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(BBC)   Scientists discover new species of human. No not in Florida. Not in Jersey either   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-08-09 05:32:30 PM  
You submitted this with a "homo" joke
 
2012-08-09 05:43:19 PM  
Homo Obamacus?
 
2012-08-09 06:28:57 PM  
Researchers studying fossils from northern Kenya have identified a new species of human that lived two million years ago.

There's a logical fallacy here somewhere...
 
2012-08-09 06:32:49 PM  
So the oldest humans are from Africa and they still haven't gotten their shiat together despite having the most time to do so.
 
2012-08-09 06:40:24 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-08-09 06:43:45 PM  
Subby: The species Homo rudolfensis has been known for decades. They found some new individuals. There were some anthropologists who were hesitant to accept that it was a distinct species, rather than a single anomalous individual, but these fossils confirm that the species is legitimate. There wasn't just one "freak" member of a different species.


Also:

The research adds to a growing body of evidence that runs counter to the popular perception that there was a linear evolution from early primates to modern humans.

The "linear" model is basically Lamarckian. Real evolution does not work that way. The famous image of the "walking guys" is an inaccurate depiction of how evolution really proceeds. Branching and subsequent "pruning" of branches is much more accurate as a metaphor.
 
2012-08-09 06:45:08 PM  
The homo erectus likely evolved from the homo flaccid
 
2012-08-09 07:10:14 PM  
ANd cue Bevets.

And the rest of the idiot squad.

Personally, I agree with Leaky. The "many dead end" model is much better proof of evolution than the linear model.
 
2012-08-09 07:13:42 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Homo Obamacus?


Check it's long form.
 
2012-08-09 07:52:25 PM  
www.replicatedtypo.com

i don't want to live on this planet anymore
 
2012-08-09 07:55:32 PM  
This is just more proof of 0bama's agenda against traditional Christian values.
 
2012-08-09 07:59:20 PM  
So not from apes then?
 
2012-08-09 07:59:36 PM  
Silly subby - Oompa Loompas aren't human, so they wouldn't even count!
 
2012-08-09 08:03:08 PM  
politics tab troll?
 
2012-08-09 08:03:19 PM  

JDAT: So not from apes then?


Humans, by taxonomic classification, are apes. Any variant human species would therefore also be ape.
 
2012-08-09 08:04:13 PM  
Where is good old Bevets-bot? I haven't heard from that guy in ages. Kind of miss that character. The new Official Fark Derp Squad just isn't the same.
 
2012-08-09 08:04:32 PM  
God obviously put it there to test our faith.
 
2012-08-09 08:06:30 PM  

Dimensio: JDAT: So not from apes then?

Humans, by taxonomic classification, are apes. Any variant human species would therefore also be ape.


Sounds like the scientists in charge of classification got a little lazy when they got to the mammals.
 
2012-08-09 08:09:23 PM  

the_colors: Where is good old Bevets-bot? I haven't heard from that guy in ages. Kind of miss that character. The new Official Fark Derp Squad just isn't the same.


Unfortunately (maybe fortunately) he only comes by every couple months and only spends a couple weeks at most with us. From what I've noticed at least. I could be wrong.
 
2012-08-09 08:12:20 PM  

JDAT: Dimensio: JDAT: So not from apes then?

Humans, by taxonomic classification, are apes. Any variant human species would therefore also be ape.

Sounds like the scientists in charge of classification got a little lazy when they got to the mammals.


Would you care to elaborate on that comment?
 
2012-08-09 08:17:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-09 08:18:24 PM  
So not only is Obama not born in the US, he's not even a homo sapien. That damned dirty ape!

/Am I doing it right?
 
2012-08-09 08:18:58 PM  
Call me disappointed... I thought they were finally going to show that the brain differences in Autistics was worthy of calling us a separate race finally.

Crap have to hang out with the NT's a while longer.
 
2012-08-09 08:19:03 PM  
Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2012-08-09 08:19:57 PM  

the_colors: Where is good old Bevets-bot? I haven't heard from that guy in ages. Kind of miss that character. The new Official Fark Derp Squad just isn't the same.


