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2012-08-10 10:07:43 AM  
Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.
 
2012-08-10 10:24:40 AM  
The survey asked 1,203 employers to predict the costs of different parts of the health care law.

Conjecture and hearsay are kinds of evidence...
 
2012-08-10 10:29:22 AM  

kronicfeld: Conjecture and hearsay are kinds of evidence...


Like this?

Lurking Fear: Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.


I have a sweet real estate deal for anyone who really believes there aren't a large number of businesses that will see costs go up as a result of this. It's beautiful, swamp-free land in Louisiana with its own bridge and everything.
 
2012-08-10 10:38:35 AM  
Nabb1:
I know, it's so horrible that people are being forced to get health insurance. Remember the good ol' days when you could just go to the emergency room for a fever and then skip out on paying? Because there was no way the cost of that visit would be passed on to the rest of us. Good times...
 
2012-08-10 10:40:01 AM  

Lurking Fear: people are being forced


Someone is finally willing to admit it.
 
2012-08-10 10:40:56 AM  

Lurking Fear: Nabb1:
I know, it's so horrible that people are being forced to get health insurance. Remember the good ol' days when you could just go to the emergency room for a fever and then skip out on paying? Because there was no way the cost of that visit would be passed on to the rest of us. Good times...


And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.
 
2012-08-10 10:44:54 AM  

Nabb1: I have a sweet real estate deal for anyone who really believes there aren't a large number of businesses that will see costs go up as a result of this. It's beautiful, swamp-free land in Louisiana with its own bridge and everything.


Businesses will see costs go up as a result of decisions made by insurance companies. Whether those decisions are truly a consequence of the ACA remains to be seen. Businesses are not unknown to increase prices beyond those actually necessitated by some new law or other cost increase, and blaming it entirely on that single variable. Health insurance companies in the early 2000s took a bath in the market because of (inter alia) the dot-com bubble bursting, and raised their rates because they weren't getting as much of a return on their investments. Did they publicly blame the market? Nope, they increasingly flogged tort reform and med mal issues that could not possible mathematically have had a significant impact on those rate increases.

tl;dr: businesses aren't always telling the whole story when they say they raise their rates because of variable X
 
2012-08-10 10:46:56 AM  

Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.


What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?
 
2012-08-10 10:50:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.

What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?


Oh, I'm sure any business owner who is projecting increases (our firm included) is a lying to make Obama look bad. Seriously, we need a cost consultant to run our business and since you seem to know everything, would you come in and straighten us out? My email is in my profile, and I'll forward your resume to our managing partner. He'd love to talk to you since our health insurance costs for the firm have been going up steadily, and you clearly know everything. I'm serious. I want to put your knowledge to work for me.
 
2012-08-10 11:00:54 AM  
Here, cam, is an article to get you started: Link

I guess if you want to sell the notion that all of this will be free of costs to anyone involved, that's up to you.
 
2012-08-10 11:03:00 AM  

Nabb1: I want to put your knowledge to work for me.


Let me know what he comes up with. Our comptroller attended a seminar dealing with current compliance issues and the facilitator said something along the lines of "if you think THIS is bad, just wait until the new health care regs start hitting". If cameron has some information to the contrary, I think he could make a killing showing small businesses like ours can save time and money dealing with the situation.
 
2012-08-10 11:05:37 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.

What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?


well...Rush limbaugh said it would end all life in the universe AND open a reverse gateway to the Outer Void where the face raping acid blood aliens live.

so there's that.
 
2012-08-10 11:07:22 AM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.

What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?

well...Rush limbaugh said it would end all life in the universe AND open a reverse gateway to the Outer Void where the face raping acid blood aliens live.

so there's that.


Hey, you could discuss the actual issue, but you went with derp, and that's cool, too.
 
2012-08-10 11:07:38 AM  
You're right Nabb, screw all those people that can't afford to have treatable illnesses taken care of, the companies need that 3% of their operational costs as profit way more than anyone needs health insurance.
 
2012-08-10 11:08:36 AM  

Nabb1: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.

What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?

well...Rush limbaugh said it would end all life in the universe AND open a reverse gateway to the Outer Void where the face raping acid blood aliens live.

so there's that.

Hey, you could discuss the actual issue, but you went with derp, and that's cool, too.


kronicfeld is discussing the issue, yet you seem to be ignoring him.
 
