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2012-08-09 09:47:37 AM  
There's a Wii joke in there but I just woke up.
 
2012-08-09 10:16:08 AM  

Mugato: There's a Wii joke in there but I just woke up.


They're comparing notes on how to best make their Wii fit?
 
2012-08-09 10:16:13 AM  
so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?
 
2012-08-09 10:28:34 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: There's a Wii joke in there but I just woke up.

They're comparing notes on how to best make their Wii fit?


Ahhh there it is.

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?


Breeder.
 
2012-08-09 10:39:05 AM  
So is teabagging in a FPS still an insult?
 
2012-08-09 12:41:29 PM  

Mugato: So is teabagging in a FPS still an insult?


No, now it's a come on.
 
2012-08-09 12:42:06 PM  
The cosplay is going to be fabolous!
 
2012-08-09 12:43:48 PM  

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?


I just wonder if they're under the impression that somehow that 12 year old on the other side of the internet learned their sexual identity, hence all the slurs.

From TFA:
It's not uncommon for women, homosexual and minority gamers to find themselves assaulted with epithets during online gaming sessions or chased from the games they love by threatening, abusive and bigoted players.

Look, dumbasses, it isn't just the women, the homosexuals, and the minorities getting the slurs. It's EVERYBODY. We don't like it either, but as long as shiatty parents turn their poorly behaved kids loose online with zero supervision and other assholes roam the earth, we're stuck with it. Either mute everybody else, play only with known friends, or just learn to appreciate single player.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:53 PM  
1UP does not mean you get an extra life and you probably don't want to know where the 'UP' is.
 
2012-08-09 12:50:03 PM  
Subby, it's Gaymers
 
2012-08-09 12:53:37 PM  
will it be catered by Chik-Fil-A?
 
2012-08-09 01:05:13 PM  

Pinner: Subby, it's Gaymers


oh god
 
2012-08-09 01:09:02 PM  

Theaetetus: orfag


... that's an odd filter. It deleted the space, but that's it.
 
2012-08-09 01:14:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Theaetetus: orfag

... that's an odd filter. It deleted the space, but that's it.


Apparently, the comment has also been removed, too. ;)
 
2012-08-09 01:15:55 PM  
PiffMan420 The cosplay is going to be fabolous!

50% FF, 30% BioWare, 20% Pokemon?
 
2012-08-09 01:17:03 PM  

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?


Meh. I just ignore it. I learned to develop a pretty thick skin back in the original EQ days.
 
2012-08-09 01:18:23 PM  

xanadian: Theaetetus: Theaetetus: orfag

... that's an odd filter. It deleted the space, but that's it.

Apparently, the comment has also been removed, too. ;)


Odd... I still see it. Here, I repost:
akula: Look, dumbasses, it isn't just the women, the homosexuals, and the minorities getting the slurs. It's EVERYBODY.

Yes, but the slurs don't involve calling someone a white heterosexual male. I don't believe I've ever been insulted with, "you filthy 1-percenter!" or "go die in a fire, you heterosexual married guy!" Even when men, heterosexuals, and white folks get insulted, the slurs still involve calling people pussy, biatch, nubian, or [f-word]. And trying to either sympathize, or - as you're doing - dismissing their complaints by saying, "it's okay, you homosexual person, they called me 'gay' too, so I was also insulted" not only misses the point, it also insults them again.

We don't like it either, but as long as shiatty parents turn their poorly behaved kids loose online with zero supervision and other assholes roam the earth, we're stuck with it. Either mute everybody else, play only with known friends, or just learn to appreciate single player.

Or, the alternate option, which I really like: publicly shame them.
 
2012-08-09 01:23:18 PM  

xanadian: Theaetetus: Theaetetus: orfag

... that's an odd filter. It deleted the space, but that's it.

Apparently, the comment has also been removed, too. ;)


Did the repost show up?
 
2012-08-09 01:33:18 PM  
Running a convention costs a shiatload more than $25,000.
 
2012-08-09 01:34:21 PM  

Theaetetus: Yes, but the slurs don't involve calling someone a white heterosexual male. I don't believe I've ever been insulted with, "you filthy 1-percenter!" or "go die in a fire, you heterosexual married guy!" Even when men, heterosexuals, and white folks get insulted, the slurs still involve calling people pussy, biatch, nubian, or [f-word].


You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Then, I guess I play in the US Southwest region for most games, so possibly there are simply more brownish types that connect to the same regional servers.

Oh, and you'd better not admit to being married, that'll get you an avalanche of invective from your or both teams depending on the comms setup.

Basically, stop white-knighting for the stupid, over-sensitive idiots, they still won't sleep with you.

//Also, people get called dicks all the time, why should the other gender's gonads be treated with more respect?
 
2012-08-09 01:38:32 PM  
Bronies. bronies everywhere.
 
2012-08-09 01:41:30 PM  

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?


They mute them just like everyone else.

I don't really see the point of this convention, aside from trying to show publishers that this demographic exists and amke up a good portion of the consumers.
 
2012-08-09 01:48:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.


Such as?

Basically, stop white-knighting for the stupid, over-sensitive idiots, they still won't sleep with you.

That you think people always lie and have selfish ulterior motives any time they help someone says more about you than me. You're a sad, pitiful and pitiable man. I hope you get some help, some day. Really, I do. And I'm not saying that because I want you to sleep with me. I honestly think you have a lot of personal troubles. It gets better, bro.
 
2012-08-09 01:56:31 PM  
Gay, gay, gay, gay gay gay gaygaygaygaygay.
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAY.

So special.
 
2012-08-09 01:56:32 PM  

akula: ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?

I just wonder if they're under the impression that somehow that 12 year old on the other side of the internet learned their sexual identity, hence all the slurs.

From TFA:
It's not uncommon for women, homosexual and minority gamers to find themselves assaulted with epithets during online gaming sessions or chased from the games they love by threatening, abusive and bigoted players.

Look, dumbasses, it isn't just the women, the homosexuals, and the minorities getting the slurs. It's EVERYBODY. We don't like it either, but as long as shiatty parents turn their poorly behaved kids loose online with zero supervision and other assholes roam the earth, we're stuck with it. Either mute everybody else, play only with known friends, or just learn to appreciate single player.


So - give up is what you are saying? Fark that - I simply refuse to do that. Public shaming works rather well. There is was one server on WoW who managed to get all the 13 year boys to stop with the gay slurs. It took a few months but it eventually worked.
 
2012-08-09 02:00:24 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?

