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(Talking Points Memo)   Mitt Romney was denied breathing room. By the GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 57
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2012-08-10 11:29:29 AM
So a Romney presidency will be a tea party presidency.
 
2012-08-10 12:18:39 PM
The fact that Norquist is publicly saying the type of stuff he said in TFA is farking nuts to me. Not that I'm surprised that he wants the president to be a non-thinking rubber stamp, but to actually come out and proudly say so on the record? Wow.

/yeah I saw he said it in February, I only follow politics so closely
 
2012-08-10 12:39:59 PM
I just want to go ahead and make sure attention is drawn to the Norquist quote:

"We are not auditioning for fearless leader," Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."

Think about that for a while. That from someone to whom most Republican leaders kowtow due to a school assignment he wrote in junior high.
 
2012-08-10 12:51:18 PM

FreakinB: The fact that Norquist is publicly saying the type of stuff he said in TFA is farking nuts to me. Not that I'm surprised that he wants the president to be a non-thinking rubber stamp, but to actually come out and proudly say so on the record? Wow.

/yeah I saw he said it in February, I only follow politics so closely


Came here to say the same thing. He said that? In public?

February, wow. I never heard that before either. Damn liberal media.
 
2012-08-10 01:10:27 PM
"We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.

Makes sense that they picked Romney then, he has the most experience at being a CEO "in name only" and letting his board run things.
 
2012-08-10 01:10:58 PM
Norquist went on: "Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared."

No wonder these guys loved George W Bush. He did what he was told, and nothing more.
 
2012-08-10 01:11:14 PM
also, if the GOP "establishment" has such a hard-on for Ryan, why didn't he run?
 
2012-08-10 01:13:52 PM
Are we sure this isn't an Onion article?
 
2012-08-10 01:18:39 PM
At what point did conservatives decide that Grover Norquist matters? What has he ever done in his life to merit being allowed to hold a gun to the end of a political party, and that party not fighting back?
 
2012-08-10 01:18:48 PM
 
2012-08-10 01:19:28 PM
If they were looking for a sock-puppet, why did they go with a wind sock?
 
2012-08-10 01:20:26 PM
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2012-08-10 01:20:34 PM
Weeners FTW: Mitt, get ready for a long drive to Tampa -- muzzled and strapped to the roof.

I would never vote for Romney but I would definitely respect him more if he'd just stand up and say "fark you" to Grover and his minions. That said, there's no real proof that his hand is being forced. It can logically be inferred, but Romney just as likely could be responding to what his advisers tell him the base wants. Maybe if we stop imputing so much power to Grover, he would have less.
 
2012-08-10 01:21:53 PM

give me doughnuts: Are we sure this isn't an Onion article?


ive been wondering that for about a third of greenlit politics articles for the past.. at least month. we are through the looking glass here, its getting that bad. i thought mccain was a hoot and a half with his run, but romney is diving headfirst into the sea of piss.

25.media.tumblr.com
the modern GOP.
 
2012-08-10 01:22:30 PM
Unreasonable dickholery from a bunch of unreasonable dickholes being led by King Dickhole? I am so farking shocked.
 
2012-08-10 01:22:54 PM
"We are not auditioning for fearless leader," Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."

Oh, fark YOU asshole.
 
2012-08-10 01:23:27 PM
I honestly hope and believe Romney is the type of political leader he has always been and not what he had to pretend to be in order to fight through the scary clutter of the Republican primary.
 
2012-08-10 01:25:31 PM
Oh my God. Why haven't I heard this one before?

"When I became 21, I decided that nobody learned anything about politics after the age of 21." - Grover Norquist

I consider that a strong contender for the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 
2012-08-10 01:26:15 PM

regindyn: At what point did conservatives decide that Grover Norquist matters? What has he ever done in his life to merit being allowed to hold a gun to the end of a political party, and that party not fighting back?


Seriously. He's a f'ing idiot. It's the equivalent of if some no-name guy came up with a pledge stating that "thou shalt never reduce taxes in any way, shape or form, no exceptions." And then, the Democrats all sign on to it and start taking turns blowing the guy for being such a visionary.

The GOP is intellectually bankrupt.
 
