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(Independent)   Manchester United learns it's not so easy to sell 'Packers stock' when the fan base completely made up of alcoholics. Okay, bad example   (independent.co.uk) divider line 39
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2012-08-10 10:56:05 AM
Manchester isn't cold enough. By January in Wisconsin the alcoholism combines with cabin fever and the five Aaron Rodgers Fatheads on the wall convince Packers fans to buy "stock."
 
2012-08-10 01:49:14 PM
Of course it isn't, why would they buy stock for an American team in a sport they don't follow? Maybe try selling some Manchester United "stock."
 
2012-08-10 01:56:32 PM
If there was only a way to insert an AIG joke into this.
 
2012-08-10 01:57:32 PM
MAN UNI--- er, wait...

PACKERS!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!

/dnrtfa
 
2012-08-10 02:04:07 PM
You can't sell stock only in America when the team is based in England. Especially when you are only doing it in America because America has different rules that apply to stocks than England does. If the stock was sold in England than every single share would have the same value, ie every share has an equal vote. Whereas in America the NYSE has a goofy rule that allows private companies that are going public to sell their stock at different rates. Meaning that the value of the stock you bought doesn't equal the value of the stock that the original owner has. In other words the Glazer family is selling individual stocks that are only worth one vote while their indivual stocks are worth ten votes. There will never be in any doubt as to who has ultimate control over the Manchester United franchise because the stock worth won't allow it. Also the Glazers are in horrible debt and they are doing this to basically get a bunch of money into the pipeline and then they don't plan on using it to pay down the debt of Manchester United. They plan on pocketing the money and keeping the franchise in financial jepordy.

This equals a lot of pissed off fans.
 
2012-08-10 02:06:32 PM
Is this a "caught sayof" headline, and I'm not supposed to get it? Or am I having a stroke?
 
2012-08-10 02:13:34 PM

roc6783: Is this a "caught sayof" headline, and I'm not supposed to get it? Or am I having a stroke?


Translation:

The National Football League's Green Bay Packers are technically a non-profit entity owned by stockholders. However, the stockholders have weird stock rules that prevent them from having anything that one would normally consider stockholder rights -- they don't get dividends, they can't vote, etc.

The English Premier League's Manchester United Football Club are owned by a family but are deeply in debt (they borrowed an Imperial fark-ton of money to buy the club, using the team as collateral) and to try to get out of debt they offered shares of stock to fans which have weird stock rules that prevent them from voting or having dividends, similar to the stock of the Green Bay Packers.

They're not getting as much for it as they were initially hoping.
 
2012-08-10 02:15:34 PM

meanmutton: roc6783: Is this a "caught sayof" headline, and I'm not supposed to get it? Or am I having a stroke?

Translation:

The National Football League's Green Bay Packers are technically a non-profit entity owned by stockholders. However, the stockholders have weird stock rules that prevent them from having anything that one would normally consider stockholder rights -- they don't get dividends, they can't vote, etc.

The English Premier League's Manchester United Football Club are owned by a family but are deeply in debt (they borrowed an Imperial fark-ton of money to buy the club, using the team as collateral) and to try to get out of debt they offered shares of stock to fans which have weird stock rules that prevent them from voting or having dividends, similar to the stock of the Green Bay Packers.

They're not getting as much for it as they were initially hoping.


An, and both Manchester and Wisconsin are full of degenerate drunks and their teams can both die in a fire.

/ Chelsea FC and Detroit Lions fan.
 
2012-08-10 02:30:42 PM

meanmutton: they can't vote,


Um, they do get to vote. Just no dividends or re-selling.
 
2012-08-10 02:59:32 PM

meanmutton: meanmutton: roc6783: **snip***

/ Chelsea FC and Detroit Lions fan.


Gotcha, sorry, I don't speak retard. Also, I have no clue who that Chelsea chick is, but once she finds out you're a Lions fan, she's gone. I'll save you a spot on the Packers bandwagon.
 
2012-08-10 03:15:35 PM
I hate ManU so this pleases me.


/Go Pack Go
//Go ManCity
 
2012-08-10 03:24:22 PM

balfourk: You can't sell stock only in America when the team is based in England. Especially when you are only doing it in America because America has different rules that apply to stocks than England does. If the stock was sold in England than every single share would have the same value, ie every share has an equal vote. Whereas in America the NYSE has a goofy rule that allows private companies that are going public to sell their stock at different rates. Meaning that the value of the stock you bought doesn't equal the value of the stock that the original owner has. In other words the Glazer family is selling individual stocks that are only worth one vote while their indivual stocks are worth ten votes. There will never be in any doubt as to who has ultimate control over the Manchester United franchise because the stock worth won't allow it. Also the Glazers are in horrible debt and they are doing this to basically get a bunch of money into the pipeline and then they don't plan on using it to pay down the debt of Manchester United. They plan on pocketing the money and keeping the franchise in financial jepordy.