They mute them just like everyone else.

I don't really see the point of this convention, aside from trying to show publishers that this demographic exists and amke up a good portion of the consumers.


I find it interesting to find other like minded gamers. Just as I attended 'queercon' (gay hackers) at DEF CON in Vegas this year and will be attending gaylaxicon (gay science fiction and fantasy con) in Minneapolis later this year. Its not for you - we get it - then don't go.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:35 PM  
As a straight white dude who loves video games but hates hearing the shiat talking anyone who isn't a 15 year old basement dweller gets, I gladly donated to this KS. and would do so again. And if it was it in my area, I would go.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:58 PM  

xanadian: FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: There's a Wii joke in there but I just woke up.

They're comparing notes on how to best make their Wii fit?

Ahhh there it is.

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?

Breeder.


Your mama
 
2012-08-09 02:15:50 PM  

Myria: Running a convention costs a shiatload more than $25,000.


Not necessarily. Hotel spaces can be found for cheap if you're not picky and many cons start from scratch at $0, only relying on pre-registrations, a decent hotel contract and a lot of hope/luck. You'd be amazed what can be accomplished with a skilled con committee. These guys are doing VERY well with a starting pot of $37K.
 
2012-08-09 02:16:50 PM  

Theaetetus: xanadian: Theaetetus: Theaetetus: orfag

... that's an odd filter. It deleted the space, but that's it.

Apparently, the comment has also been removed, too. ;)

Did the repost show up?


Yup. You must've activated the Boobies filter (or something like it) when using the f-word. Apparently, you are the only one that will see the post under those conditions.
 
2012-08-09 02:17:45 PM  
How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"

If you are doing that, you deserve ridicule. Who the hell cares who you're gonna sleep with after you're done slaying virtual demons or whatever the fark? Why do we need to know that?
 
2012-08-09 02:19:43 PM  
Do they gay .wad files?
 
2012-08-09 02:21:37 PM  
Do they have...I'm so gay.
 
2012-08-09 02:21:57 PM  

xanadian: Yup. You must've activated the Boobies filter (or something like it) when using the f-word. Apparently, you are the only one that will see the post under those conditions.


Ha! Well, you can go hunter2 my hunter2ing hunter2!
 
2012-08-09 02:27:48 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"

If you are doing that, you deserve ridicule. Who the hell cares who you're gonna sleep with after you're done slaying virtual demons or whatever the fark? Why do we need to know that?


This guy tries his best to explain why it's important to many people.
 
2012-08-09 02:29:08 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"


1. Do they need to know? Insulting someone by calling them gay implies that being gay is undesirable... and that's pretty hateful.

2. Most harassment and discrimination that is allegedly based on sexual orientation is actually based on gender stereotypes. A woman's not properly feminine? Call her the d-word, even though you've never seen her muff diving. A man's not properly masculine? Call him the f-word, even though you've never watched him smoke pole.
In multiplayer video games, these may translate to a woman being better than the snot-nosed kid: see, for example, the majority of the screencaps on Fat, Ugly, or Slutty. Or it may translate to a man having a non-masculine-sounding voice on chat.

In other words, for multiple reasons, they don't need to know at all.
 
2012-08-09 02:31:57 PM  
I've found having a couple mix CDs of female pop artists to blast into the headphones when the basement tards start talking is an effective way to deal with them. That, and then trying to hunt the moron down.

"YOU'RE A F****T!"

"You just signed up for Hannah Montana"
 
2012-08-09 02:34:37 PM  

Theaetetus: Yes, but the slurs don't involve calling someone a white heterosexual male


Point, but I was more reacting to TFA that made it sound like this was only experienced by those of the various groups. When you carpet bomb insults like these little twerps, of course you're finally going to score some hits on folks who are of the various demographics you have chosen to insult. It just read like it was written by someone who had precious little idea how foul these little shiats are.

gingerjet: So - give up is what you are saying? Fark that - I simply refuse to do that. Public shaming works rather well. There is was one server on WoW who managed to get all the 13 year boys to stop with the gay slurs. It took a few months but it eventually worked.


Nice. But the thing is, draining the swamp takes a rather large effort- as you say, it took a few months just for ONE WoW server. For those without the time and effort to spend on that, it's more realistic to adjust one's activities. Avoiding the bad part of town is easier for the average person than it is to stamp out crime entirely.
 
2012-08-09 02:35:43 PM  

Lumpmoose: This guy tries his best to explain why it's important to many people.


From your link:
After all, when so many readers seem confused about the point of a gay gamer convention, and seem viciously angry about it, they definitely need to be sat down and talked to.

akula: Look, dumbasses...

Jim_Callahan: ... stupid, over-sensitive idiots...

Occam's Nailfile: ... you deserve ridicule...


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-08-09 02:40:34 PM  
How to define yourself as "The Other" in one easy step.
 
2012-08-09 02:42:28 PM  

Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?


Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Seriously? You don't know any racist epithets for white people? Where are you from, Norway?
 
2012-08-09 02:42:38 PM  
 
2012-08-09 02:43:55 PM  
I played COD a while back with a guy named "Warning: I'm Gay" or something along those lines. The whole lobby quickly berated him then after completely destroyed them in the match they asked him if he was really gay and seemed apologetic. He said "No. I just like pissing people off." I found it hilarious.
 
2012-08-09 02:45:29 PM  

Detinwolf: Pinner: Subby, it's Gaymers

oh god


The subreddit has been around for over a year and a half.
 
2012-08-09 02:46:00 PM  

gingerjet: I find it interesting to find other like minded gamers.


As do I, whether they're gay or straight or male or female. More of my gay friends play video games than my straight friends, and our opinions on different games don't really seem to be influenced much by our secual preference.

Just as I attended 'queercon' (gay hackers) at DEF CON in Vegas this year and will be attending gaylaxicon (gay science fiction and fantasy con) in Minneapolis later this year. Its not for you - we get it - then don't go

And that's fine, I understand it's not for me. I just don't see what the point is of segregating a niche audience down even further might be. If there was an only straight male sci-fi convention it would be directed at me, and I wouldn't go because that sounds boring as hell. Not trying at all to say that the convention shouldn't happen, I just don't understand the point of it when I'd rather see greater diversity at any sci-fi convention, but not understanding the point of it, as a straight male, might be the point in and of itself.

As for not going, that's kind of brush off attitude. I'd probably enjoy going, I went to and supported my friends growing up going with them to GBLT proms in the Twin Cities, and those were way better than the straight proms my school held. That was like a decade ago, so I don't know if they still do that.
 
