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2012-08-10 12:44:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I'd be so screwed if I was in Arizona right now.

My middle name on my driver's license is not the same as the one on my birth certificate (the California DMV somehow gotten the idea I spell my middle name with an "e" on the end, although I never have). And my last name was legally changed when I was five. My license doesn't match my birth certificate at all!

Good thing I'll never go to that misbegotten state.


You're still farked down the road.

/good luck, we're all counting on you
 
2012-08-10 12:45:13 AM  

kapaso:

I'm in Tucson, maricopa county is an island into itself. I did live in Phoenix for two years, that was as long as I could stand. It really wasn't that bad at the time, but it has almost nothing but cookie cutter homes and corporate business, I swear it's like they took the same block and copied it a million times over.


Tucson

is an island until itself. Maricopa County is just like the rest of the state (Tucson excluded).

Nowadays when I tell people I'm from Tucson, AZ, I make sure to mention that "Tucson is to Arizona what Austin is to Texas." I don't people to think that everyone in Arizona is a gun-totin', right-wing, racist Teahadist.

\I miss Tucson
\\Especially the food
\\\How are the monsoons this year?
 
2012-08-10 12:46:24 AM  

kapaso: luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.

So then start jailing the employers like we do everybody else and the problem will go away.


Cool, my fav right now.

hateandanger.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-10 12:50:18 AM  

relcec: pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...

cops set up innocent victims and file false charges all the f*cking time and have been doing it since the beginning of society I'm sure.
this cop didn't do it for a kickback from the Omni Consumer Products. he didn't do it because his cousin is a guard at the county lockup and he wanted to get him an extra shift.
he did it because he is an antisocial abusive f*ck who gets a kick out of smashing people he can.

the authoritarian nature of this country or marijuana possession or unpaid traffic tickets being a jailable offense has anything to do with private prisons.
christ, I had a marshal come to my house when I was 21 and pick me up for unpaid parking tickets. it wasn't the private prison that they didn't take me to that was making the money, it was the sweet liberal city I lived. christ, you hear something that sounds half way plausible and maybe has a little truth to it but you get so damn excited you grab it in your teeth and then run off full speed head first into a wall. the cops are the f*cking ones that are arresting people.


Should have paid your farking tickets. Or better yet, you should have obeyed the the traffic laws and not gotten any tickets!
 
2012-08-10 12:50:27 AM  
Sounds like its time to Nationalize the Arizona Territory again.


Terrifying thing is the TSA doesn't make these "mistakes"... we should put them at the border!
 
2012-08-10 12:54:07 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: No, no it isn't. This is *exactly* what a lot of us predicted. And oh, look, it actually happened. The fact is that in AR and GA you can be pulled off the street and disappeared because of what you look like.


It is a miscarriage of justice, but it's far from "disappeared" in the sense that it is traditionally used in countries like Argentina - extrajudicial kidnappings, murder with no due process, and disposal of the remains with no official record public or private.

Due process failed miserably, but it was rendered.
 
2012-08-10 12:54:12 AM  

luktti: Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


Sheriff Joe is an attention whore at best and a thug at worst. He can EABODs. His crime suppression sweeps are mostly for show and do little to attack the root of the problem, which are employers who hire illegal immigrants.

If the feds started treating companies who hire massive numbers of illegal immigrants like the organized crime syndicates they are, slapping them with RICO charges and seizing assets, then you might see a decline. But we haven't had an administration since Eisenhower who would enforce such a policy. So the issue goes unchecked.
 
2012-08-10 12:54:54 AM  

FizixJunkee: I make sure to mention that "Tucson is to Arizona what Austin is to Texas


At least Texas has Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and El Paso. How PHX is so conservative astounds me. I was shocked when I found out Arapio represented the county Phoenix was in. Dallas County has (had?) a Latina lesbian sheriff FFS!
 
2012-08-10 12:59:05 AM  

JWideman: I'd really like to know why she was in Mexico with her father, and why he told people she was Brenda Gomez. It sounds like that's what's cast her citizenship in doubt, not simply an overzealous cop that keeps trying to deport people for having Mexican names.


My guess? Her father was a dick and wanted her named Brenda, and of course doesn't want to admit she's his illegitimate daughter.

/Knew a kid in grade school named John Davis Jr., lived with his dad.
//His mother was a psycho-biatch who tried to get the program for one of the school plays to read Wallace (his middle name) Shott (her last name).
 
