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2012-08-09 04:46:06 PM
Also,

San Diego - heavy conservative military town

Bakersfield areas at the North edges of SoCal - heavy conservative also military town

Ventura - heavy conservative military town

Orange County - heavy conservative except for minority areas

City of LA - mixed but does lean Democrat because of minorities (who don't vote as much and don't hold most of the wealth)

Inland empire - mixed but leans conservative

Palm Springs - old conservatives

There's a reason the state is known to vote in Republican governors like Nixon and Reagan
 
2012-08-09 04:49:24 PM

Eirik: SnakeLee: They have huge budget cuts, won't increase taxes because SoCal is right wing, but want all the services that a tax paying society would provide

LA is right wing? LA? That may have been true a few decades ago, and may still be true in some of the suburbs, but that wasn't even true when I left the state in 1996. Looking at the last party affiliation breakdown I could find (2003) it was about 51% Dem and 26% Rep and the rest declined to state with a smattering of third parties.

Hardly a right wing enclave.


You don't understand. Left wingers are all unique and thoughtful individuals. That makes getting them on the same page like herding cats. That is why the right wing is responsible for every problem with the government. They are unstoppable sociopaths with a super-powered gift of persuasion. They can get their way even when they are outnumbered 99-1. They are just vile creatures.

I do have some good news though. I have found that a good night-light will keep them from coming out from under your bed to attack you in your sleep. Having a parent read to you until you fall asleep is also very effective. Help me fight this menace by convincing the government to require a night-light in every bedroom!
 
2012-08-09 04:49:28 PM
"Because of the community, we will be open till Labor Day," said Andrea Epstein, a spokeswoman for the parks department.

"Because of the community"? Are there other constituents with a legitimate voice in what government does? Isn't everything done or not done because the community says so?

/in a democracy?
 
2012-08-09 04:51:40 PM

intelligent comment below: Also,

San Diego - heavy conservative military town

Bakersfield areas at the North edges of SoCal - heavy conservative also military town

Ventura - heavy conservative military town

Orange County - heavy conservative except for minority areas

City of LA - mixed but does lean Democrat because of minorities (who don't vote as much and don't hold most of the wealth)

Inland empire - mixed but leans conservative

Palm Springs - old conservatives

There's a reason the state is known to vote in Republican governors like Nixon and Reagan


Yup pretty much this. Lots of right wing WASPs.

But when people think of LA, they think Hollywood and those sorts of areas, not Yorba Linda.
 
2012-08-09 04:54:19 PM

umad: You don't understand. Left wingers are all unique and thoughtful individuals. That makes getting them on the same page like herding cats. That is why the right wing is responsible for every problem with the government. They are unstoppable sociopaths with a super-powered gift of persuasion. They can get their way even when they are outnumbered 99-1. They are just vile creatures.

I do have some good news though. I have found that a good night-light will keep them from coming out from under your bed to attack you in your sleep. Having a parent read to you until you fall asleep is also very effective. Help me fight this menace by convincing the government to require a night-light in every bedroom!



Dissecting your intellectually dishonest derp, I think you mean liberals and moderates do not fall into the same mold as conservatives do. It's hard to find a socially liberal moderate but easy to find liberals who hold many varied views on those areas.

The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people, and you can't blame anyone but conservatives for that. Specifically the Reagan revolution.

Conservatives are like pharmaceutical companies. These companies spend more money on advertising than they do research and development. That's because their products don't sell themselves without massive advertisement, and that goes to your "gift of persuasion"

Praying on the ignorant is the MO of a conservative and all you Fark Conservative troll brigade members keep showing your lack of knowledge as proof
 
2012-08-09 04:57:28 PM
OMFG Intelligent Comment Below is posting things I would expect to see on reputable news blogs like eBaumsworld and Something Awful.

I am going to grind out some more posts until I get enough XP to hit my level cap and WIN THE INTERNETS FTW.

INTERNETS +15
 
2012-08-09 04:57:39 PM

Shazam999: But when people think of LA, they think Hollywood and those sorts of areas, not Yorba Linda.


That's because Yorba Linda is nowhere near L.A.

