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2012-08-09 07:39:06 PM  

omeganuepsilon: 1. It's not like it's a rule that you don't touch the projectile end, people do it all the time, even when loading. Know how I know you like to pretend to know what you're talking about? (it's glaringly obvious you didn't even do a GIS)(Info for ignorant fools.)


There's really no reason to be a dick. And there's no reason to think that one could pull a fingerprint off of the portion of a bullet that one doesn't even touch while loading.

And Jesus, you really are a dick. Damn.
 
2012-08-09 07:41:13 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I say this in every thread about Batman movies but, I should say it again anyway. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm was the best batman movie.


If we're bringing cartoons into the equation, I would make an argument for Under the Red Hood being the best self contained story.

There are going to be problems with comic book movies. No matter what. The scene with all the bats attacking in the first one. The entire boat drama of the second. I actually found almost no fault with the third and I liked Two Face in the second. He felt a bit more like Dent from the Long Halloween. As for Canon? Batman is barely canonical in the comics too. Dare I bring up Red Rain?

But what amazes me is thinking about this film in comparison with Spiderman 3, or Xmen 3. The release of this movie proves to me that A. Nolan was at least trying to make a good movie and a good trilogy. but B. The other writers were clearly trying to make terrible films on purpose. There's no other explanation. Nothing else makes sense.

We didn't have Bane doing a tap dance routine to try and impress Talia. Bane blew up bridges for actual reasons instead of...You know. I've never understood the bridge scene in Xmen 3. The movie was so bad on all levels that it gets lost in the shuffle.

Now if the only gripe we had about Spiderman 3 was that his voice was gravely while wearing the symbiote, we'd be much better for it.

Oh but I'm cereal. Under the Red Hood is great.
 
2012-08-09 07:55:37 PM  
I thought it was kinda lame that Talia showed up only at the very end. She shows up and two seconds later the major bad guy from the whole movie is done in by a single batpod shot and that's it. I would've liked a grander final battle between Batman and Bane.

Also, they should've gone full Inception on the ending and just had Alfred look up and smile. No need to show Bruce and Selina sitting at the table. Just make people assume.
 
2012-08-09 07:59:58 PM  

Lord Dimwit: odinsposse: thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.

They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.

Actually...did Wayne fake his own death? Batman fakes his own death, but when did Bruce Wayne die?


We do see a tombstone for Wayne in the denouement.
 
2012-08-09 08:13:13 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Batman is barely canonical in the comics too. Dare I bring up Red Rain?


Just to nit-pick, that is part of the Elseworlds non-canon stuff.
 
2012-08-09 08:28:25 PM  

bulldg4life: Also, they should've gone full Inception on the ending and just had Alfred look up and smile. No need to show Bruce and Selina sitting at the table. Just make people assume.


Well they set up that scene at the beginning, they had to have a payoff. Otherwise, Bruce could have just sent some emails telling Alfred and Lucious that he was alive. The only reason he didn't was for that scene.
 
2012-08-09 08:36:32 PM  
Yeah, but you get the hint with Bruce Wayne's ID for the autopilot software patch. And, from earlier in the movie, you have Alfred going to a cafe and looking up smile/nod. Leave it at that. From the point where you see Batman take a deep breath 5 seconds before the bomb explodes, there is no need to show Batman or Bruce for the rest of the movie.

Showing Bruce nod at Alfred is only for the same nitwits that won't admit that Tony Soprano is killed at the end of the TV show.
 
2012-08-09 08:42:14 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I read people like that dumb fark Harry Knowles complaining that Nolan completely screwed up what Batman or Bruce Wayne would have done. Yeah, well, tough shiat. These weren't laughable glitzy crap like the Schumacher films, and bizarre and fun yet completely stupid ones like Burton's. Nolan made his movies have much more of a tether to reality than most superhero stories.

I loved all three of the Nolan Batman films. The only problem I had with this one was Bane sounding like John Rhys-Davies doing a book-on-tape.


So we can suspend our disbelief for bullshiat flying tanks, but Bane using drugs, now that's too out of this world.
 
