I'm not done. This is so much worse than the vetoed Chris Paul trade in so many ways. Scola, Martin, Dragic, and Odom are actually pretty good (excluding Odom) and Dwight is arguably BETTER than Paul. I like Paul more than Howard but seriously, he's the best center in the league. That only comes around once a decade.

I hate the Lakers... before now I don't think I'd ever actively root for an injury for a player. I still probably won't, but I won't feel too bad about it. Goddammit.

AdolfOliverPanties: Lakers get Howard WITHOUT giving up Gasol?

Holy shiat on a Ritz cracker.

now here's a trade stern should veto.

Dwight for Bynum and a 1st round pick is about right. Both are great talents, Dwight just a little better. Both in their early prime. Both on the last year of their contracts.

Problem is the Lakers are all finesse now. They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

TheManofPA: Ok, ESPN's picture of Dwight right now just screams a "Why you mad?" caption



Like this?

man metaphysical: in a lakers vs heats finals i dont know who i would root for

The Lakers strictly because of Nash and his lack of a title.

Holy Shiat-- got him without dumping Gasol. It's gonna either be a championship or 2004 all over again. I don't really see Nash and Howard playing the same roles as Payton and the Mailman. Maybe Kobe and Howard. Probably just Howard.

bhcompy: They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

But none of those teams can beat them in 7 games. Also, Jailblazers? That was a decade ago, they have none of those players from the early 00s right now.

bhcompy: Dwight for Bynum and a 1st round pick is about right. Both are great talents, Dwight just a little better. Both in their early prime. Both on the last year of their contracts.

Problem is the Lakers are all finesse now. They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

Dwight plays a pretty physical game. He doesn't dish out as many dirty elbows and forearms like Bynum but still very physical.

I get the Lakers, I get Philly, I even get what Orlando's doing here.

But Denver.....Afflalo, Harrington, and a 1st for Iggy? I don't see what they're doing here. Any Denver fans able to shed some light on this?

fatalvenom: /ESPN should become BTRN
//Basketball Talk Radio Network

Despite the fact that they talk about the NFL ALL YEAR ROUND, they give mucho love to baseball, and no one cares about hockey in the first place? Pretty stupid comment. They talk about hoops when football is over and when something important happens. Don't blame the game of basketball because ESPN refuses to care about hockey. They would treat the NBA similarly if they stopped playing games on ESPN and ABC. They would still talk about it because of ratings (the NBA is a whole shiat ton more popular than the NHL, it's been that way since the 80s), but they would downplay it like they downplay hockey right now.

regindyn: I get the Lakers, I get Philly, I even get what Orlando's doing here.

But Denver.....Afflalo, Harrington, and a 1st for Iggy? I don't see what they're doing here. Any Denver fans able to shed some light on this?

Iggy is one of the top 5 small forwards in the game today and he is the best defender in the game today.
He can stop/slow down the best player on almost any team. PG, SG, SF & PF.

Think about it, you have LeBron, KD, then...

And he's a great guy, he was screwed over his entire career in Philadelphia with totally incompetent management, insanely stupid fans and a media that can only be described as feral.

Komplex: then...

MARION! Lol, I know he's old but he helped slow down LeBron big time in 2011.

Plus, Melo is probably the 3rd best SF despite his lack of defense. Better than Iggy at least.

TheJoe03: bhcompy: They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

But none of those teams can beat them in 7 games. Also, Jailblazers? That was a decade ago, they have none of those players from the early 00s right now.

Sure it can. Just takes a few calls to go the other way, and that happens in at least one series a year. The Nuggets always make the Lakers work, and will as long as Karl is around. The Clippers are poised to challenge for the Western seed, but now are probably shooting themselves in the foot for letting Reggie Evans go(the energy will be necessary at C)

bhcompy: Sure it can.

It can but probably wont. I don't know for sure until I actually seem them play but in the NBA the best team pretty much always wins in the playoffs (unless the other team is a matchup krytonite, ie Warriors vs Mavs), it's not like the other leagues where more upsets happen.

One the one hand, fark the Lakers.

On the other hand, at least the Rockets didn't trade all of their young talent for one year of Howard.

MayoSlather:
Dwight plays a pretty physical game. He doesn't dish out as many dirty elbows and forearms like Bynum but still very physical.

Are you kidding? Bynum may throw those big forearms that get him ejected and suspended but Dwight was notorious for throwing the elbows. Mostly everyone gave him a pass for it because he went around smiling with his Disneyworld image. But now that image is gone from self-inflicted wounds.

bhcompy:
Problem is the Lakers are all finesse now. They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

The Clippers are too busy flopping to be considered physical.