2012-08-10 11:09:09 AM  
A fifth of businesses said they employ workers who'd be eligible for coverage under the Medicaid expansion - but, after the Supreme Court ruled that the expansion is optional, it's still up in the air as to what that will mean for those employers.

Let's not overlook this important fact, shall we?
 
2012-08-10 11:09:28 AM  
LAUGHTER OL when I am feeling blue I click one of the politics links to see that there are really bitter people in the world of this. You all make me have smiles especially when you show anger over people actually being able to afford the cancer treatments of them instead of slowly becoming the giant tumor or having to lose the house over this.
 
2012-08-10 11:10:29 AM  
OMG! We're talking about change, here! Real change!

If I had know this was going to happen, I would never have supported Obamacare.

I am so scared.
 
2012-08-10 11:12:10 AM  
Okay, I'm convinced - this will be free. Anyone who is involved in this who projects increased insurance costs to cover employees is lying. I am sold. Thank you, FARK politics tab.
 
2012-08-10 11:18:50 AM  

Nabb1:
Hey, you could discuss the actual issue, but you went with derp, and that's cool, too.


what's to discuss? Obamacare is the law of the land. it's going to happen. you can whine about it, you can embrace it, you can discuss it all you want...but at the end of the day, it's gonna happen. it's here to stay.

the only question is how businesses are going to react. will they behave reasonably and adjust to cover these costs...or will CEOs go batshiat crazy and gut their own companies in order to make an asinine point about the evils of 'socialized medicine'?
 
2012-08-10 11:21:09 AM  

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL when I am feeling blue I click one of the politics links to see that there are really bitter people in the world of this. You all make me have smiles especially when you show anger over people actually being able to afford the cancer treatments of them instead of slowly becoming the giant tumor or having to lose the house over this.


I'd rather every person become a giant tumor than make Nabb's company have to hire a cost consultant.
 
2012-08-10 11:21:17 AM  

kronicfeld: Nabb1: I have a sweet real estate deal for anyone who really believes there aren't a large number of businesses that will see costs go up as a result of this. It's beautiful, swamp-free land in Louisiana with its own bridge and everything.

Businesses will see costs go up as a result of decisions made by insurance companies. Whether those decisions are truly a consequence of the ACA remains to be seen.


What does NOT remain to be seen is that in a world without PPACA, insurance companies would still have raised premiums and cut coverage. All they have now is a scapegoat for things they do every year anyway.
 
2012-08-10 11:24:04 AM  
This will be the business equivalent of adjusting your nuts when you sit down.
 
2012-08-10 11:24:44 AM  

Lurking Fear: Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.


What's he have, like four employees?

Does it make you feel good when you pretend health care doesn't cost anything?
 
2012-08-10 11:25:59 AM  

Nabb1: Here, cam, is an article to get you started: Link

I guess if you want to sell the notion that all of this will be free of costs to anyone involved, that's up to you.


look at it this way - you'll FINALLY get unions to pay for their own health care.
 
2012-08-10 11:26:16 AM  

Weaver95: Nabb1:
Hey, you could discuss the actual issue, but you went with derp, and that's cool, too.

what's to discuss? Obamacare is the law of the land. it's going to happen. you can whine about it, you can embrace it, you can discuss it all you want...but at the end of the day, it's gonna happen. it's here to stay.

the only question is how businesses are going to react. will they behave reasonably and adjust to cover these costs...or will CEOs go batshiat crazy and gut their own companies in order to make an asinine point about the evils of 'socialized medicine'?


I don't disagree with that, but pretending, or even implying, that there aren't real costs associated with this to many employers that provide insurance to employees is, well, stupid, regardless of what you think of the relative merits of the law. Everyone has to realize there are costs. Only an idiot would deny that.
 
2012-08-10 11:26:31 AM  
Well that was a mature response.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around why people having accesible and affordable healthcare is a BAD THING.

WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?!
 
2012-08-10 11:27:48 AM  

Lsherm: Lurking Fear: Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.

What's he have, like four employees?

Does it make you feel good when you pretend health care doesn't cost anything?


It cost alot. In fact, twice as much in the US per capita compared to countries with universal health care. That's a fact jack.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-10 11:28:04 AM  

Nabb1: kronicfeld: Conjecture and hearsay are kinds of evidence...

Like this?

Lurking Fear: Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.

