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(Talking Points Memo)   Should Romney run on his record in MA or will that just lose him the GOP support?   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 73
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2012-08-10 07:36:12 AM  
Romney will try to go both ways, and in the end it'll cost him the election.
 
2012-08-10 07:43:53 AM  
Schrödinger's candidate.
 
2012-08-10 08:25:19 AM  
For the life of me, I thought the headline said "Should Romney run on his record in MMA."

/If he'd fought in MMA, I might consider voting for him.
//Not really; I like my worked sports to be up-front about being so
 
2012-08-10 08:26:56 AM  
If Mitt Romney claims that his healthcare plan saved a single life, I will never vote for the Republican Party ever again.
 
2012-08-10 08:34:21 AM  
The GOP is trying to win an ideological battle, not just an election. If they were trying to win an election, they'd let Romney run on his MA record. But his record is antithetical to their ideology, and if he wins on that, then they're going to have a much harder time being the anti-choice, anti-poor, anti-working-class, f*ck-you-I-got-mine party they've become.
 
2012-08-10 08:42:23 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: For the life of me, I thought the headline said "Should Romney run on his record in MMA."


He had a submission move called the Pain from Bain.
 
2012-08-10 08:45:49 AM  
People keep posting the Black-Nosed Buddha lately. Let's give Aesop a whirl.

The Dog and his Reflection

It happened that a Dog had gotten a piece of meat and was carrying it home in his mouth to eat it in peace. Now on his way home he had to cross a plank lying across a running brook.

As he crossed the brook, he looked down and saw his reflection in the water beneath. Thinking it was another dog with another piece of meat, he made up his mind to have that also.

He made a snap at the reflection in the water, but as he opened his mouth the piece of meat fell out, dropped into the water and was never seen again.
 
2012-08-10 09:14:30 AM  
His MA record is one of poor job creation, gun grabbing and sweeping health care laws.

There's a reason the right blew a gasket when his spokeswoman mentioned Romneycare.
 
2012-08-10 11:18:51 AM  
One of these days, the Fark Politics Tab will run a campaign and we'll see what real thinking people can do.

My two cents? Romney needs to run on the "I work hard for the people who I represent. At Bain, I was an excellent employee and CEO helping the company maximize profits. At the Olympics, I helped pull off a successful Olympics for the American people and Utah. In Massachusetts, I represented the people of Massachusetts as I was elected to do. And when you, America, elect me president, I will represent the American people at the same high standard I've held myself to in every position I've ever held as an employee, CEO, or elected official. My record speaks for itself. At every stop I have been successful and made my constituents happier, healthier and better off whether it was my stockholders or the citizens I represented."

It fends off the Romneycare good for Mass but not for America, and the why were you mean at Bain questions.
 
2012-08-10 11:20:06 AM  

kronicfeld: The GOP is trying to win an ideological battle, not just an election. If they were trying to win an election, they'd let Romney run on his MA record. But his record is antithetical to their ideology, and if he wins on that, then they're going to have a much harder time being the anti-choice, anti-poor, anti-working-class, f*ck-you-I-got-mine party they've become.


This.
 
2012-08-10 12:18:42 PM  
I'm sure a message of "He oversaw a government takeover of health care and signed an assault rifle ban into law as Governor of Taxachusetts" will lead to MASSIVE success in Palinland.
 
2012-08-10 12:35:19 PM  

kronicfeld: The GOP is trying to win an ideological battle, not just an election. If they were trying to win an election, they'd let Romney run on his MA record. But his record is antithetical to their ideology, and if he wins on that, then they're going to have a much harder time being the anti-choice, anti-poor, anti-working-class, f*ck-you-I-got-mine party they've become.


And I, for one, am enjoying the hell outta the GOP tearing themselves apart.
 
2012-08-10 01:00:04 PM  

GAT_00: His MA record is one of poor job creation, gun grabbing and sweeping health care laws.

There's a reason the right blew a gasket when his spokeswoman mentioned Romneycare.


