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(Think Progress)   Missouri's "Right To Pray" Amendment would "allow students to refuse to participate in any school assignments they believe violate their religious beliefs." Oh, yeah, that'll end well   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 238
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2012-08-09 05:33:32 PM  
Simple solution... Missouri diplomas shouldn't be recognized as being equal to those from other states, and Missouri students should have to obtain a diploma from an institution that isn't under the thrall of Jesus fundies to be allowed to get into a college.

Problem solved.
 
2012-08-09 05:33:56 PM  
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/oblig
 
2012-08-09 05:34:01 PM  
Why not let natural selection run its course?

The stoopid ones are going to stay stoopid anyway, and the ones not hogtied with religious nuttery will prevail.
 
2012-08-09 05:34:02 PM  
that'll end in a re-pete?
 
2012-08-09 05:34:14 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Simple solution... Missouri diplomas shouldn't be recognized as being equal to those from other states, and Missouri students should have to obtain a diploma from an institution that isn't under the thrall of Jesus fundies to be allowed to get into a college.

Problem solved.


Difficulty: places like Oral Roberts and Liberty University.
 
2012-08-09 05:34:31 PM  
And when the first case under the new law is an atheist kid who doesn't want to say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, they'll have an aneurysm.
 
2012-08-09 05:34:50 PM  
Except that this is already occurring, in every state in the country. It's a violation of a student's federal rights to force them to do assignments in which there is some religious controversy. I've had plenty of Jehovah's Witness students opt out of assignments, the pledge, birthday celebrations, you name it. Missouri didn't need a law for this, but you know those Christians, have to make absolutely sure they aren't persecuted for something that's not even happening.
 
2012-08-09 05:35:10 PM  
I Kings 7:23

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
 
2012-08-09 05:35:33 PM  

Kimothy: Except that this is already occurring, in every state in the country. It's a violation of a student's federal rights to force them to do assignments in which there is some religious controversy. I've had plenty of Jehovah's Witness students opt out of assignments, the pledge, birthday celebrations, you name it. Missouri didn't need a law for this, but you know those Christians, have to make absolutely sure they aren't persecuted for something that's not even happening.


What sort of assignments?
 
2012-08-09 05:35:43 PM  

AntiNerd: Why not let natural selection run its course?

The stoopid ones are going to stay stoopid anyway, and the ones not hogtied with religious nuttery will prevail.


This
 
2012-08-09 05:35:53 PM  
Well this is stupid.

I bet that fun time will be had by all the first time an atheist uses this amendment to refuse to do an assignment based on Creationism or something similar.
 
2012-08-09 05:36:41 PM  
I'm sorry teach, I have a letter from my pastor explaining how learning science, math, history, English, economics, literature, health, sex education, and how to whipe my own ass is against my southern Baptist principles.
 
2012-08-09 05:36:58 PM  
Well, as long as there is a staff member to ensure that the excuses are for real religions and not made-up ones like Scientology or Judaism, I'm sure it will work out fine.
 
2012-08-09 05:37:41 PM  
"Homework is against my religion. God commands me to bang hot teachers." -Smart guy
 
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2012-08-09 05:38:15 PM  

quantum_csc: AntiNerd: Why not let natural selection run its course?

The stoopid ones are going to stay stoopid anyway, and the ones not hogtied with religious nuttery will prevail.

This


Do we really need to TRY to make Fox News viewers?
 
2012-08-09 05:38:23 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And when the first case under the new law is an atheist kid who doesn't want to say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, they'll have an aneurysm.


I'm OK with this.
/by "OK," I mean waiting with party hats and streamers
 
2012-08-09 05:38:27 PM  
beautifulheartgrotto.webs.com
 
2012-08-09 05:38:33 PM  

max_pooper: whipe


Also, spelling.
 
2012-08-09 05:38:41 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Well this is stupid.

I bet that fun time will be had by all the first time an atheist uses this amendment to refuse to do an assignment based on Creationism or something similar.


A Muslim who refuses to dissect a pig. Then, just like in Louisiana, there will be a bunch of Missouri politicians who didn't think it counted for any o' them heathen religions.
 
2012-08-09 05:39:31 PM  

Kimothy: It's a violation of a student's federal rights to force them to do assignments in which there is some religious controversy.


Seriously? If so, that is just sad.
 
2012-08-09 05:39:45 PM  

max_pooper: I'm sorry teach, I have a letter from my pastor explaining how learning science, math, history, English, economics, literature, health, sex education, and how to whipe my own ass is against my southern Baptist principles.


Apparently, so is spelling.
 
2012-08-09 05:39:49 PM  
I hereby create the Church of the Lazy Bum.
 
2012-08-09 05:40:43 PM  
And guess whose fault these same people are gonna say it is when the USA drops even lower in the World Education Ratings? Go on, guess.
 
2012-08-09 05:41:18 PM  

Kimothy: Except that this is already occurring, in every state in the country. It's a violation of a student's federal rights to force them to do assignments in which there is some religious controversy. I've had plenty of Jehovah's Witness students opt out of assignments, the pledge, birthday celebrations, you name it. Missouri didn't need a law for this, but you know those Christians, have to make absolutely sure they aren't persecuted for something that's not even happening.


Having seen may of these happen - I've never seen a JW opt out of an assignment. They will bow out of a number of social or political practices (the pledge, pep rallies, birthday/holiday celebrations, etc). But I've never seen any of them dodge an assignment.
 
2012-08-09 05:41:40 PM  
My religion says I don't gotta do no homework and I can smoke in class.
 