/L.A. is far from conservative
 
2012-08-09 04:58:08 PM

intelligent comment below: It's hard to find a socially liberal conservative


FTFM
 
2012-08-09 04:58:18 PM

intelligent comment below: umad: You don't understand. Left wingers are all unique and thoughtful individuals. That makes getting them on the same page like herding cats. That is why the right wing is responsible for every problem with the government. They are unstoppable sociopaths with a super-powered gift of persuasion. They can get their way even when they are outnumbered 99-1. They are just vile creatures.

I do have some good news though. I have found that a good night-light will keep them from coming out from under your bed to attack you in your sleep. Having a parent read to you until you fall asleep is also very effective. Help me fight this menace by convincing the government to require a night-light in every bedroom!


Dissecting your intellectually dishonest derp, I think you mean liberals and moderates do not fall into the same mold as conservatives do. It's hard to find a socially liberal moderate but easy to find liberals who hold many varied views on those areas.

The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people, and you can't blame anyone but conservatives for that. Specifically the Reagan revolution.

Conservatives are like pharmaceutical companies. These companies spend more money on advertising than they do research and development. That's because their products don't sell themselves without massive advertisement, and that goes to your "gift of persuasion"

Praying on the ignorant is the MO of a conservative and all you Fark Conservative troll brigade members keep showing your lack of knowledge as proof


OOGA BOOGA! I'm in ur government controllin ur d00dz.
 
2012-08-09 04:59:18 PM

intelligent comment below: intelligent comment below: It's hard to find a socially liberal conservative

FTFM


You're arguing with one right now.
 
2012-08-09 05:01:28 PM

intelligent comment below: umad: You don't understand. Left wingers are all unique and thoughtful individuals. That makes getting them on the same page like herding cats. That is why the right wing is responsible for every problem with the government. They are unstoppable sociopaths with a super-powered gift of persuasion. They can get their way even when they are outnumbered 99-1. They are just vile creatures.

I do have some good news though. I have found that a good night-light will keep them from coming out from under your bed to attack you in your sleep. Having a parent read to you until you fall asleep is also very effective. Help me fight this menace by convincing the government to require a night-light in every bedroom!


Dissecting your intellectually dishonest derp, I think you mean liberals and moderates do not fall into the same mold as conservatives do. It's hard to find a socially liberal moderate but easy to find liberals who hold many varied views on those areas.

The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people, and you can't blame anyone but conservatives for that. Specifically the Reagan revolution.

Conservatives are like pharmaceutical companies. These companies spend more money on advertising than they do research and development. That's because their products don't sell themselves without massive advertisement, and that goes to your "gift of persuasion"

Praying on the ignorant is the MO of a conservative and all you Fark Conservative troll brigade members keep showing your lack of knowledge as proof


The wealthy aren't people?
 
2012-08-09 05:01:51 PM

intelligent comment below: Eirik: The last presidential election showed Obama winning the county with 72% of the vote, and the City of LA has more than half the population of the total county. What enclave of conservatives exist in that environment that can politically withstand a demand for higher taxes?

On the state level, the Dems outnumber the Reps by 2-1 and the current Gov is Jerry Brown-D.

/Gave up on SoCal 15 years ago.


For starters, Presidential vote in 2008 really means nothing, any idiot with a brain on their shoulders knew not to vote for the GOP.

Second you might want to look at the split in local representatives, not take overall California state assemblymen and claim that represents the SoCal area.

Third, Brown is a conservative Democrat in a state known for voting in Republican governors. SoCal is socially liberal but still very conservative, that ties back to the boom in defense contractor spending in the 1980s and the heavy reliance on finance to keep the economy going today


"Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

//InigoMontoya.jpg
 
2012-08-09 05:02:08 PM

intelligent comment below: intelligent comment below: It's hard to find a socially liberal conservative

FTFM


I believe they're called Libertarians.
 
2012-08-09 05:05:35 PM

BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?


When 1% control all government, no
 
2012-08-09 05:06:28 PM

Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

//InigoMontoya.jpg


He's a conservative democrat, yes
 
2012-08-09 05:06:42 PM

intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no


Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?
 
2012-08-09 05:12:15 PM

BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no

Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?


Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?

I never said they aren't people, I said they have stolen government from the rest to do their bidding
 
2012-08-09 05:13:38 PM

intelligent comment below: Also,

San Diego - heavy conservative military town

Bakersfield areas at the North edges of SoCal - heavy conservative also military town

Ventura - heavy conservative military town

Orange County - heavy conservative except for minority areas

City of LA - mixed but does lean Democrat because of minorities (who don't vote as much and don't hold most of the wealth)

Inland empire - mixed but leans conservative

Palm Springs - old conservatives

There's a reason the state is known to vote in Republican governors like Nixon and Reagan


Frack, Fark, fix quoting on the mobile site...

