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2012-08-10 08:14:23 AM
this is certainly plausible.
 
2012-08-10 08:43:44 AM
There goes my breakfast.
 
2012-08-10 10:58:19 AM
was the sick tag too busy throwing up?
 
2012-08-10 11:02:11 AM
John Hunsman! Just the mention of his name makes this story borizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................
 
2012-08-10 11:03:27 AM
+1 for teh funny subby
 
2012-08-10 11:04:02 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-10 11:05:26 AM
MORMON FIGHT!!!
 
2012-08-10 11:06:47 AM
Of course, this is the real story.

The tax issue is killing Rmoney.
 
2012-08-10 11:07:20 AM
Did they think their non cunnilingus plan through?
 
2012-08-10 11:07:25 AM
In Capitalist America, bridge burns you.
 
2012-08-10 11:07:50 AM
"Here's a list of the donations from the GOP candidate's family to Reid (with help from CQ MoneyLine):

Jon Huntsman, Sr., Karen Huntsman $9,600 (2/4/09)

Peter, Brynn Huntsman $9,600 (12/31/09)

James, Marianne Huntsman $4,600 (11/30/09)

Jon Huntsman, Sr. $2,000 (11/2/04)"


Considering over the past 12 years more than $25,000!!! has been donated to the Reid campaign by the Huntsman family how could it be anybody else?

Plus, connecting the dots, you arrive at a Bain financial guy who without question would have unfettered access to his boss's personal tax returns and it's too obvious to even argue.

So much for the other popular theory that Reid pulled it out of his ass.
 
2012-08-10 11:08:13 AM
Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.
 
2012-08-10 11:08:15 AM
img502.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-10 11:09:08 AM
I'll admit - when Reid first came forward with his claim I was fairly sure this was a stunt. 0% in taxes for multiple years? But Reid has been acting quite serious about his allegations - releasing formal statements, bringing it up several times, and genuinely defending his assertion.

This wasn't the response I expected from someone trolling. Reid's entire approach has struck me as odd.

I still find it hard to believe although we can safely assume that Rmoney had a lower tax rate than 13% for at least one year.

I never really considered this to be a possibility.
 
2012-08-10 11:09:51 AM

smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.


Awwww. You're ADORABLE.


/pats head.
 
2012-08-10 11:12:00 AM
www.economicnoise.com
 
2012-08-10 11:12:17 AM

Bontesla: I'll admit - when Reid first came forward with his claim I was fairly sure this was a stunt. 0% in taxes for multiple years? But Reid has been acting quite serious about his allegations - releasing formal statements, bringing it up several times, and genuinely defending his assertion.

This wasn't the response I expected from someone trolling. Reid's entire approach has struck me as odd.

I still find it hard to believe although we can safely assume that Rmoney had a lower tax rate than 13% for at least one year.

I never really considered this to be a possibility.


I've been wondering how Romney can possibly fix it if the returns ever come out. Can he retroactively cut a check to the IRS to bring him to the expected rate for his tax bracket? Would doing that actually make it worse?

Or does he just continue to deny until Christmas?
 
2012-08-10 11:13:53 AM

smitty04: [www.economicnoise.com image 570x411]


Looks like a birther to me. A bit lazy of the cartoonist to just update the name and change a few words, don't you think?
 
2012-08-10 11:14:34 AM
If anybody today needs help illustrating and/or defining the word "desperation," please point them over to Smitty04's posts in this thread.
 
2012-08-10 11:14:56 AM

Dr Dreidel: smitty04: [www.economicnoise.com image 570x411]

Looks like a birther to me. A bit lazy of the cartoonist to just update the name and change a few words, don't you think?


Its hard to make jokes when you're a conservative. Where does the material come from?
 
2012-08-10 11:15:23 AM

smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.


I swear to god the right-wing buzzwords are the best part of this election. "Chicago style." "Alinsky." "Socialism." "ACORN." "Solyndra." "Union thugs." "Liberal media."

How about you guys try actually saying something for a change and not speaking in cliche soundbites.
 
2012-08-10 11:15:30 AM

smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.


Releasing tax records is George Romney style politics.
 
2012-08-10 11:16:20 AM

EyeballKid: If anybody today needs help illustrating and/or defining the word "desperation," please point them over to Smitty04's posts in this thread.


He seems tired.
 
2012-08-10 11:16:48 AM
Why does anyone doubt that Reid has actually seen copies of the tax returns?

He can't admit it, but it is sucker odds that he has.
 
2012-08-10 11:17:02 AM
While that is an interesting theory, really all that matters is that Mitt keeps stonewalling. I wouldn't say he's falling on his sword, but each day this issue is like a couple of paper cuts and well, you know what happens when they start piling up.
 
2012-08-10 11:18:05 AM
So if someone tell Reid about Romney's taxes it's spurious and empty headed, but if someone tells Bachmann about vaccinations and retardation, it's OMG! Stop infecting our children you evil monsters.

Also, why doesn't Michelle Obama come out and tell us that you people have gotten all you need to know about Barack's birthplace?
 
2012-08-10 11:20:53 AM

smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.