Can't wait until the Romney campaign claims the Colorado shooting wouldn't have happened in Romney's Massachusetts.
 
2012-08-10 01:09:43 PM  
It doesn't matter.

The Romney campaign is an elaborate ruse, a scam similar to The Producers, where Romney collects millions of dollars and runs a terrible campaign, loses on purpose, then takes his cash to Rio.

Think about his time at Bain Capital and how his campaign has been so far. That is the only explanation.
 
2012-08-10 01:17:26 PM  

I_C_Weener: One of these days, the Fark Politics Tab will run a campaign and we'll see what real thinking people can do.


I think the Romney campaign needs to vet all of its ideas past us. We can thoroughly mock and deride any idea with expert efficiency. Anything that makes it through the gauntlet gets put into action.
 
2012-08-10 01:41:39 PM  

kronicfeld: The GOP is trying to win an ideological battle, not just an election. If they were trying to win an election, they'd let Romney run on his MA record. But his record is antithetical to their ideology, and if he wins on that, then they're going to have a much harder time being the anti-choice, anti-poor, anti-working-class, f*ck-you-I-got-mine party they've become.


I think you make a great point but the question is not from the point of view of the GOP. It asks what should Romney do. Romney could clearly give a flying fark about any ideology whatsoever, he just wants to win. As you say, he should run on his record in MA. It's not like the GOP base is suddenly going to go vote for Obama because Romney decides Romneycare wasn't super terrible.
 
2012-08-10 01:41:44 PM  

GAT_00: His MA record is one of poor job creation, gun grabbing and sweeping health care laws.

There's a reason the right blew a gasket when his spokeswoman mentioned Romneycare.


The Obama campaign is going to start beating this drum after the GOP convention. October will be epic.
 
2012-08-10 01:42:10 PM  
A Massachusetts conservative is about as Conservative as Stalin. His largest weakness is that he cannot run on his record, because in any of the states he desperately needs to win the presidency he would be considered a communist.
 
2012-08-10 01:44:50 PM  

lennavan: It's not like the GOP base is suddenly going to go vote for Obama because Romney decides Romneycare wasn't super terrible.


No, but the right-wing's vitriolic response will make for some great Obama ads.
 
2012-08-10 01:45:08 PM  
Passed assault weapons ban, health care reform and signed off on same sex marriage.

//Sounds like he could win some democrat votes if he used his Mass record.
 
2012-08-10 01:45:17 PM  

FishStampede: He made a snap at the reflection in the water, but as he opened his mouth the piece of meat fell out, dropped into the water and was never seen again.


It's funny because dogs can't swim.
 
2012-08-10 01:46:27 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: For the life of me, I thought the headline said "Should Romney run on his record in MMA."



Romney's G&P is ok, his juijitsu passable, bu the's got good striking skills. But, he's shown vulnarability to the Kimura and been submitted by triangle at least three times. He would be wise to consider dropping down in weight class to take advantage of his height and reach. Conditioning remains an issue for him.

Ever since leaving Strikeforce, Obama is not unlike an older Bones Jones. Obama's great strength is forcing his opponent to fight his fight instead of the fight they want. Obama's Hawaiian roots easily lend themselves to Gracie style BJJ and his Kenyan lineage gives him a lean, long physique that is great for his striking but exposes him to submissions. Romney/Obama would be a great matchup but all things considered, to be the man you have to beat the man and until Romney submits or KOs Obama, Obama has to be favored.

It was Obama after all, that got McCain in that devastating rear naked choke and submitted him like a biatch. McCain, you may recall, was trying to tap but he couldn't raise his arm whcih sucked.
 
2012-08-10 01:47:12 PM  
How pathetic is the GOP these days, that merely mentioning a plan their candidate ushered in as Governor would have helped an American family in need, is seen as a death knell for his campaign among the GOP base?

Don't get me wrong. Romney is a plutocratic piece of shiat and no Republican will be getting a vote from me this time around, but damn....
 
