It's amusing to me how much conservative christians want to believe that the founding fathers were also conservative christians. The founding fathers were educated intellectuals, which pretty much rules them out of being conservative christians

TheDumbBlonde: xynix:
You're better off being an ex-Southerner if you eat cold fried chicken as a hangover cure, Son.

Best thing ever! Two day old popeyes.. hell yeah. Certainly part of my hangover cure.. I also do the "full irish" at times.

The Cure: Eggs,[...]

Problem solved if you focus right there. Every pro-lifer Southerner knows that Eggs ARE Chickens, Therefore a breakfast containing fried eggs is a fried chicken breakfast

Denny's Prolife Grand-Slam: 2 Pancakes, two trips of bacon, two scrambled chickens.

WhyteRaven74: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: One version of it actually has TJ bringing a waffle iron back from France and starting the tradition. Of course it's Wikipedia, not the Encyclopedia Brittanica, so take it with a grain of whatever seasoning floats your boat.

Actually Jefferson did bring back an assortment of cooking stuff from France. And he did come up with macaroni and cheese, though he called it macaroni pie.

He didn't "come up with it", he merely imported it. It wasn't likely the elbow and cheddar nightmare most Americans eat either. (More likely something like spagetti and parm).

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The comments for that article are pretty derpy. One person posting about a turn of phrase meaning that scientists believed plants were sentient and/or sapient at some point in the past.

How do these people even get out of bed in the morning without accidentally killing themselves.

The floor is only three feet down.

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Nobodyn0se: From the other David Barton thread:

As many of you know, my mother, Judy Jennings, recently ran for Texas State Board of Education. Fark helped her out with donations and spreading the word, but unfortunately she lost her race :(

During the campaign, she and her fellow Democratic SBoE nominee from another district ran a commercial about David Barton (I can't remember the exact reasoning. Barton was an adviser for both their opponents or something). During this commercial, it was claimed that Barton spoke at a white supremacist rally. Barton is now suing my mother and her fellow candidate, claiming the commercial is slander. His defense is (quite literally) "Yes, I spoke at a white supremacist rally, but I didn't know they were white supremacists at the time."

If you'd like more information, or if you'd like to know how you can help, please look up Judy Jennings on the Facebook. She is running for State Board of Education again in 2012, and we would appreciate any support.

Some more information for you:

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And here's a link to her Facebook. PLEASE "like" her and spread the word!

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How does someone NOT know that they're speaking at a gathering of white supremacists? Did they put a bag over his head, drive him along a circuitous route to confuse him, lead him onto the stage and remove the bag long enough for him to make the speech, and then put the bag over his head and remove him from the stage before anyone had a chance to actually speak to him? Or does he simply lets his secretary set up his speaking arrangements sight unseen, and then shuffle out on the stage in a senile haze to vomit forth whatever pseudobiblical, theocratic spew his neurons have haphazardly slammed together only to disappear immediately afterward in a manner not altogether unlike Batman's vanishings after delivering a quiet tip to Commissioner Gordon? Because if he's that incurious about the world he lives in, that would explain a great deal.

I think it's the opposite of this.

Let's try this again.

tenpoundsofcheese: Just curious, what were the major "lies" that he claimed?


You're just asking questions, right?

tenpoundsofcheese: Just curious, what were the major "lies" that he claimed?

Without even reading the book, I bet we can guess with at least with 75% accuracy:

- Jefferson was totally down with God and every scrap of Democracy he created was straight from Jesus' lips
- No way Jefferson had Jungle Fever, and you're racist for thinking so
- No really, Jefferson wanted 2012 America to bow in fear of Almighty God every hour of every day
- And even if he didn't, he really wasn't as involved with the Founders as we're lead to believe, he mostly sat outside sniffing opium and killing puppies
- The Louisiana Purchase was all Madison's idea. Also God's.

tenpoundsofcheese: Just curious, what were the major "lies" that he claimed?

Take a drink!

jackiepaper: It's amusing to me how much conservative christians want to believe that the founding fathers were also conservative christians. The founding fathers were educated intellectuals, which pretty much rules them out of being conservative christians

The were educated intellectual elitists who loved French culture.

tenpoundsofcheese: Just curious, what were the major "lies" that he claimed?

One example: sections of the constitution were verbatim from Deuteronomy. That's the shiat he puts out in his "history" books. Made up shiat, made up of whole cloth.

Examples HERE

technicolor-misfit: TheDumbBlonde: WhyteRaven74: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: One version of it actually has TJ bringing a waffle iron back from France and starting the tradition. Of course it's Wikipedia, not the Encyclopedia Brittanica, so take it with a grain of whatever seasoning floats your boat.

Actually Jefferson did bring back an assortment of cooking stuff from France. And he did come up with macaroni and cheese, though he called it macaroni pie.

He didn't "come up with it", he merely imported it. It wasn't likely the elbow and cheddar nightmare most Americans eat either. (More likely something like spagetti and parm).


You shut your goddamn commie mouth.