I'm on it.
farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2012-08-09 08:24:26 PM  

Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?


Getting closer to the perfect Jesus look.
 
2012-08-09 08:27:31 PM  
i246.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-09 08:30:53 PM  

JDAT: Dimensio: JDAT: So not from apes then?

Humans, by taxonomic classification, are apes. Any variant human species would therefore also be ape.

Sounds like the scientists in charge of classification got a little lazy when they got to the mammals.


You have confused your own ignorance of taxonomy with laziness of biologists. The two concepts, however, are not equivalent.
 
2012-08-09 08:30:57 PM  
something something birth certificate
 
2012-08-09 08:33:39 PM  

Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]


Because that's how perfection is defined?
 
2012-08-09 08:34:44 PM  

Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]


Same reason they always show the right legs forward, discretely hiding the franks and beans. It protects the delicate sensibilities of the target audience.
 
2012-08-09 08:41:41 PM  
news.bbcimg.co.uk

i2.cdn.turner.com

Homo brand

Yes I know, the homo part is redundant.
 
2012-08-09 08:41:52 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Researchers studying fossils from northern Kenya have identified a new species of human that lived two million years ago.

There's a logical fallacy here somewhere...


I think I found it - it's the "two million years ago" part. I think they meant "two thousand years."
 
2012-08-09 08:47:31 PM  

Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]


because living indoors will do that to you??
 
2012-08-09 08:50:48 PM  

dericwater: So not only is Obama not born in the US, he's not even a homo sapien. That damned dirty ape!

/Am I doing it right?


There is really no way to do it wrong so yep, you're good. This can only go one place.
 
2012-08-09 08:59:04 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

because living indoors will do that to you??


where did blond hair come from though. We're now losing blonds as a species.
 
2012-08-09 09:01:13 PM  
I'm more than a little disappointed that I'm not the Jersey Missing Link.

*sigh*

At least I have my record number of felons for panda smugglin........oh hey...still listening huh?

Don't judge me.
 
2012-08-09 09:15:44 PM  

links136: Jon iz teh kewl: Nem Wan: Why do these charts always depict progress as getting whiter and blonder?
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

because living indoors will do that to you??

where did blond hair come from though. We're now losing blonds as a species.


because of white supremacy of course.
i've been following it
in retrospect we should have used rainbow skin with tie died hair.
 
2012-08-09 09:23:33 PM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Call me disappointed... I thought they were finally going to show that the brain differences in Autistics was worthy of calling us a separate race finally.

Crap have to hang out with the NT's a while longer.


It's not about the brain, it's about the privates. If you are able to breed with non-autistics you are still part of the human race.
 
2012-08-09 09:26:27 PM  

FloydA: The "linear" model is basically Lamarckian. Real evolution does not work that way. The famous image of the "walking guys" is an inaccurate depiction of how evolution really proceeds. Branching and subsequent "pruning" of branches is much more accurate as a metaphor.


If memory serves you're going to challenge this... but the evidence is accumulating that it's even messier than that, with so-called separate species cross-breeding back into each other.

IIRC from the last time this came up, you remain unconvinced by the claims that Neanderthals and modern humans interbred. There's also a very recent assertion that the humans left behind in Africa interbred with another archaic species.

But either way, at least we agree that it's way more complicated than any simple linear progression.


/I do so hope my memory isn't confusing you with somebody else...
 
2012-08-09 09:34:30 PM  
When some experts finally figure out what species I'm supposed to be I hope they'll finally tell me. That I'm not a "real" person is obvious but the reason is obscure.

Maybe BronyMedic and/or Tatsuma could weigh in with a clue?
 
2012-08-09 09:39:21 PM  
This explains that West Va. pic from yesterday...

news.bbcimg.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

Peaceful, hatchet-faced coexistence...
 
2012-08-09 09:40:31 PM  
Well seeing how this is fark I'm expecting a polite, well mannered discussion, where both sides bring facts to the table.


