Holy shiat. That's terrifying.

The recommendations were, a few years back when this all hit the fan because of the use of HRT to prevent heart disease (when it did exactly the opposite), that the only time Premarin be used for menopausal symptoms were when they were so extreme that they impacted the quality of life a patient had.

Amos Quito: but the initial shock has worn off, and sales are steadily rising again as women are desperate for relief, and there is no FDA approved alternative (other than off-label prescriptions with little to no efficacy).

I'd say the problem lies in the fact that menopausal issues are primarily hormone related problems, and that when you jack with those hormones, it does a whole lot of other things to the body.
 
2012-08-10 09:26:51 PM  

pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.

What sort of research are you doing?

I'm a mouse geneticist. I work on developing genetically engineered mouse strains as disease models and for drug development, supporting research efforts in a number of different areas.

Word. I have a friend at Emory University doing genetics research on Alzheimer's. Just an intellectual curiosity, mostly. Good luck on your work.


*hugs both and scurries away wondering where* ;)
 
2012-08-10 09:27:59 PM  

Doc Daneeka: pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.

What sort of research are you doing?

I'm a mouse geneticist. I work on developing genetically engineered mouse strains as disease models and for drug development, supporting research efforts in a number of different areas.



www.signsbypost.com

Just kidding!

Godspeed, Doc Daneeka

/And PLEASE don't engineer MOUSEZILLA!
 
2012-08-10 09:33:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Doc Daneeka: pxlboy: Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.

What sort of research are you doing?

I'm a mouse geneticist. I work on developing genetically engineered mouse strains as disease models and for drug development, supporting research efforts in a number of different areas.


[www.signsbypost.com image 250x250]

Just kidding!

Godspeed, Doc Daneeka

/And PLEASE don't engineer MOUSEZILLA!


www.brideuniverse.com
 
2012-08-10 09:35:09 PM  

NowhereMon: Not to mention that you can write off 100% of your R&D expenses.


Let's see what they charge in other nations where prices are capped..
 
2012-08-10 09:43:24 PM  
The only people who matter these days are Shareholders.
Greedy, cold-hearted, reptillian shareholders,
And the goddamn politicians they bribe to do their bidding.
 
2012-08-10 09:47:14 PM  
Day_Old_Dutchie: Greedy, cold-hearted, reptillian shareholders,

David Icke? You post on fark?
 
2012-08-10 09:53:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: God-is-a-Taco: I'm stronger than I used to be, I have more energy, and I'm ready for romance if the time comes.

Uh oh, Selective Middle-Aged Memory Loss. It's when you think you're smarter or in better shape at 40 than 20...


You SHOULD be smarter at 40 than 20. Granted, your IQ won't be any higher, but if you should have learned something useful from the additional 20 years of life experiences.
 
2012-08-10 10:00:38 PM  

pxlboy: Mike Chewbacca: pxlboy: MBooda: aaaand their legal expenses are skyrocketing six times faster than their revenues.

You wish

And even if that WAS true, if only there was a way for pharmaceutical companies to limit the suits they lose. Like I don't know, properly vetting your drugs and making sure that diabetes drug isn't going to kill your customers. Whacky thought, I know.

Right?


Well, sure. We all know that every settlement against Big Pharma is just.

/you wish
 
2012-08-10 10:02:03 PM  
MBooda: pxlboy: Mike Chewbacca: pxlboy: MBooda: aaaand their legal expenses are skyrocketing six times faster than their revenues.

You wish

And even if that WAS true, if only there was a way for pharmaceutical companies to limit the suits they lose. Like I don't know, properly vetting your drugs and making sure that diabetes drug isn't going to kill your customers. Whacky thought, I know.

Right?

Well, sure. We all know that every settlement against Big Pharma is just.

/you wish


Oh. Burn.
 
2012-08-10 10:04:41 PM  

MBooda: pxlboy: Mike Chewbacca: pxlboy: MBooda: aaaand their legal expenses are skyrocketing six times faster than their revenues.

You wish

And even if that WAS true, if only there was a way for pharmaceutical companies to limit the suits they lose. Like I don't know, properly vetting your drugs and making sure that diabetes drug isn't going to kill your customers. Whacky thought, I know.

