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2012-08-09 05:04:40 PM

Lord Dimwit: I gotta admit, I couldn't feel anything for Bane. I couldn't get what his motivation was. Okay, if he was in the League of Shadows and wanted to destroy Gotham, why didn't he just, you know, destroy Gotham? They could've set that bomb off at any time and their mission would've been accomplished. Why wait the extra months where they just let Gotham go to hell?


It was the same reasoning as putting Wayne in a prison with a possible escape route that wasn't really possible. To really fark someone up, they have to have a little hope that's always crushed. So his and Talia's plan was to string the city along and make them think that they were going to be okay and even get back at the corrupt people and then tell them that they're going to die anyway. It's called sadism.

thecpt: Or he could have subbed it out to a firm that had no clue what they were looking at other than faulty code.


Nothing that Lucious couldn't have done. It was a goofy plot device is all, I liked the movie overall. It just could have used one more pass in the screenwriting dept.
 
2012-08-09 05:06:17 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I read people like that dumb fark Harry Knowles complaining that Nolan completely screwed up what Batman or Bruce Wayne would have done. Yeah, well, tough shiat. These weren't laughable glitzy crap like the Schumacher films, and bizarre and fun yet completely stupid ones like Burton's. Nolan made his movies have much more of a tether to reality than most superhero stories.

I loved all three of the Nolan Batman films. The only problem I had with this one was Bane sounding like John Rhys-Davies doing a book-on-tape.


You didn't have a problem with Batman's voice? Him shouting at Bane "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER?" was as silly as Nicholas Cage shouting "HOW'D IT GET BURNT?" in the Wicker Man.
 
2012-08-09 05:09:33 PM

almandot: Everyone keeps saying they nailed catwoman(I know I'd like to HEY-OOOOOO) but wtf with the end? She found her dream man and just gave up her life of crime and questionably dumped girls?


I think the scene in Batman Returns with Keaton and Pfieffer at the ball was a lot cooler than the characters' interactions in TDKR. It was a masquerade ball and they were the only ones not wearing masks but they were the only ones who were wearing masks and then they discovered each other's true identity. Sure the cats bringing her back to life was farking stupid but that one scene was badass.
 
2012-08-09 05:11:27 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: AdolfOliverPanties: I read people like that dumb fark Harry Knowles complaining that Nolan completely screwed up what Batman or Bruce Wayne would have done. Yeah, well, tough shiat. These weren't laughable glitzy crap like the Schumacher films, and bizarre and fun yet completely stupid ones like Burton's. Nolan made his movies have much more of a tether to reality than most superhero stories.

I loved all three of the Nolan Batman films. The only problem I had with this one was Bane sounding like John Rhys-Davies doing a book-on-tape.

You didn't have a problem with Batman's voice? Him shouting at Bane "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER?" was as silly as Nicholas Cage shouting "HOW'D IT GET BURNT?" in the Wicker Man.


Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.
 
2012-08-09 05:11:46 PM
I say this in every thread about Batman movies but, I should say it again anyway. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm was the best batman movie.
 
2012-08-09 05:13:35 PM

thecpt: Lord Dimwit: "and why would that give you any power over me?"

I think the line was "do you really feel like you're in control"

Yeah his motivations were weak sauce but I still really liked him and thought he inspired fear.


I saw it again yesterday. The exact lines were:

Dagget: I've paid you a very large amount of money!
Bane: ...and this gives you power over me?
 
2012-08-09 05:14:17 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.


I don't get it. Him screaming "WHERE ARE THEY" is one of my absolute favorite scenes in that movie.
 
2012-08-09 05:17:26 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.


Really? I thought it was worse in TDKR because in this one he actually had some dramatic lines to read, which were undercut by the gravelly voice. In Batman Begins he had a Bat-voice but it wasn't nearly as pronounced.

And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.
 
2012-08-09 05:17:27 PM

Lord Dimwit: Yep. Pretty much this. If Bane had actually practiced what he preached - if he had been an anarchist trying to return Gotham to its people, but really just in it for the power trip or to totally bring down the system, that would have been awesome. They even played up that angle, when Bane was told he had been paid a small fortune, he says "and why would that give you any power over me?"

But instead it meant nothing. In the end, he was just a big guy who happened to wear a mask. His actions were meaningless.

Tying the movie back to the first one was a mistake, in my opinion.