SD, Bakersfield, Ventura and the OC: you're correct, mostly. Thought we were talking about LA, though.

Greater LA: Largest metro area, in terms of population, in the country, mostly liberal.

Palm Springs: more mixed than you think. The old money is dying off, and being replaced by teh gheys. I'm pretty sure they're not conservative.

To sum up, this is the strangest "red state" on the planet. Look at our last few governors; look at our Senators for the last couple of decades...

I hate this place.
 
2012-08-09 05:15:45 PM
FTFA: till Labor Day.

come on, am I the only one to notice this agrarian grammar mistake?

That's some fine reportin' LA Times
 
2012-08-09 05:16:41 PM

Lorelle: Shazam999: But when people think of LA, they think Hollywood and those sorts of areas, not Yorba Linda.

That's because Yorba Linda is nowhere near L.A.

/L.A. is far from conservative


Yeah, but when people talk about LA, they think of all the 30 million+ people as being in Hollywood and driving around Ventura Blvd.
 
2012-08-09 05:21:23 PM

Orange Guy: SnakeLee: They have huge budget cuts, won't increase taxes because SoCal is right wing, but want all the services that a tax paying society would provide

The tax paying society are not the ones using the public pools.

There are other ways to keep cool.

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There are other ways to keep cool.

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-08-09 05:24:00 PM

Sgt.Zim: Frack, Fark, fix quoting on the mobile site...

SD, Bakersfield, Ventura and the OC: you're correct, mostly. Thought we were talking about LA, though.

Greater LA: Largest metro area, in terms of population, in the country, mostly liberal.

Palm Springs: more mixed than you think. The old money is dying off, and being replaced by teh gheys. I'm pretty sure they're not conservative.

To sum up, this is the strangest "red state" on the planet. Look at our last few governors; look at our Senators for the last couple of decades...

I hate this place.



Somewhere the topic changed to Socal

I just think the idea of LA being this massive liberal haven is misleading. Like I said earlier, the huge influx in population in the 1980's (that ruined the area) was defense spending by the Reagan administration.

Prop 8 passed because there are a lot of social conservatives in LA just like the rest of the state

LA is liberal because people still associate Hollywood with liberalism when it's all just a huge corporatocracy filled with mostly wealthy conservative businessmen.

There are still a lot of old people who move to PS that are conservative just like always. Yes apparently I hear more gay people are moving West Hollywood, ironically because prices are higher now and more non-liberals who don't like gays are moving in.
 
2012-08-09 05:25:30 PM
Another wrench in the "LA is a liberal haven!" is the fact that the city council just voted a ban on all medical marijuana dispensaries.
 
2012-08-09 05:27:23 PM

intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no

Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?

Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?

I never said they aren't people, I said they have stolen government from the rest to do their bidding


You said, "The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people..."

So that means they're not part of the group "people" so they must not be people.
 
2012-08-09 05:28:52 PM

intelligent comment below: Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

//InigoMontoya.jpg

He's a conservative democrat, yes


Valid point.

In all honesty, as a lower-case-ell libertarian, I voted for him as AG, and was happy with the job he did there, and, like any sane person, voted for him over that nutbag Whitman, as a "lesser of two evils" choice.
 
2012-08-09 05:29:02 PM
Don't public pools charge to get in? Why not just increase the cost a bit to cover the budget cuts?

Also, this:

durbnpoisn: In other news, isn't there like this great big ocean right there? Why can't people swim there?


If the beaches are littered with broken glass and needles, whose fault is that? Clean it up you lazy bastards, and stop whining that there's nowhere to swim.
 
2012-08-09 05:29:25 PM

intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no

Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?

Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?

I never said they aren't people, I said they have stolen government from the rest to do their bidding


And yes. Look at local gov'ts in VT. I don't see a lot of influence over there. Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-09 05:31:16 PM

Shazam999: My farking lord you people are wimps. When I go down there in December I wear my shorts and t-shirts and cry because it's so damn warm.


This is because you have maple syrup in your veins instead of blood (although I do agree with you).
 
2012-08-09 05:35:36 PM

BgJonson79: You said, "The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people..."

So that means they're not part of the group "people" so they must not be people.