I have a sweet real estate deal for anyone who really believes there aren't a large number of businesses that will see costs go up as a result of this. It's beautiful, swamp-free land in Louisiana with its own bridge and everything.


Oh, well I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, so that cancels out your LA island.
 
2012-08-10 11:28:21 AM  
I think a lot of businesses are going to use it as an excuse to raise costs.

Like Papa Johns and it's magical delivery fee because gas prices went up that didn't disappear when they went down.
 
2012-08-10 11:29:36 AM  

LlamaGirl: I honestly cannot wrap my head around why people having accesible and affordable healthcare is a BAD THING.

WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?!


It's not. So, go buy me some insurance, OK?
 
2012-08-10 11:30:29 AM  

LlamaGirl: Well that was a mature response.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around why people having accesible and affordable healthcare is a BAD THING.

WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?!


You might as well ask why their own damned plan is anathema to them now
 
2012-08-10 11:31:26 AM  

LlamaGirl: WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?!


Because only government leeches get sick and it is the punishment of God for why there is the secret-Muslim president have you not been doing the following of this? Also American exceptionalism--we like to stand out as the barbaric western nation with the higher infant mortality rate than some third world country such as Cuba. As long as we do not have to make sure everyone has the health insurance we are happy people. We are showing those assjackets in Europe that we are number 1 (in the number of people who cannot get the affordable access to medical care).

US of the Americas! US of the Americas! US of the Americas! US of the Americas! US of the Americas!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-10 11:31:27 AM  

Nabb1: Lurking Fear: Nabb1:
I know, it's so horrible that people are being forced to get health insurance. Remember the good ol' days when you could just go to the emergency room for a fever and then skip out on paying? Because there was no way the cost of that visit would be passed on to the rest of us. Good times...

And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.


For those who need to led by the hand, it means that we are already paying more, it's just that the costs were hidden, although the ¢13 for a Papa John's pizza could be considered a hidden cost I guess.
 
2012-08-10 11:31:46 AM  

Lsherm: Lurking Fear: Coming from Politico, you're right, I don't believe it. My friend who owns a small business saw his premium price drop 8% this year and his employees received a rebate from the health care provider due to the new rules.

What's he have, like four employees?

Does it make you feel good when you pretend health care doesn't cost anything?


see, I don't understand this attitude. 'OMG health care costs are BAD!' so if I understand your view, it's better to just let employees get sick and die rather than find a way to make sure they get affordable health care? or is the view that it's an unconscionable evil to ask the rich 1% to expend a tiny fraction of their vast riches to make sure and cover the health care costs of their armies of minions...?

Even Adam Smith - you remember Adam Smith, right? the guy who invented capitalism? THAT guy? - yeah, even Adam Smith said it was a bad idea to kick your labor force in the nuts.

A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more, otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.

Wealth of Nations
Book I, Chapter VIII, pg.81
Adam Smith
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-10 11:33:41 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Lurking Fear: people are being forced

Someone is finally willing to admit it.


Yes, so what? That's what laws do. People are forced to buy liability insurance when they drive, they are forced to drive on the right side of the roads even if they want to drive on the left. That's a good thing.
 
2012-08-10 11:34:01 AM  

Nabb1:
I don't disagree with that, but pretending, or even implying, that there aren't real costs associated with this to many employers that provide insurance to employees is, well, stupid, regardless of what you think of the relative merits of the law. Everyone has to realize there are costs. Only an idiot would deny that.


Papa John's pizza was saying it would work out to something like 11 to 14 cents per pizza. the 'costs' are looking to be rather negligible. so again I ask - is it the fact that a CEO might only make $14.8 billion rather than $14.9 billion that bothers you?
 
2012-08-10 11:39:12 AM  

jbuist: LlamaGirl: I honestly cannot wrap my head around why people having accesible and affordable healthcare is a BAD THING.

WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?!

It's not. So, go buy me some insurance, OK?


"I do not understand how society works."
 
2012-08-10 11:39:53 AM  
FORCED AT GUN POINT

TAXES: LEGAL JAYWALKING
 
2012-08-10 11:40:16 AM  

Weaver95: Nabb1:
I don't disagree with that, but pretending, or even implying, that there aren't real costs associated with this to many employers that provide insurance to employees is, well, stupid, regardless of what you think of the relative merits of the law. Everyone has to realize there are costs. Only an idiot would deny that.