That's not what "Chicago style" politics means, and Obama spent much of his early political career fighting against the Chicago machine.

Source
 
2012-08-10 11:21:17 AM

AntiNerd: Why does anyone doubt that Reid has actually seen copies of the tax returns?


...because Reid said he hasn't seen the returns?
 
2012-08-10 11:21:52 AM
All Democrats are deepthroating Searchlight Harry, just like they're slurping on OBIGOT, amirite???
 
2012-08-10 11:23:07 AM

smitty04: [www.economicnoise.com image 570x411]


That makes no sense, as a brainless person would be dead. the burden of proof is satisfied by him still being alive.

All Romney has to do to prove Reid a liar is release his tax forms, as his father did, and set the record straight. Why he won't do this is making Romney look like he's hiding something major.
 
2012-08-10 11:23:44 AM

EyeballKid: If anybody today needs help illustrating and/or defining the word "desperation," please point them over to Smitty04's posts in this thread.


I especially like the "Reid is foolish for accusing Rmoney of a Felony!" line that so many (including his cartoon) are falling back on. It's so indicative of their complete abandonment of truth as a political tool.

It both is a lie, and an obfuscation of the real issue. Kudos, right wing shills. You should be proud.
 
2012-08-10 11:25:37 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.

I swear to god the right-wing buzzwords are the best part of this election. "Chicago style." "Alinsky." "Socialism." "ACORN." "Solyndra." "Union thugs." "Liberal media."

How about you guys try actually saying something for a change and not speaking in cliche soundbites.


Impossible. Completely impossible. That welfare issue earlier this week? Immediately, it was Romney saying he's going to "put the work back in welfare". If it can't fit on a bumper sticker, it ain't worth saying (or reading or remembering) for these people.

Job creators, burdensome regulations, government power grab, takin' our freedoms!

/numbskulls
 
2012-08-10 11:26:49 AM

Skleenar: Of course, this is the real story.

The tax issue is killing Rmoney.


In all fairness, saying him going from a 44 to a 43 as "absolutely tanking" is quite the hyperbole, even from Kos.

538 showing him going from a 41% chance to win down to a 26.7% chance to win from June to now, however, is definitely tanking.

A 1-2 point drop? Not so much.

Probably why I don't read Kos much - it's a bit too much spin, and I'm about as liberal as they come.
 
2012-08-10 11:27:14 AM
I'm going to preemptively declare war against any conservative morons who spout off that Reid is "lying":

Pray tell, O Great Farkwits, how do you know he is lying?
 
2012-08-10 11:27:28 AM

Arkanaut: smitty04: Obama promised to change Washington. Mission accomplished, he has created politics Chicago style.

That's not what "Chicago style" politics means, and Obama spent much of his early political career fighting against the Chicago machine.

Source


Also, "Chicago-style politics" is a reference to the style of politics played by Chicago politicos as far back as 1928 (33 years before Obama was allegedly born), but maybe only since the early 1970s (when Obama was allegedly in high school).

Damn you Timebama!
 
2012-08-10 11:28:56 AM

Dr Dreidel: Also, "Chicago-style politics"

should have been linked for my citations.
 
2012-08-10 11:29:20 AM
Ried's source is not important.

What's important is Reid's reputation as an honest, trustworthy career politician, and that his reaction makes Romney look sneaky, calculating, and untrustworthy. Reid's accusation is doing a fine job of damaging Romney in the swing states. There's no reason to shift the focus away from Romney's weird and unreasonable reaction.
 
2012-08-10 11:30:27 AM

theknuckler_33: If it can't fit on a bumper sticker, it ain't worth saying (or reading or remembering) for these people.


That completely explains Herman Cain's appeal.
 
2012-08-10 11:30:41 AM

Cletus C.: So much for the other popular theory that Reid pulled it out of his ass.


Even if he did, that doesn't change the fact that Romney still won't release his taxes like presidential candidates have been doing for decades and all we can do is speculate as to why. It's obvious Mitt doesn't like all the speculation, especially the stuff he says isn't true. Why wouldn't he want to end it once and for all? Could releasing the returns be more damaging than the speculation? That's the only thing that really makes any sense.
 
2012-08-10 11:31:21 AM

cram_hole: So if someone tell Reid about Romney's taxes it's spurious and empty headed, but if someone tells Bachmann about vaccinations and retardation, it's OMG! Stop infecting our children you evil monsters.

Also, why doesn't Michelle Obama come out and tell us that you people have gotten all you need to know about Barack's birthplace?


Depends on who the someone is. Michelle Bachmann says some lady she had just met in a parking lot told her that vaccines made her daughter retarded.

Some lady you just met in a parking lot = not credible resource

Jon Huntsman, Sr. > Some lady you just met in a parking lot

Of course, that's assuming it was Jon Huntsman who provided the information. We don't know.
 
2012-08-10 11:34:50 AM

EighthDay: In all fairness, saying him going from a 44 to a 43 as "absolutely tanking" is quite the hyperbole, even from Kos.


Well, except he's gone from 45+ to 43, while at the same time Obama has increased from 47 to 49. Which is a 4 point increase in spread in about 2 weeks.

