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2012-08-09 10:54:23 AM
I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.
 
2012-08-09 10:54:50 AM
I think Obama has achieved Maximum Trolling!!

Sling those lies than decry lying in politics, then get called on lying and say that your own action is proof of your earlier statement.

Take notes boys, the master is at work
 
2012-08-09 11:06:53 AM

Weaver95: I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.


And not a single vote will be lost because of this. No one except for us internet weirdos and MAYBE The Daily Show will call him on it.
 
2012-08-09 11:13:32 AM
Romney's camp is crying that a SuperPAC is lying? That's rich.
 
2012-08-09 11:15:00 AM
I'm starting to wonder if Romney actually understand the words that are coming out of his own mouth.
 
2012-08-09 11:18:00 AM

Via Infinito: I'm starting to wonder if Romney actually understand the words that are coming out of his own mouth.


I don't think they're coming out of his mouth
 
2012-08-09 11:19:02 AM
If you're an AL manager opposed to the DH rule you don't bat your pitcher in protest.
 
2012-08-09 11:20:56 AM

Weaver95: I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.



...what was the lie here? what was the statement made unblinkingly by romney? or is this just a boiler plate comment that you're putting at the top of romney-related threads?
 
2012-08-09 11:28:50 AM

thomps: Weaver95: I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.


...what was the lie here? what was the statement made unblinkingly by romney? or is this just a boiler plate comment that you're putting at the top of romney-related threads?


are you familiar with the concept of 'lies of omission'?
 
2012-08-09 11:30:40 AM

Weaver95: thomps: Weaver95: I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.


...what was the lie here? what was the statement made unblinkingly by romney? or is this just a boiler plate comment that you're putting at the top of romney-related threads?

are you familiar with the concept of 'lies of omission'?


what was the lie of omission that romney so easily let spill without so much as a blink? this just seems like garden variety campaign trail sparring.
 
2012-08-09 11:40:58 AM

thomps: Weaver95: thomps: Weaver95: I don't see how he does it. How does Romney lie so easily and without any signs of guilt or remorse? He just stands up there in full view of everyone in the damn country and the lies just flow like water. Not once does Romney blink, even when caught in his more blatant acts of hypocrisy or his lies. he just skips over the truth and goes right on with the lies.

its kinda eerie.


...what was the lie here? what was the statement made unblinkingly by romney? or is this just a boiler plate comment that you're putting at the top of romney-related threads?

are you familiar with the concept of 'lies of omission'?

what was the lie of omission that romney so easily let spill without so much as a blink? this just seems like garden variety campaign trail sparring.


in this article? Romney isn't directly quoted, he's working through his campaign aides...who are conveniently ignoring how GOP superpacs have been acting over the past two years...so i'm not sure what it is you're driving at. is this 'business as usual'? not really. not given how much money we're talking about, which is rather unprecedented. are we talking about 'both sides are bad'? well...there's an element of truth to that when it comes to fundraising...but the GOP takes the concept of dirty money to levels that would embarrass the hell outta even the most corrupt roman emperor.

Even having your campaign aides do your talking is a dodge. if/when the campaign aide gets caught omitting key facts, Romney simply cuts the aide loose and pretends it was all someone else's fault. Remember - he likes firing people.
 
2012-08-09 11:45:02 AM

Weaver95: Even having your campaign aides do your talking is a dodge. if/when the campaign aide gets caught omitting key facts, Romney simply cuts the aide loose and pretends it was all someone else's fault. Remember - he likes firing people.


wait, romney is firing aides now? does he at least blink when he's doing it?

yes, romney made a "both sides are bad" argument. that's not a lie, it's a logical fallacy. both are operating within the political landscape that was laid before them. you can get pissy about a lot of things that romney says and does, but this statement just seems like a stupid one to waste energy on.
 
2012-08-09 11:49:05 AM

thomps: Weaver95: Even having your campaign aides do your talking is a dodge. if/when the campaign aide gets caught omitting key facts, Romney simply cuts the aide loose and pretends it was all someone else's fault. Remember - he likes firing people.

wait, romney is firing aides now? does he at least blink when he's doing it?


oh i'm sure he fires 'em all the time. it just doesn't make the news is all.

yes, romney made a "both sides are bad" argument. that's not a lie, it's a logical fallacy. both are operating within the political landscape that was laid before them. you can get pissy about a lot of things that romney says and does, but this statement just seems like a stupid one to waste energy on.

yeah...expecting a candidate to actually say truthful things IS kind of stupid.
 
