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2012-08-09 09:51:17 PM  

BigLuca: What? This hasn't been posted yet? for shame...
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That was the first thing I thought of.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:32 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


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The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:53 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


You mean when free trade agreements and the drug war devastated their economy? Conservatives love to blame everyone for the problems they cause. A bunch of scared whiny crybabies.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:56 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


Give me a break I lived in the Sonoran desert for 12 years. They have been crossing the border in droves for as long as I can remember. They came, they worked and eventually became citizens if they were decent and worked hard. The fact you think it just started recently means you don't know shiat.
 
2012-08-09 09:53:35 PM  
Wouldn't it be fittingly ironic if we gave Arizona back to Mexico?
 
2012-08-09 09:53:47 PM  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp31UoJNwg4
But I assume that no lawsuits will directly affect any of the officers involved, unfortunately.

Wasn't Joe being investigated for this kind of shiat?

luktti: Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

It's always the fault of "The Other" and, of course, never one's own dickwad tendencies.
 
2012-08-09 09:54:45 PM  

kapaso: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

Give me a break I lived in the Sonoran desert for 12 years. They have been crossing the border in droves for as long as I can remember. They came, they worked and eventually became citizens if they were decent and worked hard. The fact you think it just started recently means you don't know shiat.


Or that you got trolled...either are likely
 
2012-08-09 09:55:42 PM  

pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.


Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.
 
2012-08-09 09:56:20 PM  

Electrify: Wouldn't it be fittingly ironic if we gave Arizona back to Mexico?


F**k Mexico - let's give it back to the Navajo, Hopi, and Pima.
 
2012-08-09 09:56:29 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: This is bad bureaucracy mixed with prejudice. I wonder how many of these stories where a real illegal was involved and then deported that we don't hear about.

What was she originally arrested for?


Trying to get her daughter a passport while brown. TTGHDAPWB.
 
2012-08-09 09:56:59 PM  

luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


From what I've read, they've been leaving Arizona in droves.

A few articles for you
 
2012-08-09 09:57:05 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


Just because there aren't any foreigners around to arrest, harass, and spew bigotry at doesn't make 3/4ths of Arizona's population any less racist. It's still a worthless state run and supported by worthless people.
 
2012-08-09 09:57:42 PM  

luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


You must not live here. There must be one million fewer of them since 2010.
 
2012-08-09 09:58:00 PM  

luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.


So then start jailing the employers like we do everybody else and the problem will go away.
 
2012-08-09 09:58:21 PM  

svenge: The underlying statute is sound,


No, no it isn't. This is *exactly* what a lot of us predicted. And oh, look, it actually happened. The fact is that in AR and GA you can be pulled off the street and disappeared because of what you look like.

Someone's life is ruined and "oh sorry" doesn't farking cut it.
 
2012-08-09 09:58:49 PM  

NutWrench: The judge remarked that the documents on file with Vital Records had been "available to the state," and in oral arguments, the prosecutor had to admit that he'd never bothered to pull the file and inspect it.

More troubling still was Passamonte's observation that the MCAO's lone witness, Detective Chris Oberly of the Arizona Department of Transportation's Office of the Inspector General, told the grand jury this:

In 1999, Vital Records discovered that Torres' birth certificate, in his words, had been "falsely created" by Torres' mother and so the department "canceled it."

This was not true, according to Vital Records. Torres' birth certificate never was canceled and remains as valid as the day it was issued.


Detective Chris Oberly of the Arizona Department of Transportation's Office of the Inspector General should be in a farking jail cell.


You are correct. I'm a firm believer that any authority (police, DA) that purposely present false evidence in any case, should be punished at LEAST as much as the innocent person that was subjected to punishment because of it.

There was no reason for this case. It tied up resources that could have kept real criminals off the street, and punished an innocent woman. Seriously... how the fark does this sort of thing happen? What was this guy thinking when he falsely testified? What did he hope to accomplish?

Keep in mind, I'm not against the death penalty, or harsh treatment for real criminals... but when a DA or policeman railroad a person who is innocent of that particular crime to a conviction, they have done TWO unforgivable crimes: Framed an innocent, of course, but they have also allowed the real perpetrator to walk free. Forcng such authority figures to answer for their own crimes would go a long way to eliminating this sort of crap from our judicial system.
 
2012-08-09 09:59:14 PM  

loonatic112358: after the suing, i do hope she considers moving


Back to Mexico? Well, at least you were polite about it.