2012-08-09 08:53:25 PM  

bulldg4life: Yeah, but you get the hint with Bruce Wayne's ID for the autopilot software patch. And, from earlier in the movie, you have Alfred going to a cafe and looking up smile/nod. Leave it at that. From the point where you see Batman take a deep breath 5 seconds before the bomb explodes, there is no need to show Batman or Bruce for the rest of the movie.


I don't know, Alfred was such a blubbering crybaby through the whole film and him actually bumping into Bruce at the end was such a coincidence that I think it did have to be sort of spelled out or it would just be assumed that he was just having a senile hallucination.
 
2012-08-09 08:59:36 PM  

Mugato: Alfred was such a blubbering crybaby


Yeah, I didn't like that. He seemed perfectly fine telling Bruce to burn down the forest in the previous movie...but now he's worried.

Of course, I really don't like how Batman went from a little injured at the end of TDK to a crippled has-been in 8 years...while he recovered from a broken back in 5 months.
 
2012-08-09 09:01:51 PM  

bulldg4life: Mugato: Alfred was such a blubbering crybaby

Of course, I really don't like how Batman went from a little injured at the end of TDK to a crippled has-been in 8 years...while he recovered from a broken back in 5 months.


Bruce Wayne becomes crippled from his injuries.

The Goddamn Batman can survive a nuclear blast.

/You didn't really think that he ejected, did you?
//He SWAM to Italy and Selina met him there.
 
2012-08-09 09:03:44 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about the movie, the more I love it. The problems with it have nothing to do with plot holes, though.


I'm having the opposite problem. The more I think about the movie, the less I like it. I saw Spider-man the same weekend and liked Spider-man way more. The only thing that Batman had on Spider-man was that Spider-man was yet another origin story that I think we're all tired of. But other than that Spider-man wins in every category from plot to dialog to soundtrack to comic relief. And this is from a guy that thinks TDK is the best movie of all time, pretty much perfect in every way.
 
2012-08-09 09:06:06 PM  

jonny_q: And this is from a guy that thinks TDK is the best movie of all time, pretty much perfect in every way.


I'd say that is probably part of the issue. I mean, TDK was awesome. So, how does the sequel possibly live up to that? We know the story ends somehow and everybody knows it is some sort of death or Bruce passing "Batman" on.

If we go in to TDKR thinking that TDK was pretty much perfect in any way, I just don't see how we can expect the last movie to be something other than a bit of a let down
 
2012-08-09 09:08:29 PM  
Dark Knight Rises was farking over rated, Prometheus was a better film.
 
2012-08-09 09:09:27 PM  
I find it odd people say Nolan's Batman films should be like it is in the comics.

Why?

You never hear biatching of this magnitude with the Arkham games or when DC hires a team to do their own take on the character and his world.
 
2012-08-09 09:13:47 PM  

jonny_q: DamnYankees: The more I think about the movie, the more I love it. The problems with it have nothing to do with plot holes, though.

I'm having the opposite problem. The more I think about the movie, the less I like it. I saw Spider-man the same weekend and liked Spider-man way more. The only thing that Batman had on Spider-man was that Spider-man was yet another origin story that I think we're all tired of. But other than that Spider-man wins in every category from plot to dialog to soundtrack to comic relief. And this is from a guy that thinks TDK is the best movie of all time, pretty much perfect in every way.


Ugh. I saw Spiderman this weekend. It has everyone I like. Andrew Garfield? Awesome. Martin Sheen? Love. Emma Stone? I don't have the words. But it was just. so. bland. Oy.
 
2012-08-09 09:13:55 PM  

jonny_q: I saw Spider-man the same weekend and liked Spider-man way more


Really? With all the griping I did about the minutia of the film, TDKR at least tried to tell a story and had real character moments and some surprises. Spider-Man was just a cynical by-the-numbers run through made only so that Sony could avoid giving the rights of the property back to Marvel.
 
2012-08-09 09:16:20 PM  

Kaybeck: I find it odd people say Nolan's Batman films should be like it is in the comics.

Why?

You never hear biatching of this magnitude with the Arkham games or when DC hires a team to do their own take on the character and his world.


