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2012-08-10 10:19:14 AM
2 votes:

bulldg4life: jonny_q: I loved that Scarecrow was putting on mock trials, but it would have been made more me if his lines were amped up a bit with a little more crazy. He was just too tame during those scenes.

Well, had Heath still been around...I'd assume that would be A+ perfect job for the Joker


There is zero chance that the Joker would play second fiddle to any other villain.
2012-08-09 04:36:45 PM
2 votes:

sprawl15: alwaysjaded: One thing I loved about TDK was no Joker origin. He just shows up and causes chaos.

I remember being really annoyed when the Joker was explaining his backstory and how it was the same old hackneyed "my daddy beat me" justification. It was such a shallow copout for a badguy to just blame it all on bad parenting. Then, a bit later, when he was explaining his backstory and it was totally different, I was grinning like an idiot because it was just the right touch.


That's when I knew he was truly insane, and in a dangerously functional way. I was like:

"Wait that isn't the same sto... oh god."
2012-08-09 01:19:41 PM
2 votes:
Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.
2012-08-10 02:09:42 PM
1 votes:

Falco09: Bullseyed: jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.

The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".

It's not the length of the rope that caused him to fail. It's the security that it provides that makes him unable to jump the gap. He needs the fear of death to help him succeed, as stated by the old man.


Yeah I saw the movie, herp dur.

Physics says you can jump further without the rope. Friction and all of that. The "OH EM GEE EMOOOOTIONS" stuff that passes for science these days isn't real.
2012-08-10 10:33:30 AM
1 votes:

jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.


The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".
2012-08-10 10:27:13 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Most people would think "will Bane break his back?" If yes, that makes the scene predictable. If no, not.


Most people don't read comic books and had no idea that the comic book version of this story resulted in that outcome.

If you pay attention during the "healing rope" scene you'd know that he did not break batman's back, but rather caused a slipped disk.
2012-08-10 09:57:43 AM
1 votes:

TexanBoy: For me the thing I hated most was all the Bane overdubs they used. Like in the plane at the beginning, he sounds like he's in a studio, using his "inside voice." But he's talking in a ripped-in-half plane, instead of shouting over all the wind noise. And pretty much everywhere he talked, it sounded like that. Really took me out of the movie in a way I've never been taken out before...

I also lol'ed at "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER!!" But mostly cuz of the face Bale makes.


That is because they did use a studio voice dub. The original cut it was too hard to understand him, so they pumped up the voice.
2012-08-10 09:51:47 AM
1 votes:

thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.


Technically they don't say, but he is "dead" at the end of the movie so of course he doesn't have money. I believe in the conversation he has with Alfred about seeing him in that cafe someday there is mention of hidden European bank accounts.
2012-08-10 09:48:55 AM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies. I don't know about dual personalities, but different persona's where he has to act a certain way(he does go on at length about what batman is as if it's somewhat separate from him


I think you just don't understand the movies at all. The Dark Knight goes to great lengths discussion how "batman" isn't a person it is a concept. How the idiot masses need heroes and villains to cope with reality. That is why Bruce talks about "the batman" as a person removed from himself. He is just the vessel for the concept. He doesn't act for himself, he acts for the common good.

It is kind of a messianic complex, but he is a reluctant messiah for the people of Gotham.
2012-08-10 09:44:58 AM
1 votes:

Shazam999: thomps: Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?

They mentioned it in passing - the transactions would get reversed within a few days, but Wayne would be in the poor in the meantime.


Maybe they faked the timestamp on the Wayne transactions and did some other dummy transactions so that they would remove the dummy ones instead of the real ones.
2012-08-09 10:13:09 PM
1 votes:
I paid my money,
I was entertained,
I was promised nothing more
I expect nothing else.
2012-08-09 06:59:12 PM
1 votes:

TexanBoy: For me the thing I hated most was all the Bane overdubs they used. Like in the plane at the beginning, he sounds like he's in a studio, using his "inside voice." But he's talking in a ripped-in-half plane, instead of shouting over all the wind noise. And pretty much everywhere he talked, it sounded like that. Really took me out of the movie in a way I've never been taken out before...


Yeah, they really farked up his voice after people complained about having a hard time understanding him when the prologue was shown last year. I'll admit, it was difficult to pick everything up, but the voice was so much better. I'd rather they had added subtitles than messing with it.

Here's a comparison for people who never saw the original prologue.

Link
2012-08-09 05:21:06 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.


I don't see this as a bug. Nolan was clearly not trying to do a canonical DC batman, so complaining that characters don't match their canon depictions is kind of missing the point.

