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2012-08-10 10:43:38 AM
I like that they mention that the two positive reactions have been from an AFL and AHL team, from employees that likely make less than the $30K she was mocking and are often employed only seasonally. Oh, and among the list, there is one AFL team and one AHL team, both from Cleveland and both owned by Dan Gilbert.
 
2012-08-10 10:46:27 AM
I doubt she will have difficulty finding a job at this point. Sure, she won't work for the Padres now, but she will be picked up in no time by another organization as a "fark you" to the Padres.

Was her letter immature? Totally. Did she successfully call out the recruitment staff and embarrass them on the national stage for their bullshiat "Pay to attend this job fair that is totes not a job fair?" Yup.
 
2012-08-10 10:50:51 AM

Endive Wombat: Did she successfully call out the recruitment staff and embarrass them on the national stage for their bullshiat "Pay to attend this job fair that is totes not a job fair?" Yup.


Does every other organization do exactly the same thing the Padres do? Yup. So why are they going to want to hire her?

/applied for jobs within sports, including the Padres, got the same boilerplate rejection she did
//didn't live in the SD area though, so no invite to a job fair
///if you're so qualified for everything, why don't you have a job? Also, "an internship short of a relevant degree"? C'mon, you can't even get someone to NOT PAY YOU for free work?
 
2012-08-10 10:53:16 AM

Endive Wombat: I doubt she will have difficulty finding a job at this point. Sure, she won't work for the Padres now, but she will be picked up in no time by another organization as a "fark you" to the Padres.

Was her letter immature? Totally. Did she successfully call out the recruitment staff and embarrass them on the national stage for their bullshiat "Pay to attend this job fair that is totes not a job fair?" Yup.


I wouldn't call her letter immature. After awhile, there is only so much BS a person can take before finally breaking. The Padres didn't hire her for whatever myriad of reasons, and then wanted her to spend money at a "job fair that's not a job fair" that they are organizing. In essence, after applying for a job with them to the point of begging, they turn around and say, "You're not good enough to work here, but give us a bunch of money and we'll maybe find you work somewhere...but probably not." I think most of us would've flipped. It's just that she thought to put her feelings on paper.

Now, if she could hit for power in that cavernous ballpark, perhaps she'd have a job...
 
2012-08-10 10:56:53 AM
But here's a nice fit, my foot in your ass.

Perfect. Even better that I read it in Red Forman's voice.
 
2012-08-10 10:57:06 AM
So is Deadspin the Consumerist for sports now?
 
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2012-08-10 11:13:52 AM

IAmRight: I like that they mention that the two positive reactions have been from an AFL and AHL team, from employees that likely make less than the $30K she was mocking and are often employed only seasonally. Oh, and among the list, there is one AFL team and one AHL team, both from Cleveland and both owned by Dan Gilbert.


good point.

give this chick a pat on the back and shuffle her off to the unemployment line. protip: don't reply to employment-related emails on the rag.
 
2012-08-10 11:15:44 AM
Best. Letter. EVER!
 
2012-08-10 11:22:32 AM
Back in 2006 when I was laid off and frantically looking for employment, I found out about a job fair being held at a hotel in downtown Chicago. I printed up some resumes, put on my best suit and went to it.

I and the rest of the unemployed masses were herded into a room and given a speech by one of the people in charge of the job fair. It was more of a pep-talk but it was laced and dripping with BS. Once he was done spewing, he started to call names. Those that were called were allowed to go into the job fair room first to talk to the companies that were hiring. The rest of us sat and cooled our heels.

One hour later, the rest of us were allowed to go into the job fair. By this time, all of the companies that were hiring were gone and the only ones left were representatives from trade/training schools (i.e. Kaplan, etc.). No jobs but you can enroll with us and spend some money to improve your skill set. Yeah..... money that you don't have to f*cking spare at the moment because you don't have a f*cking job!

I left, went home and sent an e-mail to the organizers of the job fair that contained a lot of vehemence but not at the level demonstrated by the author of the letter in the article. I wish that I had her inspiration at the time I sent my letter.
 
2012-08-10 11:33:57 AM
Why the fark would you even mention a BS degree on an application for a fast food restaurant?

Hint: Learn to tailor your resume or application for the job you are applying for.

I'm guessing she doesn't get a call back for an interview because her resume is so inept that she doesn't make it past the initial HR inspection.
 
2012-08-10 11:35:46 AM
She looked better as a blond.

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2012-08-10 11:38:55 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm guessing she doesn't get a call back for an interview because her resume is so inept that she doesn't make it past the initial HR inspection.


I doubt it. This girl can write, she can get to the point very well, and she's got education.

I think the issue here is that HR at the organizations that were hiring her gave her the kibosh because they're idiots and/or they got tired of seeing her resume for the 30th time.

She clearly smashed any barriers that led to the right people seeing her resume. She's got balls. Very admirable, despite the language she used.
 
2012-08-10 11:39:48 AM

IAmRight: Does every other organization do exactly the same thing the Padres do? Yup. So why are they going to want to hire her?


She writes well, for one. She's clearly passionate about working in sports. She's got a good (if scatological; I'm sure that's not how a letter to her boss would look) sense of humor. Oh, and all the schooling and experience.

But I can't think of a reason, either.
 
2012-08-10 11:41:57 AM
so whats her fark handle?
 