I for one only had a problem with Two-Face. I thought all the other villains were fine despite not following the source material at all. Most were better than their comic book brethren.
 
2012-08-09 09:19:08 PM  

bulldg4life: If we go in to TDKR thinking that TDK was pretty much perfect in any way, I just don't see how we can expect the last movie to be something other than a bit of a let down


I tried not to get my hopes up...

I couldn't understand Bane half the time. That's partly the fault of the theater I was in. The scene where Bane breaks Batman's back - and we knew this was coming from the comics and such - was so poorly framed you could barely tell what was going on. The lighting was poor too (that was part of the scene), but this was supposed to be a very gripping, emotional part of the movie. But how do they end this intense, emotional scene? With a close-up of Anne Hathaway mildly gasping with her hand over her mouth.

I loved that Scarecrow was putting on mock trials, but it would have been made more me if his lines were amped up a bit with a little more crazy. He was just too tame during those scenes.

Spider-man on the other hand had awesome panoramic, colorful city shots, both in daytime and nighttime. The use of piano music during some of the more action-oriented scenes caught me off guard and I loved it. The first-person view of spiderman was awesome, and they didn't stick with it ad nauseum, panning smoothly out to a third-person view of Spider-man landing on the side of a building. And Stan Lee's cameo was priceless in this one.

I could rant forever.. and I don't want to be that guy... Batman is my favorite superhero for a bunch of reasons, but it's really sucks that it's the third best superhero movie so far this year.
 
2012-08-09 09:21:56 PM  

jonny_q: I loved that Scarecrow was putting on mock trials, but it would have been made more me if his lines were amped up a bit with a little more crazy. He was just too tame during those scenes.


Well, had Heath still been around...I'd assume that would be A+ perfect job for the Joker
 
2012-08-09 09:22:56 PM  

Mugato: Really? With all the griping I did about the minutia of the film, TDKR at least tried to tell a story and had real character moments and some surprises. Spider-Man was just a cynical by-the-numbers run through made only so that Sony could avoid giving the rights of the property back to Marvel.


You may have a point (or two, even) but Batman was more predictable.

DamnYankees: Ugh. I saw Spiderman this weekend. It has everyone I like. Andrew Garfield? Awesome. Martin Sheen? Love. Emma Stone? I don't have the words. But it was just. so. bland. Oy.


My only gripe in that respect is that Martin Sheen shat all over his most emotional, pivotal line in the movie. I'll concede to predictable, but I otherwise didn't think it was "bland"
 
2012-08-09 09:26:39 PM  
So, without having yet seen it (I got a lot of stuff going on and don't get out to the movies much):

Does Fark love or not love this movie?

It's always interesting (to me) to find out the answer to that ...
 
2012-08-09 09:29:17 PM  

jonny_q: You may have a point (or two, even) but Batman was more predictable.


Really? I didn't know that Wayne would lose his fortune, that Catwoman would turn out to be a sympathetic character, that that one chick was actually Talia al Ghul and that Batman didn't die at the end. Spider-Man however, was beat by beat predictable before I bought the ticket, not even counting that we saw at least half of it before 10 years ago.
 
2012-08-09 09:29:21 PM  

Skwrl: So, without having yet seen it (I got a lot of stuff going on and don't get out to the movies much):

Does Fark love or not love this movie?

It's always interesting (to me) to find out the answer to that ...


While the consensus thus far trends toward a positive reception, the official Internet opinion has not yet been finalized.
 
2012-08-09 09:32:29 PM  

Skwrl: Does Fark love or not love this movie?


Well I'd like to think that I'm not part of the Fark collective, that resistance is futile but I liked it a lot, despite its flaws. I think it was a more ambitious movie story-wise than The Avengers but probably not as entertaining. But it was miles ahead of Spider-Man.
 
2012-08-09 09:33:02 PM  

Mugato: jonny_q: You may have a point (or two, even) but Batman was more predictable.