It's hard to describe that as anything but "tanking". I'm not sure why you have decided to pick a semantic fight to claim some sort of clear-eyed superiority.
 
2012-08-10 11:35:04 AM

EighthDay: Skleenar: Of course, this is the real story.

The tax issue is killing Rmoney.

In all fairness, saying him going from a 44 to a 43 as "absolutely tanking" is quite the hyperbole, even from Kos.

538 showing him going from a 41% chance to win down to a 26.7% chance to win from June to now, however, is definitely tanking.

A 1-2 point drop? Not so much.

Probably why I don't read Kos much - it's a bit too much spin, and I'm about as liberal as they come.


Nate Silver's piece from yesterday was really very interesting.
 
2012-08-10 11:39:24 AM

EighthDay: Skleenar: Of course, this is the real story.

The tax issue is killing Rmoney.

In all fairness, saying him going from a 44 to a 43 as "absolutely tanking" is quite the hyperbole, even from Kos.

538 showing him going from a 41% chance to win down to a 26.7% chance to win from June to now, however, is definitely tanking.

A 1-2 point drop? Not so much.

Probably why I don't read Kos much - it's a bit too much spin, and I'm about as liberal as they come.


Agreed. I'm pretty liberal as well and what it affords me is the ability to spot BS quite easily, no matter what side of the aisle it is coming from.
 
2012-08-10 11:41:33 AM
Maybe Huntsman will be able to answer if Harry Reid raped and killed a 9 year old girl in 1990.

/Hey, I'm just asking questions
 
2012-08-10 11:43:12 AM

beta_plus: Maybe Huntsman will be able to answer if Harry Reid raped and killed a 9 year old girl in 1990.

/Hey, I'm just asking questions


Word is out that it was a 9 year old boy.
 
2012-08-10 11:46:27 AM

Bontesla: I'll admit - when Reid first came forward with his claim I was fairly sure this was a stunt. 0% in taxes for multiple years? But Reid has been acting quite serious about his allegations - releasing formal statements, bringing it up several times, and genuinely defending his assertion.

This wasn't the response I expected from someone trolling. Reid's entire approach has struck me as odd.

I still find it hard to believe although we can safely assume that Rmoney had a lower tax rate than 13% for at least one year.

I never really considered this to be a possibility.


My impression of Reid has always been that's publicly pretty cautious. His stepping out and biatch-slapping Romney didn't seem to be his usual style. If I had to lay money on it I'd say that someone (Huntsman, perhaps) with first-hand knowledge and Reid's trust told him that Romney's federal income tax rates were extremely low (near, if not exactly zero) for a long period. Reid then slightly exaggerated it to "no taxes for ten years." I'm sure Romney's accounts are all perfectly legal, but I would guess that his average rate for 2000-2010 was very low (less than 13%, probably 5-10%). Perhaps he touched zero federal income tax a couple of years due to clever accounting and he may have also taken the 2009 Swiss bank account amnesty. All perfectly legal and perfectly damning.
 
2012-08-10 11:46:39 AM
regardless of what Huntsman may have known about Bain, that does not mean that he knows anything about Mitt's personal taxes and obligations.
 
2012-08-10 11:47:34 AM

Skleenar: EighthDay: In all fairness, saying him going from a 44 to a 43 as "absolutely tanking" is quite the hyperbole, even from Kos.

Well, except he's gone from 45+ to 43, while at the same time Obama has increased from 47 to 49. Which is a 4 point increase in spread in about 2 weeks.

It's hard to describe that as anything but "tanking". I'm not sure why you have decided to pick a semantic fight to claim some sort of clear-eyed superiority.


It's hyperbolic and premature. It's a 2 point shift. Sure, that means a change in the spread 4 points, but that's not "tanking." That's a slight drop. I'm glad to see the drop, but I'd hardly count it as "tanking."

Part of the reason I don't read Kos is the same reason I don't read the right-wing spin machines. It makes bigger deals out of things than they should be.

Is it notable that he took a 2 point drop? Absolutely, especially since the numbers have been consistent prior to that. Should it be construed as some sign that his campaign is on a death spiral when the numbers have been consistent up until that point? No, not unless it's the start of a trend - and one data point does not a trend make.

Since the numbers had been steady between 44.1 and 45.4, you could say the median was 44.75.

A drop from a 44.75 average to 43 (since I can't see what decimal it is, I'll just use 43.0 as the most drastic shift) is a drop of 1.75, or only 1.1 from the previous July low of 44.1.

While this is worthy of discussion and additional investigation, to say that the campaign is tanking over a 1-2% shift is going overboard - in my opinion.
 
2012-08-10 11:47:58 AM
Sure, the evidence is circumstantial, but still pretty solid, wouldn't you say?

Not really, but whatever you want. Much better than Reid's 'A little bird told me.' bullshiat. "Plausible" would have been a far, FAR better choice of words than "solid". But hey, we can't all be "journalists", now can we?
 
2012-08-10 11:48:36 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: regardless of what Huntsman may have known about Bain, that does not mean that he knows anything about Mitt's personal taxes and obligations.


If only there was some easy way to clear this up.
 
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