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(KREM Spokane)   Twelve-year-old Washington boy raises $25,000 for World War II veterans by flipping burgers, gets special recognition for his efforts--a hefty fine from the health inspector   (krem.com ) divider line
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2012-08-10 12:01:13 AM  
Lord knows we supported those vets as they committed murder and wanton destruction because it was for a good cause. Seems like we could excuse this kid too.
 
2012-08-10 12:03:38 AM  
It's a great cause and I'm glad the kid thought to do it. Really, we need more kids like him.

Well, maybe kids who will actually look into getting permits before jumping into their feel-good things, but really. Good for him.
 
2012-08-10 12:15:05 AM  
I fully approve of health inspectors doing their job, including this one. My first thought was "if I was that health inspector, I'd write him up then tell him 'don't worry about this one, kid, I'll pay it,'" then get some folks to chip in.

Apparently that's pretty much what happened.

If he still doesn't acquire the necessary permits in a reasonable period, lock him up and throw away the key.
 
2012-08-10 12:23:01 AM  
You can't get e. coli from a charity fundraiser burger.

It's a scientific fact.
 
2012-08-10 12:27:58 AM  
If my kitchen hasn't killed me, I doubt this kid could

/maybe I've built up a resistance...
 
2012-08-10 12:35:32 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: It's a great cause and I'm glad the kid thought to do it. Really, we need more kids like him.

Well, maybe kids who will actually look into getting permits before jumping into their feel-good things, but really. Good for him.


Exactly.

Do what you want, but if you break the law take your lumps. Kid raised over a grand 25 times in a row and spent a handful of that on meat and such. He got $170 fine, which someone else paid. Non story. Things work right.
 
2012-08-10 01:29:35 AM  
we're a country of RULES gotdammit! those veterans didn't drag their asses through mud, blood and death so that some kid could break the RULES! you got ta have RULES or else there's ANARCHY! And this country is about RULES! RULES are FREEDOMS! RULES boy! that's what makes us free! mindless, slavish obedience to rules sets up above the gotdamn animals and socialisms! when you stick your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your egg salad...well...then you'll know what to do.
 
2012-08-10 01:58:55 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I fully approve of health inspectors doing their job, including this one. My first thought was "if I was that health inspector, I'd write him up then tell him 'don't worry about this one, kid, I'll pay it,'" then get some folks to chip in.

Apparently that's pretty much what happened.

If he still doesn't acquire the necessary permits in a reasonable period, lock him up and throw away the key.


Yeah, the fact that the board members covered the fine themselves makes this a non-story. Nobody is playing favorites or getting special treatment and the kid learned a lesson. Good on everybody involved.

I'm almost amazed that everybody involved in this story acted with logic and common sense and decency.
 
2012-08-10 02:10:29 AM  
Yeah, a hefty fine that he doesn't have to pay.

How the fark hard is it to get a food handler's permit?
 
2012-08-10 02:35:28 AM  
I miss the America before the lawyers took over, so all this stuff has to be triple-ass-covered now.
 
2012-08-10 02:46:40 AM  
That's a pretty cool story all around. I wish submitter had used the cool or spiffy tag and included in the headline the folks who stepped in to pay this boy's fine.
 
2012-08-10 03:19:09 AM  

doglover: The My Little Pony Killer: It's a great cause and I'm glad the kid thought to do it. Really, we need more kids like him.

Well, maybe kids who will actually look into getting permits before jumping into their feel-good things, but really. Good for him.

Exactly.

Do what you want, but if you break the law take your lumps. Kid raised over a grand 25 times in a row and spent a handful of that on meat and such. He got $170 fine, which someone else paid. Non story. Things work right.


This.


violentsalvation: That's a pretty cool story all around. I wish submitter had used the cool or spiffy tag and included in the headline the folks who stepped in to pay this boy's fine.


Also this. Failing to see the sad here.

And the troll in the boobies is really weak.
 
2012-08-10 04:03:21 AM  

Generation_D: I miss the America before the lawyers took over, so all this stuff has to be triple-ass-covered now.