2012-08-10 01:01:14 AM  

Mock26: Should have paid your farking tickets. Or better yet, you should have obeyed the the traffic laws and not gotten any tickets!


In my city, they can impound your vehicle if you have 3 or more overly delinquent tickets. I think it should be more, since I've gotten 2 tickets (1 legit, 1 "they didn't bother to look for my residential parking pass that made it legit") that weren't on my car when I got back to it. And it was registered to my parent's address, so I didn't know about both of 'em until I got a "WTF YOU OWE THE CITY $60" call from my Mom.

If they made it even 5 I'd understand. And impounding the vehicle til you pay it off with a certain reasonable fee per day storage is fair - too many rich douchebags in this town for 4 years would just park wherever the f--k they felt like otherwise, as long as it wasn't in front of a hydrant*.

Arrest is a stupid, stupid waste of resources though.

* A friend's roommate did get a tow and $150 ticket for parking in front of a hydrant. "It was just 5 minutes!". Yeah, my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head since he had just mentioned he had driven into downtown because he was late for class.
 
2012-08-10 01:02:58 AM  

Enigmamf: Due process failed miserably, but it was rendered.


Due process delayed is due process denied.

>Saying that being disappeared can't happen here

What the fark would you call what happened to her? The state basically said that valid exculpatory evidence does not get you out of jail until the prosecutor was forced to admit being a fraud. If she did not have anyone who would speak up for her (and there are many in this country who do not have that luxury) she would still be in jail.

fark you, you farking boot licker.
 
2012-08-10 01:05:58 AM  

TheJoe03: How PHX is so conservative astounds me.


Old people white people. The Phoenix metro area is surrounded by retirement communities such as Sun City, Anthem, Sun Lakes / Ocotillo, and so on. They all still have a hard-on for the 1950s and do their best to vote in people who will keep the area like it was.

Then you have the Mormons in the east valley (mostly Mesa, but also in Gilbert and Chandler). Jeff Flake who is running for the Senate is a Mormon, as are many politicians that represent the area. They're not as bad as the lunatics that control SLC with an iron fist, but they do help the county lean right.
 
2012-08-10 01:07:06 AM  

Dinjiin: Old people white people.


FTFM


/so many people, time to invite the Soylent Corporation to town
 
2012-08-10 01:10:09 AM  

Dinjiin: Old people white people.


It's still a very large city. I understand the reasons you listed but it still seems like the only major city that is Republican. I don't even think SLC votes Republican.
 
2012-08-10 01:13:39 AM  

prjindigo: Sounds like its time to Nationalize the Arizona Territory again.


Terrifying thing is the TSA doesn't make these "mistakes"... we should put them at the border!


They're already there taking the good jobs.
 
2012-08-10 01:14:01 AM  
This is why thinking instead of KNOWING is what's farking up Arizona. God knows how many legal immigrants and born US citizens have been deported to buttfark nowhere.
 
2012-08-10 01:16:55 AM  
At what point did it become ok for a gigantic country created by immigrants to decide that it was full, and didn't want any more people? Any excuses the US government uses to defend its closed-door policies (such as the economy or lack of jobs) are just politically-correct disguises for nationalistic and often racist policies.
 
2012-08-10 01:18:41 AM  
I hope she banks it big time.
 
2012-08-10 01:21:24 AM  

Dinjiin: Nadie_AZ: See that map? Yeah, the one of the Mexican American war? The one America started in the 1840s? See that spot where I live? Where the Gila river is? Yeah, that's Phoenix. Guess what country that was in the middle of? Mexico. Mexico owned that land for 20 years. Before that? Spain. For hundreds of years. Spanish owned, bred and settled.

And when the United States annexed that land from Mexico, there were only around 80,000 non-Indian citizens residing there. That's half the population of Tempe spread over 500,000+ square miles. So sure, Mexico may have had territorial claims on the land. But it was mostly uninhabited. And after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed, the vast majority of Mexican nationals living in the area renounced their Mexican citizenship and stayed to become US citizens.


But that's all moot. One of the benefits of defeating an enemy is that you get to enjoy the spoils of the war. So once the US purchased the land at gunpoint, they were the ones who could dictate the rules. And the rules today say that you have to abide by US immigration law. If the Mexican people have a problem with that, they are free to request that their government declare war against the US and forcibly reclaim the land for themselves. Until that happens, they can all drink a frosty mug of STFU.