This equals a lot of pissed off fans.


There's also the rumor that their "pursuit" of Arsenal's Robin Van Persie is an illusion so that Man U fans don't come to Old Trafford with pitchforks and torches. The bread and circuses approach basically.

/Arsenal fan
//Man U can forget getting RvP BTW
///Unless they came up with £50 Million IMO
 
2012-08-10 03:32:49 PM

Rwa2play: balfourk: You can't sell stock only in America when the team is based in England. Especially when you are only doing it in America because America has different rules that apply to stocks than England does. If the stock was sold in England than every single share would have the same value, ie every share has an equal vote. Whereas in America the NYSE has a goofy rule that allows private companies that are going public to sell their stock at different rates. Meaning that the value of the stock you bought doesn't equal the value of the stock that the original owner has. In other words the Glazer family is selling individual stocks that are only worth one vote while their indivual stocks are worth ten votes. There will never be in any doubt as to who has ultimate control over the Manchester United franchise because the stock worth won't allow it. Also the Glazers are in horrible debt and they are doing this to basically get a bunch of money into the pipeline and then they don't plan on using it to pay down the debt of Manchester United. They plan on pocketing the money and keeping the franchise in financial jepordy.

This equals a lot of pissed off fans.

There's also the rumor that their "pursuit" of Arsenal's Robin Van Persie is an illusion so that Man U fans don't come to Old Trafford with pitchforks and torches. The bread and circuses approach basically.

/Arsenal fan
//Man U can forget getting RvP BTW
///Unless they came up with £50 Million IMO


I'm an Arsenal fan as well, but I don't think that you'll get your wish. RvP is probably going that way sooner rather than later. Although I would love to see him be forced to play the first half of the year at Arsenal and then when he is on the rise sell him to a team that might have gotten bit by the injury bug or see him get injured again in the first half and then tuck his tail.
 
2012-08-10 03:36:44 PM
I'd have to think the debt load will eventually catch up to the Glazers and force them to sell the team, ala Tom Hicks at Liverpool.
 
2012-08-10 03:39:08 PM

meanmutton: The English Premier League's Manchester United Football Club are owned by a family but are deeply in debt (they borrowed an Imperial fark-ton of money to buy the club, using the team as collateral) and to try to get out of debt they offered shares of stock to fans which have weird stock rules that prevent them from voting or having dividends, similar to the stock of the Green Bay Packers.


Right here. Absolute scum. I have enormous respect for the former Man U fans who left to form FCUM.

As the great man said, football without the fans is nothing.

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-08-10 03:41:14 PM

balfourk: I'm an Arsenal fan as well, but I don't think that you'll get your wish. RvP is probably going that way sooner rather than later.


I'm NOT an Arsenal fan, but I'd deal RvP right now (obviously negotiate the transfer fee hard and don't just give him away, but you get my drift). Netting Podolski and Giroud this offseason is not bad at all.
 
2012-08-10 03:45:49 PM

IAmRight: meanmutton: they can't vote,

Um, they do get to vote. Just no dividends or re-selling.


Oh, well, then it's totally worth it.
 
2012-08-10 03:46:41 PM

roc6783: meanmutton: meanmutton: roc6783: **snip***

/ Chelsea FC and Detroit Lions fan.

Gotcha, sorry, I don't speak retard. Also, I have no clue who that Chelsea chick is, but once she finds out you're a Lions fan, she's gone. I'll save you a spot on the Packers bandwagon.


It might have been preseason but Aaron Rogers looked awesome last night. Let's just hope he can keep that up during the regular season.
 
2012-08-10 03:51:17 PM

meanmutton: Oh, well, then it's totally worth it.


Eh, pretty much nothing purchased in sports is really worth it.
 
2012-08-10 03:52:36 PM

Killer Cars: balfourk: I'm an Arsenal fan as well, but I don't think that you'll get your wish. RvP is probably going that way sooner rather than later.

I'm NOT an Arsenal fan, but I'd deal RvP right now (obviously negotiate the transfer fee hard and don't just give him away, but you get my drift). Netting Podolski and Giroud this offseason is not bad at all.


I agree that he should be dealt now and not drag out this saga, but the karma of RvP having to wait till the next transfer window only to get hurt before it happens would be pretty funny.
 
2012-08-10 04:01:06 PM

Killer Cars: balfourk: I'm an Arsenal fan as well, but I don't think that you'll get your wish. RvP is probably going that way sooner rather than later.

