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2012-08-10 03:34:30 AM

TheJoe03: impaler: Why do the northern states have to be so racist?

I think he's comparing people in the southwest compared to northerners, think about it. People from the SW live in a culture that is very much influenced by Mexican culture. The original cowboys were vaqueros. I don't think he's talking about good ole boys from the southEAST.


Oh. Well then I apologize. That makes sense.
 
2012-08-10 03:48:54 AM

TheJoe03: Is Maricopa County just really white or something?


Off hand I'd say Maricopa is where old white farts go to die, could be wrong. People retire move to PHX and twenty years later they are dead and gone. The people putting down root are the Mexicans, the old boy network that runs the place doesn't like that one bit.
 
2012-08-10 03:52:22 AM

impaler: Oh. Well then I apologize. That makes sense.


No need. I grew up in a state (Tejas) that is in the middle of the southeast and southwest, but as it stands, California (mostly SoCal but also the Bay and Sac), New Mexico, south Texas, and west Texas (as well as DFW in the north) are pretty cool with Mexicans. That was my whole point and I am still fascinated with why Arizona bucked the southwestern trend of being cool with our Mexican brothers and neighbors. Going back to the post that started our discussion, the main difference Arizona seems to have with the other SW states is that it has a bunch of carpet bagging old people (no offense to northerners, but I am a Texan and that is what we call it). I (obviously) like sociology and anthropology, so don't take offense, I just find the politics in Arizona to be interesting on that level. Then again Florida also has carpet bagging old people but they seem more open minded than Arizona is.
 
2012-08-10 04:03:32 AM

festoon: Reince Priebus better watch out!

Oh, never mind. He's a white guy.


He sounds like a degenerative joint condition.
 
2012-08-10 04:34:32 AM
Hopefully the federal government will start enforcing immigration law before the states get out of hand with such laws.
 
2012-08-10 04:38:40 AM

impaler: poe_zlaw: and why do brown people continue to live there?

That's kind of the point.

There's a country in Europe that tried the similar tactics in the early 1930s. I won't name names, else I'll instantly be accused of hyperbole, and we can't point out warning signs until they fire up the ovens.

Which isn't to say this will lead to the later 1930s, or worse, the early 40s, but it would be nice if we could nip this shat in the bud.

If we only had a list of traits that could warn us????

[www.evolvefish.com image 308x600]


Nah, it's not hyperbole. Just a Godwin, and not apropos of nothing.
 
2012-08-10 04:53:17 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: This is bad bureaucracy mixed with prejudice. I wonder how many of these stories where a real illegal was involved and then deported that we don't hear about.

What was she originally arrested for?


The article sucks because it's written more for outrage than facts, but they're in there:

1981: Born in Arizona.
1994: Sent to live with her dad in Mexico as a teenager. He called her by a different name for who knows what reason. Mexican men are weird.
1999: Came back to the US, had problems at the border because she had her official name and her nickname and border patrol harassed her over it until her mom drove down with her birth certificate. Probably couldn't handle it because hey, she's only 18 and thought that as a dual citizen she wouldn't have those problems.
2012: Applies for a passport for her daughter. Told to go to the courthouse, where she's detained, questioned, and locked up. Officer Perjury tells the grand jury that she and her family forged everything and he has all the documentation that she's illegal. She goes to jail for months until the legal wheels exonerate her with the truth about the birth certificate; in the meantime losing her house and car to repo men.
2013: Officer Perjury is lynched. (We can only hope.)
 
2012-08-10 05:19:11 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: God, what a depressing story. I'm going to cheer myself up with a hot ASU cheerleader.

[i.cdn.turner.com image 298x423]

/Tempe native
//Sad about the utter ignorance that pervades my home state.


Careful, dude. She looks like she could have some sort of ethnicity going on there. Dark hair, dark eyes...
 
2012-08-10 05:24:56 AM

Enigmamf: I don't like you cheapening the memory of los desaparecidos and all the horrors that come from the violent oppression of political dissidence, by conflating that with prosecutorial misconduct



How the fark do you think people disappeared? Come the fark on, really. It didn't start happening overnight. It started exactly like this. It starts like this *everywhere.* All it takes is for the prosecutorial misconduct to become official conduct, which is a hop, skip, and jump over a line drawn in the sand that is vanishing as we speak.

Because of the authoritarianist boot lickers who give every excuse in the book.

