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2012-08-09 10:55:55 AM  
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Here's a picture of my sweet man with the baby. Oooh, he's so dangerous. What a killer. Watch out! He should be in dog jail!

In case you can't tell I'm being sarcastic. Suck it, pit haterz.
 
2012-08-09 10:56:11 AM  
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You can't ban me. Dog.
 
2012-08-09 10:56:22 AM  
i332.photobucket.com

This sweet lady was wandering behind my house a couple weeks ago. Totally vicious as you can see. I feared for my life the entire time I was driving her to animal control as she cuddled up next to me and put her head on my leg.

/Came THIS close to keeping her
//She's in a foster home now
 
2012-08-09 10:56:30 AM  

Hobnay: I've been bitten by dogs 4 times. 3 of those times I was bitten by the "dog of peace!"


I've been bitten 3 times and twice was that minpin I mentioned, and once was a papillon why I was delivering papers as a kid.

I'm more afraid of little dogs than big ones, because the big ones have a much higher chance of actually being treated like dogs and not handbag accessories.
 
2012-08-09 10:57:54 AM  

KatjaMouse: bwilson27: Fark pitbulls and fark the creeps who own them.

My friend got a pit bull puppy shortly after having her oldest child. Just last year she posted photos of her 4 year old daughter dressing that poor bastard up in a pink feather boa and pink soccer jersey. He sleeps in her bed and if a stranger comes into the house he always makes sure he's strategically positioned to stand between them and the kid. They just had another baby and apparently he's taken to sleeping under the crib now. Those little instincts about protecting the most vulnerable in the pack I guess. He totally is their "nanny" dog.


Your friend should hope a playdate with a neighbor kid never gets too rough.
 
2012-08-09 10:58:49 AM  

xanadian: ok, good, they had it covered.

Never met a pit bull I didn't like, UNLESS their owners were assholes. Poor f*cking dog. I so wanted to cockpunch those people...


I don't understand the desire to cockpunch. wouldn't it hurt more to punch someone in the balls?
 
2012-08-09 10:58:51 AM  
YAY CURSDAY THREAD!!!1!
 
2012-08-09 10:59:49 AM  
Where's that image of what pit bulls look like to the media?
 
2012-08-09 11:00:17 AM  

cowsspinach: My best friend has a pit bull and it is a huge pansy. My 6lbs yorkie humps him & I don't think he has a mean streak in him. He is one of the sweetest dogs I've ever met.


They all are until they eat a baby.
 
2012-08-09 11:00:22 AM  

pute kisses like a man: xanadian: ok, good, they had it covered.

Never met a pit bull I didn't like, UNLESS their owners were assholes. Poor f*cking dog. I so wanted to cockpunch those people...

I don't understand the desire to cockpunch. wouldn't it hurt more to punch someone in the balls?


If you get the angle of the punch right, you can get the cock AND the balls. Takes practice, though...

...and that sounded dirty.
 
2012-08-09 11:00:28 AM  
A friend of mine in high school was a small time weed dealer. He got a pit puppy he was going to train to be a watchdog. Someone stole it out of his backyard. She wasn't much of a watchdog.
 
2012-08-09 11:01:01 AM  
I had to shoot three pit bulls this morning because they were digging in my front yard, so I'm not too happy to see this article. I treat pit bulls the same way I treat snakes and spiders - kill on site. I've read all the research about how every animal has a place in the ecosystem, but when I go out to get my paper, I don't want to have to fight through a crowd of venomous black snakes and rabid dogs. If they were household pets, as some people claim, then they should be inside the household, not in my yard. So get off of it.
 
2012-08-09 11:01:37 AM  
Let's get one thing out of the way: "Dogs biting" does not equal "dogs killing".

/hates when people use the argument that "more people are bitten by Chihuahuas' than Pit Bulls, so why aren't we banning them?
 
2012-08-09 11:01:41 AM  

spentmiles: I had to shoot three pit bulls this morning because they were digging in my front yard, so I'm not too happy to see this article. I treat pit bulls the same way I treat snakes and spiders - kill on site. I've read all the research about how every animal has a place in the ecosystem, but when I go out to get my paper, I don't want to have to fight through a crowd of venomous black snakes and rabid dogs. If they were household pets, as some people claim, then they should be inside the household, not in my yard. So get off of it.


You're not even trying this morning man. Get your head in the game!
 
2012-08-09 11:02:17 AM  

groppet: xanadian: ok, good, they had it covered.

Never met a pit bull I didn't like, UNLESS their owners were assholes. Poor f*cking dog. I so wanted to cockpunch those people...

Yeah the only ones I knew that were a problem was because the owner was an ass. The good people I know with them the worst problem you can get from them is getting licked to death.