2012-08-10 01:47:15 PM  

monoski: Passed assault weapons ban, health care reform and signed off on same sex marriage.

//Sounds like he could win some democrat votes if he used his Mass record.




I would be funny if Obama announced Mittens as his VP.
 
2012-08-10 01:47:28 PM  
The biggest problem with Romneycare is that it keeps Massachusetts' Liberals healthy and alive.
 
2012-08-10 01:48:11 PM  
Kobayashi Maru.
 
2012-08-10 01:48:36 PM  

I_C_Weener: One of these days, the Fark Politics Tab will run a campaign and we'll see what real thinking people can do.

My two cents? Romney needs to run on the "I work hard for the people who I represent. At Bain, I was an excellent employee and CEO helping the company maximize profits. At the Olympics, I helped pull off a successful Olympics for the American people and Utah. In Massachusetts, I represented the people of Massachusetts as I was elected to do. And when you, America, elect me president, I will represent the American people at the same high standard I've held myself to in every position I've ever held as an employee, CEO, or elected official. My record speaks for itself. At every stop I have been successful and made my constituents happier, healthier and better off whether it was my stockholders or the citizens I represented."

It fends off the Romneycare good for Mass but not for America, and the why were you mean at Bain questions.


In other words, he's an empty suit panderer. Funnily, that's what the Republicans accuse Obama of being the half of the time they aren't accusing him of being a megalomaniacal and egotistical dictator.
 
2012-08-10 01:48:41 PM  
"We are not auditioning for fearless leader," Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."
 
2012-08-10 01:48:47 PM  
Romney: "hey folks, look at me! I'm a super successful businessman!"

world: "ok, then let's see your tax returns then?"

Romney: "how DARE you! Anyway, just looking at my record at Bain capital should be enough to satisfy you."

world: "ok, then let's look at Bain capital and see what you guys did there."

Romney: "how DARE you! Besides, I SAVED THE OLYMPICS!"

world: "ok, then lets see what you did at the olympics.

Romeny: "how DARE you! I shredded those records. Besides, I was the governor! The freaking govornor of MA!"

world: "Ok, then let's talk about your health care reform which was your signature issue."

Romney: "how DARE you! Besides, my team already bought and destroyed all servers and hard drives that would have allowed you to see any records from that administration... but, what I can say is that the trees are the right height and I love the lakes in the places. shouldn't that be enough? The Mormon church told me this was my destiny! I deserve this!!!!"
 
2012-08-10 01:50:05 PM  
I like Gov. Romney much more than presidential candidate Romney so I hope he goes back to that if he wins.
 
2012-08-10 01:50:53 PM  

I_C_Weener: One of these days, the Fark Politics Tab will run a campaign and we'll see what real thinking people can do.

My two cents? Romney needs to run on the "I work hard for the people who I represent. At Bain, I was an excellent employee and CEO helping the company maximize profits. At the Olympics, I helped pull off a successful Olympics for the American people and Utah. In Massachusetts, I represented the people of Massachusetts as I was elected to do. And when you, America, elect me president, I will represent the American people at the same high standard I've held myself to in every position I've ever held as an employee, CEO, or elected official. My record speaks for itself. At every stop I have been successful and made my constituents happier, healthier and better off whether it was my stockholders or the citizens I represented."

It fends off the Romneycare good for Mass but not for America, and the why were you mean at Bain questions.


That's great for normal conversations and all, but not nearly red meaty enough for an election. Plus it sounds like he may not personally strangle abortionists/Iranians/Iranian abortionists with his bare hands.
 
2012-08-10 01:52:08 PM  

Antimatter: "We are not auditioning for fearless leader," Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. "We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."


Leadership now consists of tax cuts, slut shaming and hearings on Sharia law.
 