Really? I didn't know that Wayne would lose his fortune, that Catwoman would turn out to be a sympathetic character, that that one chick was actually Talia al Ghul and that Batman didn't die at the end. Spider-Man however, was beat by beat predictable before I bought the ticket, not even counting that we saw at least half of it before 10 years ago.


I hate accusation of 'predictability', because they are always so narrow. Take, for example, the scene where Batman fights Bane in the sewers. How to examine it from a perspective of 'predictability'?

Most people would think "will Bane break his back?" If yes, that makes the scene predictable. If no, not.

But that's not film! Film is so much more than that. You want to know why that scene was incredibly unpredictable?

I didn't predict Nolan would not use a music cue.
I didn't predict he would take this moment to really let Wayne, as a character, fight to the limit.
I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".
I didn't predict this would be one of the most raw scenes of fear I'd have in the theaters all year, as we really begin to understand that Batman is going to lose.

TDKR was anything but 'predictable', if you understand that plot has very, very little to do with the meaning of that term.
 
2012-08-09 09:33:50 PM  

Skwrl: Does Fark love or not love this movie?


I think we're basically nitpicking over whether it's a 3/5 star or 4/5 star movie. I don't know anyone that says it was flawless (except for a few less geeky, casual fans) or people that hate it (except non-geeks it's not intended for)
 
2012-08-09 09:38:02 PM  

DamnYankees: I didn't predict Bane would say the brilliant line "victory has defeated you".


Hot fark I would I would have understood that line. It would have been better for me. I'm still not crazy about that scene, though.

Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.
 
2012-08-09 09:41:36 PM  

DamnYankees: TDKR was anything but 'predictable', if you understand that plot has very, very little to do with the meaning of that term.


One of the parts that came out of the blue was when Batman 'returned' for the first time and just drove around like an asshole for a while then flew around on his Batcopter. I was thinking, "what a farking stupid, pointless series of events," when Alfred chewed him out for being a jackass.
 
2012-08-09 09:44:16 PM  

jonny_q: Regarding predictability... There was nearly 30 minutes of the movie I spent thinking "Ok, here's part where they chant and he fails the climb two more times before he miraculously succeeds" I'll say that Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise during that part of the movie.


Well yeah, of course he was going to make it on the third try without the rope and of course there was going to be a montage of him training and homo-erotically running on the beach with Ra's al Ghul's ghost (I may be mixing some of this up with Rocky 3) and he'd defeat Bane at the end but I mean the larger picture, the major story points weren't as predictable as The Avengers or Spider-Man.
 
2012-08-09 09:45:49 PM  
Okay, if he was in the League of Shadows and wanted to destroy Gotham, why didn't he just, you know, destroy Gotham?

In Batman Begins, the League of Shadows is shown to be a vigilante organization that wants to destroy Gotham because it is corrupt and lawless.

In the Dark Knight Rises, the League of Shadows wants to destroy Gotham, because, well, fark Bruce Wayne. Fark that guy.
 
2012-08-09 09:57:24 PM  

sendtodave: Okay, if he was in the League of Shadows and wanted to destroy Gotham, why didn't he just, you know, destroy Gotham?

In Batman Begins, the League of Shadows is shown to be a vigilante organization that wants to destroy Gotham because it is corrupt and lawless.

In the Dark Knight Rises, the League of Shadows wants to destroy Gotham, because, well, fark Bruce Wayne. Fark that guy.


Fulfilling the ambition of Ra's Al Ghul was an excuse. Vengeance against Bruce Wayne was the goal.
 
2012-08-09 10:01:52 PM  

Dimensio: Fulfilling the ambition of Ra's Al Ghul was an excuse. Vengeance against Bruce Wayne was the goal.


So, really, Bane, Ra's great pupil, and Talia, his own daughter, destroyed the very meaning of his life's work, turning the League into just another mercenary group.

Good for them!
 
2012-08-09 10:09:27 PM  

sendtodave: Dimensio: Fulfilling the ambition of Ra's Al Ghul was an excuse. Vengeance against Bruce Wayne was the goal.

So, really, Bane, Ra's great pupil, and Talia, his own daughter, destroyed the very meaning of his life's work, turning the League into just another mercenary group.

Good for them!