2012-08-09 02:46:02 PM  

Lumpmoose: Occam's Nailfile: How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"

If you are doing that, you deserve ridicule. Who the hell cares who you're gonna sleep with after you're done slaying virtual demons or whatever the fark? Why do we need to know that?

This guy tries his best to explain why it's important to many people.


Great article actually and a good read for anyone wondering why there are any form of events that focus on minorities.

Just reading this thread -- and Fark is actually a pretty open minded environment to be fair -- and you can easily see how society makes gays and lesbians feel like lesser people. We make them out to be something to ridicule and make light of at the best of times.
 
2012-08-09 02:47:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.


Of course it's easy for us to shrug off, we're in the majority, both socially and politically. It's the difference between insulting someone for being poor and insulting someone for being rich. Or insulting someone for being gay and insulting someone for being heterosexual. When you're in the majority, insulting you for being a member of the majority is no threat.
We're white, heterosexual, wealthy men. We have no freakin' clue what it's like to be harassed or discriminated against based on our status, so we really have no business telling other people that they should just "shrug it off".
 
2012-08-09 02:51:58 PM  

Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Of course it's easy for us to shrug off, we're in the majority, both socially and politically. It's the difference between insulting someone for being poor and insulting someone for being rich. Or insulting someone for being gay and insulting someone for being heterosexual. When you're in the majority, insulting you for being a member of the majority is no threat.
We're white, heterosexual, wealthy men. We have no freakin' clue what it's like to be harassed or discriminated against based on our status, so we really have no business telling other people that they should just "shrug it off".


I guess you stay clear of the ghetto.
 
2012-08-09 02:54:11 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I've found having a couple mix CDs of female pop artists to blast into the headphones when the basement tards start talking is an effective way to deal with them. That, and then trying to hunt the moron down.

"YOU'RE A F****T!"

"You just signed up for Hannah Montana"



BALLS
BALLS
BALLS
BALLS
BALLS OF STEEEELLLL
 
2012-08-09 03:01:41 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Of course it's easy for us to shrug off, we're in the majority, both socially and politically. It's the difference between insulting someone for being poor and insulting someone for being rich. Or insulting someone for being gay and insulting someone for being heterosexual. When you're in the majority, insulting you for being a member of the majority is no threat.
We're white, heterosexual, wealthy men. We have no freakin' clue what it's like to be harassed or discriminated against based on our status, so we really have no business telling other people that they should just "shrug it off".

I guess you stay clear of the ghetto.


You know, you should attend this convention and tell people that they should just let harassment roll off their backs because you've been called "white" before, so you feel their pain.

You should also film it.
 
2012-08-09 03:08:32 PM  

Mugato: So is teabagging in a FPS still an insult?


foreplay
 
2012-08-09 03:26:15 PM  
Who uses a joystck anymore?
 
2012-08-09 03:27:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: There's a Wii joke in there but I just woke up.

They're comparing notes on how to best make their Wii fit?


"Let's all play with our Wii-ners!"
 
2012-08-09 03:29:42 PM  

Theaetetus: farkingismybusiness: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Of course it's easy for us to shrug off, we're in the majority, both socially and politically. It's the difference between insulting someone for being poor and insulting someone for being rich. Or insulting someone for being gay and insulting someone for being heterosexual. When you're in the majority, insulting you for being a member of the majority is no threat.
We're white, heterosexual, wealthy men. We have no freakin' clue what it's like to be harassed or discriminated against based on our status, so we really have no business telling other people that they should just "shrug it off".

I guess you stay clear of the ghetto.

You know, you should attend this convention and tell people that they should just let harassment roll off their backs because you've been called "white" before, so you feel their pain.

You should also film it.


I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male. I can get harassed for just about anything. Questioning my sexuality is usually the first insult hurled. Maybe I should read the article.
 
2012-08-09 04:10:49 PM  

PiffMan420: The cosplay is going to be fabolous!


Having attended a Gaylaxicon (Sci-Fi community there to cater to the gay community) to help with a costuming-related event, that stereotype doesn't hold up. The costume contest ended up with 90% local ringers who were called in on a favor to make it look like it was an actual contest.
 
2012-08-09 04:21:13 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Seriously? You don't know any racist epithets for white people? Where are you from, Norway?


see also: caspar, honky, white trash, squarehead for the Northern Euros, wop/guido/greaseball (my favorite!) for Eye-talians, etc.
 
2012-08-09 04:24:29 PM  
Interesting Gay gamers kickstart their first convention

"treat us like everyone else", "Separate but equal is evil"

"We want to be segregated"

// special interest groups are r-tarded.
 
2012-08-09 04:29:09 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"

If you are doing that, you deserve ridicule. Who the hell cares who you're gonna sleep with after you're done slaying virtual demons or whatever the fark? Why do we need to know that?


Dude? It's a gaming convention - a social occasion for young people - and that means , in at least some sense, potential dating opportunities. Gays go to gay bars to socialize because they are more likely to meet potential mates there than at a "regular" venue where the vast majority are hetero. Likewise, gay cruises, festivals, and yes - gaming conventions.
It's nothing against us - they prefer to socialize with their own because it improves their chances of getting laid - much as we do.
 
2012-08-09 04:55:59 PM  

OnlyM3: Interesting Gay gamers kickstart their first convention
"treat us like everyone else", "Separate but equal is evil"

"We want to be segregated"

// special interest groups are r-tarded.


Having a convention = "want to be segregated"? I know you're a troll, but I didn't know you were THAT retarded.
 
2012-08-09 04:56:46 PM  
Considering there are no female models in the game, that must be who this Team Fortress 2 item is being pitched to:

Link

(Oh yeah, and it's $99.99!)

Also, the character voiced by John Patrick Lowrie is called "The Sniper", not "The Assassin", as the article states. Did MSNBC fire their fact checkers? Wait-don't answer that.
 
2012-08-09 05:19:42 PM  

Geotpf: Considering there are no female models in the game, that must be who this Team Fortress 2 item is being pitched to:

Link

(Oh yeah, and it's $99.99!)

Also, the character voiced by John Patrick Lowrie is called "The Sniper", not "The Assassin", as the article states. Did MSNBC fire their fact checkers? Wait-don't answer that.


When it comes to video games, no news agency ever does any sort of research or fact-checking.
 
2012-08-09 06:50:43 PM  
It's fairly obvious why gay people need to let (at least some) people know that they are gay.