Papa John's pizza was saying it would work out to something like 11 to 14 cents per pizza. the 'costs' are looking to be rather negligible. so again I ask - is it the fact that a CEO might only make $14.8 billion rather than $14.9 billion that bothers you?


With the shrinking middle class and increasing CEO salaries, investment portfolios and gold parachutes, it seems government regulation is the only thing that can reign in the free market. The invisible hand is giving a nice fat middle finger to the middle class right now.
 
2012-08-10 11:40:37 AM  
Retail and hospitality industries, which typically employ larger numbers of part-time workers, are bracing for the biggest increase in costs - 46 percent said they're expecting costs to increase by a minimum of 3 percent.

It costs 3+ percent to offer your low wage workers health coverage. Boo farking hoo.

And shame on you for not offering them coverage years ago.
 
2012-08-10 11:40:42 AM  

vpb: Dancin_In_Anson: Lurking Fear: people are being forced

Someone is finally willing to admit it.

Yes, so what? That's what laws do. People are forced to buy liability insurance when they drive, they are forced to drive on the right side of the roads even if they want to drive on the left. That's a good thing.


The law forces me to not murder a guy just because he looked at me wrong! Wahh! Socialism!
 
2012-08-10 11:42:41 AM  

Weaver95: see, I don't understand this attitude. 'OMG health care costs are BAD!' so if I understand your view, it's better to just let employees get sick and die rather than find a way to make sure they get affordable health care? or is the view that it's an unconscionable evil to ask the rich 1% to expend a tiny fraction of their vast riches to make sure and cover the health care costs of their armies of minions...?


Nail, head, ect.

When you can look back as a violently anti union(the "Service Department"), and sickeningly anti Semitic rat bastard(eg, Henry Ford), as a good boss, you know you have jumped the shark.

Hell, he would make surprise calls on his workers on their day off at their own homes, and if he found booze, would fire them.

Still would be a saint compared to todays
 
2012-08-10 11:43:01 AM  

Jackson Herring: FORCED AT GUN POINT

TAXES: LEGAL JAYWALKING


Oh I heart the politics tab! So many wonderful people here! Hug me! Do not worry about the diseases you might catch from the hugs of me because you are being forced at the gunpoint to get the insurance so you will be covered!
 
2012-08-10 11:43:01 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-10 11:43:05 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: The law forces me to not murder a guy just because he looked at me wrong! Wahh! Socialism!


In Florida and Arizona you can do it.
 
2012-08-10 11:44:16 AM  

Lucky LaRue: OMG! We're talking about change, here! Real change!

If I had know this was going to happen, I would never have supported Obamacare.

I am so scared.


The idea of millions of part-timers receiving health insurance is going to keep me up at night. That's just too frightening to think about.

I want my country back. The country that tells part-timers to eat shiat and die if they'd like some health insurance.
 
2012-08-10 11:45:06 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "I do not understand how society works."


Society über alles?
 
2012-08-10 11:46:37 AM  

vernonFL: Retail and hospitality industries, which typically employ larger numbers of part-time workers, are bracing for the biggest increase in costs - 46 percent said they're expecting costs to increase by a minimum of 3 percent.

It costs 3+ percent to offer your low wage workers health coverage. Boo farking hoo.

And shame on you for not offering them coverage years ago.


for a long time, many employers were able to skirt paying health care costs for workers by making sure they never became full time employees. keep 'em hourly, make sure they never go over 40 hours a week, and never let them unionize. obamacare gets rid of THAT strategy...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-10 11:46:45 AM  

Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: And that has what to do with increased costs many businesses will face, exactly? Oh, right - f*ck all.

What evidence do you have that "many businesses" will face increased costs?

Oh, I'm sure any business owner who is projecting increases (our firm included) is a lying to make Obama look bad. Seriously, we need a cost consultant to run our business and since you seem to know everything, would you come in and straighten us out? My email is in my profile, and I'll forward your resume to our managing partner. He'd love to talk to you since our health insurance costs for the firm have been going up steadily, and you clearly know everything. I'm serious. I want to put your knowledge to work for me.


Hey, I can probably help. I haven't run a business in 20 years, but I am smart enough to realize that a business that already provides insurance for it's employees isn't going to be devastated by a requirement to provide insurance.

I am also informed enough to know of the requirement that 80% of premiums collected must go toward patient care and any excess must be refunded, which is why Obomney care reduces costs for some businesses.
 
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