One of my closest friends rescues pit bulls, one of them was used in fights; he is such a sweetie, loves most people (he seems to know the bad people though, my ex included) and he loves his co-doggies that live with him but he is not a fan with other male dogs who he doesn't know. Which is sad, I really want to take my boy out there since they live out in the country with lots of land and horses around.

Same thing with one of my neighbors, they have 3 dogs total, none of us in the neighborhood leash our dogs unless they are brats; their two little yippy dogs run to play with the rest of the dogs in the neighborhood, but their rescued pit has to remain leashed.

/Some people are such assholes it makes me sad; but then you have these two above who have made it better.
//So there's still hope. Most days.
 
2012-08-09 11:03:59 AM  
Pit bulls, rottweilers, and ay combination thereof are for white trash or for other races' version of trash.

That pretty much sums it up.
 
2012-08-09 11:04:00 AM  

Mr Guy: Sybarite: Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011

He actually addresses the flaws in studies like the one you linked to in the article. To the average reporter, there's five kinds of dogs that bite people:

1) Short hair, square head == Pit bull
2) Dark brown or Black, non doberman == Rottweiler
3) Wolf life, long hair == Husky
4) Wolf like, short hair == "wolf mix"
5) "Police type dogs"/"Military type dogs" a) black == doberman b) brown and black == german shepherd c) fluffy == chow



If a dog looks like breed x I'm perfectly comfortable will calling it breed x. I don't really care about the finer points of canine genetics.
 
2012-08-09 11:04:02 AM  

groppet: xanadian: ok, good, they had it covered.

Never met a pit bull I didn't like, UNLESS their owners were assholes. Poor f*cking dog. I so wanted to cockpunch those people...

Yeah the only ones I knew that were a problem was because the owner was an ass. The good people I know with them the worst problem you can get from them is getting licked to death.


My parents have a pit bill. She is convinced she is a lap dog. Which is sweet and all, except she has no grace jumping on you. :)
 
2012-08-09 11:04:36 AM  

Raging Thespian: [i332.photobucket.com image 640x480]

This sweet lady was wandering behind my house a couple weeks ago. Totally vicious as you can see. I feared for my life the entire time I was driving her to animal control as she cuddled up next to me and put her head on my leg.

/Came THIS close to keeping her
//She's in a foster home now


Awwwwww! May you receive good karma back tenfold.
 
2012-08-09 11:04:40 AM  

LandOfChocolate: He has two dogs, one a large male, unneutered cane corso named Shogun. The other, a 7-8 month old female pitty named Kitana.


Shogun and Kitana? I can't even process that level of douchebaggery.

/it's actually "katana"
 
2012-08-09 11:04:41 AM  

xanadian: Boll Virtuoso: I expect this thread to be full of well-reasoned arguments and civil discourse just like any Fark thread relating to Pitbulls, circumcision, gun-control, Tim Tebow, Sarah Palin, police brutality, and anything on the Politics tab.

Romney would strap a pitbull to the top of his Lexus. Make no mistake.


Lexii weren't even invented when Romney did that to his pitbull. It was a station wagon. Besides, Lexii are for liberals, the expression "limousine liberal" has been replaced with "Lexus liberal".
 
2012-08-09 11:05:11 AM  

KatjaMouse: You're not even trying this morning man. Get your head in the game!


He'shiat or miss. Seems mostly miss anymore.
 
2012-08-09 11:05:27 AM  

meat0918:
[farm8.staticflickr.com image 500x299]


weknowmemes.com

its so cute. I want them both!
 
2012-08-09 11:06:36 AM  

Carth: cowsspinach: My best friend has a pit bull and it is a huge pansy. My 6lbs yorkie humps him & I don't think he has a mean streak in him. He is one of the sweetest dogs I've ever met.

They all are until they eat a baby.


2/10

:)
 
2012-08-09 11:06:42 AM  
Other thing about owners is how whiney some of them are: No, I don't know what you're talking about. No, I didn't climb over your fence last night. No, you know that because I'm not dead from the bites. No, that's not the only way that could've happened, one of your 4 (yes sometimes these idiots have 4 pit bulls) monsters bit the other one last night now fark off and control your dogs.
 
2012-08-09 11:07:26 AM  

KatjaMouse: spentmiles: I had to shoot three pit bulls this morning because they were digging in my front yard, so I'm not too happy to see this article. I treat pit bulls the same way I treat snakes and spiders - kill on site. I've read all the research about how every animal has a place in the ecosystem, but when I go out to get my paper, I don't want to have to fight through a crowd of venomous black snakes and rabid dogs. If they were household pets, as some people claim, then they should be inside the household, not in my yard. So get off of it.

You're not even trying this morning man. Get your head in the game!


No doubt. You gotta put just a little bait on the hook. You're just chumming the water. C'mon, finesse 'em a little..
 
2012-08-09 11:08:55 AM  
I work in the city and it's not entirely uncommon to see shiat-headed urban youth walking around with bullies wearing heavy weights, chains, etc. I think it should be legal to run them down on the sidewalk with your car (the people, not the dogs).