MayoSlather: bhcompy: Dwight for Bynum and a 1st round pick is about right. Both are great talents, Dwight just a little better. Both in their early prime. Both on the last year of their contracts.

Problem is the Lakers are all finesse now. They're going to get muscled around by the Jailblazers, Nuggets, Jazz, and Clippers..

Dwight plays a pretty physical game. He doesn't dish out as many dirty elbows and forearms like Bynum but still very physical.

The Nuggets haven't muscled anyone around since K-Mart left. McGee and Faried are long and ridiculously athletic but not body movers in the paint.

I guess losing Shaq and Dwight to the Lakers is what we get for naming our team "Magic"

i was one week late on my prediction, but i am ok with that =)

The Lakers perform another Jedi mind trick on not just one, but four teams.....truly amazing. So, how long until Phil Jackson comes out of retirement?

R.P.M.: i was one week late on my prediction, but i am ok with that =)

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Is... is Gasol farking that basketball?

elguerodiablo: I hate the Nuggets part of this. We lose Afflalo who is one of the best defenders at the 2 and a decent scorer and a good shooter off the bench in Harrington for Iguodala who is one of the best defenders at the 2 and rebounds a better than Afflalo but doesn't score as much. So as far as I can tell we got Afflalos equal and lost Harrington who scored 14 points a game. I havent seen the salary numbers so it could have just been a salary dump opportunity. Harrington was hurt a lot last year but he seemed to power thru it and still played well so I dont think it was an injury thing.

Plus we pretty much gift wrapped a championship for the Lakers who have knocked us out of the playoffs the last couple years. It's like giving the bully that kicks your ass and takes your lunch money everyday a set of brass knuckles for christmas. I don't get this at all from the Nuggets perspective.

Don't forget the first round draft pick. I think thats the real reason they got involved. How else were they going to unload those pesky draft picks?

On the other hand, Nash wont have the magical Phx medical staff, and Howard has a bad back.

NotEric: The Clippers are too busy flopping to be considered physical.

Griffin flops, but he also already gets treated like Shaq by the refs. He's fouled hard every play.

Jordan is developing in to a pretty solid interior presence, though. Turiaf also adds a bit of toughness, and no one can accuse Butler of being soft.

bhcompy: NotEric: The Clippers are too busy flopping to be considered physical.

Griffin flops, but he also already gets treated like Shaq by the refs. He's fouled hard every play.

Jordan is developing in to a pretty solid interior presence, though. Turiaf also adds a bit of toughness, and no one can accuse Butler of being soft.

It's mainly Paul and Griffin who flops so blatantly anyways.

TheKillingJoke: bhcompy: NotEric: The Clippers are too busy flopping to be considered physical.

Griffin flops, but he also already gets treated like Shaq by the refs. He's fouled hard every play.

Jordan is developing in to a pretty solid interior presence, though. Turiaf also adds a bit of toughness, and no one can accuse Butler of being soft.

It's mainly Paul and Griffin who flops so blatantly anyways.

and the nut shots by Paul. can't forget those.

thanks for the laugh on Gasol in the picture. totally didn't see it. thanks for the laugh!

Dwightmare?

Could this be the greatest NBA team of all time? Would give the '85 Lakers a run for their money....

The only reason I would cheer for the Lakers would be for them to resign Eddie Farking Jones.

Mike Brown, your thoughts:

bhcompy:
Griffin flops, but he also already gets treated like Shaq by the refs. He's fouled hard every play.


And just like Shaq:
1) Griffin gets away with offensive fouls on the other end, keeping him on the floor
2) You don't want him shooting free throws, anyways

VvonderJesus: Mike Brown, your thoughts:

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after seeing what he did last (granted, it was very limited time span), i hope he does what most people wrongfully accuse Jackson from doing

still so happy!

Mike Brown's biggest problem now is who is he going to draw?


/old retro
//image is hot

regindyn: I get the Lakers, I get Philly, I even get what Orlando's doing here.

But Denver.....Afflalo, Harrington, and a 1st for Iggy? I don't see what they're doing here. Any Denver fans able to shed some light on this?

Iggy is easily the best player Denver has. Probably ever. And let me be clear, I'd rather have Iggy than Melo, and it's no contest. Melo's a very good offensive player who is utter crap on defense and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Iggy is one of the best defensive players of all time that does everything you wish players would do. His offense isn't great, but it doesn't suck either. He's, by a lot of measures, one of the most underpaid players who isn't on a rookie contract.

Orlando sucks.

Basketball analysts: Denver made out like bandits in this deal.

FARK: WTF was Denver doing???

I wonder who is probably right...