Because straight people are a large majority, assuming someone is straight until you learn otherwise is usually a safe bet. Human mating rituals are, as far as I can tell from careful obsevation, based on trying many times to achieve a goal with a very low chance of succeess, and that is in a world where most people of the appropriate gender are potential partners.

Gay people, if they left everything up to blind chance, would be forced to contend with an extra variable.

If you're a guy hitting on a girl, you don't have to worry aout her sexual orientation. If you're a guy hitting on a randomly chosen guy, you've already lost 90% of the time.

If you stick to hitting guys you already know are gay, then you get past the first hurdle. In the Zerg Rush of dating tactics, where you win by trying and failing many times, this is important.

Thus, everyone offended when gay people make it clear that they are gay needs to grow up. The only reason we straight people don't do the same thing is that we don't have to.

/There are lots of other reasons why I can't get dates
//I'm ignoring the other reasons gay-themed conventions exist
 
2012-08-09 06:56:24 PM  

NetOwl: It's fairly obvious why gay people need to let (at least some) people know that they are gay.

Because straight people are a large majority, assuming someone is straight until you learn otherwise is usually a safe bet. Human mating rituals are, as far as I can tell from careful obsevation, based on trying many times to achieve a goal with a very low chance of succeess, and that is in a world where most people of the appropriate gender are potential partners.

Gay people, if they left everything up to blind chance, would be forced to contend with an extra variable.

If you're a guy hitting on a girl, you don't have to worry aout her sexual orientation. If you're a guy hitting on a randomly chosen guy, you've already lost 90% of the time.

If you stick to hitting guys you already know are gay, then you get past the first hurdle. In the Zerg Rush of dating tactics, where you win by trying and failing many times, this is important.

Thus, everyone offended when gay people make it clear that they are gay needs to grow up. The only reason we straight people don't do the same thing is that we don't have to.

/There are lots of other reasons why I can't get dates
//I'm ignoring the other reasons gay-themed conventions exist


/zerg rush
//kekekekekekeke
 
2012-08-09 07:06:18 PM  

Theaetetus:
Or, the alternate option, which I really like: publicly shame them.


Yes that'll work. Instead of a boot to the head the little rotten crotch fruit now feels "internet famous". Good plan...

better way is to follow them and ruin every single gaming experience they have and hold dear; at every turn you simple respond with an audioloop of "TROLOLOLOLOLOL" until the person quite literally quits doing anything with that character/tag/etc.

They want grief play? Give it to them, then enjoy their tears.
 
2012-08-09 07:09:17 PM  

gingerjet:
So - give up is what you are saying? Fark that - I simply refuse to do that. Public shaming works rather well. There is was one server on WoW who managed to get all the 13 year boys to stop with the gay slurs. It took a few months but it eventually worked.


It's called "being banned for violating the Terms of Service", I admit it does however rely on the company taking such reports seriously; most don't.
 
2012-08-09 09:29:06 PM  
Part of the price of being accepted into straight society is straight guys in your clubs.

/not that I mind, just don't look at me funny if I'm looking at you funny.
 
2012-08-09 09:35:39 PM  

studebaker hoch: Part of the price of being accepted into straight society is straight guys in your clubs.

/not that I mind, just don't look at me funny if I'm looking at you funny.


"Everyone is invited to the con - gay or straight."

Their doors are open. How about we open ours?
 
2012-08-09 09:41:47 PM  
I fail to understand how it matters where you like to put your penis when it comes to video games.
Also, I don't care where you put it, or what turns you on.
Do you want me to walk around telling you those things about me? No? Then shut up already.
 
2012-08-09 10:03:01 PM  

ds615: I fail to understand how it matters where you like to put your penis when it comes to video games.
Also, I don't care where you put it, or what turns you on.
Do you want me to walk around telling you those things about me? No? Then shut up already.


Jesus Christ - you think it's all about you, don't you, dumbass?
You think gay people have their own gaming convention to send some unwelcome message to YOU.
News flash - they don't give a rat's ass what you think.
They want to socialize with their own, thus increasing their chance of getting laid - just like we do.
Dumbass.
 
2012-08-09 10:16:10 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: How the hell does someone on the other end of a MMORPG know you're gay, unless you're running around saying "I'm gay?"

If you are doing that, you deserve ridicule. Who the hell cares who you're gonna sleep with after you're done slaying virtual demons or whatever the fark? Why do we need to know that?


I guess the fair turnaround would be, why would anyone call someone else f@g, unless 1) they knew the other person was gay, 2) they harboured a bias against gays, and 3) they wanted the other person to know that? Or could it just be that a lot of people toss around ugly words because they're ugly themselves?
 
2012-08-09 10:16:30 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah

studebaker hoch: Part of the price of being accepted into straight society is straight guys in your clubs.

/not that I mind, just don't look at me funny if I'm looking at you funny.

"Everyone is invited to the con - gay or straight."

Their doors are open. How about we open ours?


I always tell straight kids where the party isn't.
 
2012-08-09 10:17:48 PM  

ds615: Also, I don't care where you put it, or what turns you on.


Then why are you buying tickets?
 
2012-08-09 10:19:09 PM  
Now maybe my gay friends will stop making fun of me for playing video games.

/that might just be proof my gay friends and I are old
 
2012-08-09 10:21:09 PM  
If you're gay and old, you're a survivor.

/and gay.

/and old.
 
2012-08-09 10:26:38 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.


I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.
 
2012-08-09 10:29:20 PM  

dumbobruni: Jim_Callahan: Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: You either really don't pay attention (laudable, I guess) or you play solely on KKK servers or something. I get whiteness-based insults all the time.

Such as?

Cracker and gringo and variations thereof, mostly. It's not really any more creative than any other form of namecalling you get on Live, for really _good_ insults you've got to get someone relatively clever mad at you, which isn't going to happen in 13-year-old-boy land. Pretty easy to shrug that weak shiat off, same as with all the similarly weak 'gay' shiat.

Seriously? You don't know any racist epithets for white people? Where are you from, Norway?

see also: caspar, honky, white trash, squarehead for the Northern Euros, wop/guido/greaseball (my favorite!) for Eye-talians, etc.


That's a good start. Now match it up with the centuries of very real oppression and subjection and brutality against Whites in America under the thumb of other races, and the government itself, and you've got half a case.
 
2012-08-09 10:52:47 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: OnlyM3: Interesting Gay gamers kickstart their first convention
"treat us like everyone else", "Separate but equal is evil"

"We want to be segregated"

// special interest groups are r-tarded.

