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(Time)   America is quietly killing it when it comes to renewable energy   (swampland.time.com) divider line 186
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2012-08-10 11:20:17 AM  
I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.
 
2012-08-10 11:44:05 AM  
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2012-08-10 11:57:19 AM  

mrshowrules: I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.


The US generates around 4500 TwH of electricity every year. We've been building large scale solar and wind generation for about 10 or 15 years, and for half that time our government has been actively trying to prevent solar/wind expansion. Give it some time.
 
2012-08-10 11:58:32 AM  
I'm killing it softly with my schlong.

/Killing it softly.
//With my schlong.
 
2012-08-10 12:00:34 PM  
Yeah, but Obama once invested in SOLYNDRA! That means Sarah Palin is automatically president and Obama has to breathe in deeply around coal plants and eat depleted uranium rods.
 
2012-08-10 12:01:12 PM  
The article touches on it, but more infrastructure investment for updating the grid should be a priority.
 
2012-08-10 12:01:28 PM  

Jubeebee: mrshowrules: I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.

The US generates around 4500 TwH of electricity every year. We've been building large scale solar and wind generation for about 10 or 15 years, and for half that time our government has been actively trying to prevent solar/wind expansion. Give it some time.


Indeed. Doubling in a few years is a pretty good feat. It just takes a while.
 
2012-08-10 12:01:42 PM  
That's good news... For America.
 
2012-08-10 12:02:18 PM  
fta Mitt Romney has suggested that wind and solar are "imaginary" sources of energy, but they can now power 15 million homes, and their industries employ more than 300,000 Americans. That's real.

Those aren't real 'Merican jobs. Those are wussy, green, liberal jobs. Not one of them involves monster trucks, bull riding, guns or binge drinking.
 
2012-08-10 12:02:52 PM  
We should be killing it a lot more, but yes Romney attacking Obama on solar energy is ridiculous.
 
2012-08-10 12:03:03 PM  
It's gonna take a lot of time.

You have to convince a lot of rural Republicans it isn't a plot by Al Gore, but a good way to make them money or save them money.

That's what got my dad to throw in a large chunk of his land into the wind turbine land pool. GE or DTE (can't remember which) give him a small monthly rent just for having it in the pool, and if they choose to build a turbine there, he'll get a larger rent, plus (from what I have heard) a portion of the revenue earned from selling the electricity that particular turbine produces.
 
2012-08-10 12:04:00 PM  

Notabunny: fta Mitt Romney has suggested that wind and solar are "imaginary" sources of energy, but they can now power 15 million homes, and their industries employ more than 300,000 Americans. That's real.

Those aren't real 'Merican jobs. Those are wussy, green, liberal jobs. Not one of them involves monster trucks, bull riding, guns or binge drinking.


Well, maybe a little binge drinking.

/When the going gets weird, etc.
 
2012-08-10 12:04:12 PM  
The new wind turbines going up along the Erie coast here in Cleveland are AWESOME. I really hope some of these wind farm proposals go through ... very cool stuff!

www.coolcleveland.com

tmi.dcimage.com
 
2012-08-10 12:05:21 PM  
I'm a bit impressed with those numbers. That, combined with the new focus on being a net exporter of refined petro products, should give the US a bit more economic leverage over the ME oil-producing nations.

Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.
 
2012-08-10 12:05:41 PM  

LasersHurt: Jubeebee: mrshowrules: I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.

The US generates around 4500 TwH of electricity every year. We've been building large scale solar and wind generation for about 10 or 15 years, and for half that time our government has been actively trying to prevent solar/wind expansion. Give it some time.

Indeed. Doubling in a few years is a pretty good feat. It just takes a while.


It does need time to grow, but all nations really need to get on the ball sooner than later. More and more climate change is becoming a reality (man made climate change) we can't really ignore. Our weather patterns are getting more unstable, and who knows if we aren't already doomed because of it.
 
2012-08-10 12:05:59 PM  

Romney and his party support outrageous subsidies and tax breaks for the spectacularly wealthy oil industry.


Shocking. Totally shocking, I say.
 
2012-08-10 12:06:04 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Yeah, but Obama once invested in SOLYNDRA! That means Sarah Palin is automatically president and Obama has to breathe in deeply around coal plants and eat depleted uranium rods.


