I can't imagine why it was cut. They could have used some more flashbacks to pad the run time.

Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

The more I think about the movie, the more I love it. The problems with it have nothing to do with plot holes, though.

doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.

The extended cut of this movie is going to be farking 3 days long

SnakeLee: The extended cut of this movie is going to be farking 3 days long

Chris Nolan doesnt do that kind of stuff, I dont think.

And since Nolan doesn't include deleted scenes in his Blu-Ray/DVDs, we'll never see that stuff.

At least, until the 20th anniversary holcube version comes out.

doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

Presumably they changed that because they didn't want the film to look like a WCW match from 1998.

I read people like that dumb fark Harry Knowles complaining that Nolan completely screwed up what Batman or Bruce Wayne would have done. Yeah, well, tough shiat. These weren't laughable glitzy crap like the Schumacher films, and bizarre and fun yet completely stupid ones like Burton's. Nolan made his movies have much more of a tether to reality than most superhero stories.

I loved all three of the Nolan Batman films. The only problem I had with this one was Bane sounding like John Rhys-Davies doing a book-on-tape.

Gripers, no griping.

Gripers, no griping!

/oh man

I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Hmmm, I'm not sure how you'd give more of his back story without spoiling the plot twist.

Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

Mugato: doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

They colossally farked up Two-Face and most people didn't mind. Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman). The difference being that The Joker and Ra's al Ghul were still cool without being faithful to the source material.

Nolan got the spirit of the characters right. His Scarecrow brought out the scientific side of the character. The Joker was literally a force of nature...both funny and scary at the same time. Two Face was really tragic figure pushed beyond the edge.

I thought Bane, Talia and Ras were done BETTER in the Nolan movies than the comics. Ras being a "James Bond" type villain never suited me for a hero that was more about crime. The twist of Ras being a head of an organization that fought crime in the worse way possible. I always thought Talia was lame. A writers conceit that their female character is the "love" of a continuing characters life. The fact that she was a vengeful daughter made her a much better character.

Bane literally was the man who took up Ras offer that Bruce rejected. It's an aspect of the character that the comic had overlooked for a while. His creator wanted Bane to be a villain who learned from his mistakes.

Catwoman was actually pitch perfect

But in the end-these characters were adapted to the story Nolan was telling..and it was done beautifully. A hell of a lot better than the more "comic-book" accurate Burton movies. Joker was just Jack being Jack. The penguin was an atrocity. Catwoman totally stupid.

thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

Rev. Skarekroe: And since Nolan doesn't include deleted scenes in his Blu-Ray/DVDs, we'll never see that stuff.

At least, until the 20th anniversary holcube version comes out.

doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

Presumably they changed that because they didn't want the film to look like a WCW match from 1998.

Actually, I think it's because Nolan really didn't have a lot of deleted scenes. He shoots a tight script...I think this time, he might have realized that he went a bit too far and had to edit.

DamnYankees: The more I think about the movie, the more I love it. The problems with it have nothing to do with plot holes, though.

I went and did a second viewing a few days ago on IMAX and it was a lot better the second time. Wasn't perfect but the good far outweighed the bad.

I'm kinda glad they limited Bane's backstory. One thing I loved about TDK was no Joker origin. He just shows up and causes chaos. But I thought Bane was a great villian so ehh. I'll watch this footage on the deleted scenes.

Karac: thomps: Karac: Makh: I could gripe but I'd rather snark and say that for this movie, all of Batman's problems could have been solved by Iron Man in 5 minutes. (That's including travel time.)

Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

i dunno, he's got that magic rope that fixes backs. that's something.

OK, so Batman has a magical chiropractor. Iron Man has the superpower of a comic book sized bank account. He could have just paid the prisoners to lift him out of that hole like a cheerleader at the top of a pyramid.

so that stock exchange break-in that bankrupted bruce wayne thing was the most annoying part of that movie to me. why would they not back out every transaction that happened while they were hacked into the exchange network? didn't they do that a few years ago after that "fat finger" flash crash?

Karac: Yeah, but Bruce Wayne doesn't have any superpowers the way Iron Man does.