Try watching it again but every time he talks about returning Gotham to the people, pretend Heath Ledger is alive and it is the Joker saying it. The movie makes more sense that way, in my opinion.

The Joker gives the city back, the Joker causes chaos... and Talia suddenly shanghai's his plot to serve her revenge purpose at the end, killing the Joker in cold blood.
 
2012-08-09 05:18:27 PM

DamnYankees: I don't get it. Him screaming "WHERE ARE THEY" is one of my absolute favorite scenes in that movie.


Yeah, he was LOSING IT in that scene. Gordon even noted that he wasn't in control. That scene was so mesmerizing I didn't even think of it comically.
 
2012-08-09 05:18:27 PM

Lord Dimwit: Yep. Pretty much this. If Bane had actually practiced what he preached - if he had been an anarchist trying to return Gotham to its people, but really just in it for the power trip or to totally bring down the system, that would have been awesome. They even played up that angle, when Bane was told he had been paid a small fortune, he says "and why would that give you any power over me?"

But instead it meant nothing. In the end, he was just a big guy who happened to wear a mask. His actions were meaningless.

Tying the movie back to the first one was a mistake, in my opinion.


I would have been much happier had there been an internal conflict between Talia and Bane, because Talia was motivated by revenge while Bane was motivated by idealism. Then again, that would have added an hour to the movie.
 
2012-08-09 05:20:02 PM
I don't really need any more Bane back story. What I need is more of a ramp up to the populist uprising in Gotham and more Batman/Catwoman interaction to make that relationship seem like it matters.
 
2012-08-09 05:20:20 PM
Catwoman also could've used a little bit of backstory. The clean slate thing just seemed to MacGuffin-ey to me. But I don't know how they could do her and Bane properly without the movie getting ridiculously long.
 
2012-08-09 05:20:53 PM

Mugato: And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.


I think his cowl makes him speak like that automatically. Like, it has a voice modulator in it. That's my explanation - he put that in so he didn't have to really think about it, but it means he has to talk that way even if people know who he is.
 
2012-08-09 05:21:06 PM

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.


I don't see this as a bug. Nolan was clearly not trying to do a canonical DC batman, so complaining that characters don't match their canon depictions is kind of missing the point.

One of the great things about the Batman character is that the story is flexible enough to be told in innumerable ways and from innumerable angles, and non-canonical stories enhance that. It's like complaining that Red Son got Superman wrong because it he didn't land in Smallville.
 
2012-08-09 05:21:37 PM

Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.

Really? I thought it was worse in TDKR because in this one he actually had some dramatic lines to read, which were undercut by the gravelly voice. In Batman Begins he had a Bat-voice but it wasn't nearly as pronounced.

And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.


Most people wisely put it up to a voice scrambler he wears. Or he stays in character at all times, mainly because he's never know who's listening.
 
2012-08-09 05:21:49 PM

sprawl15: Lord Dimwit: Yep. Pretty much this. If Bane had actually practiced what he preached - if he had been an anarchist trying to return Gotham to its people, but really just in it for the power trip or to totally bring down the system, that would have been awesome. They even played up that angle, when Bane was told he had been paid a small fortune, he says "and why would that give you any power over me?"

But instead it meant nothing. In the end, he was just a big guy who happened to wear a mask. His actions were meaningless.

Tying the movie back to the first one was a mistake, in my opinion.

I would have been much happier had there been an internal conflict between Talia and Bane, because Talia was motivated by revenge while Bane was motivated by idealism. Then again, that would have added an hour to the movie.


See, I didn't even get that from Bane. I don't think he was motivated by idealism - I think he was just Talia's willing toy the whole time. I don't think she promised him anything.
 
2012-08-09 05:22:18 PM

Mugato: And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.


Haven't you seen The Prestige? You never, ever break character!
 
2012-08-09 05:22:52 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Mugato: And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.

Haven't you seen The Prestige? You never, ever break character!


Catwoman wants to be...fooled.
 
2012-08-09 05:24:47 PM

Lord Dimwit: See, I didn't even get that from Bane. I don't think he was motivated by idealism - I think he was just Talia's willing toy the whole time. I don't think she promised him anything.


I meant that part as what I would have liked to have seen.
 
2012-08-09 05:28:29 PM

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.


My niece was giving me the run down on this last night.

I kept on saying, "But Cesar Romero's Joker did have makeup!"
 