Read that underlined sentence you wrote then read the fark headline and the linked article the headline refers to.

You see the problem yet?

The name has nothing to do with legal status, the skin color has nothing to do with legal status nor does anything else except the legal status itself!

If Arizona wishes to concern itself with illegal immigrants, it's best for them to be able to tell the difference between the descendants of those that has lived on the land since the treaty and the illegal immigrants themselves - besides, this entire problem would be most easily enforced by fining the businesses that hires illegal immigrants, which is already required by law to have documentation for taxation purposes!

In essence, the solution is already there - it is simply not being enforced. If you want to be mad at anyone for causing issues about illegal immigration, look to the people that are not enforcing the law through simpler and more effective means, not mass harassment for anyone that is not the right name or skin color.

If you're still in the dark about what effective solution I am referring to, It is simply auditing the businesses and making it very expensive for anyone to have 'unseen hands' working for them.
 
2012-08-10 01:26:29 AM  

grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!


And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?
 
2012-08-10 01:27:01 AM  

TheJoe03: I understand the reasons you listed but it still seems like the only major city that is Republican.


The Phoenix metro is one giant suburb and tends to attract the sort of people who enjoy that sort of community. So while the City of Phoenix leans a bit to the left, most of the surrounding cities are filled with white flight from California, Washington, Illinois and the like, who all tend to be center-right. Mix in the Mormons, silver hairs and some Teabaggers and you get a county that consistently leans right.

This is in stark contrast to Tucson and Flagstaff that both lean to the left. But then both are university towns with a bit of an artist culture, not unlike Santa Fe.
 
2012-08-10 01:27:52 AM  

CrispFlows: Dinjiin: Nadie_AZ: See that map? Yeah, the one of the Mexican American war? The one America started in the 1840s? See that spot where I live? Where the Gila river is? Yeah, that's Phoenix. Guess what country that was in the middle of? Mexico. Mexico owned that land for 20 years. Before that? Spain. For hundreds of years. Spanish owned, bred and settled.

And when the United States annexed that land from Mexico, there were only around 80,000 non-Indian citizens residing there. That's half the population of Tempe spread over 500,000+ square miles. So sure, Mexico may have had territorial claims on the land. But it was mostly uninhabited. And after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed, the vast majority of Mexican nationals living in the area renounced their Mexican citizenship and stayed to become US citizens.


But that's all moot. One of the benefits of defeating an enemy is that you get to enjoy the spoils of the war. So once the US purchased the land at gunpoint, they were the ones who could dictate the rules. And the rules today say that you have to abide by US immigration law. If the Mexican people have a problem with that, they are free to request that their government declare war against the US and forcibly reclaim the land for themselves. Until that happens, they can all drink a frosty mug of STFU.

Read that underlined sentence you wrote then read the fark headline and the linked article the headline refers to.

You see the problem yet?

The name has nothing to do with legal status, the skin color has nothing to do with legal status nor does anything else except the legal status itself!

If Arizona wishes to concern itself with illegal immigrants, it's best for them to be able to tell the difference between the descendants of those that has lived on the land since the treaty and the illegal immigrants themselves - besides, this entire problem would be most easily enforced by fining the businesses that hires illegal immigrants, which is already r ...


hateandanger.files.wordpress.com

/de nada
 
2012-08-10 01:28:57 AM  
I encounter a few problems by having a hyphenated last name (which I know Fark tends to frown upon) -- I try to do as much as possible with my legal, hyphenated name, but some things unavoidably get one or the other (I had a job years ago where the manager didn't feel like filling out my full last name and just chose one for the paperwork. Fortunately, I got a new manager within a few weeks, but I was already in the system with just one surname). But then, I'm Scandahoovian white, so I'm safe to travel in Arizona.

/Seriously, though, this story is outrageous. She should sue and bring as much attention to this issue as she can. This isn't guaranteeing the freedom of American citizens; it's infringing upon it.
 
2012-08-10 01:29:20 AM  

CrispFlows: wharrgarbl


Read my other responses, sport, and get back to me.
 
2012-08-10 01:33:33 AM  

surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?


I wonder with the lack of upkeep, what would international salvage laws say? What if one comes across a vessel that has clearly been abandoned for 40 years? Now, lets say some other country manages to have an actual colony established by 20 years? Can they claim the materials left behind, since then it would be 60 years of abandonment?
 