Having a convention = "want to be segregated"? I know you're a troll, but I didn't know you were THAT retarded.


haven't seen anyone bite on M3 bait in a long time....you should feel dirty
 
2012-08-09 11:07:03 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Keizer_Ghidorah: OnlyM3: Interesting Gay gamers kickstart their first convention
"treat us like everyone else", "Separate but equal is evil"

"We want to be segregated"

// special interest groups are r-tarded.

Having a convention = "want to be segregated"? I know you're a troll, but I didn't know you were THAT retarded.

haven't seen anyone bite on M3 bait in a long time....you should feel dirty


Hey, it's not like I tried to debate the dork.
 
2012-08-09 11:36:09 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.


My bad. I don't mean to offend. I spoke without really thinking. I've been day drinking today. But I've experienced half of those things just for being me. They happen to heterosexuals too. But I have experienced some of those things from a homosexual's point of view too. I've had tons of gay friends over the years, male and female. I have had plenty of confrontations with bigots while hanging out with them. My best friend's Mom is a lesbian. I absolutely feel I can commiserate with their plight.

/Sorry if I offended. I just grazed the thread and still haven't read the article.
 
2012-08-09 11:50:34 PM  
With any prefix, there seems to be 2 sides
A) Either feels that they are being treated as illlegitemate, or others act like having that prefix makes you illegitmate
B) Has 0 issue with the prefix, just notes them as people.

If there are large # of prefix A, conflict will arise.

If you find this segregational, outlandish, or neccesary you may find yourself more on the side of A. If B, ohh well, they are being pretty clear about what the convention is about. A men's/womens issues convention would probably face similar strange comments and resistance.

Any group A will have some misintepretations and haters, but in the case of Gaymers, it's pretty sad how damn large that group is. Both that many gays are forced to feel A and that others make the world so. Is it always that terrible for a group to seek legitemacy and respect?
 
2012-08-10 12:01:37 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.


Um, it's not his ability to empathize that's broken, it's yours.
You apparently lived in an area where you were not accepted, and apparently fervently Believe this is impossible for a white straight man.

If a white man were to live an area populated by black bigots, it's very plausible he would experience ALL of the things on your list of personal atrocities.

I had a white uncle that was killed by indians years before I was born, because he was white.

Here's a huge list of black on white atrocities that have supposedly been supposedly covered up since the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing.
Link

A choice example:
On Feb. 28, in Kansas City, Mo., two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch as he was returning from school. They poured gasoline on him and set him on fire for no apparent reason, saying "You get what you deserve white boy!"

But yeah, turn it into a competition over who's had what done to them. In fact, try to find that kid if he's still alive, and tell him your hurts are teh worstest because you're gay.

We all expect people to be assholes who will use their position to further their personal agenda, or we SHOULD(sad that some live in denial of the fact that they do exist in large numbers), but to light us on farking fire?
Can you empathize with the trauma from that event if the kid survived?

So you know the story is not total BS
Link
 
2012-08-10 12:09:54 AM  

farkingismybusiness: /Sorry if I offended. I just grazed the thread and still haven't read the article.


Actually, syl is a resident member of a couple of different Fark Outrage Brigades. Don't feel bad for offending him/her, everyone offends those brigade members unless you're in the same little group. You didn't deserve to be lambasted the way you got. HE/She's got no right telling you how genuine your feelings are.(at least you didn't back down on that point)
These brigades, they get to the point that they're sooo liberal, they're bigoted to anyone who they even guess isn't as liberal as them, or hell, sometimes on whim. There is no such thing as a straight ally in their argument, demonstrated pointedly here.

But, Welcome to Fark!
 
2012-08-10 12:16:43 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.


Based on your list I see quite a few legitimate lawsuits if your list is legitimate. Did you pursue any of them?
 
2012-08-10 12:20:22 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.

Um, it's not his ability to empathize that's broken, it's yours.
You apparently lived in an area where you were not accepted, and apparently fervently Believe this is impossible for a white straight man.

If a white man were to live an area populated by black bigots, it's very plausible he would experience ALL of the things on your list of personal atrocities.

I had a white uncle that was killed by indians years before I was born, because he was white.

Here's a huge list of black on white atrocities that have supposedly been supposedly covered up since the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing.
Link

A choice example:
On Feb. 28, in Kansas City, Mo., two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch as he was returning from school. They poured gasoline on him and set him on fire for no apparent reason, saying "You get what you deserve white boy!"

But yeah, turn it into a competition over who's had what done to them. In fact, try to find that kid if he's still alive, and tell him your hurts are teh worstest because you're gay.

We all expect people to be assholes who will use their position to further their personal agenda, or we SHOULD(sad that some live in denial of the fact that they do exist in large numbers), but to light us on farking fire?
Can you empathize with the trauma from that event if the kid survived?

So you know the story is not total BS
Link


if a straight man lived in an area populated by gays, he would not run the risk of discrimination or physical assault.

really stupid analogy is really really stupid. keep your race baiting nonsense off of fark and back onto townhall where it belongs.
 
2012-08-10 12:21:53 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.

Um, it's not his ability to empathize that's broken, it's yours.
You apparently lived in an area where you were not accepted, and apparently fervently Believe this is impossible for a white straight man.

If a white man were to live an area populated by black bigots, it's very plausible he would experience ALL of the things on your list of personal atrocities.

I had a white uncle that was killed by indians years before I was born, because he was white.

Here's a huge list of black on white atrocities that have supposedly been supposedly covered up since the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing.
Link

A choice example:
On Feb. 28, in Kansas City, Mo., two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch as he was returning from school. They poured gasoline on him and set him on fire for no apparent reason, saying "You get what you deserve white boy!"

But yeah, turn it into a competition over who's had what done to them. In fact, try to find that kid if he's still alive, and tell him your hurts are teh worstest because you're gay.

We all expect people to be assholes who will use their position to further their personal agenda, or we SHOULD(sad that some live in denial of the fact that they do exist in large numbers), but to light us on farking fire?
Can you empathize with the trauma from that event if the kid survived?

So you know the story is not total BS
Link


Oh, right. Because a few random crimes is exactly equivalent to centuries of colonization, slavery, discrimination, and oppression.
All you know about is being born on third base. Your entire life is the legacy of racial privilege.You have no idea what it feels like to experience real, institutionalized racism - and you never will.
 