2012-08-10 01:52:27 PM  

sprawl15: It's funny because dogs can't swim.


a fat dog would be too buoyant to swim down to the depths and retrieve his meat
 
2012-08-10 01:53:09 PM  
Oh, and personally, I think the best strategy for Mitt Romney to win the election would be to publish as many tax returns as he possibly can and make himself and his career at Bain into the poster child for why government needs to change. If he spoke about how he legally used all of these various tax tricks into lowering his taxes and buying tons of businesses completely on credit and made the argument that those things are parasitic and should not be legal anymore, there's a chance he could snare both the "conservatives" and many swing voters as well.
 
2012-08-10 01:53:10 PM  

doyner: lennavan: It's not like the GOP base is suddenly going to go vote for Obama because Romney decides Romneycare wasn't super terrible.

No, but the right-wing's vitriolic response will make for some great Obama ads.


Seriously. I think Obama's campaign staff can pretty much take the rest of the summer off, leave instructions summarized as "just TiVO whatever Romney says, put it on a few times during local news, add in a clip of whoever's on Hannity that night, we'll be at the beach doing crossword puzzles. See ya. Oh, and if Rick Perry or Santorum talk, double the ad buy for that day. Toodles!"
 
2012-08-10 01:54:20 PM  
He tried it earlier with Romneycare, saying it was ok at the state level because of state's rights, but not ok at the Federal level because it violates the Constitution.

The Teabaggers and GOP didn't buy it.
 
2012-08-10 01:55:22 PM  

keylock71: How pathetic is the GOP these days, that merely mentioning a plan their candidate ushered in as Governor would have helped an American family in need, is seen as a death knell for his campaign among the GOP base?


What should we do with someone in critical need cannot afford health care? Ron Paul: "Let him die"
GOP base: *Wild Applause*

Let me introduce Governor Rick Perry, who has executed over 200 people.
GOP base: *Wild Applause*

Our next question comes from a soldier and combat vet who happens to be gay.
GOP base: *BOOOOOOOOOOOO*

GOP candidates, how do you feel about the existence of birth control?
GOP base: *BOOOOOOOOOOOO*
 
2012-08-10 01:56:01 PM  
Romney should run on his record in MA because the derpers are going to vote against the black guy regardless. And nobody but other derpers reads or listens to the right wing media outlets so all the bashing they will do will go unnoticed by everyone else.
 
2012-08-10 01:56:15 PM  

depmode98: Romney: "hey folks, look at me! I'm a super successful businessman!"

world: "ok, then let's see your tax returns then?"

Romney: "how DARE you! Anyway, just looking at my record at Bain capital should be enough to satisfy you."

world: "ok, then let's look at Bain capital and see what you guys did there."

Romney: "how DARE you! Besides, I SAVED THE OLYMPICS!"

world: "ok, then lets see what you did at the olympics.

Romeny: "how DARE you! I shredded those records. Besides, I was the governor! The freaking govornor of MA!"

world: "Ok, then let's talk about your health care reform which was your signature issue."

Romney: "how DARE you! Besides, my team already bought and destroyed all servers and hard drives that would have allowed you to see any records from that administration... but, what I can say is that the trees are the right height and I love the lakes in the places. shouldn't that be enough? The Mormon church told me this was my destiny! I deserve this!!!!"


He can't run on any of his records, because he destroys all the records. Every time.
 
2012-08-10 01:56:56 PM  

meat0918: He tried it earlier with Romneycare, saying it was ok at the state level because of state's rights, but not ok at the Federal level because it violates the Constitution.

The Teabaggers and GOP didn't buy it.


He should come out and say universal health care is okay if a white man initiates it and see how that goes over with the tea-bag community
 
2012-08-10 01:56:58 PM  

I_C_Weener: Romney needs to run on the "I work hard for the people who I represent. At Bain, I was an excellent employee and CEO helping the company maximize profits. At the Olympics, I helped pull off a successful Olympics for the American people and Utah. In Massachusetts, I represented the people of Massachusetts as I was elected to do. And when you, America, elect me president, I will represent the American people at the same high standard I've held myself to in every position I've ever held as an employee, CEO, or elected official. My record speaks for itself. At every stop I have been successful and made my constituents happier, healthier and better off whether it was my stockholders or the citizens I represented."