"Oh it's not so bad as it was in Argentina"

As if what went on here was right, or even close to right. Officer Perjury, as Foxyshadis named him, would have never done this were it not for the unofficial endorsement he got over the years for his behavior. No, I don't believe this is his first by a long shot. How many has he sent to jail because of this setup? Ones languishing in a jail cell because they have nobody to speak for them? Disappeared by him and a prosecutor willing to abuse the system.

Feel free to hit the ignore button. Feel free.
 
2012-08-10 05:27:25 AM

LordJiro: Lunaville: pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...

I can't imagine what ever made any American think that locking people up; depriving citizens of their freedom for profit was a good idea. Are there really that many people in this country that long for a return to slavery? Or are we just a truly stupid nation?

Communist. If you don't think EVERYTHING should generate profit, you are EXACTLY LIKE STALIN.


That's not true: I hate musicals.
 
2012-08-10 07:00:45 AM
I stopped reading at "Arizona."

www.holocaustresearchproject.org
 
2012-08-10 07:58:20 AM

xen0blue: this woman clearly wasn't illegal. they should've done their homework.

however, I think the law is sound. if you're illegal, you should be deported. simple.

how this is paraded around as 'hate' is beyond dumb


This. She was the victim of crappy police work and unusual circumstances. I hope she gets a lot of money out of her lawsuit.
But to use her story as propaganda to try and repeal the law that she was wrongly accused of breaking, is ridiculous.
For analogy's sake: the Duke lacrosse team some number of years ago was falsely accused of rape and had their reputations destroyed by the media as a result. Therefore, rape should be legal.
 
2012-08-10 08:18:03 AM
OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.
 
2012-08-10 08:20:48 AM

luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


And you noticed this from Wisconsin?
 
2012-08-10 08:21:53 AM

Alonjar: OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.


So, you only read part of the article and made the rest up?
 
2012-08-10 08:29:06 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Alonjar: OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.

So, you only read part of the article and made the rest up?


The hell are you talking about? Its written clear as day. She was being held for a Class 4 felony or above, and her bail was denied because they didnt think she was a citizen. Article writer then completely glosses over this fact, and words it so everyone thinks she was only being held because they thought she was mexican. No, she was being held because she committed some other unrelated felony, which the article never even bothers to mention what felony she had committed. This leads me to believe that the sensationalist writer is bending the truth in their own agenda to attack the immigration law.

Which part did I get wrong?
 
2012-08-10 08:37:45 AM
Torres was released on August 3, after the MCAO was forced to dismiss the case.
I like how in these cases when the state farks up, they just say "Okay, we've decided not to charge you for that thing you didn't do. You can leave now." without so much as a 'sorry'. No, you just get a 'we don't want you in our prison anymore' instead of a "we are so farking sorry for wasting 4 months of your life and costing you massive amounts of money, how can we make this right?"
 
2012-08-10 08:44:06 AM

Alonjar: machodonkeywrestler: Alonjar: OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.

So, you only read part of the article and made the rest up?

The hell are you talking about? Its written clear as day. She was being held for a Class 4 felony or above, and her bail was denied because they didnt think she was a citizen. Article writer then completely glosses over this fact, and words it so everyone thinks she was only being held because they thought she was mexican. No, she was being held because she committed some other unrelated felony, which the article never even bothers to mention what felony she had committed. This leads me to believe that the sensationalist writer is bending the truth in their own agenda to attack the immigration law.

Which part did I get wrong?


Yeah, the article was poorly written, but the second page does a little bit to describe what she was in for. Mainly the "unrelated felony" she was accused of amounted to "being an illegal immigrant", so I wouldn't exactly call it unrelated.
 
2012-08-10 08:45:02 AM

Alonjar: No, she was being held because she committed some other unrelated felony, which the article never even bothers to mention what felony she had committed.


[citation needed]

RTFA. The felony was forgery. The Good Ol' Boy cop didn't think her documents were real and on that basis locked her up for 4 1/2 months and since she was Mexican, she was denied bail. So one cop in Az has the power to lock you away and deny bail based only on unproven allegations. Yes, I'm sure this is exactly what out Founding Fathers had in mind.
 
2012-08-10 08:52:46 AM

surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?


Environmental conservation.
 
2012-08-10 08:53:20 AM

Alonjar: Which part did I get wrong?


All of it. She was arrested for forgery because they didn't believe she was who she said she was. And why? Because she was Hispanic, and because they are bigoted assholes who lied and fabricated evidence.

So...yeah, all of it.
 
2012-08-10 08:54:26 AM
Attention, wingnut trolls:

***THIS*** IS AN EXAMPLE OF EVIL BIG GOVERNMENT.
 
2012-08-10 08:57:55 AM
To heck with a fence between the U.S. and Mexico. Put one around Arizona to keep all the stupidity from getting out. What a bunch of morons. I hope she sues their retarded asses off.
 