Can you imagine a world without lawyers??

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2012-08-10 04:19:25 AM  
Yes, because laws don't apply to everyone equally.
 
2012-08-10 06:22:27 AM  
Jeez, have you seen the hygiene of the typical 12yo?
 
2012-08-10 06:42:48 AM  
B-b-b-but VETERANS!
 
2012-08-10 06:43:20 AM  

edmo: Lord knows we supported those vets as they committed murder and wanton destruction because it was for a good cause. Seems like we could excuse this kid too.


nah, the kid isn't old enough to be useful militarily. fark him.
 
2012-08-10 06:45:55 AM  

doglover: The My Little Pony Killer: It's a great cause and I'm glad the kid thought to do it. Really, we need more kids like him.

Well, maybe kids who will actually look into getting permits before jumping into their feel-good things, but really. Good for him.

Exactly.

Do what you want, but if you break the law take your lumps. Kid raised over a grand 25 times in a row and spent a handful of that on meat and such. He got $170 fine, which someone else paid. Non story. Things work right.


That and the story of his getting fined being in the news if going to result in a flood of donations for his cause.
 
2012-08-10 06:52:24 AM  
Now they know how to do it properly next time. Live and learn.
 
2012-08-10 06:58:03 AM  

edmo: Lord knows we supported those vets as they committed murder and wanton destruction because it was for a good cause. Seems like we could excuse this kid too.


Well if they didn't we'd all be speaking German now and I'd rather not sound like an angry Klingon with strep throat. I can give our vets some love for at least that.
 
2012-08-10 07:02:22 AM  

Krieghund: You can't get e. coli from a charity fundraiser burger.

It's a scientific fact.


Fortunately, permits kill e coli on contact. Dunno about Mad Cow Disease, though.
 
2012-08-10 07:04:36 AM  
Oh, and I'm not sure about where he lives, but here those permits are free, you just have to take a class on basic kitchen sanitation, and it only takes about an hour.
 
2012-08-10 07:07:06 AM  
Thats what he gets for starting something on his own. You're supposed to have government mandated help
 
2012-08-10 07:17:18 AM  
Burgers, boogers? It's all the same.
 
2012-08-10 07:22:08 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I fully approve of health inspectors doing their job, including this one. My first thought was "if I was that health inspector, I'd write him up then tell him 'don't worry about this one, kid, I'll pay it,'" then get some folks to chip in.


Or how about just leave and pretend you didn't see it. I used to work with a former health inspector, and learned a lot about where, and where not, to eat. All those stereotypical stories about Chinese restaurants, true apparently - their stock-in-trade being "recycling" of leftovers - just rinse the typical chinese meal down in a collander; all the rice and sauce rinses through and voilla, free veggies and meat.
 
2012-08-10 07:25:35 AM  

Weaver95: we're a country of RULES gotdammit! those veterans didn't drag their asses through mud, blood and death so that some kid could break the RULES! you got ta have RULES or else there's ANARCHY! And this country is about RULES! RULES are FREEDOMS! RULES boy! that's what makes us free! mindless, slavish obedience to rules sets up above the gotdamn animals and socialisms! when you stick your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your egg salad...well...then you'll know what to do.


t0.gstatic.com

Conformity keeps us safe. Shut up and do what you're told.
 
2012-08-10 07:34:25 AM  
Meanwhile the rest of the law-abiding burger flippers in America work for below-living-wage jobs that don't pay health care benefits because fark the American working class. Or whatever.
 
2012-08-10 07:39:19 AM  
Sounds reasonable. The reason for the permit requirement is entirely practical, not moral or ethical, and thus not really subject to socially-justified exceptions. Mishandled food made for you by Jesus himself using tools thrice-blessed in the holy Styx and sanctified by the Dalai Lama will kill you just as dead as food mishandled by a dirty hobo who rapes puppies to death for entertainment.

An aside, though: how many WW2 vets are there around these days? At the youngest, you'd have to have been 18 in 1945, putting you at 85, meaning the youngest WW2 vets are 15 years over the average lifespan.