2012-08-10 01:27:21 PM

regindyn: At what point did conservatives decide that Grover Norquist matters? What has he ever done in his life to merit being allowed to hold a gun to the end of a political party, and that party not fighting back?


If a giraffe happened to fall on Grover Nordquist, I wouldn't shed a tear. Well, maybe for the giraffe.
 
2012-08-10 01:28:22 PM
the thing is, they aren't mad that obama is a puppet, they're mad that he isn't their puppet
 
2012-08-10 01:29:07 PM
Who in the fark is Grover Norquist? And how in the fark did this douchebag seize the entire GOP by the balls?
 
2012-08-10 01:35:22 PM
"We are not auditioning for fearless leader," Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."

Norquist went on: "Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared."


Wow. Just farking wow.

And THAT is what screwed McCain. And THAT is what will cost Romney the election.

The Republican party have let the retards escape the back of the bus and grab the steering wheel.

Why can't the TeaBaggers just split off already? Isn't it time for them to form their own party?
 
2012-08-10 01:35:22 PM

Cletus C.: I honestly hope and believe Romney is the type of political leader he has always been and not what he had to pretend to be in order to fight through the scary clutter of the Republican primary.


This article was the first time I felt a twinge of sympathy for Romney. Reading this article, I saw him as this dorky rich guy with probably unrealistic ambitions who is actually very well-meaning, really tried to do a good job in Massachusetts and is legitimately proud of what he did as governor. And now he's caught between his ambitions for himself, his pride in his accomplishments, and an overly-controlling party that is trying to turn him into something he doesn't want to be (a far-right conservative) in exchange for something he does want (to be President).

For the first time, I'm thinking the guy might have principles after all, principles in line with his governorship. And he's under all this pressure to betray them, but he wants that carrot real bad. The guy looks like he's under constant strain; maybe there's an internal struggle going on.
 
2012-08-10 01:40:23 PM
This is exactly what it looks like when the inmates are running the asylum.
 
2012-08-10 01:40:40 PM
mostly white, mostly Christian, mostly old.

White. Christian. Old.
 
2012-08-10 01:42:13 PM
"The Republican party's much more monolithic: mostly white, mostly Christian, mostly old."
-- Howard Dean

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
 
2012-08-10 01:44:51 PM

flux: Cletus C.: I honestly hope and believe Romney is the type of political leader he has always been and not what he had to pretend to be in order to fight through the scary clutter of the Republican primary.

This article was the first time I felt a twinge of sympathy for Romney. Reading this article, I saw him as this dorky rich guy with probably unrealistic ambitions who is actually very well-meaning, really tried to do a good job in Massachusetts and is legitimately proud of what he did as governor. And now he's caught between his ambitions for himself, his pride in his accomplishments, and an overly-controlling party that is trying to turn him into something he doesn't want to be (a far-right conservative) in exchange for something he does want (to be President).

For the first time, I'm thinking the guy might have principles after all, principles in line with his governorship. And he's under all this pressure to betray them, but he wants that carrot real bad. The guy looks like he's under constant strain; maybe there's an internal struggle going on.


he could... ya know... grow a pair.
balls. heavy. pendulous.
 
2012-08-10 01:47:25 PM
Obama provides leadership, and knows how to get things done.

Apparently, all the GOP wants from Mittens is a rubber stamp empty suit.

Makes it that much easier to vote for Obama this fall. I want a leader, not a follower.
 
2012-08-10 01:48:54 PM
Norquist went on: "Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States."

I have met the requirements to be President. -Romney (can't find the proper quote)

You deserve each other.
 
2012-08-10 01:49:00 PM

thurstonxhowell: Oh my God. Why haven't I heard this one before?

"When I became 21, I decided that nobody learned anything about politics after the age of 21." - Grover Norquist

I consider that a strong contender for the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


I'm glad I was over 21 when I first heard that quote, lest I learned it.
 
2012-08-10 01:49:39 PM

Antimatter: Apparently, all the GOP wants from Mittens is a rubber stamp empty suit.


somosrepublicans.com
 
2012-08-10 01:52:06 PM

TheGogmagog: Norquist went on: "Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States."