/sarcasm
 
2012-08-09 09:59:20 PM  

pxlboy: kapaso: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

Give me a break I lived in the Sonoran desert for 12 years. They have been crossing the border in droves for as long as I can remember. They came, they worked and eventually became citizens if they were decent and worked hard. The fact you think it just started recently means you don't know shiat.

Or that you got trolled...either are likely


Oh I recognize one of my own. Hell it's probably my neighbor.
 
2012-08-09 10:00:06 PM  

nburghmatt: DNRTFA

Rape Murderson?


Gunrunner McPedophile (of the prestigious Connecticut McPedophiles)?
 
2012-08-09 10:01:31 PM  
FTA:
Many a dumb redneck has called my voicemail to leave some anonymous anti-Mexican rant and wonder about my use of the word "nativism" to describe the plague of hate that has engulfed this state for several years.

So here's a definition for the knuckle-draggers, borrowed from American historian John Higham: "ntense opposition to an internal minority on the ground of its foreign (i.e., 'un-American') connections."


I like this guy.
 
2012-08-09 10:01:39 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


According to a Princeton researcher, "We are not being flooded with illegal Mexican migrants. The total number of migrants from Mexico has varied very little since the 1950s. The massive influx many have written about never happened." Among other myths being propagated by the rabidly anti-immigrant set.
 
2012-08-09 10:02:23 PM  

bwilson27: luktti: pxlboy: It's the scared-ass bluehairs who keep voting assholes like Joe in office.

Do not care for sheriff Joe. But the illegals are getting way out of hand.

You must not live here. There must be one million fewer of them since 2010.


I seriously believe they stay inside as much as possible if they in maricopa. Last time I was in Phoenix I didn't see any Mexicans out.
 
2012-08-09 10:02:50 PM  

pippi longstocking: Why the hell do we need to have private prisons?


You don't get rich by not sucking on the public teat.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:18 PM  

pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...


cops set up innocent victims and file false charges all the f*cking time and have been doing it since the beginning of society I'm sure.
this cop didn't do it for a kickback from the Omni Consumer Products. he didn't do it because his cousin is a guard at the county lockup and he wanted to get him an extra shift.
he did it because he is an antisocial abusive f*ck who gets a kick out of smashing people he can.

the authoritarian nature of this country or marijuana possession or unpaid traffic tickets being a jailable offense has anything to do with private prisons.
christ, I had a marshal come to my house when I was 21 and pick me up for unpaid parking tickets. it wasn't the private prison that they didn't take me to that was making the money, it was the sweet liberal city I lived. christ, you hear something that sounds half way plausible and maybe has a little truth to it but you get so damn excited you grab it in your teeth and then run off full speed head first into a wall. the cops are the f*cking ones that are arresting people.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:50 PM  

kapaso:

I seriously believe they stay inside as much as possible if they in maricopa. Last time I was in Phoenix I didn't see any Mexicans out.


Well I live here and I can tell you that there are not nearly as many as there used to be. They got the hell out of this shiathole when they began cracking down on employers. With no jorbs, they moved to Cali, Oregon and New Mexico.
 
2012-08-09 10:06:18 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: svenge: The underlying statute is sound,

No, no it isn't. This is *exactly* what a lot of us predicted. And oh, look, it actually happened. The fact is that in AR and GA you can be pulled off the street and disappeared because of what you look like.

Someone's life is ruined and "oh sorry" doesn't farking cut it.


Yep. More likely in Gwinnett and Cobb(where they have the 287g software) than the other counties, but it can happen pretty much anywhere in the state.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:51 PM  

relcec: pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...

cops set up innocent victims and file false charges all the f*cking time and have been doing it since the beginning of society I'm sure.
this cop didn't do it for a kickback from the Omni Consumer Products. he didn't do it because his cousin is a guard at the county lockup and he wanted to get him an extra shift.
he did it because he is an antisocial abusive f*ck who gets a kick out of smashing people he can.

the authoritarian nature of this country or marijuana possession or unpaid traffic tickets being a jailable offense has anything to do with private prisons.
christ, I had a marshal come to my house when I was 21 and pick me up for unpaid parking tickets. it wasn't the private prison that they didn't take me to that was making the money, it was the sweet liberal city I lived. christ, you hear something that sounds half way plausible and maybe has a little truth to it but you get so damn excited you grab it in your teeth and then run off full speed head first into a wall. the cops are the f*cking ones that are arresting people.