I'm NOT an Arsenal fan, but I'd deal RvP right now (obviously negotiate the transfer fee hard and don't just give him away, but you get my drift). Netting Podolski and Giroud this offseason is not bad at all.


Problem is the one team I would've wanted him to be sold to (Juventus) is basically out of the running. No farking way is he going to either of the Manchester clubs.

In the back of my mind however, I think this was all a ploy by RvP to get Arsenal to buy and show a commitment towards winning a trophy this season; then he would sign a 2-year-extension and be the highest paid player in the club's history. Otherwise he probably would've talked to City or Juventus, even if Arsenal bought even better than they have.
 
2012-08-10 04:10:51 PM
Lion's starting QBs since 1992:


Season(s) Quarterback(s)
2011 Matthew Stafford (16)
2010 Shaun Hill (10) / Matthew Stafford (3) / Drew Stanton (3)
2009 Matthew Stafford (10) / Daunte Culpepper (5) / Drew Stanton (1)
2008 Dan Orlovsky (7) / Daunte Culpepper (5) / Jon Kitna (4)
2007 Jon Kitna (16)
2006 Jon Kitna (16)
2005 Joey Harrington (11) / Jeff Garcia (5)
2004 Joey Harrington (16)
2003 Joey Harrington (16)
2002 Joey Harrington (12) / Mike McMahon (4)
2001 Charlie Batch (9) / Ty Detmer (4) / Mike McMahon (3)
2000 Charlie Batch (15) / Stoney Case (1)
1999 Charlie Batch (10) / Gus Frerotte (6)
1998 Charlie Batch (12) / Frank Reich (2) / Scott Mitchell (2)
1997 Scott Mitchell (16)
1996 Scott Mitchell (14) / Don Majkowski (2)
1995 Scott Mitchell (16)
1994 Scott Mitchell (9) / Dave Krieg (7)
1993 Rodney Peete (10) / Erik Kramer (4) / Andre Ware (2)
1992 Rodney Peete (10) / Erik Kramer (3) / Andre Ware (3)

Packers starting QBs since 1992:


Season(s) Quarterback (Games) References
2011 Aaron Rodgers (15) / Matt Flynn (1) [91]
2010 Aaron Rodgers (15) / Matt Flynn (1) [90]
2009 Aaron Rodgers (16) [89]
2008 Aaron Rodgers (16) [88]
2007 Brett Favre (16) [87]
2006 Brett Favre (16) [86]
2005 Brett Favre (16) [85]
2004 Brett Favre (16) [84]
2003 Brett Favre (16) [83]
2002 Brett Favre (16) [82]
2001 Brett Favre (16) [81]
2000 Brett Favre (16) [80]
1999 Brett Favre (16) [79]
1998 Brett Favre (16) [78]
1997 Brett Favre (16) [77]
1996 Brett Favre (16) [76]
1995 Brett Favre (16) [75]
1994 Brett Favre (16) [74]
1993 Brett Favre (16) [73]
1992 Brett Favre (13) / Don Majkowski (3)


I think we'll be alright.
 
2012-08-10 05:28:41 PM

Killer Cars: balfourk: I'm an Arsenal fan as well, but I don't think that you'll get your wish. RvP is probably going that way sooner rather than later.

I'm NOT an Arsenal fan, but I'd deal RvP right now (obviously negotiate the transfer fee hard and don't just give him away, but you get my drift). Netting Podolski and Giroud this offseason is not bad at all.


Plus Arsenal got Santi Carzola, which might be the best signing any club made this transfer window.
 
2012-08-10 05:31:50 PM

Gordon Bennett: meanmutton: The English Premier League's Manchester United Football Club are owned by a family but are deeply in debt (they borrowed an Imperial fark-ton of money to buy the club, using the team as collateral) and to try to get out of debt they offered shares of stock to fans which have weird stock rules that prevent them from voting or having dividends, similar to the stock of the Green Bay Packers.

Right here. Absolute scum. I have enormous respect for the former Man U fans who left to form FCUM.

As the great man said, football without the fans is nothing.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


You could build a bridge with that much irony, City fans calling Utd fans sell outs.

/All that Middle East oil money
//Proof that money can buy you titles
///NIAC
 
2012-08-10 05:34:23 PM
Any United fan who buys these shares is a twat. Excuse my language.

And I don't think United will offer anywhere near enough money for RVP, but I feel the need to post this anyway:

p.twimg.com
 
2012-08-10 05:48:07 PM

JohnKimble63: MAN UNI--- er, wait...

PACKERS!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!

/dnrtfa


Packers! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Loves me some MST3K!

/going to see Manos next week!
 