2012-08-09 11:49:09 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Via Infinito: I'm starting to wonder if Romney actually understand the words that are coming out of his own mouth.

I don't think they're coming out of his mouth


Yeah, I think the speaker is somewhere near the top of his chest.

The amazing thing is that such a huge percentage of potential voters don't seem to understand the words that are coming out of his mouth. It's like words have no meaning anymore and reality is just a distraction.
 
2012-08-09 11:54:42 AM

Weaver95: oh i'm sure he fires 'em all the time. it just doesn't make the news is all.


you've created an awesome caricature in your mind. i bet he's involved in all sorts of twisted deviant sex acts too, right? aw man that guy is the worst.

Weaver95: yeah...expecting a candidate to actually say truthful things IS kind of stupid.


again, he's not really lying here. he's just saying that he thinks it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac launched a very shady anti-romney ad (which *gasp* may contain misrepresentations and lies).
 
2012-08-09 11:59:53 AM

thomps: Weaver95: oh i'm sure he fires 'em all the time. it just doesn't make the news is all.

you've created an awesome caricature in your mind. i bet he's involved in all sorts of twisted deviant sex acts too, right? aw man that guy is the worst.


you might find this difficult to believe but I actively try to avoid picturing Romney in any sort of sexual position and/or situation.

Weaver95: yeah...expecting a candidate to actually say truthful things IS kind of stupid.

again, he's not really lying here. he's just saying that he thinks it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac launched a very shady anti-romney ad (which *gasp* may contain misrepresentations and lies).


...and the lie of omission is that neither Romney nor Obama have any direct control or contact with what superpacs do or how they operate. Romney (and his campaign aides) know that even if Romney or Obama WANTED to direct a superpac to do or not do something, they don't have the authority to do so...but Romney implies that Obama DOES have that power, and that's called a 'lie of omission'. Romney is implying something that is not true, and intentionally misleading voters by leaving out key facts.
 
2012-08-09 12:00:50 PM

Weaver95: ...and the lie of omission is that neither Romney nor Obama have any direct control or contact with what superpacs do or how they operate. Romney (and his campaign aides) know that even if Romney or Obama WANTED to direct a superpac to do or not do something, they don't have the authority to do so...but Romney implies that Obama DOES have that power, and that's called a 'lie of omission'. Romney is implying something that is not true, and intentionally misleading voters by leaving out key facts.


yikes.
 
2012-08-09 12:02:21 PM

MrBallou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Via Infinito: I'm starting to wonder if Romney actually understand the words that are coming out of his own mouth.

I don't think they're coming out of his mouth

Yeah, I think the speaker is somewhere near the top of his chest.

The amazing thing is that such a huge percentage of potential voters don't seem to understand the words that are coming out of his mouth. It's like words have no meaning anymore and reality is just a distraction.


My image was somewhat lower and on the reverse
 
2012-08-09 12:05:38 PM

thomps: Weaver95: ...and the lie of omission is that neither Romney nor Obama have any direct control or contact with what superpacs do or how they operate. Romney (and his campaign aides) know that even if Romney or Obama WANTED to direct a superpac to do or not do something, they don't have the authority to do so...but Romney implies that Obama DOES have that power, and that's called a 'lie of omission'. Romney is implying something that is not true, and intentionally misleading voters by leaving out key facts.

yikes.


I know...words and facts and stuff.

scary, isn't it?
 
2012-08-09 12:08:15 PM
Let's keep it civil in here, okay? No low blows, biting, poking the eyes, or signing people up for Playboy without their permission.
 
2012-08-09 12:12:35 PM

MrBallou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Via Infinito: I'm starting to wonder if Romney actually understand the words that are coming out of his own mouth.

I don't think they're coming out of his mouth

Yeah, I think the speaker is somewhere near the top of his chest.

The amazing thing is that such a huge percentage of potential voters don't seem to understand the words that are coming out of his mouth. It's like words have no meaning anymore and reality is just a distraction.




Mitti Vanilli?
 
2012-08-09 12:19:56 PM

Moderator: Let's keep it civil in here, okay? No low blows, biting, poking the eyes, or signing people up for Playboy without their permission.


Indian burns are still OK. Got it.
 
2012-08-09 12:22:20 PM

Moderator: signing people up for Playboy without their permission.


So when you told the wife that it was someone on the internet who signed you up, did she believe it?!

And did she buy it when you told her you kept it for the articles??
 
2012-08-09 12:29:15 PM
This is exactly what the Supreme Court wished for; they like the drama very much.
 