Must have been a lot of damn tickets to issue the warrant.
 
2012-08-09 10:09:31 PM  
Maricopa cops are flagrantly abusing power?

Shocked! Shocked, I say!
 
2012-08-09 10:09:41 PM  

pxlboy: kapaso: poe_zlaw:
And apparently the snowbirds are allowed to vote on things that affect the rest of the state year-round.

Brilliant.


Yeah! Those snowbirds are nothing but racist bastards.

Get your head out of your ass,your face is suppose to brown by a tan,not feces
 
2012-08-09 10:10:20 PM  

pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...


I can't imagine what ever made any American think that locking people up; depriving citizens of their freedom for profit was a good idea. Are there really that many people in this country that long for a return to slavery? Or are we just a truly stupid nation?
 
2012-08-09 10:11:25 PM  

Mr.Man: pxlboy: kapaso: poe_zlaw:
And apparently the snowbirds are allowed to vote on things that affect the rest of the state year-round.

Brilliant.

Yeah! Those snowbirds are nothing but racist bastards.

Get your head out of your ass,your face is suppose to brown by a tan,not feces


Well look who's coming down for the Winter!
 
2012-08-09 10:13:04 PM  

jso2897: david_gaithersburg: With such bigotry in the opening I could not be bothered with reading the nonsense.

Yeah, let's not forget the real victim here - some white boy on the internet who gets butthurt when he reads about racist nativism.
You poor thing.


No kidding. Nativism has nearly destroyed the country more than once. The first time around, Catholics were deemed such a threat to liberty that they had to be oppressed. Those damned Irish, too, who tended to also be Catholic.

Remember, folks, you're not doing your descendants any favors with this racist nonsense. Your grandkids will not be the white majority.
 
2012-08-09 10:13:11 PM  
Solution: Leave Arizona, go anywhere else... Except Texas.
 
2012-08-09 10:13:15 PM  
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2012-08-09 10:13:29 PM  

Lunaville: pippi longstocking: You don't hear this much in the public arena, but this is what happens when you privatize the penal system. This is why we have the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

Why the hell do we need to have private prisons? They are just monopsonies riddled with greed and corruption. The level of corruption is really quite impressive, I sincerely believe that if prisons were publicly owned this whole stupid system would reform practically overnight, no more putting people in jail for smoking a joint, parking tickets, etc...

I can't imagine what ever made any American think that locking people up; depriving citizens of their freedom for profit was a good idea. Are there really that many people in this country that long for a return to slavery? Or are we just a truly stupid nation?


Communist. If you don't think EVERYTHING should generate profit, you are EXACTLY LIKE STALIN.
 
2012-08-09 10:13:39 PM  

Tom_Slick: I hope she can sue for false imprisonment and bankrupt that county.


This.
 
2012-08-09 10:15:07 PM  

Token Anarchist: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

You mean when free trade agreements and the drug war devastated their economy? Conservatives love to blame everyone for the problems they cause. A bunch of scared whiny crybabies.


Now, be fair: that was a bi-partisan accomplishment.
 
2012-08-09 10:17:15 PM  

nburghmatt: DNRTFA

Rape Murderson?


No, silly, Butch Deadlift.
 
2012-08-09 10:19:11 PM  

bwilson27: kapaso:

I seriously believe they stay inside as much as possible if they in maricopa. Last time I was in Phoenix I didn't see any Mexicans out.

Well I live here and I can tell you that there are not nearly as many as there used to be. They got the hell out of this shiathole when they began cracking down on employers. With no jorbs, they moved to Cali, Oregon and New Mexico.


I'm in Tucson, maricopa county is an island into itself. I did live in Phoenix for two years, that was as long as I could stand. It really wasn't that bad at the time, but it has almost nothing but cookie cutter homes and corporate business, I swear it's like they took the same block and copied it a million times over.
 
2012-08-09 10:19:41 PM  
Is she the one who had been arrested using different names and when she had someone come to the jail with her I.D. they thought it was fake as it did not match the others names she had given that were matched to prints or something?? I was confused, not so confused it would take me 4 months to figure it out but if this is the same lady she started it.....
 
2012-08-09 10:21:52 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: svenge: The underlying statute is sound,

No, no it isn't. This is *exactly* what a lot of us predicted. And oh, look, it actually happened. The fact is that in AR and GA you can be pulled off the street and disappeared because of what you look like.