2012-08-10 01:34:55 AM  

pippi longstocking: monopsonies


Thought that was a typo until I searched it. I learned a new word today. Thanks!
 
2012-08-10 01:35:10 AM  

CrispFlows: surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?

I wonder with the lack of upkeep, what would international salvage laws say? What if one comes across a vessel that has clearly been abandoned for 40 years? Now, lets say some other country manages to have an actual colony established by 20 years? Can they claim the materials left behind, since then it would be 60 years of abandonment?


Art?
 
2012-08-10 01:38:18 AM  

Dinjiin: Read my other responses, sport, and get back to me.


So we do agree on the solution - However, I wonder - why did you mention Mexicans griping about the enforcement when the person mentioned in the article is clearly not a Mexican?
 
2012-08-10 01:46:11 AM  

CrispFlows: surfren: grunthos: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/flag/flag.htm

I call bullsh*t!!! We got there first, planted our flag, even left a car parked!!! It is OURS!!!!

OURS!

And what have you done with it since sticking flags into it?

I wonder with the lack of upkeep, what would international salvage laws say? What if one comes across a vessel that has clearly been abandoned for 40 years? Now, lets say some other country manages to have an actual colony established by 20 years? Can they claim the materials left behind, since then it would be 60 years of abandonment?


I'm too lazy to remind myself of the specifics of the laws and conventions regarding space salvage by looking them up again, but IIRC the Apollo landing sites are fair game to anyone who lands there and wants to snip bits off to - say - flog on eBay. The Smithsonian ostensibly has dibs on all NASA stuff, so they'd likely take umbrage and write a very stern note to the would-be entrepreneur (especially if said entrepreneur were not from the USA), or get all snarky and official on anyone who was from the USA and try to take it off them.

In a nutshell, as the items have been abandoned in place on territory that is not the USA (existing international treaties agree the moon can't be owned by anyone), they are fair game.

Either way only dicks would willingly interfere with historical sites such as the Apollo landing sites, but given the nature of the individuals in TFA this thread is attached to, there appears to be an ample sufficiency of dicks, so I'd suggest it's only a matter of time.
 
2012-08-10 01:46:51 AM  

sendtodave: theMightyRegeya: Remember, folks, you're not doing your descendants any favors with this racist nonsense. Your grandkids will not be the white majority.

But, really, isn't that why they're being such dicks about it? Fear of losing their place in the social hierarchy? Fear of a future where white Christian males don't run the show?

I mean, we have already have a black muslim president! Can you blame them for being scared?


I honestly don't get it. My family resembles the Weasley family, but I don't fear a future where white people are a minority. I probably get more shiat about being a redhead from fellow white people than anyone else (though arguably, where I live is mostly white, so that's a given ;-)
 
2012-08-10 01:55:38 AM  

FizixJunkee: kapaso:

I'm in Tucson, maricopa county is an island into itself. I did live in Phoenix for two years, that was as long as I could stand. It really wasn't that bad at the time, but it has almost nothing but cookie cutter homes and corporate business, I swear it's like they took the same block and copied it a million times over.


Tucson is an island until itself. Maricopa County is just like the rest of the state (Tucson excluded).

Nowadays when I tell people I'm from Tucson, AZ, I make sure to mention that "Tucson is to Arizona what Austin is to Texas." I don't people to think that everyone in Arizona is a gun-totin', right-wing, racist Teahadist.

\I miss Tucson
\\Especially the food
\\\How are the monsoons this year?


The rains started early thIs year and have been a bit heavier then usual I believe. Tucson Is pretty good, I live just off 4th ave now close to the univeristy. I still believe maricopa gives AZ it's bad name though, flagstaff, Jerome, And bisbee are at least as liberal as tucson. Prescott and the verde valley lean right but not extreme, well maybe Prescott is little on the extreme side. All the rural ranching areas are pretty far right. I guess it just depends on how you look at it. Typed on a mobile so excuse the funky caps.
 
2012-08-10 01:59:11 AM  

CrispFlows: why did you mention Mexicans griping about the enforcement when the person mentioned in the article is clearly not a Mexican?


Because the person I was replying to appeared to be pulling the "Latinos were here first" card. It is an argument that occasionally comes up in the immigration debate here in the southwest and it is one that I believe holds no merit. If you start going down that road, then you better bring up that the Chiricahua, Navaho, Papago, Pima, Maricopa, Tonto, Yavapai and Yuma peoples were here first.
 