2012-08-09 05:29:34 PM

DamnYankees: thecpt: Lord Dimwit: "and why would that give you any power over me?"

I think the line was "do you really feel like you're in control"

Yeah his motivations were weak sauce but I still really liked him and thought he inspired fear.

I saw it again yesterday. The exact lines were:

Dagget: I've paid you a very large amount of money!
Bane: ...and this gives you power over me?


Hmmmm. I heard :TSSSHH DSHH YOU Pahwuh ovah me?
 
2012-08-09 05:32:17 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.

Really? I thought it was worse in TDKR because in this one he actually had some dramatic lines to read, which were undercut by the gravelly voice. In Batman Begins he had a Bat-voice but it wasn't nearly as pronounced.

And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.

Most people wisely put it up to a voice scrambler he wears. Or he stays in character at all times, mainly because he's never know who's listening.


Also, he's a mouth breather in the mask with his nose covered. Which always gives him the 'I'm on a respirator' language pauses...
 
2012-08-09 05:32:45 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Mugato: And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.

Haven't you seen The Prestige? You never, ever break character!


Yeah, fair enough. It's not even a complaint I thought of until so many people brought it up. It is a bit distracting but the Bat-voice in the Keaton films is is a happy medium.


Some 'Splainin' To Do: I don't see this as a bug. Nolan was clearly not trying to do a canonical DC batman, so complaining that characters don't match their canon depictions is kind of missing the point.


Yeah and Ra's Al Ghul is pretty far from the book version because in the semi-realistic Nolan-verse, there aren't any immortal villains who dip in a Lazarus Pit. But Two-Face isn't that supernatural a character and they could have got him right without going all Man-Bat supernatural. But whatever.
 
2012-08-09 05:34:27 PM

thomps: Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?


They mentioned it in passing - the transactions would get reversed within a few days, but Wayne would be in the poor in the meantime.
 
2012-08-09 05:35:07 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.

Really? I thought it was worse in TDKR because in this one he actually had some dramatic lines to read, which were undercut by the gravelly voice. In Batman Begins he had a Bat-voice but it wasn't nearly as pronounced.

And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.

Most people wisely put it up to a voice scrambler he wears. Or he stays in character at all times, mainly because he's never know who's listening.


[again possible spoilers, can't we just tag recent movies with this in the title somewhere?]

I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies. I don't know about dual personalities, but different persona's where he has to act a certain way(he does go on at length about what batman is as if it's somewhat separate from him, and it's covered in the new film by the rookie cop, anger hidden by a smile, etc) [Recently saw the South Park where Butters gets diagnosed for playing games and assuming a persona....maybe Batman just takes it seriously?]. Can't be the God Damned Batman and sound exactly like Bruce Wayne either, they went to great lengths to keep his identity unknown for obvious reasons.

Either way it's explainable and I'm not sure why everyone takes issue with it or just think it's silly(If that's the case, why are they watching comic book movies where most of the franchise was much much more silly?). There are a plethora of logical reasons for a different voice. Who should be amazed that it's a growl? I mean, if he lisped it wouldn't be very fitting, or squeeky, or sounded like a leatherfaced 3 pack a day breathy truckstop waitress...
 
2012-08-09 05:35:45 PM

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.


The Joker and Two-Face in The Dark Knight were believable and realistic. I'm not saying I read comics for the realism, but it certainly helps sometimes.

(Honestly, though, that's why I've always had Batman as my favorite hero - he's completely believable. He's just zis guy, you know? That's why I liked The Dark Knight and Batman: The Animated Series, because they had both believable villains and, unlike the comics, didn't have the whole DC Universe behind them. In a world with Superman and The Flash, why do you need Batman?)

(The answer being, of course, that Batman is awesome. Also, I loved Superman: Red Son's take on Batman, which was very believable in the context of the story.)

(For anyone out there who likes comics but hasn't read Superman: Red Son and you're over the age of about...25...it is the best Superman story ever written.)
 
2012-08-09 05:37:09 PM

Mugato: And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is


That literally had me laughing out loud at the movie.
 
2012-08-09 05:38:31 PM

Shazam999: thomps: Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?

They mentioned it in passing - the transactions would get reversed within a few days, but Wayne would be in the poor in the meantime.


i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.
 
2012-08-09 05:42:00 PM

thomps: Shazam999: thomps: Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?