When you're done playing semantics maybe you can figure out I was talking about a small minority having complete control over everyone else.


BgJonson79: And yes. Look at local gov'ts in VT. I don't see a lot of influence over there. Just sayin'.



Cool story bro, what does that have to do with what I said
 
2012-08-09 05:36:13 PM

intelligent comment below: Another wrench in the "LA is a liberal haven!" is the fact that the city council just voted a ban on all medical marijuana dispensaries.


The religious wrong have screwed everything up.

And I've been trapped out in this Desert Wasteland for so long... hadn't heard about the dispensaries being outlawed.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Back to the original point, though: someone up-thread said it... those most likely to use the pools in question are among those least likely to pay the taxes necessary to provide the budget that's already not there.


// Just re-read that. I think I divided by potato.
 
2012-08-09 05:37:12 PM

intelligent comment below: Sgt.Zim: Frack, Fark, fix quoting on the mobile site...

SD, Bakersfield, Ventura and the OC: you're correct, mostly. Thought we were talking about LA, though.

Greater LA: Largest metro area, in terms of population, in the country, mostly liberal.

Palm Springs: more mixed than you think. The old money is dying off, and being replaced by teh gheys. I'm pretty sure they're not conservative.

To sum up, this is the strangest "red state" on the planet. Look at our last few governors; look at our Senators for the last couple of decades...

I hate this place.


Somewhere the topic changed to Socal

I just think the idea of LA being this massive liberal haven is misleading. Like I said earlier, the huge influx in population in the 1980's (that ruined the area) was defense spending by the Reagan administration.

Prop 8 passed because there are a lot of social conservatives in LA just like the rest of the state

LA is liberal because people still associate Hollywood with liberalism when it's all just a huge corporatocracy filled with mostly wealthy conservative businessmen.

There are still a lot of old people who move to PS that are conservative just like always. Yes apparently I hear more gay people are moving West Hollywood, ironically because prices are higher now and more non-liberals who don't like gays are moving in.


So none of the people who moved to the area (highly paid engineers) left when the defense contractors all dried up and left? Is there even anything left in the greater LA area that builds defense equipment anymore? I realize that not all of them left (my father worked for Honeywell back in the day and still lives in Ventura County even though his office is long gone) but many of these people left for better, high paying jobs.

The idea that Palm Springs is some high money conservative enclave seems laughable, the city population is about 45,000.

And sure, CA once voted in Nixon and Regan. And Texas at about the same time went for Kennedy and LBJ. Demographics change.
 
2012-08-09 05:38:57 PM

Eirik: when the defense contractors all dried up and left?



Not sure if serious
 
2012-08-09 05:41:32 PM

intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: You said, "The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people..."

So that means they're not part of the group "people" so they must not be people.


When you're done playing semantics maybe you can figure out I was talking about a small minority having complete control over everyone else.


BgJonson79: And yes. Look at local gov'ts in VT. I don't see a lot of influence over there. Just sayin'.


Cool story bro, what does that have to do with what I said


You said, "Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?"

And I replied with a level of gov't not influenced by them.

Also, semantics is how the world works. There is a reason laws use the language they do: it needs to be precise. I'd also add a small minority has always had lots of control over everyone else. Everyone else (92% if you use two sigma) has average intelligence or lower.
 
2012-08-09 05:53:46 PM

Jim.Casy: Shazam999: My farking lord you people are wimps. When I go down there in December I wear my shorts and t-shirts and cry because it's so damn warm.

This is because you have maple syrup in your veins instead of blood (although I do agree with you).


You should see what I ejaculate. Goes great with toast.
 
2012-08-09 05:59:15 PM
I'd take living in an area where you can jump in a river/lake/other natural body of water over living in the desert with their nasty-ass pools any day.

Pools are for skating.
 
2012-08-09 06:07:01 PM

Eirik: intelligent comment below: Sgt.Zim: Frack, Fark, fix quoting on the mobile site...

SD, Bakersfield, Ventura and the OC: you're correct, mostly. Thought we were talking about LA, though.

Greater LA: Largest metro area, in terms of population, in the country, mostly liberal.

Palm Springs: more mixed than you think. The old money is dying off, and being replaced by teh gheys. I'm pretty sure they're not conservative.

To sum up, this is the strangest "red state" on the planet. Look at our last few governors; look at our Senators for the last couple of decades...