Ras was using the league like it had always been used. From the shadows.
His daughter was "too extreme", and set about wrecking the place openly with guns and bombs.

The leagues whole founding point was that Gotham (a civilization at the peak of decadence, like Rome and London) had to fall. That never changed.
They just disagreed on method.
 
2012-08-09 10:13:09 PM  
I paid my money,
I was entertained,
I was promised nothing more
I expect nothing else.
 
2012-08-09 11:26:28 PM  

jonny_q: I loved that Scarecrow was putting on mock trials, but it would have been made more me if his lines were amped up a bit with a little more crazy. He was just too tame during those scenes.


I loved that he was in all 3 movies but agree, he was tamed down far too much in the last 2.

He was more of an ankle biter miniature than the big dog that barks all night and growls when you walk by. An annoyance to be swatted aside, that is all. Could have been much more, but the persistence was appreciated.

jonny_q: I couldn't understand Bane half the time. That's partly the fault of the theater I was in. The scene where Bane breaks Batman's back - and we knew this was coming from the comics and such - was so poorly framed you could barely tell what was going on. The lighting was poor too (that was part of the scene), but this was supposed to be a very gripping, emotional part of the movie. But how do they end this intense, emotional scene? With a close-up of Anne Hathaway mildly gasping with her hand over her mouth.


Yes, poor quality did ruin some of the film for me as well. When it comes out on BR, it'll be like seeing it for the first time. I just wanted to see it to avoid the spoiler effect. Couldn't hardly get on fark without so many spoilers.

Some of the things with dark scenes, you never know if it's the theater set-up or not. Some places negligently leave filters on for other digital formats and whatnot. I'm reserving judgement until I see it in HD that I can control. Good point on the actual drama and characters though, was a bit of a sub-par moment all around.

Mugato: There's really no reason to be a dick.


You got caught blatantly making shiat up in an effort to belittle other people's opinions.

I'm the dick? Look in a mirror lately?

In fact, what you did was so dick-like, I'll re-cap, you know, so you stop being a denialist:

Mugato: He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it?


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2012-08-09 11:37:07 PM  

omeganuepsilon: n fact, what you did was so dick-like, I'll re-cap, you know, so you stop being a denialist:Mugato: He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it?


Heh, I use my hard-on for that. Maybe you use your thumb
 
2012-08-09 11:59:33 PM  
Spiderman is my favorite superhero and I really enjoyed the new spiderman, first time in a movie spiderman has actually fought like spiderman, they didn't try to force in every single spiderman character into one movie, the villian didn't look like a power ranger, etc etc. Having said that, I think I enjoyed TDKR more, although I did see it in a proper IMAX and had none of the issues with it being too dark that some people are complaining about. There were only two lines of Bane's that I couldn't understand the first time through and I was able to catch both of them the second time around. Best Bane line has to be when he sets his hand on Daggett "do you feel in control?"
 
2012-08-10 12:00:00 AM  
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They also left out the scenes where he was pumping himself full of steroids.
 
2012-08-10 12:09:08 AM  

Dr Dreidel: <SPOILER>
And to be Batman's redemption, but she was so totally half-assing the "criminal" part of being Catwoman (you know, what with the laserlike focus on wiping out her history) that she seems more like one of the cops trapped under the city than an integral part of the story. Her purpose was to validate Bruce's desire to not be Batman any more.
</SPOILER>


I really liked that she was already over her past to some degree while leading Bruce, in whatever way, away from his. Her role basically seemed to be to remind him he was still alive, and not to let something he used to be control his entire life. She seemed to be in a similar situation, where she just wanted her past to be her past so she could start a new life.

Plus, it gave her character the motivation to love Bruce Wayne for what he could do for her. He was able to make their pasts go away, and start over as whoever they wanted to be.

That's how I took it anyway. Maybe I missed something, but I just thought the whole movie was set up where they wanted the same thing even if their methods were completely different how they achieved them. He was born rich, she had to steal for what she had. He didn't kill, she was happy to use guns. Yin/Yang or something.