Right?

Well, sure. We all know that every settlement against Big Pharma is just.

/you wish


Seriously?

The Architects of the World Through Chemicality have proven repeatedly their incompetence when it comes to benefit over profit. 'Nuff said.
 
2012-08-10 10:23:52 PM  

Amos Quito: The drug company only wants to make a profit and your doctor is only investing 15 minutes in your well-being.

It's YOUR health. Why should you trust anyone?


Because my doctor went to medical school, practices medicine professionally, and knows what the fark he's talking about.

Finally, pay attention to your body. Each drug works differently for each individual. If it's not working well for you, contact your doctor. There are probably a dozen alternatives.

So were you under the impression that anyone, anywhere, ever, was advocating that once an initial diagnosis has been made and a prescription has been given that there should be no follow-up?
 
2012-08-10 10:28:01 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: HRT is still the ONLY FDA approved treatment for menopause symptoms, and PremPro sales in 2010 were just under 200 million, and Premarin was probably close to that figure.

Holy shiat. That's terrifying.

The recommendations were, a few years back when this all hit the fan because of the use of HRT to prevent heart disease (when it did exactly the opposite), that the only time Premarin be used for menopausal symptoms were when they were so extreme that they impacted the quality of life a patient had.

Amos Quito: but the initial shock has worn off, and sales are steadily rising again as women are desperate for relief, and there is no FDA approved alternative (other than off-label prescriptions with little to no efficacy).

I'd say the problem lies in the fact that menopausal issues are primarily hormone related problems, and that when you jack with those hormones, it does a whole lot of other things to the body.



Damn straight. I did a lot of research on this topic when the Mrs. was having a bad go with menopause a while back. Read a very interesting study by a Dr. Freedman on how estrogen interacts with neurotransmitters, and this would seem to explain why women suffer from such a wide variety symptoms during menopause.

This interaction with neurotransmitters may be why SSRI and SNRI antidepressants seem to be effective in relieving hot flashes and night sweat symptoms - at least in some women - but the side effects can be nasty, especially with the SNRI's.

"Mrs. Quito" could not take hormones due to family history of cancer, and suffered horribly from hot flashes, mood swings, depression and many other symptoms. She tried the AD's, (Effexor) but they didn't sit well with her at all, and the withdrawals were like coming off of heroin..

She also tried soy, Remifemin (black cohosh), red clover, chinese herbs and just about every other "natural" remedy you can think of with little or no luck. This went on for years, driving both of us crazy, and it got to the point where she couldn't work, and took a leave of absence. I spent a fortune, and it was maddening.

Finally she bought a product on Amazon that really did work for her, and fast. The difference in her (our) quality of life has been amazing. Her hot flashes and night sweats are all but gone, her emotional and anxiety craziness has really mellowed out. She's happy, back to work, and life has pretty much gotten back to "normal", if there is such a thing.
 
2012-08-10 10:43:37 PM  

BMFPitt: Amos Quito: The drug company only wants to make a profit and your doctor is only investing 15 minutes in your well-being.

It's YOUR health. Why should you trust anyone?

Because my doctor went to medical school, practices medicine professionally, and knows what the fark he's talking about.

Finally, pay attention to your body. Each drug works differently for each individual. If it's not working well for you, contact your doctor. There are probably a dozen alternatives.

So were you under the impression that anyone, anywhere, ever, was advocating that once an initial diagnosis has been made and a prescription has been given that there should be no follow-up?



Not at all. It's just that many people seem to place an undue amount of faith in their doctors and the candy they prescribe. Doctors are always pressed for time, and most people don't ask enough questions or bother to research their meds, and are SHOCKED when they start having unexpected adverse effects.

Point is, you are your own best health advocate.
 
2012-08-10 11:01:48 PM  
And they pay tort lawyers more. It's more than R&D, you have research, you have marketing, etc. And if they didn't make a drug they'd be investigated.
 
2012-08-10 11:02:32 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I recently left academia and took a position as research scientist at a mid-sized biotech/pharma.

Personally, I love the work and the company so far. But I have to say it is an interesting feeling being in apparently one of the most hated industries on Fark.