I hate this place.


Somewhere the topic changed to Socal

I just think the idea of LA being this massive liberal haven is misleading. Like I said earlier, the huge influx in population in the 1980's (that ruined the area) was defense spending by the Reagan administration.

Prop 8 passed because there are a lot of social conservatives in LA just like the rest of the state

LA is liberal because people still associate Hollywood with liberalism when it's all just a huge corporatocracy filled with mostly wealthy conservative businessmen.

There are still a lot of old people who move to PS that are conservative just like always. Yes apparently I hear more gay people are moving West Hollywood, ironically because prices are higher now and more non-liberals who don't like gays are moving in.

So none of the people who moved to the area (highly paid engineers) left when the defense contractors all dried up and left? Is there even anything left in the greater LA area that builds defense equipment anymore? I realize that not all of them left (my father worked for Honeywell back in the day and still lives in Ventura County even though his office is long gone) but many of these people left for better, high paying jobs.

The idea that Palm Springs is some high money conservative enclave seems laughable, the city population is about 45,000.

And sure, CA once voted in Nixon and Regan. And Texas at about the same time went for Kennedy and LBJ. Demographics change.


It's probably more correct to refer to the desert area as the Coachella Valley rather than just Palm Springs. There are 600,000 people in the valley and just focusing on Palm Springs leaves out wealthier places like Indian Wells, La Quinta, Rancho Mirage, and the unincorporated areas like Bermuda Dunes.

FWIW, wiki says that the majority of the valley is GOP except for Palm Springs.
 
2012-08-09 06:20:48 PM

BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no

Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?

Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?

I never said they aren't people, I said they have stolen government from the rest to do their bidding

You said, "The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people..."

So that means they're not part of the group "people" so they must not be people.


Protip: you aren't going to win any debates on Fark by posting like you're Sheldon farking Cooper. Take this sophistry elsewhere.
 
2012-08-09 06:24:02 PM

ladodger34: Eirik: intelligent comment below: Sgt.Zim: Frack, Fark, fix quoting on the mobile site...

SD, Bakersfield, Ventura and the OC: you're correct, mostly. Thought we were talking about LA, though.

Greater LA: Largest metro area, in terms of population, in the country, mostly liberal.

Palm Springs: more mixed than you think. The old money is dying off, and being replaced by teh gheys. I'm pretty sure they're not conservative.

To sum up, this is the strangest "red state" on the planet. Look at our last few governors; look at our Senators for the last couple of decades...

I hate this place.


Somewhere the topic changed to Socal

I just think the idea of LA being this massive liberal haven is misleading. Like I said earlier, the huge influx in population in the 1980's (that ruined the area) was defense spending by the Reagan administration.

Prop 8 passed because there are a lot of social conservatives in LA just like the rest of the state

LA is liberal because people still associate Hollywood with liberalism when it's all just a huge corporatocracy filled with mostly wealthy conservative businessmen.

There are still a lot of old people who move to PS that are conservative just like always. Yes apparently I hear more gay people are moving West Hollywood, ironically because prices are higher now and more non-liberals who don't like gays are moving in.

So none of the people who moved to the area (highly paid engineers) left when the defense contractors all dried up and left? Is there even anything left in the greater LA area that builds defense equipment anymore? I realize that not all of them left (my father worked for Honeywell back in the day and still lives in Ventura County even though his office is long gone) but many of these people left for better, high paying jobs.

The idea that Palm Springs is some high money conservative enclave seems laughable, the city population is about 45,000.

And sure, CA once voted in Nixon and Regan. And Texas at about the same time went for Kennedy and LBJ. Demographics change.

It's probably more correct to refer to the desert area as the Coachella Valley rather than just Palm Springs. There are 600,000 people in the valley and just focusing on Palm Springs leaves out wealthier places like Indian Wells, La Quinta, Rancho Mirage, and the unincorporated areas like Bermuda Dunes.

FWIW, wiki says that the majority of the valley is GOP except for Palm Springs.


You're absolutely right about the need to include the whole valley rather than just "Palm Springs", and the larger population of the whole area.

That said, at least to my agnostic, WASP, middle-class and middle-aged male eyes, there are four basic groups here:
Old, conservative white folk; snowbirds that stayed and their spawn. Mostly well-to-do
Rich white folk, here for the tennis and golf. GOP and Religious Wrong all the way
White, middle-class, trying to survive, covering the spectrum
Hispanic, some rich, mostly not, mostly liberal. Thing is, this is the majority population.