He was ridden out of MA on a farking rail, with a 34% approval rating tucked between his bum-cheeks. And that's what you want to hang your hat on?

Well all righty then...
 
2012-08-10 01:57:36 PM  

Cletus C.: I like Gov. Romney much more than presidential candidate Romney so I hope he goes back to that if he wins.


I agree with you. Very sensible statement.
 
2012-08-10 01:57:50 PM  

depmode98: omney: "how DARE you! Besides, my team already bought and destroyed all servers and hard drives that would have allowed you to see any records from that administration...


You KNOW he's got a backup on his cranial drive.
 
2012-08-10 01:58:31 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I_C_Weener: One of these days, the Fark Politics Tab will run a campaign and we'll see what real thinking people can do.

I think the Romney campaign needs to vet all of its ideas past us. We can thoroughly mock and deride any idea with expert efficiency. Anything that makes it through the gauntlet gets put into action.


I think that is what the Obama campaign does (albeit internally and quieter than posting ideas to Fark). They test it, refine it, test it again, target it, then release it. Very methodical.

Romney's campaign looks panic stricken by comparison.
 
2012-08-10 01:58:44 PM  
Should Romney run on his record in MA or will that just lose him the GOP support?

Yes.

He would lose some GOP support but it would be from the far right. Those people aren't going to vote for Obama anyway and there is a chance he can win them back simply by talking about the Obama economy and allowing Teabaggers to compare his skin color to Obamas. By talking about his accomplishments in Mass, he could increase his support from the middle. The support he gains from the middle would offset any loss of support from the far right.

By running away from healthcare reform he is giving Obama the win on the issue. Also, it makes him look like an idiot being against something he pushed through as govenor.

Romney should have done what Obama did in the last campaign at the Saddleback debate (the one where McCain was in the 'cone of silence') when asked about abortion. Obama started by aknowloging that most, if not all, people there would disagree with him then he cleary explained his position. Romney should have started by telling the GOP, "I know many of you disagree with... but it improved the state because of ...".

If it would have lost him the nomination then so what? Would other GOP candidates be doing better against Obama now? All Romney would have lost was the oppertunity to look like an idiot on a national stage.
 
2012-08-10 01:59:55 PM  
Romney is pretty much stuck because the base hates him and most everything he did. He can't sell himself to independents because talking about himself just alienates the base. He can't defend himself from attacks for the same reason.

Romney can't win without the base's support but he's in this fragile alliance where the base will vote for him if he doesn't talk too much about who he is or what he wants. He's been beaten into this shadow campaign where he can talk about how bad Obama is but his own ideas and policies are off limits to his campaign.

In short, Romney is screwed no matter what.
 
2012-08-10 02:04:15 PM  

Rann Xerox: Kobayashi Maru.


Actually, that's a great example. When faced with losing either way, you lose with dignity.

Mitt, beat the Kobayashi Maru. Be proud of what you did in Massachusets. Run on your record.

/he won't do it.
 
2012-08-10 02:04:56 PM  

odinsposse: Romney can't win without the base's support but he's in this fragile alliance where the base will vote for him if he doesn't talk too much about who he is or what he wants. He's been beaten into this shadow campaign where he can talk about how bad Obama is but his own ideas and policies are off limits to his campaign.

In short, Romney is screwed no matter what.


There really is a cause for concern here, I mean just imagine what would happen if he makes the mistake of touting any of his experiences as MA Governor during his Convention speech? If he gets massively booed by his base in Tampa, arguably the most important speech of his campaign, I half expect his logic circuits to finally short circuit and for him to start firing his eye lasers all across the Convention center.
 
2012-08-10 02:05:44 PM  
I would love to hear Romney describe his presidential platform, in detail.

Difficulty: And not mention Obama's name once.
 
2012-08-10 02:05:53 PM  
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