Yeah, but they're conflicted on vaccines. They hate the anti-vax schlock but can't reconcile with the eeeeeevil pharma industry.

/Small biotech company
//Just want to make more than $35k for all the work I do
 
2012-08-10 11:03:38 PM  

jchic: Why do you think the medical industry is more interested in treating symptoms rather than fighting the root cause of disease?


Because we already know the root cause of most disease?

/obesity/poor diet/sloth
//cigarettes
///excessive etoh
 
2012-08-10 11:08:04 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Mambo Bananapatch: barring degenerative mental illness or brain damage.

Being over 30 *IS* a degenerative mental illness. You just THINK you're smarter. Fine. Go back to university. You wouldn't last a week.


I went back to university at the age of 50 for a graduate degree (MBA). I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. The program lasted much longer than a week. Interestingly, my professors often told me that younger students couldn't write a coherent essay.
 
2012-08-10 11:17:01 PM  

laid back w/bud light: Try losing your job and insurance when you're on Stelara to clear your psoriasis. I was totally clear of the horrible skin disease on that drug. Months later I'm covered in plaque. Basically your skin grows too fast and dies off leaving pieces of dead skin the size of corn flakes that itch to no end. I called the pharma company to see If I could purchase it and have my dermatologist give me the shot (required 4 times a year). The price for one injection is $6,900 or close to $28,000 dollars per year. Wearing shorts is a luxury to me.


=========

You're just not boot strappy enough. If you were a quality person, instead of a whiny welfare whore, you'd go out and start a business, or go back back to school and study the hot new thing, or get three more minimum wage jobs. I'm tired of you "gimme, gimme" types...............Add your own Ayn Rand, Austrian School, Mitt Romney GOP bullshiat here _______________.
 
2012-08-10 11:23:29 PM  

NowhereMon: Not to mention that you get the patents that were tax payer paid for and university patented.

 
2012-08-10 11:24:05 PM  

NowhereMon: Not to mention that you can write off 100% of your R&D expenses.


That's only if they are actually "their" cost.
Pharmas get hundreds of millions in government subsidies to pay for R&D to encourage them to invest in R&D.
 
2012-08-10 11:41:05 PM  
I work at a pharma company. I can tell you that they don't spend much on R&D and they don't pass the savings on to you.

Ways to avoid spending on R&D:
-Find new indications for existing drugs
-Extending existing patents
-Slight reformulations of existing drugs

Also, what money they spend goes to layers of ineffectual middle management.

/bitter
 
2012-08-10 11:44:43 PM  

NowhereMon: Not to mention that you can write off 100% of your R&D expenses.


Seriously dude, what do you think "write off" means? They are expenses, like all expenses, they mitigate revenue to create profit. profit is what you are taxed on.
 
2012-08-10 11:45:45 PM  
The number of people doing R&D is relatively fixed because it's an advanced career path and even a push for new pharmaceutical researchers would take 5-10 years to make a change.

The number of people popping pills is going up because a)people in the west are getting old b) people in the rest of the world are starting to afford western diseases.
 
2012-08-10 11:49:33 PM  
See?
 
2012-08-11 12:25:59 AM  
So, if drug companies are making much more than what they put into R&D I should go long?

Or should I short them because they aren't spending enough on R&D?

Which companies specifically?
 
2012-08-11 12:31:29 AM  

Farxist Marxist: Quantum Apostrophe: Mambo Bananapatch: barring degenerative mental illness or brain damage.

Being over 30 *IS* a degenerative mental illness. You just THINK you're smarter. Fine. Go back to university. You wouldn't last a week.

I went back to university at the age of 50 for a graduate degree (MBA). I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. The program lasted much longer than a week. Interestingly, my professors often told me that younger students couldn't write a coherent essay.


In a few weeks, at the age of 32, I'm going back to college for IT. I'll have to check back in on whether it's more or less difficult than the last go-round.
 
Skr
2012-08-11 12:39:25 AM  

Amos Quito: BronyMedic: Amos Quito: HRT is still the ONLY FDA approved treatment for menopause symptoms, and PremPro sales in 2010 were just under 200 million, and Premarin was probably close to that figure.