Overall, I thought it worked as a Batman/Catwoman movie. It felt like Bain was only there because they needed a bad guy to make it about.
 
2012-08-10 12:21:28 AM  

RoyBatty: omeganuepsilon: n fact, what you did was so dick-like, I'll re-cap, you know, so you stop being a denialist:Mugato: He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it?

Heh, I use my hard-on for that. Maybe you use your thumb


So many options....

That's only because the thimble fits right on the tip of it.

or

I honestly never thought of that, but the doctor said to not over extend my arms or lift anything heavy.

or

So the tuna can reference your mom made wasn't only about the shape of it?

or

Of course I use my thumbs, I don't want to flatten the rounds.

/indecisive when it comes to penis jokes
 
2012-08-10 12:35:06 AM  

limboslam: They also left out the scenes where he was pumping himself full of steroids.


I never really heard of Tom Hardy before TDKR, but I don't remember any Bane like person in Inception.

That could be because Hardy was wearing 3" heels in TDKR, but I was wondering where the stories were of how Hardy bulked up.
 
2012-08-10 12:57:51 AM  

cgraves67: Here's the thing I don't get about Bane:

If he's a denizen of that decrepid hole-in-the-ground prison, which is apparently in some mysterious Asian location, why does he sound like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impersonation?


Considering that Sean Connery once played a Spaniard by way of Japan with a Scottish accent, I think you just answered your own question.

/mmmmummmm merrhen dummish permission to die.
 
2012-08-10 03:15:24 AM  
There are certain franchises that I'm typically a purist fanboy for... And Batman is one of them.

Having said that, I don't see why people give the Nolan trilogy a hard time. He took creative liberties with the characters to make them more believable... big deal. Taken as separate properties, all three of the movies work. They just do. Taken as a single entity, the trilogy is a masterpiece.

SPOILERS

I've always thought of Bane as a stretch. I remember thinking that the Knightfall storyline didn't make sense. Bane came straight out of left field (well, Santa Prisca, but close enough) and picked Batman's world apart. With the venom, he always had the power to destroy Batman physically, but instead opted to wear him down, destroy him mentally, and force an ultimate confrontation, where honestly, Bane should have killed him. If anything, Nolan makes this work better in TDKR, and the vengeance plot adds better justification for leaving him alive and broken. Mixing the plot from TDKR and Knightfall, killing Wayne's Batman allows Jean-Paul Valley's more violent Batman freer reign to destroy everything Wayne built (further validating what would be the League of Shadows' overall goal), rather than allowing Bruce Wayne to recover and reclaim the cowl. If anything, comic book Bane was more of an empty plot device for DC to capitalize on the early 90's craze of killing off superheroes. Nolan's Bane has more character depth as an executive lieutenant to Talia al-Ghul in a two-hour movie than original comic Bane had over the entire run of Knightfall as a medical experiment -turned- criminal mastermind.

The often-mentioned gripe about why the League of Shadows didn't just destroy Gotham is probably the easiest one to counter. The League needed the world to see Gotham in chaos. It wasn't enough to destroy the city. They had to be an example. All three movies shared this thread of needing Gotham in an anarchical state. Scarecrow's toxin as weaponized fear and Joker's plot to have citizens or prisoners destroy one another work equally as a vehicle for the League of Shadows to put Gotham on trial. If Joker succeeds in getting "civilized" Gothamites to succumb to mass murder, it further validates the condemnation Ra's al-Ghul and the League had already decided in Batman Begins. In TDKR, Bane takes over the city, gives the citizens false hope of rescue or renewal, and lets the city devolve into that anarchy while the rest of the world watches helplessly. If anything, this plot better demonstrates what the League had in mind because it isn't chemically-induced, but driven solely by human nature.