They mentioned it in passing - the transactions would get reversed within a few days, but Wayne would be in the poor in the meantime.

i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.


Months, days, whatever. He was supposed to get his money back eventually.
 
2012-08-09 05:46:34 PM

thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.


They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:33 PM

odinsposse: thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.

They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.


Actually...did Wayne fake his own death? Batman fakes his own death, but when did Bruce Wayne die?
 
2012-08-09 05:49:00 PM

odinsposse: thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.

They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.


oh yeah, i forgot about that.
 
2012-08-09 05:49:50 PM

Lord Dimwit: odinsposse: thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.

They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.

Actually...did Wayne fake his own death? Batman fakes his own death, but when did Bruce Wayne die?


There was a funeral for him. I don't remember the specifics but if everyone presumes Batman died then everyone who knew his identity must have made up a story about Bruce dying as well.
 
2012-08-09 05:51:00 PM

odinsposse: Lord Dimwit: odinsposse: thomps: i think they actually said a few months, and wayne was still poor at the end of the movie, no? i have a hard time believing that a sympathetic board would move that quickly to wrest control from him especially given the circumstances.

They weren't sympathetic. There was a guy who was already trying to wrest control of the company away from Wayne. Him and his followers were looking for any excuse and they got one.

I'm not sure if Wayne is poor at the end. He faked his own death so I doubt it really matters.

Actually...did Wayne fake his own death? Batman fakes his own death, but when did Bruce Wayne die?

There was a funeral for him. I don't remember the specifics but if everyone presumes Batman died then everyone who knew his identity must have made up a story about Bruce dying as well.


a lot of people died during the city lock-down, particularly rich people. wouldn't be hard to just count him among them
 
2012-08-09 05:55:16 PM

omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies.


Actually, he's not. Which, despite all the nitpicking stuff is the only real problem I have with Bruce Wayne's character in the Nolan films. He's not unhinged at all. Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne was unhinged. You could see it in his performance. He wasn't totally there. His Bruce Wayne was arguably as crazy as The Joker. Nolan's Bruce Wayne was pragmatic and normal. He was basically a cop who just happened to dress like a bat to scare people. There was no psychosis there.
 
2012-08-09 06:00:59 PM

Mugato: omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies.

Actually, he's not. Which, despite all the nitpicking stuff is the only real problem I have with Bruce Wayne's character in the Nolan films. He's not unhinged at all. Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne was unhinged. You could see it in his performance. He wasn't totally there. His Bruce Wayne was arguably as crazy as The Joker. Nolan's Bruce Wayne was pragmatic and normal. He was basically a cop who just happened to dress like a bat to scare people. There was no psychosis there.


To be honest, I don't think Keaton's Bruce Wayne fully captured it either. Honestly, very few portrayals have really captured that side of the character. Certain episodes of The Animated Series hinted at it. The comics have had a couple of arcs but it's really a woefully underexplored aspect of the character.
 
2012-08-09 06:10:32 PM

Lord Dimwit: To be honest, I don't think Keaton's Bruce Wayne fully captured it either


I think there were scenes in Burton's two films that portrayed Wayne's not being totally there pretty well. People seem to also forget that when the 1989 Batman came out all most people knew about Batman was the 1960s TV show. So it was hardcore. And the crazy quotient as far as the movies were concerned definitely went downhill since then.
 
2012-08-09 06:16:15 PM
Did someone say gripes? I love gripes!

Plot holes don't bother me most of the time.
What bothered me in this movie was the giant superhelicopter and batman dodging homing missiles.

Also, anything involving Miranda in the last 25 minutes was superfluous. Ultimately, it didn't matter who was the child of Ras Al-Ghul, and devoting so much time to the distinction didn't add any tension or further the plot for me.
 
2012-08-09 06:32:34 PM
For me the thing I hated most was all the Bane overdubs they used. Like in the plane at the beginning, he sounds like he's in a studio, using his "inside voice." But he's talking in a ripped-in-half plane, instead of shouting over all the wind noise. And pretty much everywhere he talked, it sounded like that. Really took me out of the movie in a way I've never been taken out before...

I also lol'ed at "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER!!" But mostly cuz of the face Bale makes.
 
2012-08-09 06:34:47 PM
Why don't studios release more "director cuts"? Word is that the first screening show to studio folk was almost 4 hours long. Just imagine the DVD sales if that was ever made available.