2012-08-10 01:59:55 AM  

Dinjiin: The Phoenix metro is one giant suburb and tends to attract the sort of people who enjoy that sort of community.


So is every big city in Texas, but a guy like Arapio (a racist) would have little support in places like Dallas or Harris County (Dallas and Houston metro are comparable to Phoenix metro). Is Maricopa County just really white or something?
 
2012-08-10 02:01:36 AM  

relcec: Queensowntalia: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

According to a Princeton researcher, "We are not being flooded with illegal Mexican migrants. The total number of migrants from Mexico has varied very little since the 1950s.The massive influx many have written about never happened." Among other myths being propagated by the rabidly anti-immigrant set.

that's complete bullshiat. and you are basically brain dead if you can't tell it is bullshiat. seriously. brain dead. no ability to even correctly judge whether it is raining or someone is pissing on your face.

we haven't had this high immigration levels since the 1920s. the 1950s when everyone had a nice job that paid well? yeah, that had something to do with the lowest immigration in 80 years either side of it. more people, more competition for jobs, lower wages. that's why the u.s. chamber of commerce is rabidly pro immigration. the democrats don't give a f*ck because they are concerned with power, not decent jobs for americans.
when did the middle class start to stagnate? 1970, right when the flood gates were opened because the democrats were interested in bringing in poor people to become the next generations democrats. the 165 immigration bill completely revamped the u.s. immigration policies and since then we have been the largest importer of foreign workers in world history.

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Oh LOOK! I have same BS Graphs From BS Studies that were paid for by BS Special interests groups.

SHUT THE fark UP!!!
 
2012-08-10 02:02:37 AM  

Tom_Slick: I hope she can sue for false imprisonment and bankrupt that county.


the penalty should be set nationwide. 100k for each month of false imprisonment. tax free.
TADA
problem solved

or the county can lock up the people involved for 10x the time that the person was falsely imprisoned.
the people involved would include: the arresting officer and the DA. I would like to include the judge who refused to set bail, but sigh ...
 
2012-08-10 02:03:48 AM  

Dinjiin: If you start going down that road, then you better bring up that the Chiricahua, Navaho, Papago, Pima, Maricopa, Tonto, Yavapai and Yuma peoples were here first.


I think it's important to point out that Mexicans generally have a Native American heritage, especially compared to the rest of North America and many places in Latin America.
 
2012-08-10 02:07:20 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: grunthos: Uh.....Americans DID colonize the f*cking moon. Ok, with only a few guys, who all came back, but we left our flag and other shiat there, so that means it's ours.

"The moon belongs to America."


Possession is ownership. dont think for a second that china wont lay claim to areas of the moon if when they land there.
Which isnt completely unreasonable at some level. You want to build a base, a colony, process ore and what not.
You spend a ton of time prospecting to find resources and then some douchebag shows up after you invested the time and resources and just takes it from you?? Yah, that is WHY you make claims in the first place.
 
2012-08-10 02:17:23 AM  

FuturePastNow: No Such Agency: Well... I'm guessing she'll be able to buy a new house and car once this is all settled.

Maricopa County sounds like it needs to have G-Men descend on it like locusts and arrest everyone above the rank of assistant dogcatcher. Sheriff whatshisname himself is probably a felon a hundred times over by now. Christ, for all we know he's having people murdered and buried in the desert.

The problem is that even if everyone in the Maricopa County government and sheriff's department were to be thrown into the sun, the racist old white people from the Northern States who live there would just elect replacements who are exactly as bad.

 
2012-08-10 02:20:24 AM  

poe_zlaw: and why do brown people continue to live there?


That's kind of the point.

There's a country in Europe that tried the similar tactics in the early 1930s. I won't name names, else I'll instantly be accused of hyperbole, and we can't point out warning signs until they fire up the ovens.

Which isn't to say this will lead to the later 1930s, or worse, the early 40s, but it would be nice if we could nip this shat in the bud.

If we only had a list of traits that could warn us????

www.evolvefish.com
 
2012-08-10 02:22:01 AM  

kapaso: FizixJunkee: kapaso:

I'm in Tucson, maricopa county is an island into itself. I did live in Phoenix for two years, that was as long as I could stand. It really wasn't that bad at the time, but it has almost nothing but cookie cutter homes and corporate business, I swear it's like they took the same block and copied it a million times over.


Tucson is an island until itself. Maricopa County is just like the rest of the state (Tucson excluded).