2012-08-10 11:45:37 AM

mainstreet62: DoBeDoBeDo: I'm guessing she doesn't get a call back for an interview because her resume is so inept that she doesn't make it past the initial HR inspection.

I doubt it. This girl can write, she can get to the point very well, and she's got education.

I think the issue here is that HR at the organizations that were hiring her gave her the kibosh because they're idiots and/or they got tired of seeing her resume for the 30th time.

She clearly smashed any barriers that led to the right people seeing her resume. She's got balls. Very admirable, despite the language she used.



Writing prose and writing a resume can be two very different things. I'm guessing she applied to all sorts of different positions using the same resume which probably did nothing to stress the skills that the job she was applying for required.

I just had one a single FTE position become two so I just requested that Hr/Recruiting send me everything they had and I'd go through the resumes personally since I needed to fill both in under a week. Some seriously qualified people that have no idea how to write a resume to get past an HR review.

She may be perfect for anyone of the jobs she applied for, but if you don't know how to get the right buzzwords or peices of info from the job listing to stand out on your resume you'll never even make it to the hiring manager's desk. HR typically has 0 clue how to read into or extract information, you have to spoon feed it to them.
 
2012-08-10 11:46:47 AM

Dr Dreidel: IAmRight: Does every other organization do exactly the same thing the Padres do? Yup. So why are they going to want to hire her?

She writes well, for one. She's clearly passionate about working in sports. She's got a good (if scatological; I'm sure that's not how a letter to her boss would look) sense of humor. Oh, and all the schooling and experience.

But I can't think of a reason, either.


The thing about so many people who apply for jobs in sports is that they're just looking to get a foot in the door. That's all she wanted but the Padres (who have been pretty poorly run for a while, if we're honest) aren't willing to give someone who seems very qualified and passionate about sports a chance. I don't blame her for blowing up on asking her to pay $500 to attend a job fair, where some of that money will likely end up in the hands of the very employer who's rejected her 30 times.

If I was in charge of a sports team, I'd give her a ring just to see what spot she could fill within the organization.
 
2012-08-10 11:48:42 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: Hint: Learn to tailor your resume or application for the job you are applying for.


Hint: Even after you are hired, some companies will do a background check within the first few weeks of employment.

I can see an overzealous HR drone getting their panties in a bunch over the fact that someone left out high levels of education, even though it does not matter.

So, while we can probably all agree that it may not matter that you failed to disclose your PhD in Psychology for example as it pertains in no significant way to your job of flipping burgers; companies require full disclosure. Yes, it is bullshiat. Yeah it is even more bullshiat that choosing to not disclose your high level of education is treated with the same amount of hostility as lying about a high level of education.

But it is what it is and you need to play the game.
 
2012-08-10 12:03:16 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: HR typically has 0 clue how to read into or extract information, you have to spoon feed it to them.


Which, I've got to be honest, I find to be truly bizarre at times. I've seen it in IT. Buddies getting a boiler plate rejection from HR for a position that they are well qualified for, yet for some reason, because they did not have a specific buzz word or some other trivial nonsense, they got the "thanks but no thanks" letter. Only then do they directly contact the person that would be their potential boss and directly send them a resume and get an interview scheduled.

I know HR serves a purpose in screening out obvious bad candidates...but you gotta wonder how many potential GREAT employees are kicked to the curb due to the idiots in HR.

CSB:
I was on the hunt for a job for the last 2 months. I interviewed face to face and over the phone with a ton of companies. I was really trying to get a job over at VMware. I recently had two phone interviews with HR recruiters. After a week, I got the "thanks but no thanks" call.

So I end up getting an offer the next day from the company I am currently at. Last week, a sales manager over at VMware called me to see if I was available for an interview. I told him that HR said "thanks but no thanks," and that I started a new job. He congratulated me on the new job, but was clearly pissed that HR passed me up.
 
2012-08-10 12:03:27 PM

Dr Dreidel: She writes well, for one. She's clearly passionate about working in sports. She's got a good (if scatological; I'm sure that's not how a letter to her boss would look) sense of humor. Oh, and all the schooling and experience.


Yeah, you don't want someone who can write who takes everything personally.

Oh, and the schooling/experience is pretty questionable if she's talking about her experience and claiming she is an internship shy of a Master's in a relevant degree.
 
2012-08-10 12:04:17 PM

Cubs300: Now, if she could hit for power in that cavernous ballpark, perhaps she'd have a job...


I don't think a reincarnated version of Babe Ruth could hit for power in that ballpark.
 
2012-08-10 12:06:54 PM

Endive Wombat: DoBeDoBeDo: Hint: Learn to tailor your resume or application for the job you are applying for.

Hint: Even after you are hired, some companies will do a background check within the first few weeks of employment.

I can see an overzealous HR drone getting their panties in a bunch over the fact that someone left out high levels of education, even though it does not matter.

So, while we can probably all agree that it may not matter that you failed to disclose your PhD in Psychology for example as it pertains in no significant way to your job of flipping burgers; companies require full disclosure. Yes, it is bullshiat. Yeah it is even more bullshiat that choosing to not disclose your high level of education is treated with the same amount of hostility as lying about a high level of education.

But it is what it is and you need to play the game.


Uhh that was for a fast food job, they aren't going to do an education background check on the fry guy. Criminal, maybe, but I doubt they care if he omitted the 5 research papers he published and whether or not his doctoral thesis was successfully defended.