I have met the requirements to be President. -Romney (can't find the proper quote)

You deserve each other.



I guess that was a summary of a summary of another statement.
"I'm not a business. We have a process in this country, which was established by law, which provides for the transparency which candidates are required to meet. I have met with that requirement ..."

Lucky LaRue: Translated: I've met the minimum, legal requirements to be President of the United States, and should not have to go above and beyond that for the people I would represent.
 
2012-08-10 01:53:28 PM
cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2012-08-10 02:01:19 PM
FTFA: " "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go."

So Mr Norquist... you disagree with Palin, Boehner, and FOX News that a President should be a leader. Gotcha.
 
2012-08-10 02:03:03 PM
Where are all those Farkers who like to tell us that Obama's second term will be indistinguishable from Romney's first term?
 
2012-08-10 02:04:28 PM

Markoff_Cheney: he could... ya know... grow a pair.


Wouldn't that be interesting? Of all potential meltdown scenarios, that would be my favorite. That moment where he breaks or gets pushed too far and heads out into the garage and gets into his SUV, plugs his iPhone into the AUX input on the stereo, queues up a youtube video of Rage Against the Machine's Killing in the Name, skips the first four minutes and then blasts the final minute of the song at full volume, windows up, SCREAMING the lyrics as loud as he can.

What's more realistic is probably a good weep into his steering console to Sinatra's My Way at 2 AM on Nov. 7th.
 
2012-08-10 02:09:25 PM
When Romney loses, these people are going to say "See! I told you we should have nominated Santorum or Bachmann!

2016 will be interesting. Hopefully all the old white "Christians" will be dead by then.
 
2012-08-10 02:16:46 PM

vernonFL: When Romney loses, these people are going to say "See! I told you we should have nominated Santorum or Bachmann!

2016 will be interesting. Hopefully all the old white "Christians" will be dead by then.


Seeing as how they have a perfect record holding the presidency since 1789, I'm gonna guess our president in 2016 will be a Christian.

// I think Vegas has the odds at 1:100,000 (bet $1,000, win $1,000.01)
 
2012-08-10 02:23:41 PM
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PULL THE STRINGS!
 
2012-08-10 02:29:59 PM

timujin: also, if the GOP "establishment" has such a hard-on for Ryan, why didn't he run?


They want to shovel him into the Vice presidency because the job has literally 0 job responsibilities beyond breaking ties in the Senate, producing gaffs to deflect attention away from power, and being a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

It's the office that up-and-comers are sent to to die. Teddy Roosevelt was made VP so they could get him out of congress. Then McKinley was shot... and we all know how that cunning plan turned out...
 
2012-08-10 02:47:24 PM
I honestly think Mitt had a reasonably solid strategy when he entered the race: run as a moderate, tap into Obama's voters, and ride it all the way to the White House. I just don't think he expected the Republican party to be the retarded, poo-flinging monkey circus it's become.

He doesn't live in the Republican trenches, so he probably didn't know, but in between Palin stealing his thunder the day he announced his candidacy just by showing up in Iowa, Bachmann winning the straw poll, and Donald farking Trump being elevated to legit contender status by his party without even having a serious bid, he quickly realized he had to go full derp to stand a chance, so full derp he went and he's never looked back.

I really think the gaffes are not entirely spontaneous. Some of it is, for sure, but mostly he is just blowing the dog whistle. Problem is, he is not fluent in derp. Sometimes the old, moderate Mitt creeps out and that's when he gets in trouble with the ringleaders. I really think his original strategy was to run on Romneycare, but he's in the unexpected situation of having to back away from it. The $10,000 bet? He was probably trying to relate to Joe Six-Pack by showing some character and placing a bet; he just didn't realize most of us just bet lunch, or a tank of gas. England? It's hard to think he didn't know better, but he was advised to act like a dick because that's what the base wants to see.

That's why I think the Romney campaign is so incoherent. The dude is a blue-blooded, milquetoast, patrician, country club conservative in the improbable position of having to pander to the guy that waters his lawn. His primary campaign was very well organized. They were on every ballot. They had plenty of cash. It's hard to think they could implode like this from incompetence alone. They're just flabbergasted that they have to kowtow to the lowest common denominator.
 