2012-08-09 12:42:24 PM

Weaver95: ...and the lie of omission is that neither Romney nor Obama have any direct control or contact with what superpacs do or how they operate. Romney (and his campaign aides) know that even if Romney or Obama WANTED to direct a superpac to do or not do something, they don't have the authority to do so...but Romney implies that Obama DOES have that power, and that's called a 'lie of omission'. Romney is implying something that is not true, and intentionally misleading voters by leaving out key facts.


Sometimes I wish we used the German model for free speech in that statements that are knowingly false are not a protected form of speech.
 
2012-08-09 12:49:09 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Sometimes I wish we used the German model for free speech in that statements that are knowingly false are not a protected form of speech.


The instant that ad aired, "Obama guts welfare reform" BECAME the truth.
 
2012-08-09 01:00:12 PM

thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac


Obama doesn't run any superpacs.
 
2012-08-09 01:07:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.


no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.
 
2012-08-09 01:11:04 PM

Moderator: Let's keep it civil in here, okay? No low blows, biting, poking the eyes, or signing people up for Playboy without their permission.


Um..just mark those emails as spam, OK? Sorry.
 
2012-08-09 01:12:04 PM

thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.


sooo...both sides are bad...?
 
2012-08-09 01:26:56 PM

meow said the dog: This is exactly what the Supreme Court wished for; they like the drama very much.


s1.moviefanfare.com

Let's settle this, for good and all!
 
2012-08-09 01:28:13 PM

Weaver95: thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.

sooo...both sides are bad...?


both sides are playing within the rules of the game the were presented to them. Dusk-You-n-Me's analogy probably puts it best. i think that probably makes both sides bad, but it's not really something to get up in arms about. it's certainly not a reason to paint some dramatic scene where romney sends icy gazes towards his recently fired aides as he spouts out lies.
 
2012-08-09 01:34:02 PM

Moderator: Let's keep it civil in here, okay? No low blows, biting, poking the eyes, or signing people up for Playboy without their permission.


Moderator runs the specific super PAC seeking filters to be placed into Congressional documents so that every time the name of Boehner is typed it changes this to the less risque word. Where will these super-PACs end?
 
2012-08-09 01:44:04 PM

thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.


True. But unless Obama was railing against Romney for the superpacs that Romney isn't controlling, then you don't have a point to make here.
 
2012-08-09 01:47:04 PM

impaler: Romney's camp is crying that a SuperPAC is lying? That's rich.


That's the joke.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think Obama has achieved Maximum Trolling!!


Oh, I can't wait to see Obama switch into Super Maximum Overdrive Trolling. I don't think we've seen ANYTHING yet.

Moderator: Let's keep it civil in here, okay? No low blows, biting, poking the eyes, or signing people up for Playboy without their permission.


*puts pen and subscription notice away*

*whistles innocently*
 
2012-08-09 01:53:06 PM

Lando Lincoln: thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.

True. But unless Obama was railing against Romney for the superpacs that Romney isn't controlling, then you don't have a point to make here.


i think the point is that the romney campaign is calling obama out for trying to distance himself from super pacs the day after an obama super pac (note: this means super pac run by former obama campaign strategists, and not the obama campaign because they are two totally separate things) ran a really sh*tty attack ad.

it's outrage on outrage over nothing.
 
2012-08-09 01:59:00 PM
Speaking to Fox News, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul also called the ad "disgusting" and "despicable." She said the ad "just shows the depth to which the Obama campaign and their allies will go to try to smear Mitt Romney."

Hey, FoxNews, you forgot to mention that Andrea Saul also said that the woman wouldn't have died if she had lived in MA because of RomneyCare.
 
2012-08-09 02:04:54 PM

thomps: Weaver95: thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.

sooo...both sides are bad...?

both sides are playing within the rules of the game the were presented to them. Dusk-You-n-Me's analogy probably puts it best. i think that probably makes both sides bad, but it's not really something to get up in arms about. it's certainly not a reason to paint some dramatic scene where romney sends icy gazes towards his recently fired aides as he spouts out lies.


so both sides are bad AND neither of them has the ability to think for themselves, break the mold and do things differently?
 
2012-08-09 02:08:31 PM

thomps: i think the point is that the romney campaign is calling obama out for trying to distance himself from super pacs the day after an obama super pac (note: this means super pac run by former obama campaign strategists, and not the obama campaign because they are two totally separate things) ran a really sh*tty attack ad.

it's outrage on outrage over nothing.


The difference is:

Romney's campaign AND Romney SuperPACs have been putting out very misleading ads.
Obama SuperPACs have been putting out very misleading ads.

You see the difference between the two?
 