Is it the director or the studio who has final say over what gets released? I've heard that Nolan doesn't include deleted scenes on DVD releases of his film, but it seems strange to me that the studio wouldn't have the final say.
 
2012-08-09 06:37:56 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Nolan got the spirit of the characters right. His Scarecrow brought out the scientific side of the character. The Joker was literally a force of nature...both funny and scary at the same time. Two Face was really tragic figure pushed beyond the edge.

Two Face was supposed to be a guy with two separate personalities, a crime lord and a righteous DA, which personality he adopted depended on the flip of a coin. In both Batman Forever and The Dark Knight, he was just a psycho who asked the coin whether or not he had permission to kill people. Batman Forever was irredeemable but in TDK they missed and opportunity for a genuinely interesting character study-thingie and could have been better.

tallguywithglasseson: Lucius Fox: "Autopilot. I said, BRUCE, THE AUTOPILOT. Let's talk more about the autopilot and how that doesn't work even though it's completely irrelevant at the moment. BRUCE! Are you listening? I'm FORESHADOWING here! Not even the most oblivious audience member could possibly miss this, for when we do the fake death later..." [turns to camera] "Or could they?"


That was admittedly a bit lame. The Bruce Wayne in the Nolanverse is frankly a moron. He's not a scientist. He's not the world's greatest detective. He turns to Lucious to implement the complex "motorcycle helmet " technology so that he can turn his head in the batsuit. But he can figure out the autopilot in the Bat that stumped Lucious.

Yeah, there are a lot of contrivances in the film and I'm probably giving people who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to write this shiat an undue pass but the overall film worked for me, despite the glitches in the script that shouldn't be there.


Bruce made that radar cell phone shiat too. And he analyzed that bullet that exploded in the wall. He figured out catwomans identity. There's more, but if he was the batman from the comics the movie would last 5minutes. 6 if he had to kill darkseid AGAIN.
 
2012-08-09 06:41:06 PM

consider this: Why don't studios release more "director cuts"? Word is that the first screening show to studio folk was almost 4 hours long. Just imagine the DVD sales if that was ever made available.

Is it the director or the studio who has final say over what gets released? I've heard that Nolan doesn't include deleted scenes on DVD releases of his film, but it seems strange to me that the studio wouldn't have the final say.


The studio, unless you're talking about guys like Lucas or Spielberg. The obsession with putting everything in "the cloud" or on Netflix streaming is cutting into the special features that they used to put effort into putting on DVD releases.
 
2012-08-09 06:47:15 PM

hervatski: Bruce made that radar cell phone shiat too. And he analyzed that bullet that exploded in the wall. He figured out catwomans identity. There's more, but if he was the batman from the comics the movie would last 5minutes


He outsourced the cell phone thing and the CSI bullet thing made no sense whatsoever. He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it? And even if you buy that, he still sent it to Lucious to analyze.

Nolan's Batman was a ninja, nothing more. The only time any of the 7 films came close to making him a scientist or detective was in the 1989 film where he figured out the combination of the chemicals The Joker poisoned and that was like 3 minutes of screen time. A cerebral Batman film with The Riddler would have been cool.
 
2012-08-09 06:59:12 PM

TexanBoy: For me the thing I hated most was all the Bane overdubs they used. Like in the plane at the beginning, he sounds like he's in a studio, using his "inside voice." But he's talking in a ripped-in-half plane, instead of shouting over all the wind noise. And pretty much everywhere he talked, it sounded like that. Really took me out of the movie in a way I've never been taken out before...


Yeah, they really farked up his voice after people complained about having a hard time understanding him when the prologue was shown last year. I'll admit, it was difficult to pick everything up, but the voice was so much better. I'd rather they had added subtitles than messing with it.

Here's a comparison for people who never saw the original prologue.

Link
 
2012-08-09 07:03:10 PM

Mugato: hervatski: Bruce made that radar cell phone shiat too. And he analyzed that bullet that exploded in the wall. He figured out catwomans identity. There's more, but if he was the batman from the comics the movie would last 5minutes

He outsourced the cell phone thing and the CSI bullet thing made no sense whatsoever. He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it? And even if you buy that, he still sent it to Lucious to analyze.


The fingerprint was purposely placed. A joke from the Joker. If someone figured it out (Gotham CSI/Batman) hey, more chaotic fun at the police funeral.
 