These kind of achievements puts the soylndra talkingpoint into perspective, republicans are trying to poison the well.
 
2012-08-10 12:07:24 PM  

Infernalist: I'm a bit impressed with those numbers. That, combined with the new focus on being a net exporter of refined petro products, should give the US a bit more economic leverage over the ME oil-producing nations.

Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


Because he knows his voting block and they are very self destructive. As long as they can stick it to the libs in any degree, they will proudly harm themselves.
 
2012-08-10 12:08:01 PM  
Obama: [a-mighty-wind.jpg]

Romney: [idiot-wind.mp3]
 
2012-08-10 12:09:59 PM  

Infernalist: Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


And yet here we are.
 
2012-08-10 12:11:16 PM  

Infernalist: I'm a bit impressed with those numbers. That, combined with the new focus on being a net exporter of refined petro products, should give the US a bit more economic leverage over the ME oil-producing nations.

Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


Have you not noticed the GOP's attempts to kill the EPA?
 
2012-08-10 12:11:28 PM  

Infernalist: I'm a bit impressed with those numbers. That, combined with the new focus on being a net exporter of refined petro products, should give the US a bit more economic leverage over the ME oil-producing nations.

Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


Clean air is socialism because Jesus
Link
 
2012-08-10 12:12:26 PM  

mrshowrules: I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.


Compared to which country?

Now compared to which country with anything even remotely resembling geographic size?

None of the current technologies can come close to the energy density of coal and gas. The more we do, the better we will do, but it is absurd to expect that solar and wind as they are now could come anywhere close to meeting our energy needs efficiently.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:21 PM  
After reading that article I feel better about throwing billions of tax dollars into an industry that will ultimately force me to pay more each month for inefficient, high-cost power.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:26 PM  
Wind and solar are long term solutions. Natural gas and, to a lesser extent, shale oil are mid term solutions that are both cleaner than the present fuels and provide a stop-gap until renewables can be utilized efficiently.

We should be converting to natural gas now, while pouring R&D funding into renewables.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:39 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: That's good news... For America.


As gas prices are approaching $4 again...other dependable sources cannot come quick enough.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:41 PM  
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/Roberta Flak.
//Also Betty, Ivy, June, and Prudence Flak.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:46 PM  
What separates man from the beasts of the field is that we have mastered the use of fire. Any piece of shiat tree can use solar power - but when's the last time you saw a tree bomb the shiat out of some terrorists?

If we're not burning the coal and gas that the good Lord gave us to use, we're just taking one giant step backwards.
 
2012-08-10 12:13:59 PM  

Jubeebee: mrshowrules: I'm not impressed with America's anemic shift to renewable energy. First of all, the metric should be the percentage of electricity produced form renewable sources. US (Canada also for that matter) is pathetic in terms of this metric both in terms of present day and plans for the future.

The US generates around 4500 TwH of electricity every year. We've been building large scale solar and wind generation for about 10 or 15 years, and for half that time our government has been actively trying to prevent solar/wind expansion. Give it some time.


I blame the Government for you guys not moving faster. After the 2008 economic collapse, you guys should have sunk $2T-$3T in renewable energy infrastructure. You missed that opportunity to both recovery the economy and become global leaders on renewable energy. I'm not saying the US is doing badly, just that I am not impressed (my country, Canada is worse BTW).
 
2012-08-10 12:14:01 PM  
Mr. Romney, might I suggest that instead of calling these industries 'imaginary', you might consider saying this instead:

"I support clean energy industries. They're on the edge of technology and taking the United States in a great direction and anything that reduces our reliance on foreign oil is never a bad thing.

That said, I do not support whole-sale subsidization of these industries as others do."

There. You're supporting clean energy industries while throwing out a caveat against spending too much money on it.

Maybe I should have been a political operative. Do they pay good?
 
2012-08-10 12:14:33 PM  

NeverDrunk23: As long as they can stick it to the libs in any degree, they will proudly harm themselves.


Makes me wonder how we never set off a nuclear war with the USSR, what, these kinds of Cons are a new breed?