2012-08-10 12:27:43 AM  

dumbobruni: if a straight man lived in an area populated by gays, he would not run the risk of discrimination or physical assault.

really stupid analogy is really really stupid. keep your race baiting nonsense off of fark and back onto townhall where it belongs.


It's not an anology. It's a fact. ALL varieties of people are open to all atrocious acts and hate crimes. They're ALL bad. Severity of the attack or sleight varies on an individual level, but an attack on X is no more/less "bad" as an attack on Y.

It's not race bait. If you could read you'd see that an individual gay person's plight isn't, by necessity, worse than any other individuals.

You don't belittle someone else's woe's because you've got some of your own, you show sympathy and understanding. Well, rational non-assholes react that way anyhow. You may not, I couldn't say for sure.
 
2012-08-10 12:32:21 AM  

omeganuepsilon: dumbobruni: if a straight man lived in an area populated by gays, he would not run the risk of discrimination or physical assault.

really stupid analogy is really really stupid. keep your race baiting nonsense off of fark and back onto townhall where it belongs.

It's not an anology. It's a fact. ALL varieties of people are open to all atrocious acts and hate crimes. They're ALL bad. Severity of the attack or sleight varies on an individual level, but an attack on X is no more/less "bad" as an attack on Y.

It's not race bait. If you could read you'd see that an individual gay person's plight isn't, by necessity, worse than any other individuals.

You don't belittle someone else's woe's because you've got some of your own, you show sympathy and understanding. Well, rational non-assholes react that way anyhow. You may not, I couldn't say for sure.


please tell me where a straight man has been attacked by gays.

and your analogy is still incredibly stupid, why are you bringing up racial violence in a thread about sexuality?
 
2012-08-10 12:32:30 AM  

jso2897: Oh, right. Because a few random crimes is exactly equivalent to centuries of colonization, slavery, discrimination, and oppression.
All you know about is being born on third base. Your entire life is the legacy of racial privilege.You have no idea what it feels like to experience real, institutionalized racism - and you never will.


Are you saying you think I'm white?
Why?

Also, centuries of colonization and slavery...Who alive today in the US has experienced that?
 
2012-08-10 12:38:28 AM  

dumbobruni: please tell me where a straight man has been attacked by gays.


reason.com
It can happen.

/this conversation is getting a bit heavy for me.
//about to go mock little kids for their use of "gay" as an insult on COD.
///it's fun using logic to embarrass them in front of their friends

//can't we all just get along
 
2012-08-10 12:40:47 AM  
See what I mean about Brigade members farkingismybusiness?

Instant outrage. All I've said is that all violence and agenda pushing is equally wrong, no matter the agenda, and I'm the evil race bating silver spoon guy.
 
2012-08-10 12:46:44 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.

Based on your list I see quite a few legitimate lawsuits if your list is legitimate. Did you pursue any of them?


At the time most of these happened, no such laws existed. Remember that most of these laws are still relatively new. And more than a few states still have none. After these laws were passed, it was still a number of years before law enforcement and courts got a handle on it, and we got used to not being afraid to say anything for fear of reprisal, so there was a sort of honeymoon for vindictive bigots. And it's still possible to fire almost anyone, on a ginned-up pretext, so we still get fired sometimes.

I did intend to pursue the battery incident, but no one was going to back me up on a criminal charge, it was a bit uncertain anyway since the place where it happened was pretty weird and messed-up (lotsa booze and drugs), and I couldn't afford to press a civil charge. So that kind of evaporated, unfortunately. These things are often a lot messier in reality than they seem in print or on TV. I was also still pretty young and naive at the time, activism or no, and didn't fully understand how it all worked. I knew it was wrong, but I didn't know how to get a handle on it.

About the closest I came after that was when an employer wouldn't let me name my girlfriend on employment paperwork, saying that Rhode Island didn't require them to respect that. I later found out that they were wrong, or lying: Though I technically worked for an R.I. firm, my specific workplace was in Massachusetts, and unbeknownst to me, Mass. law *did* make that requirement, for *all* employers in the state, no matter where their employers are based. Because my cheques came from R.I., they argued I was an R.I. worker, but Mass. law actually said it didn't matter, as long as you worked *in* Mass., which I did. I still don't know if they understood that or not, but I didn't at the time. At the same time, her employer also wouldn't allow it. (She worked in Connecticut, which had only basic laws at the time.) So, she couldn't extend her insurance to me, and I couldn't extend my 401(k) or tuition benefits to her. Just more of the same BS that constantly reminds us we're second-class citizens.
 
2012-08-10 12:52:26 AM  

omeganuepsilon: See what I mean about Brigade members farkingismybusiness?

Instant outrage. All I've said is that all violence and agenda pushing is equally wrong, no matter the agenda, and I'm the evil race bating silver spoon guy.


congrats, your defense is a bit from a Seinfeld episode.
 
2012-08-10 12:55:40 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: You CANNOT "empathise" with that.


Stop whining, you lot get far more acceptance and legal support than say ohhh I dunno... a Transexual. They're legitimate and legal targets to beat on; even amongst themselves.

So yeah... Stop. Whining. At least until your assigned psychiatrist, within the first 5mins of the first ever meeting, tells you to cut your own wrists because thy don't give a shiat about "your kind". As said, it ain't legal to wail on YOU, it is however perfectly legal to wail on ME.

/Zero shiats given about your 'plight' from the T section.
 
2012-08-10 03:01:35 AM  
To be fair, there were groups who faced oppression that today are considered white and priveledged. Irish, for example. They were "white n******s" and there are some older Irish in Indy who are butthurt that they are always left out of racial discourse in the modern era.

Today of course we look at such claims as stupid. But it wasn't too long ago that they faced the same threats from hate groups for either being Irish and thus not white, or for being Catholic. An Irish family had a cross burned in their yard in my small town about 1983. Their family included one of my classmates.

But what they have faced during my lifetime is nothing compared to what I've seen heaped on gays. Today someone trying to racially discriminate faces public censure from every mainstream group. Someone gets beaten for being other than straight and you have a half dozen groups either applauding or suggesting it was the victim's fault. Not to diminish the private pain of anyone, but it is a damn shame when outliers and stories from grandparents are used as direct comparisons to contemporary institutionalized hatred and persecution.

We can't keep holding onto pain from one generation to the next. Most Americans have no idea what true persecution is like anymore because they don't live it. I sure as hell don't, and I do my best to make sure that the next generation of Americans have absolutely no frame of reference.