//My grandfather's still alive, but well past the use-by date, as it were, 80% of the time he thinks he's still in training for the air force in said war. Seems like an indicator that there likely aren't many around now, unless the VA system is such good medical care that it violates the laws of causality. Collecting for, say, Vietnam vets would seem to make more sense.
 
2012-08-10 07:40:02 AM  
At least the kid is learning early in life that you cant do anything without paying a fee or bribe. Freedom isnt free.
 
2012-08-10 07:41:20 AM  

Asa Phelps: Yeah, a hefty fine that he doesn't have to pay.

How the fark hard is it to get a food handler's permit?


It depends on your location. Around here, the operator has to attend an 8 hour training course, and if the operator has *anyone* help him/her, those people have to attend a 4 hour training course.

After attending the course then you can pay your permit fee and get the permit, but you have to keep your papers on you, because the health department can ask for them during an inspection. Someone who is helping you, doing anything at all - better be holding a permit or otherwise fine/shut down/etc.
 
2012-08-10 07:55:02 AM  

Krieghund: You can't get e. coli from a charity fundraiser burger once the government has collected $175 in taxes.

It's a scientific fact.


FTFY
 
2012-08-10 07:55:03 AM  
This is one of the few times where everything works right:

1. A child does his civic duty and acts the good citizen out of his own charitable conscience.
2. A government doesn't try to swaddle itself in causes for its own gain and applies the law equally to all.
3. The adults who make up that government help the civic-minded child, teaching him a lesson in a compassionate, non-judgmental way.

Somehow, almost supernaturally, as if somebody just had to inject what is essentially the perfect story with human shiat, subby comes along to spin it negatively.
 
2012-08-10 07:58:34 AM  

Asa Phelps: How the fark hard is it to get a food handler's permit?


Could be tough for a 12 year old. Otherwise when I was a teen it was $25 and a 4 hour class. Normally paid for by your employer.

Jim_Callahan: An aside, though: how many WW2 vets are there around these days? At the youngest, you'd have to have been 18 in 1945, putting you at 85, meaning the youngest WW2 vets are 15 years over the average lifespan.


A lot of the survivors are the ones who lied about their age; entering when they were as young as 15.
 
2012-08-10 08:02:48 AM  

edmo: Lord knows we supported those vets as they committed murder and wanton destruction because it was for a good cause. Seems like we could excuse this kid too.


1/10
It's like you're not even trying. A bit more effort next time.
 
2012-08-10 08:05:06 AM  
Before

customer: Hey kid, your undercooked hamburger gave me the shiats.
kid: I'm sorry ma'am/sir.
customer: Aw that's okay, not as bad as anything I would've gotten from eating at Taco Bell.

----
After

customer: Hey kid,your undercooked hamburger gave me the shiats.
kid: I'm sorry ma'am/sir. I have a permit now.
customer: Can I have another, please?
 
2012-08-10 08:13:19 AM  

Satanus Maximus: Before

customer: Hey kid, your undercooked hamburger gave me the shiats.
kid: I'm sorry ma'am/sir.
customer: Aw that's okay, not as bad as anything I would've gotten from eating at Taco Bell.

----
After

customer: Hey kid,your undercooked hamburger gave me the shiats.
kid: I'm sorry ma'am/sir. I have a permit now.
customer: Can I have another, please?


Actually, knowing how much you Americans like to sue each other over the slightest thing it'd be more like...
After:
customer: Hey kid,your undercooked hamburger gave me the shiats.
kid: I'm sorry ma'am/sir. I did a course on kitchen hygiene, here's my permit.
customer: I'll see you in court
 
2012-08-10 08:23:01 AM  
Obama sends Union thugs to crush the hopes and aspirations of 12 year old patriotic entrepreneur

Welcome to Obama's world!