2012-08-09 02:11:04 PM

Lando Lincoln: thomps: i think the point is that the romney campaign is calling obama out for trying to distance himself from super pacs the day after an obama super pac (note: this means super pac run by former obama campaign strategists, and not the obama campaign because they are two totally separate things) ran a really sh*tty attack ad.

it's outrage on outrage over nothing.

The difference is:

Romney's campaign AND Romney SuperPACs have been putting out very misleading ads.
Obama SuperPACs have been putting out very misleading ads.

You see the difference between the two?


does that difference matter at all if the context of the conversation is super pacs?
 
2012-08-09 02:18:51 PM

thomps: does that difference matter at all if the context of the conversation is super pacs?


Yes, yes it does. SuperPACs can say whatever the hell they want and the actual campaign can't do shiat about it. No one can, except stop giving money to them.

Romney most definitely can stop his own campaign from engaging in those same bullshiat tactics. But they aren't doing so.
 
2012-08-09 02:23:01 PM

Lando Lincoln: thomps: does that difference matter at all if the context of the conversation is super pacs?

Yes, yes it does. SuperPACs can say whatever the hell they want and the actual campaign can't do shiat about it. No one can, except stop giving money to them.

Romney most definitely can stop his own campaign from engaging in those same bullshiat tactics. But they aren't doing so.


that has nothing at all to do with what this article is discussing. it just amazes me that instead of saying "hm, yeah it's kind of funny that obama would make that comment the day after one of his* super pac ads blew up hard," the very Weeners is "romney lies without remorse and covertly fires all of his aides when it's politically expedient, even though that doesn't make sense." it just seems unreasonably partisan.
 
2012-08-09 02:34:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think Obama has achieved Maximum Trolling!!

Sling those lies than decry lying in politics, then get called on lying and say that your own action is proof of your earlier statement.

Take notes boys, the master is at work


Grand Master Obama. 8th degree black-belt in trolling.
 
2012-08-09 02:36:21 PM

Weaver95: thomps: Lando Lincoln: thomps: it's hypocritical for the president to call out super pacs the day after his super pac

Obama doesn't run any superpacs.

no, of course not, but former obama campaign officials do. just like former romney officials run the super pac most closely associated with him. these are legal fictions the we can probably dispense with when discussing the campaigns. i thought stewart/colbert did a good job of illustrating this whole thing with colbert's super pac months ago.

sooo...both sides are bad...?


Yes, just one side slightly less so.
 
2012-08-09 02:37:02 PM
You come off weak when you go around whining about what the other guy's ads are saying or spending inordinate amounts of time trying to debunk the ads. That is how W and Republicans beat down Kerry and the Democrats in 2004. Just attack after attack, Kerry tried to debunk the lies but that just kept the conversation right where W wanted it, bashing purple heart recipients.
 
2012-08-09 02:38:17 PM

thomps: Weaver95: ...and the lie of omission is that neither Romney nor Obama have any direct control or contact with what superpacs do or how they operate. Romney (and his campaign aides) know that even if Romney or Obama WANTED to direct a superpac to do or not do something, they don't have the authority to do so...but Romney implies that Obama DOES have that power, and that's called a 'lie of omission'. Romney is implying something that is not true, and intentionally misleading voters by leaving out key facts.

yikes.


images.tvrage.com
 
2012-08-09 02:38:26 PM
Just gonna put this out there:

accusing Rmoney of killing some lady with cancer was pretty genius - low, but genius.
 
2012-08-09 02:38:49 PM
Obama is playing to win by the rules the right wing set. He may not like the rules but they're the ones we've all been dealt.

Life is hard, Mittens. Maybe you should have listened when people said those rules you wanted are terrible.
 
2012-08-09 02:39:49 PM
Romney keeps getting stuck in logistical contradictions in his arguments, where he flubs the point either way.

There's two possibilities here:

1) Obama is a hypocrite because he put out an ad through a SuperPAC that was a lie. However, this implies that SuperPACs are not independent, that Romney knows it, and he's been wrong when he claimed his own SuperPACs are independent.

2) Obama's SuperPAC put out an ad that was a lie without Obama's knowledge. However, this implies that SuperPACs are wildly unaccountable and far too powerful, and he's been wrong when he claimed they weren't.
 
2012-08-09 02:41:04 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Obama is playing to win by the rules the right wing set. He may not like the rules but they're the ones we've all been dealt.


So much this. Obama's playing by the rules the Republicans set; so they'll die by their own sword.

Life is hard, Mittens. Maybe you should have listened when people said those rules you wanted are terrible.

That.
 
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