I have had to put up with some of this myself. I publicly defended some gay people in my small town when I moved in, and it was immediately assumed by certain people that I had to be gay too. I'm not, but they don't know how to deal with me on any level because I'm so liberal. I get comments sent my way from time to time and a couple times, threats (a retired Army Ranger paid them a visit on my behalf) but I can just drive to another town to leave that behind me. The epithets don't touch my core because they are just flat-out wrong. I know they would hurt me if they were accurate. And it pisses me off that they feel the need to attack someone like that. I know I'm not wlecome at certain businesses, but then they aren't welcome to my custom since the owners feel that way. I'd boycott them anyway.

Compare that to the story of the wheelchair-bound quadropolegic whose fundie parents have custody of him. Indiana law allows parents to assume full custody of adult, unmarried children. He's gay. After his accident his parents sued to get him out of the house he and his partner had bought together. His parents have spent the years since shuttling him between "Christian" brainwashing camps to make him not-gay.

There is a shared identity forced on the LGBT community by the larger society. Some people claimed that one guy I knew came out as gay because it was "trendy" to be gay. Considering how nearly every friend dropped him and his family disowned him, apparently I have a different definition of trendy than they did. If gay gamers feel the need for their own convention I would posit that it has as much to do with having a relatively safe space with others who understand as it does with getting laid.
 
2012-08-10 05:28:31 AM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: You CANNOT "empathise" with that.

Stop whining, you lot get far more acceptance and legal support than say ohhh I dunno... a Transexual. They're legitimate and legal targets to beat on; even amongst themselves.

So yeah... Stop. Whining. At least until your assigned psychiatrist, within the first 5mins of the first ever meeting, tells you to cut your own wrists because thy don't give a shiat about "your kind". As said, it ain't legal to wail on YOU, it is however perfectly legal to wail on ME.

/Zero shiats given about your 'plight' from the T section.


I don't recall her saying anything against transsexuals, so why are you leaping at her throat about it? Are you one of those "You can't be outraged about one thing unless you get outraged at EVERYTHING!" people?

You sound like the twit I was arguing with in one of the Chick-fil-A threads who kept carrying on about how homosexuals fighting for equal rights are doing it to be trendy and are hypocrits because they're "ignoring" the plight of gay black men with AIDS.
 
2012-08-10 06:02:23 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

One of the reasons Fallout was extra fun for some of us. See also "Confirmed Bachelor" perk
 
2012-08-10 08:09:42 AM  

omeganuepsilon: jso2897: Oh, right. Because a few random crimes is exactly equivalent to centuries of colonization, slavery, discrimination, and oppression.
All you know about is being born on third base. Your entire life is the legacy of racial privilege.You have no idea what it feels like to experience real, institutionalized racism - and you never will.

Are you saying you think I'm white?
Why?

Also, centuries of colonization and slavery...Who alive today in the US has experienced that?


Your mom. By crab lice.
 
2012-08-10 09:01:28 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: farkingismybusiness: I'm saying I can empathize as a straight, white male.

I have been..
- denied housing
- denied employment
- denied insurance
- denied recognition
- denied raises and promotions
- evicted
- fired
- dropped from insurance
- thrown out of places of public accommodation
- banned from or denied entry or use of such places
- stalked
- threatened
- chased
- assaulted and battered
..for being gay

You CANNOT "empathise" with that.

Um, it's not his ability to empathize that's broken, it's yours.
You apparently lived in an area where you were not accepted, and apparently fervently Believe this is impossible for a white straight man.

If a white man were to live an area populated by black bigots, it's very plausible he would experience ALL of the things on your list of personal atrocities.

I had a white uncle that was killed by indians years before I was born, because he was white.

Here's a huge list of black on white atrocities that have supposedly been supposedly covered up since the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing.
Link

A choice example:
On Feb. 28, in Kansas City, Mo., two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch as he was returning from school. They poured gasoline on him and set him on fire for no apparent reason, saying "You get what you deserve white boy!"

But yeah, turn it into a competition over who's had what done to them. In fact, try to find that kid if he's still alive, and tell him your hurts are teh worstest because you're gay.

We all expect people to be assholes who will use their position to further their personal agenda, or we SHOULD(sad that some live in denial of the fact that they do exist in large numbers), but to light us on farking fire?
Can you empathize with the trauma from that event if the kid survived?

So you know the story is not total BS
Link


Yes, but this isn't exactly a common occurrence. I live in Canada -- which is fairly progressive. I've had a good friend hospitalized and nearly killed coming out of a gay bar. A 25 year old was murdered in my neighborhood for being gay. It's far more pervasive. Just look at the news. In the last week we watched as millions of privileged white Americans guzzled back fried carcinogenic chicken to spite the rights of gays.

Being gay also leaves you fairly isolated. Living in a group that is counted at being less than 10% of the population it makes it incredibly difficult to find anyone who you can relate too. When you have no idea if telling someone your gay will mean rejection, it makes it even less likely that you'll connect with other gays.

As a 35 year old white male, I can very much see how I have an advantage in this society over racial minorities. It's pretty bloody evident.

If you REALLY want to feel what it's like to be gay, then tell your parents. Tell your friends that your gay. Pretend your gay for a month. See where that gets you.
 
2012-08-10 09:19:58 AM  

ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?


I usually use some variant of" You're damn right, and more of a man than you'll ever be".
 
2012-08-10 09:25:43 AM  

Galvatron Zero: Yes, but this isn't exactly a common occurrence.


As, so frequency is what makes one violent crime worse? I'm sure the burn kid will realize that. It's not so bad because it's more rare, he'll get right on getting over that.
 
2012-08-10 09:33:21 AM  

ds615: I fail to understand how it matters where you like to put your penis when it comes to video games.
Also, I don't care where you put it, or what turns you on.
Do you want me to walk around telling you those things about me? No? Then shut up already.


If you're married do you wear a wedding ring? Have pictures of your family around? Go on a date in public? Talk about your significant other? Straight people come out as straight everyday by doing those things. When I do the most mundane things with my boyfriend we get strange looks for "shoving it in others' faces". For example, I never knew laundry was so scandalous. Also, we are a minority, so when we enter a new setting (like online games) it is unrealistic to expect that we'll find like minded people with similar experiences. I absolutely love gaming and have all my life. The prospect of being in an atmosphere where I can geek out with people I don't have to be guarded with is amazing. Not getting the angry eye from total strangers would be a welcome respite.
 