2012-08-10 08:59:16 AM

grumpyoldmann: To heck with a fence between the U.S. and Mexico. Put one around Arizona to keep all the stupidity from getting out. What a bunch of morons. I hope she sues their retarded asses off.


I'm sure there are a lot of good, smart, decent people living in Arizona. To them I say....GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN! DEAR LORD, ESCAPE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!
 
2012-08-10 08:59:34 AM

Alonjar: she committed some other unrelated felony


*sigh* No, she didn't. What part of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you goose-steppers understand?
 
2012-08-10 09:08:34 AM

bubo_sibiricus: Enigmamf: I don't like you cheapening the memory of los desaparecidos and all the horrors that come from the violent oppression of political dissidence, by conflating that with prosecutorial misconduct


How the fark do you think people disappeared? Come the fark on, really. It didn't start happening overnight. It started exactly like this. It starts like this *everywhere.* All it takes is for the prosecutorial misconduct to become official conduct, which is a hop, skip, and jump over a line drawn in the sand that is vanishing as we speak.

Because of the authoritarianist boot lickers who give every excuse in the book.

"Oh it's not so bad as it was in Argentina"

As if what went on here was right, or even close to right. Officer Perjury, as Foxyshadis named him, would have never done this were it not for the unofficial endorsement he got over the years for his behavior. No, I don't believe this is his first by a long shot. How many has he sent to jail because of this setup? Ones languishing in a jail cell because they have nobody to speak for them? Disappeared by him and a prosecutor willing to abuse the system.

Feel free to hit the ignore button. Feel free.


Due process delayed being due process denied is a sentiment I believe the Supreme Court has expressed, so it's true.

But neither was this woman disappeared. Disappeared means that they come and get someone, and when you ask the government, "What happened to Mark Markson?" officials respond with, "Who? And asking questions can get bad things to happen to you - just look at what happened to that Mark Markson guy." In this case, they would say, "Torres? Yeah - she's locked up in cell 428b in the Jail. Visiting days are every other Wednesday. Her lawyer, of course, can always request a visit."

What happened is outrageous, though, and officer perjury needs to sit in prison for quite some time. I'd say 4.5 years is reasonable so I want 10. The immigration law is subject to too much abuse and if they're serious about protecting people and only going after illegals, they have to make some examples of misbehaving officials. But they're not - they're just racist farkwads.
 
2012-08-10 09:13:30 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: Tom_Slick: I hope she can sue for false imprisonment and bankrupt that county.

I don't like the American trend of bringing lawyers to every interaction, but in this case--SUE, BABY, SUE!!!!

/take 'em all out.
//blithering idiots
///4.5 months and they didn't even look at her birth certificate? Sue 'em separately, then all together, then separately again, in case they've managed to scrounge up some scraps to eat.


Which proves that this is all Obama's fault because he's the food stamp president.
 
2012-08-10 09:16:11 AM
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2012-08-10 09:43:15 AM

surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?


Shared a cigarette with it then woke it in the morning with breakfast in bed.
 
2012-08-10 10:39:34 AM

Alonjar: machodonkeywrestler: Alonjar: OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.

So, you only read part of the article and made the rest up?

The hell are you talking about? Its written clear as day. She was being held for a Class 4 felony or above, and her bail was denied because they didnt think she was a citizen. Article writer then completely glosses over this fact, and words it so everyone thinks she was only being held because they thought she was mexican. No, she was being held because she committed some other unrelated felony, which the article never even bothers to mention what felony she had committed. This leads me to believe that the sensationalist writer is bending the truth in their own agenda to attack the immigration law.

Which part did I get wrong?


So you have made yourself look like a fool and then ran off, let me guess a Romney supporter.
 
2012-08-10 10:47:40 AM
Note to self: Don't move to Mexico and change your name.
 
2012-08-10 11:32:09 AM
hijos de sus puta madres. a la chingada a esos cabrones..
 
2012-08-10 11:50:12 AM

vinniethepoo: surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?

Shared a cigarette with it then woke it in the morning with breakfast in bed.


Yeah, I think the Nazis have a legitimate claim at this point, having built a giant base up there. That gives them claim over the dark side at the least, if not the whole moon.
 
2012-08-10 11:59:28 AM

Pattuq: At what point did it become ok for a gigantic country created by immigrants to decide that it was full, and didn't want any more people? Any excuses the US government uses to defend its closed-door policies (such as the economy or lack of jobs) are just politically-correct disguises for nationalistic and often racist policies.