One of the great things about the Batman character is that the story is flexible enough to be told in innumerable ways and from innumerable angles, and non-canonical stories enhance that. It's like complaining that Red Son got Superman wrong because it he didn't land in Smallville.
2012-08-09 05:17:27 PM
1 votes:

Lord Dimwit: Yep. Pretty much this. If Bane had actually practiced what he preached - if he had been an anarchist trying to return Gotham to its people, but really just in it for the power trip or to totally bring down the system, that would have been awesome. They even played up that angle, when Bane was told he had been paid a small fortune, he says "and why would that give you any power over me?"

But instead it meant nothing. In the end, he was just a big guy who happened to wear a mask. His actions were meaningless.

Tying the movie back to the first one was a mistake, in my opinion.


Try watching it again but every time he talks about returning Gotham to the people, pretend Heath Ledger is alive and it is the Joker saying it. The movie makes more sense that way, in my opinion.

The Joker gives the city back, the Joker causes chaos... and Talia suddenly shanghai's his plot to serve her revenge purpose at the end, killing the Joker in cold blood.
2012-08-09 05:06:17 PM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: I read people like that dumb fark Harry Knowles complaining that Nolan completely screwed up what Batman or Bruce Wayne would have done. Yeah, well, tough shiat. These weren't laughable glitzy crap like the Schumacher films, and bizarre and fun yet completely stupid ones like Burton's. Nolan made his movies have much more of a tether to reality than most superhero stories.

I loved all three of the Nolan Batman films. The only problem I had with this one was Bane sounding like John Rhys-Davies doing a book-on-tape.


You didn't have a problem with Batman's voice? Him shouting at Bane "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER?" was as silly as Nicholas Cage shouting "HOW'D IT GET BURNT?" in the Wicker Man.
2012-08-09 04:54:52 PM
1 votes:
SPOILERS

I gotta admit, I couldn't feel anything for Bane. I couldn't get what his motivation was. Okay, if he was in the League of Shadows and wanted to destroy Gotham, why didn't he just, you know, destroy Gotham? They could've set that bomb off at any time and their mission would've been accomplished. Why wait the extra months where they just let Gotham go to hell? And I feel like the reasoning behind Bane's mask was pretty silly (and also that when it was disconnected he just kinda laid there - I would've expected screaming or something).

To be honest, I always thought the League of Shadows storyline was silly to begin with. The Dark Knight was so good in part because the Joker was a believable villain.
2012-08-09 04:54:44 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: I dug the voice. Creepy old man voice on a younger big bad guy. Up until they made him into the trivial henchman with the reveal.


Revealing Bane's accomplice did not demonstrate Bane himself to be a "trivial henchman". He was, at the very least, the second-in-command and he may have been a more-or-less equal collaborator.
2012-08-09 04:27:32 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: Here's the thing I don't get about Bane:

If he's a denizen of that decrepid hole-in-the-ground prison, which is apparently in some mysterious Asian location, why does he sound like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impersonation?


Maybe he was actually trying for an Egyptian accent?

/too obscure?
2012-08-09 04:24:59 PM
1 votes:
Here's the thing I don't get about Bane:

If he's a denizen of that decrepid hole-in-the-ground prison, which is apparently in some mysterious Asian location, why does he sound like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impersonation?
2012-08-09 03:54:27 PM
1 votes:
Lucius Fox: "Autopilot. I said, BRUCE, THE AUTOPILOT. Let's talk more about the autopilot and how that doesn't work even though it's completely irrelevant at the moment. BRUCE! Are you listening? I'm FORESHADOWING here! Not even the most oblivious audience member could possibly miss this, for when we do the fake death later..." [turns to camera] "Or could they?"
2012-08-09 03:39:24 PM
1 votes:

Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.


so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?
2012-08-09 03:32:44 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.


Nolan got the spirit of the characters right. His Scarecrow brought out the scientific side of the character. The Joker was literally a force of nature...both funny and scary at the same time. Two Face was really tragic figure pushed beyond the edge.

I thought Bane, Talia and Ras were done BETTER in the Nolan movies than the comics. Ras being a "James Bond" type villain never suited me for a hero that was more about crime. The twist of Ras being a head of an organization that fought crime in the worse way possible. I always thought Talia was lame. A writers conceit that their female character is the "love" of a continuing characters life. The fact that she was a vengeful daughter made her a much better character.

Bane literally was the man who took up Ras offer that Bruce rejected. It's an aspect of the character that the comic had overlooked for a while. His creator wanted Bane to be a villain who learned from his mistakes.

Catwoman was actually pitch perfect

But in the end-these characters were adapted to the story Nolan was telling..and it was done beautifully. A hell of a lot better than the more "comic-book" accurate Burton movies. Joker was just Jack being Jack. The penguin was an atrocity. Catwoman totally stupid.
2012-08-09 01:24:23 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.


They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.
 
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