Holy shiat. That's terrifying.

The recommendations were, a few years back when this all hit the fan because of the use of HRT to prevent heart disease (when it did exactly the opposite), that the only time Premarin be used for menopausal symptoms were when they were so extreme that they impacted the quality of life a patient had.

Amos Quito: but the initial shock has worn off, and sales are steadily rising again as women are desperate for relief, and there is no FDA approved alternative (other than off-label prescriptions with little to no efficacy).

I'd say the problem lies in the fact that menopausal issues are primarily hormone related problems, and that when you jack with those hormones, it does a whole lot of other things to the body.


Damn straight. I did a lot of research on this topic when the Mrs. was having a bad go with menopause a while back. Read a very interesting study by a Dr. Freedman on how estrogen interacts with neurotransmitters, and this would seem to explain why women suffer from such a wide variety symptoms during menopause.

This interaction with neurotransmitters may be why SSRI and SNRI antidepressants seem to be effective in relieving hot flashes and night sweat symptoms - at least in some women - but the side effects can be nasty, especially with the SNRI's.

"Mrs. Quito" could not take hormones due to family history of cancer, and suffered horribly from hot flashes, mood swings, depression and many other symptoms. She tried the AD's, (Effexor) but they didn't sit well with her at all, and the withdrawals were like coming off of heroin..

She also tried soy, Remifemin (black cohosh), red clover, chinese herbs and just about every other "natural" remedy you can think of with little or no luck. This went on for years, driving both of us crazy ...


Premarin and then Effexor really messed my mother up. One of those 'Cure worse than the disease' scenarios. That Wisdom stuff on Amazon looks promising, but trying to get her to take anything even vaguely holistic looking would be futile -_-
 
2012-08-11 01:15:02 AM  

MacWizard: You SHOULD be smarter at 40 than 20. Granted, your IQ won't be any higher, but if you should have learned something useful from the additional 20 years of life experiences.


You're just coasting at that point. It's demented to think you can learn and think as fast as in your 20s. And as for your physical side, come on. Stop bullshiatting yourself. You're a fat, slow, farty, hairy and dumb version of you at 20. Easily tired, prone to injury, fearful and unable to learn new things.

But the species will totally conquer the infinite reaches of space with a modified ape with the lifespan of a gnat.
 
2012-08-11 01:25:02 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: MacWizard: You SHOULD be smarter at 40 than 20. Granted, your IQ won't be any higher, but if you should have learned something useful from the additional 20 years of life experiences.

You're just coasting at that point. It's demented to think you can learn and think as fast as in your 20s. And as for your physical side, come on. Stop bullshiatting yourself. You're a fat, slow, farty, hairy and dumb version of you at 20. Easily tired, prone to injury, fearful and unable to learn new things.

But the species will totally conquer the infinite reaches of space with a modified ape with the lifespan of a gnat.


Cold.
 
2012-08-11 02:25:18 AM  
Told you so. Years and years ago.

Most ignored me. Many told me I was full of shiat. Glad to notice that those smarter than me are saying similar things to what I said.

BTW. I don't suppose anyone recalls the little report years ago, about the Great, Kind and Caring Pharmaceutical Industries millions of (tax write-off) drugs to charities and needy nations?

Seems most of those drugs were expired, due to be destroyed but some corporate genius figured out how to make more money off them without the expense of disposal.

You can't even give your unused, hideously expensive drugs away to the needy. It's against the law. Big Pharma backed that bill heavily. You're not supposed to toss them either -- you can pollute the water and soil. However, many pharmacies will take your unneeded drugs and ship them away for proper disposal -- usually a drug company -- for a fee.

This all started about the time lawyers discovered they could become billionaires by suing drug companies for even the tiniest medication reaction.

Oh. All of those discount drug cards you see all over the place? They're worthless if you have Medicare Pt. D. and almost everyone on Medicare has to have Pt.-D.
 
2012-08-11 02:49:11 AM  
Within 10 years, you will be able to walk into a Walgreen's with a diagnosis from your doctor, stick your finger in a device for a blood sample, wait 30 minutes (or less), and walk out with a designer drug tailored to your body. This will include certain types of cancers, which will be eliminated by that drug. Also no side effects beyond possibly a mild fever.
 