If you look at our history, this is, sadly, common, going back 150 years or more.
Omg, it's the Chinese/Irish/Germans/Italians/Catholics/Africans screwing up our proud heritage....
 
2012-08-10 12:07:59 PM

JWideman: I'd really like to know why she was in Mexico with her father, and why he told people she was Brenda Gomez. It sounds like that's what's cast her citizenship in doubt, not simply an overzealous cop that keeps trying to deport people for having Mexican names.


Why she was in Mexico,and anything her father said, are irrelevant beyond initial suspicion. They certainly don't excuse perjury by the cop, which is a tad beyond 'overzealous'...it's not like there aren't REAL illegals for him to spend time on.
 
2012-08-10 12:22:19 PM

Alonjar: OH FOR farkS SAKE! The biatch was in jail because shiat committed a serious felony, not because of her name. FTFA:

One of these grotesque laws enacted by referendum was Proposition 100, an amendment to the state constitution denying bail to those presumed to be in the country illegally, who have committed a "serious felony offense," defined by the Legislature as a Class 4 felony or above.

Bail is not a right. It is given to people who demonstrate they are not a flight risk, which she failed to do. She was being held for her FELONY COURT DATE, they did not send her off to an interment camp. This bullshiat article doesnt even mention the crime she did, only cited the law holding her. Why would they not mention the crime she was being held for?

Bullshiat article full of agenda is bullshiat.


You DO know that holding people without bail is an old Stalinist trick, right?

Hey, she wasn't harmed...she just lost four months, and her job, her house, and her car...

There's a reason the Founding Fathers...those liberal do-gooders...mention
excessive bail' in the 8th Amendment.
 
2012-08-10 12:25:58 PM
What would you have us do with the illegals then, Fark? There's a good reason they're called illegals. Or would you rather we just let them go on living all undocumented, living a tax-free existence unlike you and bring a couple of their criminal activities from back home along the way?

If they wanna come here they ought to do it the LEGAL way. Get a Green Card, Visa, or anything else they need to get here by legal means. If they can't, whelp that's THEIR problem not YOURS so quit trying to fix it for them, assholes.
 
2012-08-10 01:25:25 PM

CrappityCrap: What would you have us do with the illegals then, Fark? There's a good reason they're called illegals. Or would you rather we just let them go on living all undocumented, living a tax-free existence unlike you and bring a couple of their criminal activities from back home along the way?

If they wanna come here they ought to do it the LEGAL way. Get a Green Card, Visa, or anything else they need to get here by legal means. If they can't, whelp that's THEIR problem not YOURS so quit trying to fix it for them, assholes.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-10 01:45:54 PM

CrappityCrap: What would you have us do with the illegals then, Fark? There's a good reason they're called illegals. Or would you rather we just let them go on living all undocumented, living a tax-free existence unlike you and bring a couple of their criminal activities from back home along the way?

If they wanna come here they ought to do it the LEGAL way. Get a Green Card, Visa, or anything else they need to get here by legal means. If they can't, whelp that's THEIR problem not YOURS so quit trying to fix it for them, assholes.


For the last century, US farmers and anyone else in need of cheap seasonal laborers have been helping Mexicans cross the border to work. When immigration became regulated, they kept doing it without following the law. And despite all the rhetoric about Mexicans "taking our jobs", they are still doing it. And you know what? Why should any American care? This cheap labor keeps the cost of certain things low, and they do necessary jobs that no American wants to do for any amount of money. They do, in fact, pay taxes, as well as spend their money locally.
What it really comes down to is not that they are unfairly benefiting from all that the USA has to offer its citizens. Nobody is complaining about all the illegal immigrants from central Europe who don't come here for jobs and are here all year round. What it is really about, is racism.
 
2012-08-10 01:52:51 PM
See, Torres was sent to live in Mexico when she was 13, where her father referred to her by the name Brenda and apparently registered her under the name Brenda Gomez.

I'm not going to read through 6 pages, but this was the whole reason she was arrested. The woman's obviously innocent at this point, but why the fark someone would do this? It's incredibly shady.
 
2012-08-10 02:04:43 PM

Need_MindBleach: See, Torres was sent to live in Mexico when she was 13, where her father referred to her by the name Brenda and apparently registered her under the name Brenda Gomez.

I'm not going to read through 6 pages, but this was the whole reason she was arrested. The woman's obviously innocent at this point, but why the fark someone would do this? It's incredibly shady.