Just like Tony Stark doesn't have any superpowers (or magical flying devices) the way Batman does. :P

Mugato: Actually, none of the Rogue's Gallery in any of the Nolan films were true to their comic book counterparts (except maybe Catwoman).

Scarecrow was close enough.

tallguywithglasseson: Lucius Fox: "Autopilot. I said, BRUCE, THE AUTOPILOT. Let's talk more about the autopilot and how that doesn't work even though it's completely irrelevant at the moment. BRUCE! Are you listening? I'm FORESHADOWING here! Not even the most oblivious audience member could possibly miss this, for when we do the fake death later..." [turns to camera] "Or could they?"

Ha!

DamnYankees: SnakeLee: The extended cut of this movie is going to be farking 3 days long

Chris Nolan doesnt do that kind of stuff, I dont think.

Yeah, he's not Peter Jackson.

Kome: Would it have explained why he sounded like Deckard Cain Goldmember? Because that would have been helpful to know.

FTFY

Darth_Lukecash: Catwoman was actually pitch perfect.

Like The Brown Note.

Catwoman added nothing to this story other than being Anne Hathaway in a tight bodysuit.

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And to be Batman's redemption, but she was so totally half-assing the "criminal" part of being Catwoman (you know, what with the laserlike focus on wiping out her history) that she seems more like one of the cops trapped under the city than an integral part of the story. Her purpose was to validate Bruce's desire to not be Batman any more.
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cgraves67: Here's the thing I don't get about Bane:

If he's a denizen of that decrepid hole-in-the-ground prison, which is apparently in some mysterious Asian location, why does he sound like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impersonation?

Maybe he was actually trying for an Egyptian accent?

/too obscure?

doglover: Bane should be Brazilian and a luchaidor with venom that makes him strong. This movie's Bane was shiat.

I didn't know Schumacher was on FARK. Hi, Joel!

Darth_Lukecash: Nolan got the spirit of the characters right. His Scarecrow brought out the scientific side of the character. The Joker was literally a force of nature...both funny and scary at the same time. Two Face was really tragic figure pushed beyond the edge.

Two Face was supposed to be a guy with two separate personalities, a crime lord and a righteous DA, which personality he adopted depended on the flip of a coin. In both Batman Forever and The Dark Knight, he was just a psycho who asked the coin whether or not he had permission to kill people. Batman Forever was irredeemable but in TDK they missed and opportunity for a genuinely interesting character study-thingie and could have been better.

tallguywithglasseson: Lucius Fox: "Autopilot. I said, BRUCE, THE AUTOPILOT. Let's talk more about the autopilot and how that doesn't work even though it's completely irrelevant at the moment. BRUCE! Are you listening? I'm FORESHADOWING here! Not even the most oblivious audience member could possibly miss this, for when we do the fake death later..." [turns to camera] "Or could they?"


That was admittedly a bit lame. The Bruce Wayne in the Nolanverse is frankly a moron. He's not a scientist. He's not the world's greatest detective. He turns to Lucious to implement the complex "motorcycle helmet " technology so that he can turn his head in the batsuit. But he can figure out the autopilot in the Bat that stumped Lucious.

Yeah, there are a lot of contrivances in the film and I'm probably giving people who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to write this shiat an undue pass but the overall film worked for me, despite the glitches in the script that shouldn't be there.

Mugato: But he can figure out the autopilot in the Bat that stumped Lucious.

He spent his time as a recluse becoming an l33t h4x0r. They cut the montage where he sneaks off to MIT and learns under the cruel tutelage of RMS.

Dimensio: Two-Face in The Dark Knight was portrayed as a character with fundamentally opposed personality traits, rather than two fundamentally opposed personalities. It was a variation upon the comic-book character.

But then shouldn't he have tried to bring the people who survived his coin toss to justice if he wasn't allowed to kill them? And isn't flipping again for the guy's driver cheating? I dunno, I thought TDK was a great film but the Two Face thing felt tacked on and nonsensical.

Bane though, I thought was a pretty good villain even if he wasn't close to the books.

Although I still don't understand the mechanics of the pit and why there had to be a jump involved in climbing out.