What I'm talking about for the Padres jobs is not customizing your experience listings to what they are looking for. If they want someone who has experience selling ad's for used car dealerships on the marquees above the beer stands, and you've done that before, and you DON'T specifically put that, the HR drone is just going to throw you in the rejection pile. Even if you omitted that to point out you sold $40 million in ads for feminine hygene products. Teh HR drone does not care, will not read into what you have, they are simply scanning for the crap that is listed in the job listing.
 
2012-08-10 12:18:10 PM
The job fair reminds me of $cientology.

Pay us and we'll help you remove your thetans or whatever boogeyman they claim to control.
 
2012-08-10 12:20:45 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: ads for feminine hygene products


-When you have your monthly boo-boo, put one of these near your hoo-hoo...Stay Free Maxi Pads!
-It's the downstairs patch for your baby hatch...Stay Free Maxi Pads!
-I see London, I see China, I see one very HAPPY vagina...Stay Free Maxi Pads!
-WHEN YOUR UTERINE LINING LOOKS LIKE THE ELEVATOR FROM "THE SHINING" ...Stay Free Maxi Pads!
 
2012-08-10 12:25:57 PM

VvonderJesus: But here's a nice fit, my foot in your ass.

Perfect. Even better that I read it in Red Forman's voice.


Read it in Christopher Walken's voice and you can't not crack a smile.
 
2012-08-10 12:29:20 PM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: She writes well, for one. She's clearly passionate about working in sports. She's got a good (if scatological; I'm sure that's not how a letter to her boss would look) sense of humor. Oh, and all the schooling and experience.

Yeah, you don't want someone who can write who takes everything personally.

Oh, and the schooling/experience is pretty questionable if she's talking about her experience and claiming she is an internship shy of a Master's in a relevant degree.


You also want to work for people that know the difference between "a pissed-off missive sent in frustration and anger" and "a pattern of insubordination and disrespect". Employers who see it as the former likely would want to hire her, those who see the latter would think she's radioactive. Until someone takes a chance, it's speculation.

If you can put yourself in her shoes ("empathy" - look it up), and can identify with 10 months of unemployment impotent rage (ever been there?) combined with 30 rejection notices, combined with a "Sorry we've rejected you so much, howzabout giving us $500 for a career fair a no-guarantees chance to apply for a bunch of other jobs (that aren't the Padres)?" you might be able to tease out where some of that frustration comes from. Assuming you don't treat her like crap once she's hired (no guarantee of that, I suppose), you probably won't have to worry about her flying off the handle.

And we assume she's not blatantly falsifying her background. Otherwise, how do we even know she applied with the Padres 29 other times? For that matter, how do we know that's her real identity?
 
2012-08-10 12:31:11 PM

Endive Wombat: but you gotta wonder how many potential GREAT employees are kicked to the curb due to the idiots in HR.


Remember, HR is full of idiots because the people giving them the descriptions of what they want provide insufficient information and, without knowledge of the specific field, they have to rely on what the hiring people provide them to weed people out. It's their fault they don't know what is required for every position in a company and what every boss is looking for in an employee.
 
2012-08-10 12:39:58 PM

IAmRight: Endive Wombat: but you gotta wonder how many potential GREAT employees are kicked to the curb due to the idiots in HR.

Remember, HR is full of idiots because the people giving them the descriptions of what they want provide insufficient information and, without knowledge of the specific field, they have to rely on what the hiring people provide them to weed people out. It's their fault they don't know what is required for every position in a company and what every boss is looking for in an employee.


I recently had a temp job at my city's municipal building, filing records. I was leaving town, so they were hiring a new temp to replace me. I was hired through a temp agency, so there really wasn't any HR involved. The new temp was hired internally, and evaluated by city HR.

It was a pretty large ordeal of evaluating 100 people by a bunch of distinct metrics, just for a temp position. From my point of view, you need someone who maybe has filing/library/clerical experience, and can use a computer. There are a couple easy programs to use that anyone with decent computer skills can pick up in a few days.

Instead, HR totally lost their shiat over a candidate who had used one of the specific programs we use before, rather than being able to learn to use it.

/Point is, HR wants someone who has done the job. Not someone who can be taught to do the job.
//CSB.
 
2012-08-10 12:47:24 PM
Do not understand why, if you want to work in sports, why you'd move to San Diego, rather than Los Angeles.

San Diego: Two pro sports teams.

Los Angeles: Two NBA teams, two MLB teams, two NHL teams.
 
2012-08-10 12:47:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: If you can put yourself in her shoes ("empathy" - look it up), and can identify with 10 months of unemployment impotent rage (ever been there?) combined with 30 rejection notices, combined with a "Sorry we've rejected you so much, howzabout giving us $500 for a career fair a no-guarantees chance to apply for a bunch of other jobs (that aren't the Padres)?" you might be able to tease out where some of that frustration comes from. Assuming you don't treat her like crap once she's hired (no guarantee of that, I suppose), you probably won't have to worry about her flying off the handle.


As someone who did spend six months unemployed, applying for jobs in the sports and education world with a degree and several years of intern experience, I can empathize with it. I've even received the same rejection email from the Padres themselves!