2012-08-10 09:40:50 AM  

victrin: ManateeGag: so, what do they say when some teenager called them gay during a game of Halo?

I usually use some variant of" You're damn right, and more of a man than you'll ever be".


When I get the right set-up, which is 99% of the time..
I use some variation of, "It's my dick, I'll do what I please with it, why are you so obsessed with a gay man's dick?"(sub in ass for dick, or whatever, as needed), listen to them stutter a bit then flip their mic off.

Gay, straight, female, male, doesn't really matter, if you can slip something out there, even something practiced(and believe it, they say such things so often it's a practiced act), if it's clever, most either give you props or shut the fark up. Some like an exchange or two before they're satisfied that you're cool and not some weak link, but the result is the same. Rare is the actually determined bigot. (atleast on xbox)
 
2012-08-10 09:44:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: You sound like the twit I was arguing with in one of the Chick-fil-A threads who kept carrying on about how homosexuals fighting for equal rights are doing it to be trendy and are hypocrits because they're "ignoring" the plight of gay black men with AIDS.


No I'm just farking tired of the gays standing there going "poor me", legally they've all the legal defences as a straight person. The little list of 'crimes' that person allegedly had committed against them are just that: crimes. They'll be investigated, that person can take the others to court and most likely win. Nor I hasted to add did the gays get farked over by Press For Change like the Trans people did. A really nice long game scam that one; they get theirs and fark you buddy.
Plod comes along and beats them with a Asp (read: Nightstick for American plod) someone'll be posting it on YouTube and they'll get a nice cheque cut. Not so much for a TS,

Welcome to the GLBT community (hint: there isn't actually one), your flak jacket is over there I suggest you wear it. And yes, its normally a lot more hostile; I'm being polite.
 
2012-08-11 01:05:24 AM  

Vaneshi: Welcome to the GLBT community (hint: there isn't actually one)


[warning, long post, not necessarily all directed at you, so bear with my rambling, I'm in that kind of mood]

I'll give you that trans can have it a bit harder. I think a lot of it is do to the "ick" evolutionary mechanic I talked about above. It doesn't take much to trigger that subconscious response(we also have it for the handicapped and deformed), and at least some trans are a bit...obvious, and of course knowledge of the situation can set off that aversion as well.

And yeah, there is no all inclusive community like people pretend. There are as many varying stances within the GBLT's as there are in any other group. [pre-emptive disclaimer: a lot of csb / anecdotal evidence follows] I see a LOT of negativity originating in the "normal" gay population. The extra catty, the one's that are typically normal people until someone walks by who they percieve might be a bit 'phobic, and then turn the gay up to 11. The competitively flamboyant.

Cool confidence is one thing. Shoving pride in everyone's face isn't quite as tolerable, nor is people claiming that their hurt from X is worse. 9 times out of 10, it's the hurt is delivered with the same intent. "I'm better, so I'm going to do X to this person because the freak me out and I need to prove myself." It's part dominance issue, part fear issue. Certainly not exclusive to straight people.

Oddly enough, the trans I've met(and obviously the one's I don't know about) are just trying to get along. the queens are fairly nice unless you actually take it to them. Sure they dress very loudly, but so do pimps and gangsters and goths and emo's, but are usually sweethearts, like a nice old grandmother or aunt, very mentor like, you wouldn't think someone dressed that loudly could play it so modestly, but they do it very well.

Whether it be race, sexuality, or geekdom, every punch in the back while you go down the hallway hurts just the same.

A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.

Think of it as a job interview. You're applying to get a job with Citizen Corporation, a very professional environment.
Of course you are showered and shaved, but are you figuratively dressed like this:
steynian.files.wordpress.com

Or like this:
img.poptower.com

SLC Punk:
It's not selling out, it's buying in.

And no. It's not "acting straight". It's more of a shift in projected class. Clowns(on the clock), bums, and hipsters and perez hilton almost always have none. Guys in suits with the right attitude, can have it in spades. It projects, "I am to be taken seriously" instead of, "I'm going to annoy the ever loving fark out of you for every milisecond that I'm in your presence"

If you want to convince people that you are worthy of a position, you have to kind of actually be worthy in the end. Act like a child and you'll get treated like one.
 
2012-08-11 04:55:03 AM  

omeganuepsilon: A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.


Isn't this the same argument people use about the black Civil Rights Movement? That those uppity blacks should have just played nice?

Injustice shouldn't be taken lying down. Sometimes it takes civil obedience; sometimes it takes standing up to iniquity.

You seem to think that being nice and polite will win people over; it won't. People are confrontational because they want to show strength, that they're not going to back down, that they don't want to be marginalized and bullied. It's not about getting people to join their ranks--it's about defeating the enemy. These are people standing in the way of tolerance and equality, and there's nothing nice you can do to them to get them to help you.
 
2012-08-11 11:29:28 AM  

austerity101: omeganuepsilon: A note on getting along: No, it's not submissive, it's not playing like you're beat. Sure, be loud, be annoying, be a pain in the ass, sure, it gives some bigots the hell they deserve. But what does it really accomplish? Being an asshole to people generally does not have quite the effect that some claim they are after.
Being polite to grease the wheels, being respectable and knowledgeable and taking an intelligent approach, will tend to lead any given group closer to their goals. When you can act like a respectable adult, not like you think everyone should kowtow to your whims, you're more likely to be heard and listened to. Strength in the face of adversity. There are more ways to get attention than throwing a tantrum.

Isn't this the same argument people use about the black Civil Rights Movement? That those uppity blacks should have just played nice?

Injustice shouldn't be taken lying down. Sometimes it takes civil obedience; sometimes it takes standing up to iniquity.

You seem to think that being nice and polite will win people over; it won't. People are confrontational because they want to show strength, that they're not going to back down, that they don't want to be marginalized and bullied. It's not about getting people to join their ranks--it's about defeating the enemy. These are people standing in the way of tolerance and equality, and there's nothing nice you can do to them to get them to help you.


No, it's not the same thing.

The guy who got listened to:
encrypted-tbn1.google.com
Do I need a desription of who this is?

The one's who didn't:
wagingnonviolence.org

You respectably can buy into society and still contest it's laws and cultural interplay. You also have to do it in the right places and to the right people. Being an asshole to all whites anytime and any place, didn't do any real good, not to mention actual violence / destructiveness.

If the end goal is to live life like everyone else and get along, you have to prove to the public's mind that you can. If you seem like a menace or a perversion, people will fight you tooth and nail.
 
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