2012-08-11 03:52:50 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: I work at a pharma company. I can tell you that they don't spend much on R&D and they don't pass the savings on to you.

Ways to avoid spending on R&D:
-Find new indications for existing drugs
-Extending existing patents
-Slight reformulations of existing drugs

Also, what money they spend goes to layers of ineffectual middle management.

/bitter


The HELL you say.
 
2012-08-11 03:54:49 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: MacWizard: You SHOULD be smarter at 40 than 20. Granted, your IQ won't be any higher, but if you should have learned something useful from the additional 20 years of life experiences.

You're just coasting at that point. It's demented to think you can learn and think as fast as in your 20s. And as for your physical side, come on. Stop bullshiatting yourself. You're a fat, slow, farty, hairy and dumb version of you at 20. Easily tired, prone to injury, fearful and unable to learn new things.

But the species will totally conquer the infinite reaches of space with a modified ape with the lifespan of a gnat.


I didn't say you can learn and think as fast as in your 20s when you get to 40, nor did I suggest that you would be a better physical specimen. Just that you should be smarter with an extra 20 years of experience.

And one of the things that most of us learn is that we did a lot of stupid shiat when we were 20.
 
2012-08-11 05:04:43 AM  
wraithmare: Within 10 years, you will be able to walk into a Walgreen's with a diagnosis from your doctor, stick your finger in a device for a blood sample, wait 30 minutes (or less), and walk out with a designer drug tailored to your body. This will include certain types of cancers, which will be eliminated by that drug. Also no side effects beyond possibly a mild fever.

Genetic Engineering and Nanotechnology are wonderful, aren't they?
 
2012-08-11 08:17:14 AM  

BronyMedic: wraithmare: Within 10 years, you will be able to walk into a Walgreen's with a diagnosis from your doctor, stick your finger in a device for a blood sample, wait 30 minutes (or less), and walk out with a designer drug tailored to your body. This will include certain types of cancers, which will be eliminated by that drug. Also no side effects beyond possibly a mild fever.

Genetic Engineering and Nanotechnology are wonderful, aren't they?


And you'll walk out to your flying car into a cheery world of helpful robots and homes that hover.
 
2012-08-11 10:29:07 AM  

BronyMedic: I'm actually getting a kick out of this right now, because I'm having to argue with my insurance company over the drugs I've been prescribed.

Vyvance (Lisdextroamfetamine) is a wonderful drug. It's got a lot of efficacy studies out there, it's got a favorable side effect profile, and a low abuse and addiction potential. 250 dollars a month. Insurance company is not wanting to pay for it.

BUT.

THey're happy paying for Desoxyn. Desoxyn is METHAMPHETAMINE. High abuse and addiction potential, high cardiovascular side effect potential.

FML.


The faster they can turn you into a tweaker and either get your heart to explode or doing the mind-bogglingly stupid shiat tweakers do, the faster they can get your money-sink ass off their rolls. Insurance perfected every bit of evil and gouging that pharma is accused of, centuries before.
 
2012-08-11 12:20:16 PM  
I used to sympathize with the big pharmaceutical manufacturers, because it costs over 900 mil to get a drug on the market, and only 1 in 1000 chemicals developed actually make it, but then I found out they spend 3 times as much on marketing as they do on R & D. Who do they really have to market to? If its really worth a damn, docs and pharmacists are going to find out about it.

Try this big pharma: Don't make crap you know is a marketing gimmick. I won't name specific drugs in public but you know the ones. Where you use one isomer instead of another but there's no clinical difference in efficacy, or make a controlled release product of a drug with a 12 hour half-life. I could go on, but you know what I'm talking about, because you have to pay the guys who destroy that crap when it goes out of date.
 
2012-08-11 12:22:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: meow said the dog: Hold on I thought they could no longer make the profits due to the Obamacare?

Considering that most of the R&D is done in places like Europe, Southeast Asia and Israel. I'm not surprised.


Actually a great deal of it is done at American universities as well, so it's partially taxpayer funded.
 
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