If you apply for jobs with a team, then they still keep your name on file even if they don't hire you. You're now on a list for all of the things they have that are job fair-related. It's bullsh*t, but hey, it's pretty easy to delete those emails without reading them - they all have tip-offs in the subject line. They have your address and they send you those, especially if you're local. As I said, I wasn't local so I didn't get hit up with job fair requests for that region. That's just how the business works. If you're going to get mad about it, you're pretty unprofessional.

Dafatone: Instead, HR totally lost their shiat over a candidate who had used one of the specific programs we use before, rather than being able to learn to use it.


Was it listed as a requirement? Or as a "preferred" skill?

/but yeah, you'd rather have someone who you can see has done the job (you know they can do it) rather than someone who says they can learn the job (you don't know).
 
2012-08-10 12:51:47 PM
Also:

If you are claiming you can't get a job because you are "overqualified", you are an idiot. Lying on your resume goes both ways, and it's a LOT better to leave stuff off rather than making stuff up.
 
2012-08-10 12:53:59 PM
On one hand, she's a great writer.

On the other, she has a somewhat entitled attitude. If you had an internship with MLS, why didn't you connect to other teams to see what they were hiring for? Why so focused on the Padres, especially if you went to school in South Florida?
 
2012-08-10 12:58:32 PM

Dr Dreidel: And we assume she's not blatantly falsifying her background. Otherwise, how do we even know she applied with the Padres 29 other times?


You're right, that's probably pretty questionable too, depending on how long she's been in the area.

/why don't you f*cking do the internship and finish off your Masters instead of randomly going to law school and dropping out?
 
2012-08-10 01:01:51 PM

MattyFridays: On the other, she has a somewhat entitled attitude. If you had an internship with MLS, why didn't you connect to other teams to see what they were hiring for? Why so focused on the Padres, especially if you went to school in South Florida?


If you had an internship with MLS, why are you an internship short of a Masters degree in sport and leisure commerce? You had NO connections that could hook you up?

Also, yeah, the fact that you went to school to become an agent does make me not want to ever see you employed.
 
2012-08-10 01:05:31 PM

IAmRight:

/why don't you f*cking do the internship and finish off your Masters instead of randomly going to law school and dropping out?


Also brought up: Being a lawyer pays pretty well. Even if you're doing crap work. Why settled for a 40K sports job when a first year legal person makes at least double that?

I know "love your job", but you're still in hock for student loans even if you drop out. Something doesn't make sense there.

A friend of mine went to law school, realized he hated lawyering, but stayed in long enough to pay off law school and then segued into a different field. Didn't take him that long to do.
 
2012-08-10 01:11:09 PM

MattyFridays: Something doesn't make sense there.


She seems very good at starting things and quitting them, then trying to pull off her writing like she's accomplished them anyway. Certainly someone I'd want to hire.
 
2012-08-10 01:41:37 PM

IAmRight: That's just how the business works. If you're going to get mad about it, you're pretty unprofessional.


I don't know that she was mad about this incident in general. My read of it is that she was in general frustrated, and when the people she's been trying to get an "in" with for so long jack her around so obviously and blatantly (come to our totally-not-a-job-fair! For $500!), it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Disproportionate to that one e-mail yes, but totally understandable that frustration can boil over like that.

I'm willing to bet if they'd continued ignoring her e-mails, they wouldn't have been advised to hoover her schlong.
 
2012-08-10 01:44:40 PM

MattyFridays: Why so focused on the Padres


Exactly. Its not easy to break into the sports world... wouldn't you be applying for every job possible at every team in every league in the country?
 
2012-08-10 01:48:09 PM

IAmRight: Endive Wombat: but you gotta wonder how many potential GREAT employees are kicked to the curb due to the idiots in HR.

Remember, HR is full of idiots because the people giving them the descriptions of what they want provide insufficient information and, without knowledge of the specific field, they have to rely on what the hiring people provide them to weed people out. It's their fault they don't know what is required for every position in a company and what every boss is looking for in an employee.


I had a buddy get rejected for a job interview because the job posting said that the applicant needed to have a CCNA. He has a double CCIE in networking and security. I do not know what you do for a living and if these Cisco certs mean anything to you...but let's just say that he was well qualified.

Anyway, they sent him an email back saying that because he did not have CCNA listed on his resume, they were not going to bring him in for an interview because he was obviously not qualified enough, they suggested he take a few more Cisco classes and try again later down the line. WTF moment indeed. He ended up calling up the HR guy and chewing him out over this. Not smart, I know...but I understand.
 
2012-08-10 01:57:09 PM

downstairs: MattyFridays: Why so focused on the Padres

Exactly. Its not easy to break into the sports world... wouldn't you be applying for every job possible at every team in every league in the country?


Because San Diego is much nice than 99% of the country and people feel entitled to living in those kinds of places(particularly if they already live there)
 
2012-08-10 01:57:32 PM

Endive Wombat: I had a buddy get rejected for a job interview because the job posting said that the applicant needed to have a CCNA. He has a double CCIE in networking and security. I do not know what you do for a living and if these Cisco certs mean anything to you...but let's just say that he was well qualified.


See, they don't mean anything to anyone outside of your industry. That's why it's important that the people doing the hiring provide proper requirements/desires from candidates. So it's not on HR, it's on the people who are giving them the guidelines. It's not HR's job to know every single specialty position and different certifications. It's the job of the people who know what they want to tell HR what they want so HR can do its job effectively. Perhaps if IT people/engineers weren't such poor communicators, they might not have as many problems with HR as they seem to.