2012-08-09 07:25:09 PM

omeganuepsilon: Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: Considering how much they toned down Bale's screaming compared to how much he did in "The Dark Knight," when he finally screamed "where's the trigger" I turned to my son and said "oh yeah. That's what he sounded like the whole last movie."

So no, it didn't bother me. It bothered me in "The Dark Knight" though.

Really? I thought it was worse in TDKR because in this one he actually had some dramatic lines to read, which were undercut by the gravelly voice. In Batman Begins he had a Bat-voice but it wasn't nearly as pronounced.

And then there's the issue of him using the voice even when he's talking to people who knows who he is or even when he's talking to himself. So that might indicate a split personality or something.

Most people wisely put it up to a voice scrambler he wears. Or he stays in character at all times, mainly because he's never know who's listening.

[again possible spoilers, can't we just tag recent movies with this in the title somewhere?]

I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies. I don't know about dual personalities, but different persona's where he has to act a certain way(he does go on at length about what batman is as if it's somewhat separate from him, and it's covered in the new film by the rookie cop, anger hidden by a smile, etc) [Recently saw the South Park where Butters gets diagnosed for playing games and assuming a persona....maybe Batman just takes it seriously?]. Can't be the God Damned Batman and sound exactly like Bruce Wayne either, they went to great lengths to keep his identity unknown for obvious reasons.

Either way it's explainable and I'm not sure why everyone takes issue with it or just think it's silly(If that's the case, why are they watching comic book movies where most of the franchise was much much more silly?). There are a plethora of logical reasons for a different voice. Who should be amazed that it's a growl? ...


Way back when, I read the novelization for Knightfall (I didn't read the comic, so I don't know how it compares), but there was a part in it that really seemed to resonate for this particular topic and a myriad of others. To sum it up, here's an excerpt from an a cached tvtropes section:

"Summarized in the novelization of Knightfall, Alfred explains to Tim Drake that Batman uses the cowl to become a different personality, hearkening back to primitive beliefs that wearing the mask of a god is to literally become that god.
(Batman puts his mask on)
Bane: Stop hiding.
Batman: I'm not hiding. I'm becoming."

He doesn't break character because he IS Batman while he's wearing it.
 
2012-08-09 07:26:25 PM
Plot hole gripers get to griping: Dark Knight Rises originally had way more Bane backstory

Who gives a fark?


You can't judge the movie on ...try to follow this stub-tard... content that wasn't in the movie
 
2012-08-09 07:30:27 PM

Mugato: omeganuepsilon: I vote for off his rocker. He is a fairly unhinged character mentioned bluntly in all 3 movies.

Actually, he's not.


Because sane people regularly put themselves through that kind of physical beatings all of the time, destroying their bodies, for free and in secret.

As for Keaton, sure, if by unhinged you mean slightly aloof.

Mugato: He outsourced the cell phone thing


No, he re-purposed a run of the mill spy program and turned it into a kind of night vision.

Mugato: He gathered fragments from the part of the bullet that you don't touch while loading the gun and got a fingerprint from it? And even if you buy that, he still sent it to Lucious to analyze.


1. It's not like it's a rule that you don't touch the projectile end, people do it all the time, even when loading. Know how I know you like to pretend to know what you're talking about? (it's glaringly obvious you didn't even do a GIS)(Info for ignorant fools.)
2. That's what secretaries and assistants are for. You do the tricky stuff, they do the legwork.

Mugato: Nolan's Batman was a ninja, nothing more.


And a bit of a lunatic vigilante who's body is all but completely used up because he beats the shiat out of it on a regular basis. Again, sane people do not do this, for free(indeed, paying to do it), as a themed alter ego, all in the name of saving a city. Sure, it's standard super hero fare, but not sane for people without superpowers. They didn't dwell on the tortured soul bit a lot, but it was an underlying current throughout all 3 movies, a few drops of flavorings in a drink that end up altering the whole movie. Tretending that didn't happen at all is a denialist fantasy.

You can stop being intentionally obtuse and grasping with intent at the slippery straws. We get it, you don't like the most recent movies and want to have Keaton Batman's baby. That's perfectly fine. To each his own. But could you do it without making shiat up and denigrating some scenes, and denying other's even exist? Try listing an honest opinion instead of trying to fabricate facts to make yourself "right". Of all the places you could post and simply not get called on your BS, you came to Fark...

Welcome to Fark!
 
2012-08-09 07:34:56 PM
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