2012-08-10 05:54:43 PM

dietbubba: I'd have to think the debt load will eventually catch up to the Glazers and force them to sell the team, ala Tom Hicks at Liverpool.


TOM HICKS AND GEORGE GUILLET CAN GO FARKING BURN IN HELL!!!!!1!!111!!

*ahem* Sorry, I just see one of their names and go nuts. I'll give over it eventually.

Anywho, the Glazers will have to sell sooner rather than later. The debt situation is borderline unmanagable and this is a desperate measure to maintain control. I haven't seen any of the ManU supporters that I know of post, but I think they can see that happening too.

/YNWA
//EPL season starts a week from tomorrow, FYI
 
2012-08-10 06:16:31 PM

eagles95: I hate ManU so this pleases me.


/Go Pack Go
//Go ManCity


There are weekly EPL threads throughout the season on Saturday mornings, you should come hang out if you ever watch the games.

/Congrats on winning the EPL last season
/But Nasri is still a coont
 
2012-08-10 06:18:44 PM

Killer Cars: I'm NOT an Arsenal fan, but I'd deal RvP right now (obviously negotiate the transfer fee hard and don't just give him away, but you get my drift). Netting Podolski and Giroud this offseason is not bad at all.


And Cazorla as the creative midfielder missing since Fabregas. That's huge
 
2012-08-10 06:22:11 PM

689908: And I don't think United will offer anywhere near enough money for RVP, but I feel the need to post this anyway:


In the end, City will come with the big contract and snap him up. Book it.
 
2012-08-10 06:30:21 PM

Langston: eagles95: I hate ManU so this pleases me.


/Go Pack Go
//Go ManCity

There are weekly EPL threads throughout the season on Saturday mornings, you should come hang out if you ever watch the games.

/Congrats on winning the EPL last season
/But Nasri is still a coont


I agree.....but he's our coont. I'll try and be here more for EPL threads this year.
 
2012-08-10 06:55:58 PM

eagles95: I agree.....but he's our coont. I'll try and be here more for EPL threads this year.


It'll be good to have ya. Lots of good back and forth. Last year's final day thread was pretty impressive
 
2012-08-10 07:05:39 PM

Norfolking Chance: Gordon Bennett: meanmutton: The English Premier League's Manchester United Football Club are owned by a family but are deeply in debt (they borrowed an Imperial fark-ton of money to buy the club, using the team as collateral) and to try to get out of debt they offered shares of stock to fans which have weird stock rules that prevent them from voting or having dividends, similar to the stock of the Green Bay Packers.

Right here. Absolute scum. I have enormous respect for the former Man U fans who left to form FCUM.

As the great man said, football without the fans is nothing.

static.guim.co.uk

You could build a bridge with that much irony, City fans calling Utd fans sell outs.


Unless I'm missing something...

Where are you getting any connection to City from what Gordon Bennett's posted?
 
2012-08-10 07:22:31 PM
As obnoxious as City and Chelsea buying everything under the sun is, nothing earns you enmity like outfitting Wall Street bankers in your farking jersey.
images.lainformacion.com
 
2012-08-10 07:57:45 PM

689908: Any United fan who buys these shares is a twat. Excuse my language.

And I don't think United will offer anywhere near enough money for RVP, but I feel the need to post this anyway:

[p.twimg.com image 400x416]


Yeah, that. You need that creative force in midfield to help Rooney b/c lord knows Rooney can't carry the team on his own like that.
 
2012-08-10 09:53:49 PM
when the fan base completely made up

dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-11 07:37:10 AM

IAmRight: meanmutton: they can't vote,

Um, they do get to vote. Just no dividends or re-selling.


Um, their vote is effectively meaningless, which is the point. Thanks for playing though.
 
2012-08-11 02:02:29 PM

desertgeek: dietbubba: I'd have to think the debt load will eventually catch up to the Glazers and force them to sell the team, ala Tom Hicks at Liverpool.

TOM HICKS AND GEORGE GUILLET CAN GO FARKING BURN IN HELL!!!!!1!!111!!

*ahem* Sorry, I just see one of their names and go nuts. I'll give over it eventually.

Anywho, the Glazers will have to sell sooner rather than later. The debt situation is borderline unmanagable and this is a desperate measure to maintain control. I haven't seen any of the ManU supporters that I know of post, but I think they can see that happening too.

/YNWA
//EPL season starts a week from tomorrow, FYI


I feel ya my favorited Scouser. Tom Hicks can go fark himself.
 
2012-08-11 07:33:04 PM

digistil: Um, their vote is effectively meaningless, which is the point. Thanks for playing though.


The same is true for elections and people willingly spend time and money on those.
 
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