Hey, it's not my fault Jeff was a Franco-phile, brown-sugar loving, dead-broke freakazoid. I love him.

jayhawk88: tenpoundsofcheese: Just curious, what were the major "lies" that he claimed?

Without even reading the book, I bet we can guess with at least with 75% accuracy:

- Jefferson was totally down with God and every scrap of Democracy he created was straight from Jesus' lips
- No way Jefferson had Jungle Fever, and you're racist for thinking so
- No really, Jefferson wanted 2012 America to bow in fear of Almighty God every hour of every day
- And even if he didn't, he really wasn't as involved with the Founders as we're lead to believe, he mostly sat outside sniffing opium and killing puppies
- The Louisiana Purchase was all Madison's idea. Also God's.

I found this on a site that's reasonably sympathetic to Barton, but which summarizes the arguments pretty well:
The "quotes" are Barton's so-called "Lies people believe about Jefferson" and the (parens) are Barton's amazing discovered truths:

"Thomas Jefferson fathered a child with Sally Hemings" (The DNA test results are inconclusive and merely show a Jefferson was their father);
"Thomas Jefferson Founded a Secular University" (The University of Virginia actually waived tuition for those training for the ministry);
"Thomas Jefferson Wrote His Own Bible and Edited Out the Things He Didn't Agree With" (the book was actually a devotional for his own use and included miracles);
"Thomas Jefferson was a Racist Who Opposed Equality for Black Americans" (Jefferson wanted to free his slaves but couldn't pay the heavy taxes required to do so by Virginia law);
"Thomas Jefferson Advocated a Secular Public Square through the Separation of Church and State" (Jefferson actually promoted worship services at the Capitol and attended faithfully);
"Thomas Jefferson Detested the Clergy" (only those who sided with England during the Revolution); and
"Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist and not a Christian" (He certainly held a liberal view of the Bible but adamantly defended his belief in an active God and called himself a Christian).

Based on the reviews, I'm not sure what the kerfuffle was all about (nor why "kerfuffle" is a recognized word); These alleged "lies" about Jefferson are not as "widely believed" or accepted by any student of history, and the (truths) are not as shocking or suppressed as Barton seems to think. For instance, regardless of any DNA work, it's widely accepted Jefferson fathered several of Heming's children, based on the way they were treated by Jefferson during his own lifetime. And it's well-known Jefferson got caught in the classic planter's dilemma about whether to free his slaves as he morally wanted to do or to keep them as he was economically pressed to do. The whole religion thingy is only relevant today, as we all know most of the Founders were deists, a theology quite in keeping with the times.

This sounds like a classic conservative approach: Take a discussion ("did Jefferson father Hemings' children?), make a controversial debate about it where none ever existed (OMG! Some people believe Jefferson didn't have kids with Sally Hemings!), create another side to your debate (Jefferson couldn't have been the father of her children!), discover "proof" for one side or the other, and then write a book exposing these heinous liberal lies about someone we know to have been seated right next to the Son of God. Profit. God knows other writers have done it already.

YodaTuna: David Barton is a cancer.

Cancer killed my dad...

ANd I still hate it less than this dickhead.

There's a scarily large faction out there that doesn't care whether it's true or not just as long as you stay on message.

Sabyen91: I swallows more spotted dick than an elderly London shut-in

Ewwwwwwwww.

TheDumbBlonde: vernonFL: Fun Fact: Thomas Jefferson invented the soul food chicken and waffles breakfast.

Citation needed. No Southerner I know eats fried chicken for breakfast.

I have, on occasion, eaten chicken and waffles for breakfast. The Southerner has to be well versed in soul food, and must have passed his "Chicken Breast Sandwich" test (a whole chicken breast, bone in, in a bun or between two pieces of white bread), and must have eaten real Brunswick Stew (which isn't properly prepared unless it is indistinguishable from vomit). In addition, it is helpful if said southerner isn't familiar with non-cheese grits, and has had said food with fried catfish and/or raw and/or fried oysters (depending on how close said southerner is from the Atlantic Coast). Oh, and country fried steak is only served with brown gravy and Vidalia Onions, people. (I'm looking at you, Texas)

/born and raised in Georgia. Residing in Texas

Oh, and David Barton is a poophead.

vygramul: TheDumbBlonde: vygramul: I saw this on the shelf at a bookstore in Charlottesville, VA. I took a look, say it had a forward by Glenn Beck, and put it back down, wondering how long it would be before roaming hordes of UVA students burned piles of them.

/UVA was the university founded by Jefferson

WOW. Who knew that? Thanks for heads up.

Normally, I wouldn't have said anything, but a few threads ago a couple of people went apeshiat over someone using "UVA" without explaining what it was.

When is there going to be another Cville Fark party?

Nobodyn0se: meehaw: Oh, and country fried steak is only served with brown gravy and Vidalia Onions, people. (I'm looking at you, Texas)

BLASPHEMY!

You sound as if you are wearing a cowboy hat. Take your sawmill gravy and go put it on a biscuit, or something.

(Actually, Babe's Fried Chicken has the best white gravy I've ever tasted, and I would be happy to have it on my country fried steak. But please don't tell mom.)