Guys, Harrington sucks. He's a PF who can't defend and can't crack 45% shooting. Stop acting like Denver losing Harrington is a bad thing for the Nuggets. Afflalo is pretty good, but you're giving him up to get the best perimeter defender in the game (yeah, that's Iggy, not LeBron), is a good initiator on offense, can rebound, and can score. Essentially, they're shedding Harrington and giving up Afflalo for a much better version of Afflalo.

And I'm still not sold on this version of the Lakers. Yes, they have talent, but can they fit together? Nash hates Kobe, Pau hates Kobe, Kobe hates everyone, everyone hates Dwight, no one listens to Mike Brown, and Ron Artest is still a nutter. I don't see how Pau and Dwight won't clog up the lane on offense any differently from Pau and Bynum. Pretty much, they are trying to go big in a league that's starting to heavily resort to small ball because of the defensive rule changes that happened like a decade ago. The Lakers biggest challenges are going to be OKC and Miami (obviously), and those teams present huge mismatches. Artest and Pau can't guard Durant, no one on that team will be able to guard Westbrook, and Perkins can play passable defense on Dwight. For Miami, they can still play Bosh at the C to take Dwight out of the paint, LeBron can guard Gasol, Wade >>> Kobe. Nash is the only thing that makes this interesting.

I'll also have to see Kobe take a lesser role on offense before I believe it.

jacko-bite: Could this be the greatest NBA team of all time? Would give the '85 Lakers a run for their money....

Yeah, a 38 year old Steve Nash, 34 year old Kobe, 32 year old Gasol, Metta World Peace and Howard are better than the Showtime Lakers....right...

Besides, the greatest NBA team of all time is the '98 Bulls.

Why Would I Read the Article: Why do so many teams keep insisting on giving their best players to the Lakers for nothing? How does this keep happening?

Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak sold their souls to the Devil, but that's pretty standard for LA.

regindyn: I get the Lakers, I get Philly, I even get what Orlando's doing here.

But Denver.....Afflalo, Harrington, and a 1st for Iggy? I don't see what they're doing here. Any Denver fans able to shed some light on this?

Iggy is a far better player than Afflalo, Harrington is old and late 1st round picks have little value. Plus, I think it's a money saver long term.

elguerodiablo: I hate the Nuggets part of this. We lose Afflalo who is one of the best defenders at the 2 and a decent scorer and a good shooter off the bench in Harrington for Iguodala who is one of the best defenders at the 2 and rebounds a better than Afflalo but doesn't score as much. So as far as I can tell we got Afflalos equal and lost Harrington who scored 14 points a game. I havent seen the salary numbers so it could have just been a salary dump opportunity. Harrington was hurt a lot last year but he seemed to power thru it and still played well so I dont think it was an injury thing.

The Nuggets have a lot of depth, though. Losing Harrington might be bad in a vacuum, but those minutes will go to Faried and Gallinari who can easily replace that production. You also forgot that Iggy is a great passer for a wing (5 assists/game for his career).

Baryogenesis: Besides, the greatest NBA team of all time is the '98 '96 Bulls.

FTFY

Also, the Nuggets get a bonafied star who can create shots, which is what they were missing. A goto guy.

wtf? Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Steve Nash AND NOW Dwight Howard?
this shiat just ain't right to the rest of the NBA.
enjoy it while you can, Miami. You're farking toast come the Finals.
Just add water for your next championship, Mr. Jerry.

Why would the Magic take this instead of the rockets deal? The Rockets would have taken Turkolus shiat sandwhich of a contract, given them Torontos probably top 5 pick, Jeremy Lamb, the Rockets probably mid first round pick and Kevin Martins expiring contract. That's TWO much better draft picks, an expiring contract AND they would have offloaded a retarded contract.

gtfan92: Baryogenesis: Besides, the greatest NBA team of all time is the '98 '96 Bulls.

FTFY

83 Sixers.....

NotEric: Are you kidding? Bynum may throw those big forearms that get him ejected and suspended but Dwight was notorious for throwing the elbows. Mostly everyone gave him a pass for it because he went around smiling with his Disneyworld image. But now that image is gone from self-inflicted wounds.

Yeah...you're right. I did qualify that though with "as many"

Mike_LowELL: Don't explain to the Jordan fanboys that the '96 Bulls were a 65- to 66-win team that got the benefit of two expansion teams that further watered down the league and a shortened three-point line that turned Jordan and Pippen into All-NBA three-point shooters. And overnight, when the line was moved back out in during the '97-'98, season, the Chicago Bulls won seven fewer games than they did in '96-'97 and looked "old". It questions the myth that the '96 Bulls were unbeatable.

The best thing to happen to the Bulls in the 90s was a wreck on the Autobahn in '93.


/Drazen Petrovic RIP FTW
/farking shiat, that Croat could play!!