Nowadays when I tell people I'm from Tucson, AZ, I make sure to mention that "Tucson is to Arizona what Austin is to Texas." I don't people to think that everyone in Arizona is a gun-totin', right-wing, racist Teahadist.

\I miss Tucson
\\Especially the food
\\\How are the monsoons this year?

The rains started early thIs year and have been a bit heavier then usual I believe. Tucson Is pretty good, I live just off 4th ave now close to the univeristy.



Yeah, I lived in that general vicinity, too. It's a great area. I also lived in Sam Hughes, on the other side of campus. It's great, too, but relatively pricey compared to other areas around the university.

My favorite joints in Tucson:

El Charro and Mi Nidito (plus another dozen Mexican food joints), Bison Witches, Brooklyn Pizza (I just love their garlic knots), Greasy Tony's, Sauce, Miss Saigon, Frog & Firkin (beer + green fries = sheer joy), The Cup @ Hotel Congress, Gavi's, several sushi joints ...

G-d, I miss that place ...
 
2012-08-10 02:27:51 AM  

Linkster: The problem is that even if everyone in the Maricopa County government and sheriff's department were to be thrown into the sun, the racist old white people from the Northern States who live there would just elect replacements who are exactly as bad.


Why do the northern states have to be so racist? Just like how democrats were the ones against civil rights? Am I right?

Wait, nope. I'm wrong...

By party
The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66-34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82-18%)

By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)]
 
2012-08-10 02:32:54 AM  

impaler: Linkster: The problem is that even if everyone in the Maricopa County government and sheriff's department were to be thrown into the sun, the racist old white people from the Northern States who live there would just elect replacements who are exactly as bad.

Why do the northern states have to be so racist? Just like how democrats were the ones against civil rights? Am I right?

Wait, nope. I'm wrong...

By party
The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66-34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82-18%)

By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)]


It's all north of here, now ain't it?
 
2012-08-10 02:33:30 AM  

impaler: Why do the northern states have to be so racist?


I think he's comparing people in the southwest compared to northerners, think about it. People from the SW live in a culture that is very much influenced by Mexican culture. The original cowboys were vaqueros. I don't think he's talking about good ole boys from the southEAST.
 
2012-08-10 02:36:14 AM  
Compare it to how the 3rd coast is more open to Creoles and the French, and Florida is more open to Cubans, Jamaicans, and Haitians.
 
2012-08-10 02:39:11 AM  
...and of course Peurto Ricans.
 
2012-08-10 03:03:08 AM  

TheJoe03: ...and of course Peurto Ricans.


you mean (Hateful) Ricans??
 
2012-08-10 03:09:08 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: Enigmamf: Due process failed miserably, but it was rendered.

Due process delayed is due process denied.

>Saying that being disappeared can't happen here

What the fark would you call what happened to her? The state basically said that valid exculpatory evidence does not get you out of jail until the prosecutor was forced to admit being a fraud. If she did not have anyone who would speak up for her (and there are many in this country who do not have that luxury) she would still be in jail.

fark you, you farking boot licker.


Well there you go, jumping to conclusions that make no sense.

I don't like you cheapening the memory of los desaparecidos and all the horrors that come from the violent oppression of political dissidence, by conflating that with prosecutorial misconduct.

Therefore I think this is all A-O-K?

Can you even hear the faintest whisper of logic over the WHARRGARBL in your head?
 
2012-08-10 03:13:39 AM  

luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


It's easy enough to solve. Sign a few treaties. Form a North American or better yet a Pan-American treaty permitting citizens of any member country to live and work in any other member country without legal restrictions or the need for a visa.

Hey presto, most of the problem is solved. As for the conservatives who fear foreign competition for jobs, they're clearly not bootstrappy enough and by their own policies deserve to fail.
 
2012-08-10 03:23:57 AM  

TheJoe03: think it's important to point out that Mexicans generally have a Native American heritage, especially compared to the rest of North America and many places in Latin America.


It would be interesting to know what the demographic breakdown was in the southwest at the time of annexation. You had many Castizos and Españoles who owned land and acted as missionaries (since they had the most influence and money), but I wonder how many Mestizos, Cholos and African descendants were working as laborers.
 
2012-08-10 03:34:28 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: TheJoe03: ...and of course Peurto Ricans.

you mean (Hateful) Ricans??


Ha, I knew I got the spelling wrong.
 
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