/Also hoping to hit the power ball.
 
2012-08-09 09:44:05 PM  

Mega Steve: the_colors: Where is good old Bevets-bot? I haven't heard from that guy in ages. Kind of miss that character. The new Official Fark Derp Squad just isn't the same.

I'm on it.
[farm1.static.flickr.com image 288x401]



GAH!!


i1214.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-09 09:49:52 PM  

czetie:
If memory serves you're going to challenge this... but the evidence is accumulating that it's even messier than that, with so-called separate species cross-breeding back into each other.

IIRC from the last time this came up, you remain unconvinced by the claims that Neanderthals and modern humans interbred. There's also a very recent assertion that the humans left behind in Africa interbred with another archaic species.

But either way, at least we agree that it's way more complicated than any simple linear progression.


/I do so hope my memory isn't confusing you with somebody else...



Could very well be me. It's an apt description. It sounds like the sort of thing that I would say.
(I hope I wasn't a jerk about it!)

The one issue I'd raise right off the bat is that if Cro-Magnons and neandertals were interfertile, then they were the same species, by definition, since interfertility is pretty much THE defining feature of the species boundary for contemporaneous species.

Reticulating trees are uncommon in multicelular organisms, for a lot of reasons, so it would take a lot of convincing for me to accept a "web" or "network" topology for the hominins. I mean sure, right at the branches, there would necessarily be some "gray area" between whether the two lineages were one species or two, but that wouldn't tend to last long. If interbreeding continued at any significant frequency, then they would not become different species, but merge back into one, widely dispersed species.

(You're right, I remain kind of skeptical of the interbreeding hypothesis for humans/neandertals for other reasons as well. Mainly because so far, the sample sizes used to support that conclusion have been inadequate. It's a fascinating idea, and it deserves more thorough research, but so far, the data are not sufficient to support the conclusion. The mitochondrial data are much stronger, because we've been studying it for longer, and they all seem to point the opposite direction. So for the moment, I'm unconvinced. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the data aren't strong enough to convince me, at least not yet. Paabo could publish something to change my mind at any minute- wouldn't be the first time he's done that! ;-)
 
2012-08-09 09:51:22 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope:


GAH!!


[i1214.photobucket.com image 288x401]


Thank you.
 
2012-08-09 10:03:35 PM  

FloydA: Also:

The research adds to a growing body of evidence that runs counter to the popular perception that there was a linear evolution from early primates to modern humans.

The "linear" model is basically Lamarckian. Real evolution does not work that way. The famous image of the "walking guys" is an inaccurate depiction of how evolution really proceeds. Branching and subsequent "pruning" of branches is much more accurate as a metaphor.


Pretty much came in to say this. The "body of evidence" that evolution by natural selection is properly visualized as branches rather than a line has been overwhelming for many decades. The research cited is just a drop in a very full bucket, so if "popular perception" hasn't caught up yet, this isn't likely to tip the scales.

/sorry for the mixed metaphor at the end there.
 
2012-08-09 10:26:14 PM  
Home Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Neandert(h)alis ARE the same species.

Different sub-species.

not to be confused with H. Nova Jersii ;-)

I keed, I keed...nothing against the Garden State.
 
2012-08-09 10:32:14 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Researchers studying fossils from northern Kenya have identified a new species of human that lived two million years ago.

There's a logical fallacy here somewhere...


hey.... They're new to me...
 
2012-08-09 10:36:13 PM  

Bill Shakespeare: Home Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Neandert(h)alis ARE the same species.

Different sub-species.


That is a very controversial claim, to put it mildly. Anyone who claims to be absolutely certain about that topic, one way or the other has ignored at least half of the available evidence. Some of the smartest, most informed, most knowledgeable anthropologists who are most familiar with the fossils and the genetics disagree about the relationships between the fossil hominins. If they can't be certain, then it's premature for us farkers to claim certainty.


(Also, the correct Linnaean specific (or sub-specific if you insist) taxon is "neanderthalensis.")
 
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