Someone's life is ruined and "oh sorry" doesn't farking cut it.


Exactly. I just love (note sarcasm) that I am expected to put together an identification kit for my child/children to carry with them at all times in case one of them, while not in my company, happens to be asked by a police officer to prove citizenship. I wonder if Mr. Statute-is-sound realizes that in absence of such ID, which white children do not have to carry, my child/children could be detained until I can arrive with appropriate documents?

It is now a crime to be a child while brown.
 
2012-08-09 10:22:49 PM  

Maktaka: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

Just because there aren't any foreigners around to arrest, harass, and spew bigotry at doesn't make 3/4ths of Arizona's population any less racist. It's still a worthless state run and supported by worthless people.


So you kinda sound like a bigot. It might surprise you to learn that every single negative story on arizona originates from one county heavily populated by people from other states.
 
2012-08-09 10:23:53 PM  

Queensowntalia: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

According to a Princeton researcher, "We are not being flooded with illegal Mexican migrants. The total number of migrants from Mexico has varied very little since the 1950s.The massive influx many have written about never happened." Among other myths being propagated by the rabidly anti-immigrant set.


that's complete bullshiat. and you are basically brain dead if you can't tell it is bullshiat. seriously. brain dead. no ability to even correctly judge whether it is raining or someone is pissing on your face.

we haven't had this high immigration levels since the 1920s. the 1950s when everyone had a nice job that paid well? yeah, that had something to do with the lowest immigration in 80 years either side of it. more people, more competition for jobs, lower wages. that's why the u.s. chamber of commerce is rabidly pro immigration. the democrats don't give a f*ck because they are concerned with power, not decent jobs for americans.
when did the middle class start to stagnate? 1970, right when the flood gates were opened because the democrats were interested in bringing in poor people to become the next generations democrats. the 165 immigration bill completely revamped the u.s. immigration policies and since then we have been the largest importer of foreign workers in world history.

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brothertowns.com
 
2012-08-09 10:24:23 PM  

kapaso: Maktaka: luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.

Just because there aren't any foreigners around to arrest, harass, and spew bigotry at doesn't make 3/4ths of Arizona's population any less racist. It's still a worthless state run and supported by worthless people.

So you kinda sound like a bigot. It might surprise you to learn that every single negative story on arizona originates from one county heavily populated by people from other states.


Not all of them. Quartzsite is a bit further west.
 
2012-08-09 10:25:42 PM  

svenge: The underlying statute is sound, as on average illegal immigrants aren't exactly likely to make court appearances or respect the law to begin with. Their mere presence here affirms that.

However, the county really screwed the pooch on this one. If you are going to incarcerate someone for being an illegal immigrant, you'd better make sure that you're right and do some due diligence lest you look like idiots and end up liable for $$$.



Can't agree more. Detective Chris Oberly should be brought up on perjury charges at the least. And outside of a judge, I hope that it takes more than one or two people to invalidate a birth certificate.
 
2012-08-09 10:25:57 PM  
...and all this time I thought "Torres" was a Klingon name.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-09 10:26:05 PM  
Saw Estrella was the jail and thought "I'm starting to get behind the idea of an Arizona tag." Kinda hard to move from the place where the entirety of the family you like lives, though. I should move north, you don't find crazy stories like this in Flagstaff (that I'm aware of).
 
2012-08-09 10:26:20 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Remember, folks, you're not doing your descendants any favors with this racist nonsense. Your grandkids will not be the white majority.


But, really, isn't that why they're being such dicks about it? Fear of losing their place in the social hierarchy? Fear of a future where white Christian males don't run the show?

I mean, we have already have a black muslim president! Can you blame them for being scared?
 
2012-08-09 10:26:43 PM  
This story sounds made up.
 
2012-08-09 10:26:54 PM  

luktti: kapaso: Arizona wasn't this hateful until all your parents started coming here for the winter

Arizona wasn;t that hateful until the illegals started crossing the border in droves.


Hey jackass, let me remind you of something:

www.latinamericanstudies.org

See that map? Yeah, the one of the Mexican American war? The one America started in the 1840s? See that spot where I live? Where the Gila river is? Yeah, that's Phoenix. Guess what country that was in the middle of? Mexico. Mexico owned that land for 20 years. Before that? Spain. For hundreds of years. Spanish owned, bred and settled.

I *hate* americans who think 'oh we are white, we were the first ones on this land, derp derp derp' as if they colonized the f*cking moon.
 
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