As far as the prison imagery, why is it so far-fetched to think that a group of wretched, broken men would trust in a leap of faith for their salvation, rather than using technological means at their disposal for their escape? This is already a reality where a man dressed as a bat can easily hide his identity by using cough drop voice and a mask that doesn't even cover his whole face, and few people even blink to wonder where he gets those wonderful toys. Is it really that much of a stretch to think that a group of prisoners, put there by an organization as fanatical as the League of Shadows, and a man who inspires so much fear and respect as to command a comrade to plummet to his death in a broken aircraft, would do little more than simply go through the motions? There are already terror groups that inspire much more fear in people than that. If you really stop and think about it, most of civilized humanity does the exact same thing... plod along day-to-day, trusting in those little leaps of faith. It's an allegory to Bruce Wayne/Batman's entire existence, which is really the point people seem to miss when they're picking it apart. Batman was broken long before Bane put him in that pit. He needed to hit rock bottom, while his watching his entire world descended into chaos, simply so he could climb back out of the hole. It's clumsy imagery in a character property built on the back of clumsy imagery, yet people seem to still miss it.

I know I'm reading too much into this... Sue me. I thought the trilogy was an amazing interpretation.
 
2012-08-10 04:41:13 AM  

bulldg4life: I thought it was kinda lame that Talia showed up only at the very end. She shows up and two seconds later the major bad guy from the whole movie is done in by a single batpod shot and that's it. I would've liked a grander final battle between Batman and Bane.


But she had to show up in some form or another. She was the only one who knew where the reactor was. As soon as bane('s henchmen) breached the wall and decided to bombify the thing, you should have known that she was evil.
 
2012-08-10 08:44:35 AM  

DamnYankees: thecpt: Lord Dimwit: "and why would that give you any power over me?"

I think the line was "do you really feel like you're in control"

Yeah his motivations were weak sauce but I still really liked him and thought he inspired fear.

I saw it again yesterday. The exact lines were:

Dagget: I've paid you a very large amount of money!
Bane: ...and this gives you power over me?


I saw it a second time recently and there's also a bit of Talia foreshadowing... before this line is said, when Talia meets Dagget at Bruce's ball, when he tries to hit on her she says something about "all your money and the power you think it buys you." Very similar to the line you quoted, just rearranged.
 
2012-08-10 09:17:32 AM  

Lord Dimwit: SPOILERS

I gotta admit, I couldn't feel anything for Bane. I couldn't get what his motivation was. Okay, if he was in the League of Shadows and wanted to destroy Gotham, why didn't he just, you know, destroy Gotham? They could've set that bomb off at any time and their mission would've been accomplished. Why wait the extra months where they just let Gotham go to hell? And I feel like the reasoning behind Bane's mask was pretty silly (and also that when it was disconnected he just kinda laid there - I would've expected screaming or something).

To be honest, I always thought the League of Shadows storyline was silly to begin with. The Dark Knight was so good in part because the Joker was a believable villain.


As he explains to Bruce in the prison, a sliver of hope is the ultimate hell. The hope of escaping the prison/the hope of revolution for the citizens in Gotham is torture because neither will come to pass. Bane wants the absolute worst for Bruce and Gotham.
 
2012-08-10 09:27:33 AM  

RoyBatty: limboslam: They also left out the scenes where he was pumping himself full of steroids.

I never really heard of Tom Hardy before TDKR, but I don't remember any Bane like person in Inception.

That could be because Hardy was wearing 3" heels in TDKR, but I was wondering where the stories were of how Hardy bulked up.


He was already pumped up pretty big for Warrior, although he put on another 30 lbs. for Bane.

collider.com

Talk about a physical transformation, this was him 10 years ago.

img.photobucket.com

Pretty good article here.
 
2012-08-10 09:44:58 AM  

Shazam999: thomps: Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?

They mentioned it in passing - the transactions would get reversed within a few days, but Wayne would be in the poor in the meantime.


Maybe they faked the timestamp on the Wayne transactions and did some other dummy transactions so that they would remove the dummy ones instead of the real ones.
 
2012-08-10 09:47:14 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Lucius Fox: "Autopilot. I said, BRUCE, THE AUTOPILOT. Let's talk more about the autopilot and how that doesn't work even though it's completely irrelevant at the moment. BRUCE! Are you listening? I'm FORESHADOWING here! Not even the most oblivious audience member could possibly miss this, for when we do the fake death later..." [turns to camera] "Or could they?"


Titty sprinkles.

/oblig
 
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