The gay population is a growing segment, mostly higher-income, and definitely liberal. Demographics out here are changing...

Guess that's five.
 
2012-08-09 06:28:55 PM

toddalmighty: FTFA: till Labor Day.

come on, am I the only one to notice this agrarian grammar mistake?

That's some fine reportin' LA Times


"till" is fine there. Sometimes words have multiple meanings.

/the more you know...
 
2012-08-09 06:31:04 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So the term "trolling" is officially meaningless now.


We'll just file this next to "terrorism", "heartwarming", and "customer service," as words that mean nothing any more.
 
2012-08-09 06:34:59 PM

Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?


I can't recall the last time California elected anybody but conservatives.
 
2012-08-09 06:46:27 PM
Glad to see Subbys misuse of troll has been covered.

Here in the NEast public pool season is really only good for 2.5-3 months tops. A private pool is a bit different since its easier to cycle up and down.
But I would have thought that in SCal pools would be a year round type thing. Lived in Stockton for awhile and we kept the pool open a good 8-9 months.
 
2012-08-09 07:07:01 PM

Baloo Uriza: Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

I can't recall the last time California elected anybody but conservatives.


8/10

Almost had me. A+. Would get trolled again.
 
2012-08-09 07:12:09 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: intelligent comment below: BgJonson79: The wealthy aren't people?

When 1% control all government, no

Care to cite your source, please? And if they're not people, what are they? Why demonize folks you disagree with?

Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?

I never said they aren't people, I said they have stolen government from the rest to do their bidding

You said, "The problem with government is that the wealthy have taken back control from the people..."

So that means they're not part of the group "people" so they must not be people.

Protip: you aren't going to win any debates on Fark by posting like you're Sheldon farking Cooper. Take this sophistry elsewhere.


Debate isn't the verb I'd use to describe what I'm doing ;-)

+1 for use of the word sophistry :-D
 
2012-08-09 07:17:11 PM

BgJonson79: You said, "Are you seriously going to deny the influence of business and the wealthy on government at all levels?"

And I replied with a level of gov't not influenced by them.

Also, semantics is how the world works. There is a reason laws use the language they do: it needs to be precise. I'd also add a small minority has always had lots of control over everyone else. Everyone else (92% if you use two sigma) has average intelligence or lower.



So basically you admit you have no actual argument so you want to debate semantics instead.

Semantics isn't how the world works, I already explained my position, and instead of debating that, you ignored it ran right back to your original argument again.

If your goal here is to prove you misunderstood what I said and have no argument when the people IE the voters have no power anymore because corporations and lobbyists control government, then for that I applaud you.
 
2012-08-09 07:33:02 PM

Sgt.Zim: Baloo Uriza: Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

I can't recall the last time California elected anybody but conservatives.

8/10

Almost had me. A+. Would get trolled again.


I'm being serious, though. California's like Oregon: Votes for conservatives of the Democratic stripe instead of the Republican stripe, then pretends it's left of center when in reality, they're more conservative than much of the midwest.
 
2012-08-09 07:33:41 PM
SoCal is incredibly conservative compared to the Bay Area. I think only Los Gatos, Morgan Hill, Pleasanton, and Livermore are conservative in the Bay.
 
2012-08-09 07:35:39 PM

Baloo Uriza: Sgt.Zim: Baloo Uriza: Sgt.Zim: "Moonbeam" Brown is conservative?

I can't recall the last time California elected anybody but conservatives.

8/10

Almost had me. A+. Would get trolled again.

I'm being serious, though. California's like Oregon: Votes for conservatives of the Democratic stripe instead of the Republican stripe, then pretends it's left of center when in reality, they're more conservative than much of the midwest.


Citation needed. I do recall you saying Okla farkin homa was more liberal than California in some old thread (I have you tagged as such), so forgive me if I think you have some bias that makes you full of shiat on this topic.
 
2012-08-09 07:35:54 PM
Yep, So Cal is right wing, everyone is douchey, and it totally sucks. Do not come here, you will hate it.
 
2012-08-09 07:38:13 PM

Badafuco: Yep, So Cal is right wing, everyone is douchey, and it totally sucks. Do not come here, you will hate it.


I try to skip over LA right into SD. LA farkin sucks.
 
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