Dr Dreidel: My read of it is that she was in general frustrated, and when the people she's been trying to get an "in" with for so long jack her around so obviously and blatantly (come to our totally-not-a-job-fair! For $500!), it was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Again, all it means is that, as an applicant, her name got stored in a database. When it comes time to try to make money with the job fair, they set the parameters (probably if they're from the state of CA) and send it to everyone on the list - form is already sent in, you have a program throw their name in the appropriate places, and it's sent. No one looked at her name and saw she'd applied 30 times (seriously, though, get a hint and apply elsewhere) and did anything to f*ck with her.

If you take job rejections personally, you probably don't deserve to be hired anywhere.
 
2012-08-10 02:05:30 PM

IAmRight: See, they don't mean anything to anyone outside of your industry. That's why it's important that the people doing the hiring provide proper requirements/desires from candidates. So it's not on HR, it's on the people who are giving them the guidelines. It's not HR's job to know every single specialty position and different certifications. It's the job of the people who know what they want to tell HR what they want so HR can do its job effectively. Perhaps if IT people/engineers weren't such poor communicators, they might not have as many problems with HR as they seem to.


I generally agree with you. Communication is key here, both from the department that needs to fill the position and the applicant. That being said, I find it amazing that an HR person would work in a specific vertical (IT for example) and appear to not know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground. I am not saying that HR needs to know every possibility of every vendors certifications, all I am saying is having some familiarity of the certificate programs out there may be useful so your recruitment process does not look like it is run and operated by a bunch of clueless morans.
 
2012-08-10 02:12:09 PM

bhcompy: downstairs: MattyFridays: Why so focused on the Padres

Exactly. Its not easy to break into the sports world... wouldn't you be applying for every job possible at every team in every league in the country?

Because San Diego is much nice than 99% of the country and people feel entitled to living in those kinds of places(particularly if they already live there)


All good, but she better realzie that as she moves up in the sports world, she's going to be moving. A lot.
 
2012-08-10 02:16:24 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Writing prose and writing a resume can be two very different things.


True, but who cares? When do you use those "writing a resume" skills? When looking for a job. Why would an employer even want a person whose greatest skillset is "writing a resume"? Can I get a degree in Resume Writing? How is this skill useful to an employer?

/it's not what you know, it's who you know
 
2012-08-10 02:18:42 PM
I actually got my "start" in professional sports at the age of 15 when I volunteered at a minor league ballpark.

inigo_montoya.jpg
 
2012-08-10 02:23:40 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: it's not what you know, it's who you know


And if you have as much experience as she claims to and you don't know anyone, either no one likes you or you suck. Based on her attitude, I'm assuming more of the former than the latter. But both are possible.
 
2012-08-10 02:34:07 PM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: My read of it is that she was in general frustrated, and when the people she's been trying to get an "in" with for so long jack her around so obviously and blatantly (come to our totally-not-a-job-fair! For $500!), it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Again, all it means is that, as an applicant, her name got stored in a database. When it comes time to try to make money with the job fair, they set the parameters (probably if they're from the state of CA) and send it to everyone on the list - form is already sent in, you have a program throw their name in the appropriate places, and it's sent. No one looked at her name and saw she'd applied 30 times (seriously, though, get a hint and apply elsewhere) and did anything to f*ck with her.

If you take job rejections personally, you probably don't deserve to be hired anywhere.


K. Once again, real slow:

I don't think she was angry at the dude for sending her this specific invitation. I think that it was a combination of: 1) her frustration at joblessness in general, 2) her frustration with the Padres over ignoring her applications (which is a part of 1), 3) her incredulousness at being invited to attend a not-a-job-fair (for only $500!) by the people that already wouldn't hire her (and who couldn't guarantee anything would result from her attendance at the not-a-job-fair).

She's not taking their rejection personally, she's venting her spleen at people who so severely don't get it, you might think they were trying to get a rise out of her. I think she even said it - a simple "No" would have sufficed.

"Can I have a job as a VP of Marketing?"
"..."
"Can I have a job as a mid-level manager in Marketing?"
"..."
"Can I have a job as a salesperson for the Marketing team?"
"..."
"Can I have a job in ticket sales?"
"..."
"WTF; answer a damn e-mail, even if just to tell me to fark off!"
"How'd you like to attend our job fa- I mean, our 'employment opportunity event' for only $500? No guarantee of anything, but bring your CV and wear a suit."
"No. WTF?! Suck my balls."

If I was dealing with a shiatty client I was prepared to cut loose, I may be tempted to pen an angry letter.
 
2012-08-10 02:39:17 PM

Dr Dreidel: I think that it was a combination of: 1) her frustration at joblessness in general, 2) her frustration with the Padres over ignoring her applications (which is a part of 1), 3) her incredulousness at being invited to attend a not-a-job-fair (for only $500!) by the people that already wouldn't hire her (and who couldn't guarantee anything would result from her attendance at the not-a-job-fair).

She's not taking their rejection personally, she's venting her spleen at people who so severely don't get it, you might think they were trying to get a rise out of her. I think she even said it - a simple "No" would have sufficed.