/Born during Reagan's second term
//Can't remember shiat
 
2012-08-10 12:16:28 PM  
Infernmeat0918: You have to convince a lot of rural Republicans it isn't a plot by Al Gore, but a good way to make them money or save them money.

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alist:
I'm a bit impressed with those numbers. That, combined with the new focus on being a net exporter of refined petro products, should give the US a bit more economic leverage over the ME oil-producing nations.

Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2012-08-10 12:16:30 PM  

seadoo2006: The new wind turbines going up along the Erie coast here in Cleveland are AWESOME. I really hope some of these wind farm proposals go through ... very cool stuff!

Since you showed me your Erie coast Wind turbines, I'll show you mine.
Bonus: On a brownfield.
 
2012-08-10 12:16:40 PM  

monoski: As gas prices are approaching $4 again...other dependable sources cannot come quick enough.


Agreed. Alternatives CANNOT come quick enough.

Fossil fuels will be needed for the foreseeable future.

(But alternative energy won't come at all if we don't start)
 
2012-08-10 12:17:23 PM  

pants made out of guns: Notabunny: fta Mitt Romney has suggested that wind and solar are "imaginary" sources of energy, but they can now power 15 million homes, and their industries employ more than 300,000 Americans. That's real.

Those aren't real 'Merican jobs. Those are wussy, green, liberal jobs. Not one of them involves monster trucks, bull riding, guns or binge drinking.

Well, maybe a little binge drinking.

/When the going gets weird, etc.


I've got news for everyone. Having worked in electrical distribution (analyst/developer) for the past 10 years, I can promise you that these "green jobs" aren't going to be going to effete, liberal academics or enviro-conscious hippies.

Linemen will always be linemen and the same beer-swilling good ole boys will be maintaining the grid no matter what source we choose to energize the lines.
 
2012-08-10 12:17:44 PM  

LabGrrl: Since you showed me your Erie coast Wind turbines, I'll show you mine.
Bonus: On a brownfield.


That sounded dirtier than it should have.
 
2012-08-10 12:18:06 PM  

Infernalist: Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


Koch brothers are major investors in Romney's campaign. They mine coal.

What is hard to understand?
 
2012-08-10 12:19:13 PM  
Quit gettin' your renewable energy in my Medicare! My hover-round gets 40 rods to the hogshead and I like it that way!
 
2012-08-10 12:19:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Obama: [a-mighty-wind.jpg]

Romney: [idiot-wind.mp3]


Well, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone named Fartbama.
 
2012-08-10 12:19:52 PM  

Infernalist: Mr. Romney, might I suggest that instead of calling these industries 'imaginary', you might consider saying this instead:

"I support clean energy industries. They're on the edge of technology and taking the United States in a great direction and anything that reduces our reliance on foreign oil is never a bad thing.

That said, I do not support whole-sale subsidization of these industries as others do."

There. You're supporting clean energy industries while throwing out a caveat against spending too much money on it.

Maybe I should have been a political operative. Do they pay good?


The Freeper derp brigade would be burning effigies after hearing that statement. Everything the blah president does or says is evil incarnate and to suggest otherwise is heresy.
 
2012-08-10 12:21:40 PM  

meat0918: You have to convince a lot of rural Republicans it isn't a plot by Al Gore, but a good way to make them money or save them money.


They need to drive the 401 from Winsor to London in Ontario. That area is mostly farm land pin cushioned with wind mills. Everyone of those farmers are making more money than they'd make if they were only farming.

Romney proudly proclaimed this week his plan to end tax credits for wind energy while in Iowa. The people of Iowa understand the importance of renewable energy. Read:

Romney officially endorsed letting the wind energy production tax credit (PTC) expire a move that could kill over 37,000 jobs and disproportionately impact major wind energy states like Iowa.

It is a surprise that Romney would choose the Hawkeye state to highlight the issues of job creation and the middle class when his plans would roll back key investments in both. Iowa is the second largest producer of wind energy in the U.S., and first in overall wind energy jobs, which keep thousands of Iowans employed. Recent polling found that "more than half of voters (57%), including 41% of Republicans and 59% of Independents, would be less likely to vote for a candidate for President if that candidate did not support expanding American wind power generation."