2012-08-09 05:41:45 PM  
assets.amuniversal.com
 
2012-08-09 05:42:47 PM  

Silly Jesus: [beautifulheartgrotto.webs.com image 850x637]


The last time I trusted some guy called Jesus who said this I ended up at a donkey show. Never again!
 
2012-08-09 05:43:06 PM  
Calvin and Hobbes did it.
 
2012-08-09 05:43:15 PM  

BSABSVR: Then, just like in Louisiana, there will be a bunch of Missouri politicians who didn't think it counted for any o' them heathen religions.


This isn't even a joke. I pretty much guarantee we'll hear some idiot say something like "we thought it was about protecting religious people, not Muslims!"
 
2012-08-09 05:43:38 PM  
Yet another sleazy attempt to shoe horn Creationist blather into our public schools. Keep 'em stupid and GOP.
 
2012-08-09 05:43:49 PM  
What does that have to do with prayer?
 
2012-08-09 05:44:34 PM  

propasaurus: max_pooper: I'm sorry teach, I have a letter from my pastor explaining how learning science, math, history, English, economics, literature, health, sex education, and how to whipe my own ass is against my southern Baptist principles.

Apparently, so is spelling.


We didn't have spelling back when I was school in Texas.

\Actually we did.
\\Texas schools used to be better.
\\\I got two years of calculus in HS.
 
2012-08-09 05:44:35 PM  

keytronic: [assets.amuniversal.com image 600x191]


RyogaM: Calvin and Hobbes did it.


Damn you and your search skills!

/Good job, that's the one I was thinking of.
 
2012-08-09 05:45:04 PM  

Silly Jesus: [beautifulheartgrotto.webs.com image 850x637]


or alternatively

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" -Matthew 22:21
 
2012-08-09 05:45:15 PM  

Kimothy: Except that this is already occurring, in every state in the country. It's a violation of a student's federal rights to force them to do assignments in which there is some religious controversy. I've had plenty of Jehovah's Witness students opt out of assignments, the pledge, birthday celebrations, you name it. Missouri didn't need a law for this, but you know those Christians, have to make absolutely sure they aren't persecuted for something that's not even happening.


Yep, this is fluff. There's nothing to challenge because it doesn't do anything.
 
2012-08-09 05:45:28 PM  
Any student who doesn't use this to get out of homework and tests is stupid as hell
 
2012-08-09 05:45:32 PM  
They are so oppressed.

iceboating.net
 
2012-08-09 05:46:13 PM  
What will the religious right push for after this, given that the "right to pray" already exists in schools?

The big controversy about prayer in school has been about school-sponsored prayer, such as requiring students to listen or participate in prayers mandated by the school. The individual right to pray has always been there, which is evidenced by the large number of religious clubs at schools, where outside of class time they can pray or chant or do whatever the hell they want.

No, this bill is nothing but pandering to a consistent story-line spoon fed to an illiterate group with a persecution complex.

http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstatemyths/a/SchoolPrayerBanned.htm
 
2012-08-09 05:46:22 PM  
 
2012-08-09 05:47:13 PM  
If the parents really have a problem with it, let them opt out of something and assign something else. Its either going to be on the all important standardized tests or it won't and they can be measured that way. Otherwise, they go to private and home schools which sabotages the success of public schools in general.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:21 PM  
Do they still get a passing grade if they opt-out?
What would stop a student from saying that anything is against some sort of religion?
 
2012-08-09 05:47:29 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And when the first case under the new law is an atheist kid who doesn't want to say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, they'll have an aneurysm.


Fundies will fire back that atheism isn't a religion thus his freedom isn't being abridged.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:35 PM  

Khellendros: But I've never seen any of them dodge an assignment.


I think if they do they get a zero, just like if some girl refuses to do the frog dissection cause it's icky.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:43 PM  
1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:52 PM  
I opted out of the pledge in school. Not for any religious reasons, just think it is a ridiculous practice. This was in Kansas and no one ever said anything negative to me about it. Don't really see why they need a law for this.
 
2012-08-09 05:48:47 PM  

qorkfiend: FirstNationalBastard: Simple solution... Missouri diplomas shouldn't be recognized as being equal to those from other states, and Missouri students should have to obtain a diploma from an institution that isn't under the thrall of Jesus fundies to be allowed to get into a college.

Problem solved.

Difficulty: places like Oral Roberts and Liberty University.


i suspect that when interviewing for your first job after college mentioning either of them might not work out how you imagined.
 
2012-08-09 05:48:49 PM  
I say this is fine but they have to bring in a signed and notarized letter from Jesus.
 
2012-08-09 05:49:17 PM  

czei: What will the religious right push for after this, given that the "right to pray" already exists in schools?


This is another one of those lovely Unicorn Leash Laws.
 
2012-08-09 05:49:33 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Yep, this is fluff. There's nothing to challenge because it doesn't do anything.


Liar.


"that no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs"


This is not the state of the law. A student cannot refuse to complete an assignment on the solar system because the student believe in biblical geocentricity. A student cannot refuse an assignment on the Cretaceous Period because the student is a new-earth creationist. Sorry.
 
2012-08-09 05:50:15 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The Why Not Guy: And when the first case under the new law is an atheist kid who doesn't want to say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, they'll have an aneurysm.

Fundies will fire back that atheism isn't a religion thus his freedom isn't being abridged.


This reminds me I saw a Muslim woman driving a car with the optional "In God We Trust" sticker ($1 and placed over where the country name would usually be) on her Georgia plates yesterday. It surprised me, but it really is the same thing. I don't think our state's fundies had that in mind when they came out with it.
 
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