Obviously she is butthurt about the whole process. The thing YOU don't seem to get is that EVERYBODY trying to get jobs in sports is treated this way and virtually all of them manage to not tell people to "suck my dick" over it. Again, I've actually gone through the same process everyone else has. Hell, organizations like colleges and sports teams are so f*cking slow in getting back to people that I was still receiving rejection emails from places EIGHT MONTHS after applying, and several months after already having gone through an entire hiring process with a place across the States. If you can't handle the fact that you are not a high priority on anyone else's list, you should not be applying to work in sports.
 
2012-08-10 02:48:17 PM

Endive Wombat: IAmRight: See, they don't mean anything to anyone outside of your industry. That's why it's important that the people doing the hiring provide proper requirements/desires from candidates. So it's not on HR, it's on the people who are giving them the guidelines. It's not HR's job to know every single specialty position and different certifications. It's the job of the people who know what they want to tell HR what they want so HR can do its job effectively. Perhaps if IT people/engineers weren't such poor communicators, they might not have as many problems with HR as they seem to.

I generally agree with you. Communication is key here, both from the department that needs to fill the position and the applicant. That being said, I find it amazing that an HR person would work in a specific vertical (IT for example) and appear to not know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground. I am not saying that HR needs to know every possibility of every vendors certifications, all I am saying is having some familiarity of the certificate programs out there may be useful so your recruitment process does not look like it is run and operated by a bunch of clueless morans.


1. Not sure about your buddy's experience, but I have seen many candidates sent to a hiring manager and rejected because they did not have the specific certification or degree that the hiring manager wants. The HR person specifically suggesting that the person was not qualified because they didn't have enough certs was dumb. Most good job descriptions will address this by listing multiple acceptable certs if the position has more than one that are applicable.

2. To the people asking why people who would be great, but don't have the "buzzwords" on their resume get tossed, those "buzzwords" are either listed as requirements of the position or a hiring manager has said "I will not look at anyone that doesn't have X" even though it is listed as a preferred attribute. The funny thing about requirements for the position is that you are required by law to hire someone that meets or exceeds each criteria. If a company hires someone without a degree into a position where they advertised a degree as a requirement, then every person without a degree who applied and was rejected now has grounds for a case with the EEO.
If the requirements do not fit the position, then the hiring manager is the one that should be requesting that they change, seeing as how they are the expert regarding the requirements of the position.

3. In response to, "having some familiarity of the certificate programs out there may be useful so your recruitment process does not look like it is run and operated by a bunch of clueless morans." The fact is very few companies have 1 type of employee. In fact, below I will copy and paste, for your viewing pleasure, a Wikipedia slice of the certifications that a nurse could obtain. Most large hospital systems employ several hundred nurses with a pretty large cross section of the certs listed below. In addition, there are several hundred other positions that have their own lengthy list of certifications. In a any large organization setting, very few recruiters will ever focus on 3 or 4 disciplines, let alone just IT, and a subset of IT that deals with Cisco certifications. Are there boutique shops that focus exclusively on .Net developers or left handed OB nurses? Yes, but they are expensive, and usually only place 5-10 hires for a company a year. One of our client teams where I work, hires 1500 people a month for a global distribution company. Everything from VPs to part time dock workers.


Do some HR people suck, of course. But the fact is, most corporate HR functions are not staffed by experienced, effective recruiters, they are staffed by the same people that process benefits, do training, make sure the company is in compliance with labor laws, handle employee disputes, and a hundred other things that take specialized skills that no one, except outsourcing companies, is willing to pay for.