Republican Gov. Terry Branstad agrees. Last Thursday, he came out against Romney's position on wind, criticizing the obvious "confusion" of the Romney team, and saying that he and his staff, "need to get out here in the real world to find out what's really going on." Branstad wasn't alone in his criticism. Several other prominent Republicans, including Sen. Chuck Grassley and Rep. Tom Latham, voiced their concern for Romney's lack of understanding on the issue. "It's the wrong decision," Latham said. And Iowa's largest paper, the Des Moines Register penned a recent editorial criticizing Congress' lack of action on extending the wind tax credit.


Boneheads like Romney are the ones slowing down the development of renewable energy in the US.
 
2012-08-10 12:22:41 PM  

dr.zaeus: Linemen will always be linemen and the same beer-swilling good ole boys will be maintaining the grid no matter what source we choose to energize the lines.


Just look at the guys doing the turbine work now. These aren't hippies. It takes some brawn to haul tools and safety harness up 300 feet of ladder to replace a broken housing. These tend to be great jobs for able bodied who can;t get work otherwise (like if they have a criminal record and stuff).
 
2012-08-10 12:22:51 PM  
Should also add my republican in-laws live in the triangle between the Fenner, Munnsville and Madison Windfarms in Central New York. They love them, but then again, FIL is an engineer, so we get to hear about how they work...repeatedly. And the time a tower fell down...repeatedly.
 
2012-08-10 12:23:05 PM  

dr.zaeus: pants made out of guns: Notabunny: fta Mitt Romney has suggested that wind and solar are "imaginary" sources of energy, but they can now power 15 million homes, and their industries employ more than 300,000 Americans. That's real.

Those aren't real 'Merican jobs. Those are wussy, green, liberal jobs. Not one of them involves monster trucks, bull riding, guns or binge drinking.

Well, maybe a little binge drinking.

/When the going gets weird, etc.

I've got news for everyone. Having worked in electrical distribution (analyst/developer) for the past 10 years, I can promise you that these "green jobs" aren't going to be going to effete, liberal academics or enviro-conscious hippies.

Linemen will always be linemen and the same beer-swilling good ole boys will be maintaining the grid no matter what source we choose to energize the lines.


As long as they can walk through the door at Devry, I could care less. The world needs ditch-diggers too, who cares if they like Bob Marley or Nickleback?
 
2012-08-10 12:23:06 PM  
Wow, what an Obama puff piece.

"Wind and solar essentially were imaginary before Obama took office..."

bullshiat.

Link

Colorado voters approved a 30% standard for renewables, Obama and the federal government had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-08-10 12:23:14 PM  
Noone seems to mention that Obama seems to enjoy killing migratory birds, at the expense of a few batteries being charged to power those stupid mercury-laden light bulbs (good thing I bought a couple of thousand incadescents at Walmart when I ahd a chance). At least Romney has a heart for the flora and fauna that keeps our nation in a balanced bio-diversity. And yet, the "un-fair and un-balanced media" doesn't seem to talk about that.
 
2012-08-10 12:23:40 PM  

LabGrrl: seadoo2006: The new wind turbines going up along the Erie coast here in Cleveland are AWESOME. I really hope some of these wind farm proposals go through ... very cool stuff!

Since you showed me your Erie coast Wind turbines, I'll show you mine.
Bonus: On a brownfield.


Yep ... always amazed these haven't seen an explosion around Lake Erie. We don't have all the Nantucket/Cape Cod NIMBYs and our coasts aren't particularly beautiful. Why not just build a few hundred of these beasts in the lake off-shore and rake in the money?

/The Buffalo wind farm is awesome ... hats off to you guys!
 
2012-08-10 12:24:16 PM  

Infernalist: Seems kinda silly for Romney to come out against it, though. I mean, come on, clean energy is a no-brainer. You support it. How can you not? It's like coming out against clean water/air.


You do know that he's a republican, right?
 
2012-08-10 12:24:37 PM  
Before President Obama took office, the U.S. had 25 gigawatts of wind power, and the government's "base case" energy forecast expected 40 GW by 2030. Well, it's not quite 2030 yet, but we've already got 50 GW of wind.

Now we know what's powering Obama's magic time machine.
 
2012-08-10 12:25:30 PM  
truly history's greatest monster.
 
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