/keeding
 
2012-08-10 08:23:58 AM  
Good thing he wasn't selling lemonade.
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2012-08-10 08:31:07 AM  
If you're going to do something like this; serve food for charity, make sure you take all the necessary precautions. In the least, you'll need the necessary Board of Health permits for the jurisdiction you'll be working in. Then, you'll need to be available for routine inspections, and surprise inspection and pass them. You'll also need one or more vendor permit to sell in a particular area or venue. In some community, these permits are limited in number and you'll have to sit on a waiting list. You'd also be wise to get at least $1 million in liability coverage in the event that you make people sick or they claim you did. Around here, the permit starts at $550.00 per year and the vendor permits are $1000.00 per year. Liability insurance will range from $500 to $1500 per year and I think the liability of a kid cooking food would probably put that on the high side. So, play by the rules. Ignorance is no excuse.

/ bootstrappy
 
2012-08-10 08:31:28 AM  

cretinbob: Yes, because laws don't apply to everyone equally.


I didn't know whether to tag this as "Smart" or "Funny."
 
2012-08-10 08:32:50 AM  
In addition; bureaucrats have to eat too.
 
2012-08-10 08:43:25 AM  
As a former health inspector, I fully agree with the training and permit thing. If you want to sell food, you need to be ready to comply with your state's laws on selling food, just because you're a minor and doing it for charity doesn't matter. People can get sick from e coli, botulism, yersinia, staph, etc... if you aren't handling your food correctly. Frankly an 8 hour course sounds too short.

/people that get burgers at less than "medium" are asking for trouble.
 
2012-08-10 08:44:08 AM  
As a health inspector, the county I'm in wouldn't have charged this kid a fine or for a permit because it was a fundraiser, but only if he was registered as a non-for profit organization. He would still have to register with us though to let us know where he was going to set up and someone would have to have taken a class to become food safety certified. Their setup would also be inspected to food code regulations. If we didn't do things this way, then every weekend there would be multiple people set up some where doing "fundraisers" like this and probably a lot more food borne illness outbreaks.

Every state and every county has different rules though.


/veteran
//good job kid
///I wouldn't have eaten the burger
 
2012-08-10 08:55:16 AM  
This wasn't a farking lemonade stand. He's serving burgers. Take the food safety class, get the permit and learn an important lesson in life. If the city let him slide and some idiot mom bought their kid an undercooked burger and the kid died from e coli, the town would be sued.
 
2012-08-10 08:57:25 AM  
Meh, just further proof that no good deed goes unpunished.
 
2012-08-10 08:59:01 AM  

Girion47: Frankly an 8 hour course sounds too short.


For cooking burgers? I can understand 8 being too short if you're a restaurant owner, chef, or some such. But it doesn't take even a moron 8 hours to learn 'keep cold stuff cold, hot stuff hot, and dispose by the date indicated on the package', along with a few things like 'cook meat X to Y temperature for Z time'.
 
2012-08-10 08:59:02 AM  
Asa Phelps:

Yeah, a hefty fine that he doesn't have to pay.

How the fark hard is it to get a food handler's permit?


Actually, it can be a little more complicated than that.

There was a similar case near me where a little old lady was making thousands of muffins and other baked goods and selling them at a local farmer's market for a charitable cause, and was eventually told to quit because she was baking them in her home kitchen... Local health regulations required things like stainless steel work surfaces and annual sanitation inspections.

That story also had a sane and happy ending, as a volunteer fire hall offered her the use of their kitchen. She was back up and running a week later.
 
2012-08-10 09:01:02 AM  

MBooda: Good thing he wasn't selling lemonade.
[image.patriotpost.us image 300x351]


What is it like being told how to think by the television machine?
 
2012-08-10 09:04:41 AM  
Goodness you people have a hard-on for regulations and permits.

Do you get your home kitchen inspected and licensed before you let your house harpy load pop-tarts in the morning, too?
 
2012-08-10 09:08:35 AM  
scarmig:

Goodness you people have a hard-on for regulations and permits.

Do you get your home kitchen inspected and licensed before you let your house harpy load pop-tarts in the morning, too?


Can your house harpy give 100 paying customers dysentery in a single day?

/ won't ask about STDs.
 
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