Alphabetical listing of nursing and related credentials and certifications

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
[edit]A
AAS: Associate of Applied Science
AAN: Associate of Arts in Nursing
ABQAURP: CHCQM - Board Certification in Health Care Quality and Management
ACLS: Advanced Cardiac Life Support (not intended for postnominal use)
ACNP-BC: Acute Care Nurse Practitioner-Board Certified
ACNPC: Acute Care Nurse Practitioner Certification
ACRN: AIDS Certified Registered Nurse
ADLS: Advanced Disaster Life Support
ADN: Associate Degree in Nursing
ALNC: Advanced Legal Nurse Cosultant
ANLC: Advanced Nurse Lactation Consultant
ANP-BC: Adult Nurse Practitioner-Board Certified
ANVP: Advanced NeuroVascular Practitioner
AOCN: Advanced Oncology Certified Nurse
AOCNP: Advanced Oncology Certified Nurse Practitioner
AOCNS: Advanced Oncology Certified Clinical Nurse Specialist
APHN-BC: Advanced Public Health Nurse-Board Certified
APN: Advanced Practice Nurse
ARNP: Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner
ASN: Associate of Science in Nursing
APRN: Advanced Practice Registered Nurse
[edit]B
BLS: Basic Life Support (not intended for postnominal use)
BDLS: Basic Disaster Life Support
BM: Bachelor of Midwifery
BN: Bachelor of Nursing
BScN: Bachelor of Sciences in Nursing (Canada)
BHSc Nsg: Bachelor Health Science-Nursing Nursing Qualification for RNs in Australia
BSN: Bachelor of Science in Nursing
[edit]C
CANP: Certified Adult Nurse Practitioner
CATN-P: Course in Advanced Trauma Nursing -Provider (not intended for postnominal use)
CATN-I: Course in Advanced Trauma Nursing -Instructor (not intended for postnominal use)
CAPA: Certified Ambulatory Perianesthesia nurse
CARN: Certified Addictions Registered Nurse
CBN: Certified Bariatric Nurse
CCCN: Certified Continence Care Nurse
CCM: Certified Case Manager
CCNS: Certified Clinical Nurse Specialist
CCRN: Certified Critical Care Nurse
CCTC: Certified Clinical Transplant Coordinator
CCTN: Certified Clinical Transplant Nurse
CTRN: Certified Critical Care Transportation Nurse
CDDN: Certified Developmental Disabilities Nurse
CDE: Certified Diabetes Educator
CDMS: Certified Disability Management Specialist
CDN: Certified Dialysis Nurse
CDONA/LTC: Certified Director of Nursing Administration/Long Term Care
C-EFM: Certified in Electronic Fetal Monitoring
CEN: Certified Emergency Nurse
CETN: Certified Enterostomal Therapy Nurse
CFCN: Certified Foot Care Nurse
CFN: Certified Forensic Nurse
CFNP: Certified Family Nurse Practitioner
CFRN: Certified Flight Registered Nurse
CHES: Certified Health Education Specialist
CGN: Certified Gastroenterology Nurse
CGRN: Certified Gastroenterology Registered Nurse
CHN: Certified Hemodyalisis Nurse
CHPN: Certified Hospice and Palliative Nurse
CHRN: Certified Hyperbaric Registered Nurse
CIC: Certified in Infection Control
CLC: Certified Lactation Counselor
CLNC: Certified Legal Nurse Consultant
CMA: Certified Medical Assistant
CM: Certified Midwife
CMC: Cardiac Medicine Certification
CMCN: Certified Managed Care Nurse
CMDSC: Certified MDS Coordinator
CMSRN: Certified Medical-Surgical Registered Nurse
CNA: Certified in Nursing Administration
CNE: Certified Nurse Educator
CNL: Clinical Nurse Leader
CNLCP: Certified Nurse Life Care Planner
CNM: Certified Nurse Midwife
CNML: Certified Nurse Manager and Leader
CNN: Certified in Nephrology Nursing
CNOR: Certified Nurse, Operating Room
CNO: Chief Nursing Officer
CNP: Certified Nurse Practitioner
C-NPT: Certified in Neonatal Pediatric Transport
CNRN: Certified Neuroscience Registered Nurse
CNS: Clinical Nurse Specialist
CNSN: Certified Nutrition Support Nurse
COCN: Certified Ostomy Care Nurse
COHN: Certified Occupational Health Nurse
COHN/CM: Certified Occupational Health Nurse/Case Manager
COHN-S: Certified Occupational Health Nurse-Specialist
COHN-S/CM: Certified Occupational Health Nurse-Specialist/Case Manager
CORLN: Certified Otorhinolaryngology Nurse
CPAN: Certified Post Anesthesia Nurse
CPDN: Certified Peritoneal Dialysis Nurse
CPEN: Certified Pediatric Emergency Nurse
CPHQ: Certified Professional in Healthcare Quality
CPN: Certified Pediatric Nurse
CPNA: Certified Pediatric Nurse Associate
CPNL: Certified Practical Nurse, Long-term care
CPNP: Certified Pediatric Nurse Practitioner
CPON: Certified Pediatric Oncology Nurse
CPSN: Certified Plastic Surgical Nurse
CRN: Certified Radiologic Nurse
CRNA: Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist
CRNFA: Certified Registered Nurse First Assistant
CRNI: Certified Registered Nurse Intravenous
CRNL: Certified Registered Nurse, Long-term care
CRNO: Certified Registered Nurse in Ophthalmology
CRNP: Certified Registered Nurse Practitioner
CRRN: Certified Rehabilitation Registered Nurse
CRRN-A: Certified Rehabilitation Registered Nurse-Advanced
CS: Clinical Specialist
CSC: Cardiac Surgery Certification
C-SPI: Certified Specialist in Poison Information
CT: Certified in Thanatology (dying, death and bereavement)
CTN: Certified Transcultural Nurse
CTRN: Certified Transport Registered Nurse
CTRS: Certified Therapeutic Recreational Specialist
CUA: Certified Urologic Associate
CUCNS: Certified Urologic Clinical Nurse Specialist
CUNP: Certified Urologic Nurse Practitioner
CURN: Certified Urologic Registered Nurse
CVN: Certified Vascular Nurse
CWCN: Certified Wound Care Nurse
CWOCN: Certified Wound, Ostomy, Continence Nurse
