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2012-08-10 09:48:55 AM  

omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies. I don't know about dual personalities, but different persona's where he has to act a certain way(he does go on at length about what batman is as if it's somewhat separate from him


I think you just don't understand the movies at all. The Dark Knight goes to great lengths discussion how "batman" isn't a person it is a concept. How the idiot masses need heroes and villains to cope with reality. That is why Bruce talks about "the batman" as a person removed from himself. He is just the vessel for the concept. He doesn't act for himself, he acts for the common good.

It is kind of a messianic complex, but he is a reluctant messiah for the people of Gotham.
 
2012-08-10 09:51:47 AM  

thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.


Technically they don't say, but he is "dead" at the end of the movie so of course he doesn't have money. I believe in the conversation he has with Alfred about seeing him in that cafe someday there is mention of hidden European bank accounts.
 
2012-08-10 09:57:43 AM  

TexanBoy: For me the thing I hated most was all the Bane overdubs they used. Like in the plane at the beginning, he sounds like he's in a studio, using his "inside voice." But he's talking in a ripped-in-half plane, instead of shouting over all the wind noise. And pretty much everywhere he talked, it sounded like that. Really took me out of the movie in a way I've never been taken out before...

I also lol'ed at "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER!!" But mostly cuz of the face Bale makes.


That is because they did use a studio voice dub. The original cut it was too hard to understand him, so they pumped up the voice.
 
2012-08-10 10:06:07 AM  
I could have done a little more with the back story of Bane's leadership of the League of Shadows, I felt the most impressive thing about him was his men's unquestionable loyalty to him. IMHO the best line of the movie was during the beginning where Bane says "No, they'll expect one of us in the wreckage brother" and his guy just sort of nods and prepares to die so that the authorities find a body.

Also, one thing that still irks me is the final scene, I didn't understand why they needed a huge brawl between the freed cops and Bane's men. It seems like a stealthy approach to disabling the bomb would be better, but if lets say you wanted a distraction or something, when you're divying up teams I feel like Batman should have been put on "team track down the nuclear bomb and deploy the jamming device" vs "team riotous mob and punching people in the face".
 
2012-08-10 10:08:20 AM  
DerAppie: bulldg4life: I thought it was kinda lame that Talia showed up only at the very end. She shows up and two seconds later the major bad guy from the whole movie is done in by a single batpod shot and that's it. I would've liked a grander final battle between Batman and Bane.

But she had to show up in some form or another. She was the only one who knew where the reactor was. As soon as bane('s henchmen) breached the wall and decided to bombify the thing, you should have known that she was evil.


It was even sooner than that. She slept with Bruce, after his 8 years of wallowing in self pity.

But Nolan didn't do enough make the viewer think she was the romantic interest, ala Rachel in the first two. She was in too many scenes, gets some booty, but nothing really develops beside her getting close to the machine which she's been harping on since the beginning. Talk about lights and sirens.

I knew as soon as she slept with Wayne that she was either going to be Banes right hand woman, or the reverse. Was pretty sure she'd reveal herself as Talia, but there wasn't any foreshadowing of that.
 
2012-08-10 10:12:36 AM  

Bullseyed: omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies. I don't know about dual personalities, but different persona's where he has to act a certain way(he does go on at length about what batman is as if it's somewhat separate from him

I think you just don't understand the movies at all. The Dark Knight goes to great lengths discussion how "batman" isn't a person it is a concept. How the idiot masses need heroes and villains to cope with reality. That is why Bruce talks about "the batman" as a person removed from himself. He is just the vessel for the concept. He doesn't act for himself, he acts for the common good.

It is kind of a messianic complex, but he is a reluctant messiah for the people of Gotham.


So, I don't understand, but you go on to paraphrase me....

Whatever dude.

Sane people don't put on that kind of complex at great personal cost/injury. He is unhinged. Hell, people equate normal eccentricity as crazy as a loon, this guy pretty much throws himself in front of a moving train on a regular basis, and you think that's completely rational?
 
2012-08-10 10:18:55 AM  

TyrantII: DerAppie: bulldg4life: I thought it was kinda lame that Talia showed up only at the very end. She shows up and two seconds later the major bad guy from the whole movie is done in by a single batpod shot and that's it. I would've liked a grander final battle between Batman and Bane.

But she had to show up in some form or another. She was the only one who knew where the reactor was. As soon as bane('s henchmen) breached the wall and decided to bombify the thing, you should have known that she was evil.

It was even sooner than that. She slept with Bruce, after his 8 years of wallowing in self pity.

But Nolan didn't do enough make the viewer think she was the romantic interest, ala Rachel in the first two. She was in too many scenes, gets some booty, but nothing really develops beside her getting close to the machine which she's been harping on since the beginning. Talk about lights and sirens.

I knew as soon as she slept with Wayne that she was either going to be Banes right hand woman, or the reverse. Was pretty sure she'd reveal herself as Talia, but there wasn't any foreshadowing of that.


Apart from all the comics and cartoons saying Raz had a daughter, not a son?
 
2012-08-10 10:19:14 AM  

bulldg4life: jonny_q: I loved that Scarecrow was putting on mock trials, but it would have been made more me if his lines were amped up a bit with a little more crazy. He was just too tame during those scenes.

Well, had Heath still been around...I'd assume that would be A+ perfect job for the Joker


There is zero chance that the Joker would play second fiddle to any other villain.
 
2012-08-10 10:27:13 AM  

DamnYankees: Most people would think "will Bane break his back?" If yes, that makes the scene predictable. If no, not.


Most people don't read comic books and had no idea that the comic book version of this story resulted in that outcome.

If you pay attention during the "healing rope" scene you'd know that he did not break batman's back, but rather caused a slipped disk.
 
2012-08-10 10:33:30 AM  

jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.


The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".
 
2012-08-10 10:34:41 AM  

DerAppie: Apart from all the comics and cartoons saying Raz had a daughter, not a son?


That recollection clicked in a little late for me.
I didn't read many of the comics, but the animated series did do a league of shadows arc where batman had a thing with the daughter.

/Didn't help that the magic Chiropractor kept referencing the boy and didn't seem to identify him with the Bane he worked on.
/Altho I think its Batman that made the bad connection.
/Nolans Bruce Wayne is alot more ninja than detective.
 
2012-08-10 12:02:43 PM  

Bullseyed: jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.

The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".


It's not the length of the rope that caused him to fail. It's the security that it provides that makes him unable to jump the gap. He needs the fear of death to help him succeed, as stated by the old man.
 
2012-08-10 02:09:42 PM  

Falco09: Bullseyed: jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.

The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".

It's not the length of the rope that caused him to fail. It's the security that it provides that makes him unable to jump the gap. He needs the fear of death to help him succeed, as stated by the old man.


Yeah I saw the movie, herp dur.

Physics says you can jump further without the rope. Friction and all of that. The "OH EM GEE EMOOOOTIONS" stuff that passes for science these days isn't real.
 
2012-08-10 02:33:01 PM  

Bullseyed: Falco09: Bullseyed: jonny_q: DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".

Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.

The first time they showed someone fail the jump I thought "the rope is too short... if they took off the rope they'd make it".

It's not the length of the rope that caused him to fail. It's the security that it provides that makes him unable to jump the gap. He needs the fear of death to help him succeed, as stated by the old man.

Yeah I saw the movie, herp dur.

Physics says you can jump further without the rope. Friction and all of that. The "OH EM GEE EMOOOOTIONS" stuff that passes for science these days isn't real.


But those are the best part!!!!!
 
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