I didn't read all 6 pages either, but on the first page its says that she submitted her legal birth certificate when her daughter applied for a passport, and then the Detective Chris Oberly of the Arizona Department of Transportation's Office of the Inspector General, perjured himself before a grand jury by falsely testifying that "In 1999, Vital Records discovered that Torres' birth certificate, in his words, had been 'falsely created' by Torres' mother and so the department 'canceled it'." THAT sounds fishy. Why aren't you calling for the perjurer to face charges and be held without bail?
 
2012-08-10 02:26:16 PM

PunGent: Omg, it's the Chinese/Irish/Germans/Italians/Catholics/Africans screwing up our proud heritage....


Ayaup.....
(NSFW Language)
 
2012-08-10 02:38:52 PM

bubo_sibiricus: How the fark do you think people disappeared? Come the fark on, really. It didn't start happening overnight. It started exactly like this. It starts like this *everywhere.* All it takes is for the prosecutorial misconduct to become official conduct, which is a hop, skip, and jump over a line drawn in the sand that is vanishing as we speak.

Because of the authoritarianist boot lickers who give every excuse in the book.

"Oh it's not so bad as it was in Argentina"

As if what went on here was right, or even close to right. Officer Perjury, as Foxyshadis named him, would have never done this were it not for the unofficial endorsement he got over the years for his behavior. No, I don't believe this is his first by a long shot. How many has he sent to jail because of this setup? Ones languishing in a jail cell because they have nobody to speak for them? Disappeared by him and a prosecutor willing to abuse the system.

Feel free to hit the ignore button. Feel free.


You obviously feel very strongly about this, as well you should - it is a great injustice that I hope is righted.

But the constitutional Right of Habeas Corpus is the line in the sand that blocks your slippery slope argument. She was not disappeared or anything close to it.
 
2012-08-10 02:47:57 PM
What is an "illegal-sounding" name? Is it now illegal to have an Hispanic-sounding name?
 
2012-08-10 04:43:27 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I don't like the American trend of bringing lawyers to every interaction, but in this case--SUE, BABY, SUE!!!!


I would like to see lawsuits replaced with criminal prosecutions. In this case against Oberly and possibly against the prosecutor who didn't bother to look at the evidence. Of course, we would first have to do away with prosecutorial immunity.
 
2012-08-10 05:02:05 PM

Enigmamf: bubo_sibiricus: How the fark do you think people disappeared? Come the fark on, really. It didn't start happening overnight. It started exactly like this. It starts like this *everywhere.* All it takes is for the prosecutorial misconduct to become official conduct, which is a hop, skip, and jump over a line drawn in the sand that is vanishing as we speak.

Because of the authoritarianist boot lickers who give every excuse in the book.

"Oh it's not so bad as it was in Argentina"

As if what went on here was right, or even close to right. Officer Perjury, as Foxyshadis named him, would have never done this were it not for the unofficial endorsement he got over the years for his behavior. No, I don't believe this is his first by a long shot. How many has he sent to jail because of this setup? Ones languishing in a jail cell because they have nobody to speak for them? Disappeared by him and a prosecutor willing to abuse the system.

Feel free to hit the ignore button. Feel free.

You obviously feel very strongly about this, as well you should - it is a great injustice that I hope is righted.

But the constitutional Right of Habeas Corpus is the line in the sand that blocks your slippery slope argument. She was not disappeared or anything close to it.


You know, under the Detainee Treatment Act, judges aren't allowed to hear habeus motions, right? So, doesn't matter if yer a citizen, if they classify you as an illegal. For instance, by flat-out lying about it.
 
2012-08-10 05:09:29 PM
media.jinni.com
Do you have a flag?

/Too lazy to see if anyone posted this already
 
2012-08-10 08:22:27 PM

Enigmamf: But the constitutional Right of Habeas Corpus is the line in the sand that blocks your slippery slope argument. She was not disappeared or anything close to it.


Habeas Corpus has been systematically under attack since 2001. Suspending it for "enemy combatants" was one of the first things Bush did by executive order in November 2001. And he did it again in 2006. And right up through the NDAA in 2011 and beyond, Habeas Corpus is a "sort of right" to be revoked at the whim of the executive branch. While Obama made his signing statement on the NDAA, that statement is non binding and does not affect his successor.

I think that Glenn Greenwald has a shrill writing style, even more-so than mine, but I have to agree with him sometimes about this crap. It disgusts me.
 
2012-08-10 11:08:26 PM
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2012-08-11 12:22:49 AM

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In claiming a felony to have been committed, Alonjar engaged in libel.
 
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