CWS: Certified Wound Specialist
[edit]D
DN: Doctor of Nursing
DNP: Doctor of Nursing Practice
DrNP: Doctor of Nursing Practice
DNS: Doctor of Nursing Science also seen as DNSc
[edit]E
EdD: Doctor of Education
EN: Enrolled Nurse
ENPC: Emergency Nursing Pediatric Course (not intended for postnominal use)
ET: Enterostomal Therapist
[edit]F
FAAN: Fellow, American Academy of Nursing
FAAPM: Fellow, American Academy of Pain Management
FAEN: Fellow, Academy of Emergency Nursing
FNC: Family Nurse Clinician
FNP-C: Family Nurse Practitioner (Certified by AANP)
FNP-BC: Family Nurse Practitioner (Certified by ANCC)
FPNP: Family Planning Nurse Practitioner
FRCN: Fellow, Royal College of Nursing
FRCNA: Fellow, Royal College of Nursing, Australia
[edit]G
GN: Graduate Nurse (awaiting RN licensure)
GNP: Gerontological Nurse Practitioner
GPN: General Pediatric Nurse
GPN: Graduate Practical Nurse
GRN: Graduate Registered Nurse
[edit]H
HNC: Holistic Nurse, Certified
[edit]I
IBQH: International Board for Quality in Healthcare
IBCLC: International Board-Certified Lactation Consultant
ICC: Intensive Care Certification
INC: Intensive Neonatal Care certification
IPN: Immunisation Program Nurse: Queensland Australia specialist qualification / endorsement
[edit]L
LCCE: Lamaze Certified Childbirth Educator
LNC: Legal Nurse Consultant
LNCC: Legal Nurse Consultant, Certified
LNP: Licensed Nurse Practitioner-Used by the Commonwealth of Virginia, Board of Nursing, as a license status[1]
LPN: Licensed Practical Nurse
LSN: Licensed School Nurse
LTC: Long Term Care (LPN Specific)
LVN: Licensed Vocational Nurse
[edit]M
MA: Master of Arts
MAN: Master of Arts in Nursing
MICT: Master of Information and Communication Technology
ME: Menopause Educator
MEd: Masters in Education
MEmerg Nsg: Masters Degree in Emergency Nursing Australia
MHN: Mental Health Nurse-Registered Nurse Endorsed to practice Advanced nursing in Mental Health [1]
MICN: Mobile Intensive Care Nurse
MN: Master of Nursing
MPH: Master of Public Health
MRCNA: Member, Royal College of Nursing, Australia
MS: Master of Science
MSN: Master of Science in Nursing
[edit]N
NCSN: National Certified School Nurse
NE-BC: Nurse Executive-Board Certified
NEA-BC: Nurse Executive Advanced-Board Certified
NNP-BC: Neonatal Nurse Practitioner
NPC: Nurse Practitioner, Certified
NPP: Nurse Practitioner, Psychiatric
NVRN: NeuroVascular Registered Nurse
NZCFN: New Zealand Certified Flight Nurse
[edit]O
OCN: Oncology Certified Nurse
ONC: Orthopaedic Nurse Certified
[edit]P
PALS: Pediatric Advanced Life Support (not intended for postnominal use)
PCCN: Progressive Care Certified Nurse
PCNS: Pediatric Clinical Nurse Specialist
PhD: Doctor of Philosophy
PHN: Public Health Nurse
PHRN: Pre-Hospital Registered Nurse
PMHCNS-BC: Psychiatric Mental Health Clinical Nurse Specialist
PMHNP-BC: Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner
PNP-BC: Pediatric Nurse Practitioner - Board Certified
PNP-AC: Pediatric Nurse Practitioner - Acute Care
[edit]R
RN: Registered nurse
RIN: Rural and Isolated Practice Registered Nurses (RIPRN) (Queensland, Australia)
RN-BC: Registered Nurse, ANCC Board Certified
RNC: Registered Nurse, Certified: American Academy Certified Nurse
RNC-LRN: Registered Nurse Certified in Low Risk Neonatal Nursing
RNC-MNN: Registered Nurse Certified in Maternal Newborn Nursing
RNC-NIC: Registered Nurse Certified in Neonatal Intensive Care
RNC-OB: Registered Nurse Certified in Inpatient Obstetrics
RNCS: Registered Nurse Clinical Specialist
RNCS: Registered Nurse Certified Specialist
RNFA: Registered Nurse First Assistant
RPN: Registered practical nurse
RPN: Registered Psychiatric Nurse (Western Canada)
[edit]S
SANE-A: Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner-Adult/Adolescent
SANE-P: Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner-Pediatric
SEN: State Enrolled Nurse
SHN: Sexual and Reproductive Health endorsed RN-Queensland Australia
SN: Student Nurse (RN preparation)
SPN: Student Nurse (LPN preparation)
SRNA: Student Registered Nurse Anesthetist(CRNA preparation)
SVN: Student Nurse (LVN preparation)
[edit]T
TNCC-I: Trauma Nursing Core Course Instructor (not intended for postnominal use)
TNCC-P: Trauma Nursing Core Course Provider (not intended for postnominal use)
TNP: Telephone Nursing Practitioner
TNS: Trauma Nurse Specialist
[edit]W
WHNP-BC: Women's Health Care Nurse Practitioner
WCC: Wound Care Certified
 
2012-08-10 02:50:47 PM

MattyFridays: Do not understand why, if you want to work in sports, why you'd move to San Diego, rather than Los Angeles.

San Diego: Two pro sports teams.

Los Angeles: Two NBA teams, two one MLB teams, two one NHL teams.


FTFY
The Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles is the only LA baseball team.
 
2012-08-10 03:01:09 PM

downstairs:

All good, but she better realzie that as she moves up in the sports world, she's going to be moving. A lot.


#1 reason I got out of radio. I lucked out in that I moved up 3x in my backyard, but if I wanted to continue going up the ladder, I had to move. As my wife was making more than me at the time, wasn't going to happen.

Two of my friends in radio lucked out in that their wives both make way more money than they do. The wives moved for their opportunities, and they looked for jobs in the market.
 
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