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2012-08-10 09:33:21 AM

ds615: I fail to understand how it matters where you like to put your penis when it comes to video games.
Also, I don't care where you put it, or what turns you on.
Do you want me to walk around telling you those things about me? No? Then shut up already.


If you're married do you wear a wedding ring? Have pictures of your family around? Go on a date in public? Talk about your significant other? Straight people come out as straight everyday by doing those things. When I do the most mundane things with my boyfriend we get strange looks for "shoving it in others' faces". For example, I never knew laundry was so scandalous. Also, we are a minority, so when we enter a new setting (like online games) it is unrealistic to expect that we'll find like minded people with similar experiences. I absolutely love gaming and have all my life. The prospect of being in an atmosphere where I can geek out with people I don't have to be guarded with is amazing. Not getting the angry eye from total strangers would be a welcome respite.
 
2012-08-10 09:40:50 AM

victrin: ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?

I usually use some variant of" You're damn right, and more of a man than you'll ever be".


When I get the right set-up, which is 99% of the time..
I use some variation of, "It's my dick, I'll do what I please with it, why are you so obsessed with a gay man's dick?"(sub in ass for dick, or whatever, as needed), listen to them stutter a bit then flip their mic off.

Gay, straight, female, male, doesn't really matter, if you can slip something out there, even something practiced(and believe it, they say such things so often it's a practiced act), if it's clever, most either give you props or shut the fark up. Some like an exchange or two before they're satisfied that you're cool and not some weak link, but the result is the same. Rare is the actually determined bigot. (atleast on xbox)
 
2012-08-10 09:44:49 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: You sound like the twit I was arguing with in one of the Chick-fil-A threads who kept carrying on about how homosexuals fighting for equal rights are doing it to be trendy and are hypocrits because they're "ignoring" the plight of gay black men with AIDS.


No I'm just farking tired of the gays standing there going "poor me", legally they've all the legal defences as a straight person. The little list of 'crimes' that person allegedly had committed against them are just that: crimes. They'll be investigated, that person can take the others to court and most likely win. Nor I hasted to add did the gays get farked over by Press For Change like the Trans people did. A really nice long game scam that one; they get theirs and fark you buddy.
Plod comes along and beats them with a Asp (read: Nightstick for American plod) someone'll be posting it on YouTube and they'll get a nice cheque cut. Not so much for a TS,

Welcome to the GLBT community (hint: there isn't actually one), your flak jacket is over there I suggest you wear it. And yes, its normally a lot more hostile; I'm being polite.
 
2012-08-11 01:05:24 AM

Vaneshi: Welcome to the GLBT community (hint: there isn't actually one)


[warning, long post, not necessarily all directed at you, so bear with my rambling, I'm in that kind of mood]

I'll give you that trans can have it a bit harder. I think a lot of it is do to the "ick" evolutionary mechanic I talked about above. It doesn't take much to trigger that subconscious response(we also have it for the handicapped and deformed), and at least some trans are a bit...obvious, and of course knowledge of the situation can set off that aversion as well.

And yeah, there is no all inclusive community like people pretend. There are as many varying stances within the GBLT's as there are in any other group. [pre-emptive disclaimer: a lot of csb / anecdotal evidence follows] I see a LOT of negativity originating in the "normal" gay population. The extra catty, the one's that are typically normal people until someone walks by who they percieve might be a bit 'phobic, and then turn the gay up to 11. The competitively flamboyant.

Cool confidence is one thing. Shoving pride in everyone's face isn't quite as tolerable, nor is people claiming that their hurt from X is worse. 9 times out of 10, it's the hurt is delivered with the same intent. "I'm better, so I'm going to do X to this person because the freak me out and I need to prove myself." It's part dominance issue, part fear issue. Certainly not exclusive to straight people.

Oddly enough, the trans I've met(and obviously the one's I don't know about) are just trying to get along. the queens are fairly nice unless you actually take it to them. Sure they dress very loudly, but so do pimps and gangsters and goths and emo's, but are usually sweethearts, like a nice old grandmother or aunt, very mentor like, you wouldn't think someone dressed that loudly could play it so modestly, but they do it very well.

Whether it be race, sexuality, or geekdom, every punch in the back while you go down the hallway hurts just the same.

A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.

Think of it as a job interview. You're applying to get a job with Citizen Corporation, a very professional environment.
Of course you are showered and shaved, but are you figuratively dressed like this:
steynian.files.wordpress.com

Or like this:
img.poptower.com

SLC Punk:
It's not selling out, it's buying in.

And no. It's not "acting straight". It's more of a shift in projected class. Clowns(on the clock), bums, and hipsters and perez hilton almost always have none. Guys in suits with the right attitude, can have it in spades. It projects, "I am to be taken seriously" instead of, "I'm going to annoy the ever loving fark out of you for every milisecond that I'm in your presence"

If you want to convince people that you are worthy of a position, you have to kind of actually be worthy in the end. Act like a child and you'll get treated like one.
 
2012-08-11 04:55:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.


Isn't this the same argument people use about the black Civil Rights Movement? That those uppity blacks should have just played nice?

Injustice shouldn't be taken lying down. Sometimes it takes civil obedience; sometimes it takes standing up to iniquity.

You seem to think that being nice and polite will win people over; it won't. People are confrontational because they want to show strength, that they're not going to back down, that they don't want to be marginalized and bullied. It's not about getting people to join their ranks--it's about defeating the enemy. These are people standing in the way of tolerance and equality, and there's nothing nice you can do to them to get them to help you.
 
2012-08-11 11:29:28 AM

austerity101: omeganuepsilon: A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.

Isn't this the same argument people use about the black Civil Rights Movement? That those uppity blacks should have just played nice?

Injustice shouldn't be taken lying down. Sometimes it takes civil obedience; sometimes it takes standing up to iniquity.

You seem to think that being nice and polite will win people over; it won't. People are confrontational because they want to show strength, that they're not going to back down, that they don't want to be marginalized and bullied. It's not about getting people to join their ranks--it's about defeating the enemy. These are people standing in the way of tolerance and equality, and there's nothing nice you can do to them to get them to help you.


No, it's not the same thing.

The guy who got listened to:
encrypted-tbn1.google.com
Do I need a desription of who this is?

The one's who didn't:
wagingnonviolence.org

You respectably can buy into society and still contest it's laws and cultural interplay. You also have to do it in the right places and to the right people. Being an asshole to all whites anytime and any place, didn't do any real good, not to mention actual violence / destructiveness.

If the end goal is to live life like everyone else and get along, you have to prove to the public's mind that you can. If you seem like a menace or a perversion, people will fight you tooth and nail.
 
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