2012-08-10 02:54:28 PM

Zerochance: I honestly think Mitt had a reasonably solid strategy when he entered the race: run as a moderate, tap into Obama's voters, and ride it all the way to the White House. I just don't think he expected the Republican party to be the retarded, poo-flinging monkey circus it's become.


Correct. Plus he's literally the perfect politician. He only does what the voters want him to do and only believes what the voters want him to believe. This is why you see him flip-flopping constantly. This is why, in Massachusetts, he signed into law everything that was sent to him. He only wants to be liked; and that's fine. The problem is this means you can not depend on him to be a leader nor can you depend on him to ever take a stand and keep it. Give him a communist win in Congress and he'll sign into law everything they want. Give him a fascist win and he'll sign into law everything they want. War hawks? We'll stay at war with him. Peaceniks? Same.
 
2012-08-10 02:57:12 PM
FTA:

Those are the marching orders, and thus far they've controlled Romney's campaign. Romney's health care heresy was the biggest breach, and the right's reaction was swift and demeaning - one compared it, in a widely approved tweet, to housebreaking a dog.

Ouch.
 
2012-08-10 02:57:37 PM
cache.ohinternet.com

I'd say when people start doing postmortems of your campaign in August things are pretty much over.
 
2012-08-10 02:59:20 PM

flux: Markoff_Cheney: he could... ya know... grow a pair.

Wouldn't that be interesting? Of all potential meltdown scenarios, that would be my favorite. That moment where he breaks or gets pushed too far and heads out into the garage and gets into his SUV, plugs his iPhone into the AUX input on the stereo, queues up a youtube video of Rage Against the Machine's Killing in the Name, skips the first four minutes and then blasts the final minute of the song at full volume, windows up, SCREAMING the lyrics as loud as he can.

What's more realistic is probably a good weep into his steering console to Sinatra's My Way at 2 AM on Nov. 7th.


can mormons even say fark?
has anyone ever seen a mormon stub his or her toe?
 
2012-08-10 03:02:49 PM

Markoff_Cheney: flux: Cletus C.: I honestly hope and believe Romney is the type of political leader he has always been and not what he had to pretend to be in order to fight through the scary clutter of the Republican primary.

This article was the first time I felt a twinge of sympathy for Romney. Reading this article, I saw him as this dorky rich guy with probably unrealistic ambitions who is actually very well-meaning, really tried to do a good job in Massachusetts and is legitimately proud of what he did as governor. And now he's caught between his ambitions for himself, his pride in his accomplishments, and an overly-controlling party that is trying to turn him into something he doesn't want to be (a far-right conservative) in exchange for something he does want (to be President).

For the first time, I'm thinking the guy might have principles after all, principles in line with his governorship. And he's under all this pressure to betray them, but he wants that carrot real bad. The guy looks like he's under constant strain; maybe there's an internal struggle going on.

he could... ya know... grow a pair.
balls. heavy. pendulous.


We haven't even reached the GOP convention. If he grew a pair today he would lose the nomination. If he grows a pair post nomination, I might even vote for him.
 
2012-08-10 03:07:39 PM
Heh. Even blatant right wing shrill troll accounts are speaking out against that?

You guys just log into the wrong accounts, maybe?
 
2012-08-10 03:12:44 PM

Markoff_Cheney: can mormons even say fark?
has anyone ever seen a mormon stub his or her toe?


There's lots of like... little kid profanity substitutes. People actually say "darn" and "dang" and "fudge" and "heck" all the time. I

But the larger truth is, in my experience, active mormons have a severe impairament when it comes to growing a pair and bucking authority when they feel put upon or disagree on principle. The idea is ingrained from birth that if you don't toe the line, verrrry bad things will happen. It even lingers in ex-mormons. I don't know how solid a mormon Romney is, but it's hard for me to imagine a man with his life experience still having any hesitation about letting loose some f-bombs when not in public.
 
2012-08-10 03:16:46 PM

Markoff_Cheney: can mormons even say fark?


My freshman year college roommate was a Mormon. My experience that year confirmed my belief that all religious people are farking hypocrites.
 
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