/ and if you don't live/work in a city, yea, ghettos are pretty much what you think they are and the people you see hanging out in them pretty clearly match the stereotypes
// kinda like the freakish hicks you see when you make a wrong turn in W.Va and wind up deep in some forested mountain area match their stereotypes pretty damn well
 
2012-08-09 11:09:53 AM  
I thought he got exiled to Alaska?
 
2012-08-09 11:10:00 AM  
In some states now, the law requires pit bull owners to carry $100,000 of liability insurance. That usually takes care of the problem.

Because pit bull owners tend to be notoriously responsible people, you see.
 
2012-08-09 11:10:20 AM  
They're getting ready to ban them in PG county maryland.

In my way of thinking,
if you have to ban a type of trainable animal
that has distinguished itself as a breed standard
in everything from comfort pet, guide dog, search dog
and even won military medals

...you should just nuke that area because it has a serious and unfixable problem
 
2012-08-09 11:10:39 AM  

meat0918: Hobnay: I've been bitten by dogs 4 times. 3 of those times I was bitten by the "dog of peace!"

I've been bitten 3 times and twice was that minpin I mentioned, and once was a papillon why I was delivering papers as a kid.

I'm more afraid of little dogs than big ones, because the big ones have a much higher chance of actually being treated like dogs and not handbag accessories.


I HATE minpins, passionately. Every single one I've ever met was psycho. Nasty little bastards with emotional problems.
 
2012-08-09 11:10:41 AM  

LandOfChocolate: xanadian: Unless the article says anything other than, "because emotionally-stunted asshats wanted a 'big, mean' dog so they had 'rep,' and thus treated their pit bulls like shiat," I couldn't care less what the article says.

Yup. There is a guy in my neighborhood who walks around wearing a beater and sporting a short mohawk and a chinstrap.

He has two dogs, one a large male, unneutered cane corso named Shogun. The other, a 7-8 month old female pitty named Kitana.

My dogs "cousin" is a pit-mix and they get along great but people need to respect what the dog is capable of and what they were originally bred for.

Unless I know the dog, I don't let my dog near pits or other similar breeds.


THIS!
I don't like a dog I know I won't have a fighting chance of taking down if it turns...
A pit to me is like having a Cougar and not a kitty cat and saying it's the same thing.

//son and I were randomly attack and owner was shocked as the pits were such a good dogs.
 
2012-08-09 11:11:12 AM  

Carth: They all are until they eat a baby.


I can't think of anything better to do with a baby.
 
2012-08-09 11:11:25 AM  
What went wrong?
i486.photobucket.com
An American sub-culture with a MASSIVE inferiority complex decided to co-opt Pit-bulls as there own personal symbol of toughness. These morons have absolutely no idea how to train these dogs, and there ya go.
 
kab
2012-08-09 11:11:54 AM  
Because people tend to be morons who will believe media hype on a subject instead of using rational thought.?

That's hopefully what the article states.

Rapmaster2000: [www.deviantart.com image 525x352]

Here's a picture of my sweet man with the baby. Oooh, he's so dangerous. What a killer. Watch out! He should be in dog jail!

In case you can't tell I'm being sarcastic. Suck it, pit haterz.


It's just a matter of time before that killing machine rips that kids face off. Ask FOX, they'll tell you.
 
2012-08-09 11:12:23 AM  
Yeah - what you have to remember about ALL dogs is that they are human mimics. So a pit bull or an Irish Setter would become violent if exposed to a violent life.

My grandfather had a pit bull - the dog was great. He wasn't aggressive, very playful, and yes, very beta.

And I would have to be allergic to dogs damn it.
 
2012-08-09 11:12:34 AM  
BE HUMANE

De-claw and remove your pit bull's teeth. He can still enjoy a happy life and everyone's safe.
Win/win
 
2012-08-09 11:13:01 AM  

Keywork99: I don't have a pitbull - I'm more of a beagle guy, myself - but every time I've interacted with a pitbull they've been nothing but sweet.


They are sweet until they decided to go Rambo on your ass.
 
2012-08-09 11:13:34 AM  

spentmiles: I had to shoot three pit bulls this morning because they were digging in my front yard,


The person walking them must have been pissed!
 
2012-08-09 11:15:19 AM  

xanadian: Pathman: Sybarite: Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011

yeah - you should do a little research of your own into that garbage website, dogsbite.org

I remember reading a site somewhere where they measured the breed's actual temperament, and pits rated somewhere in the middle. The problem with pits is that they're BRED to cause a lot of damage. They have the jaw strength and the teeth for it. So when a pit goes off the deep end, they tend to do more damage than most other breeds.


well - teeth are teeth... the jaw strength is certainly an issue. but it's the same with any larger dog.
the other issue is that "pitbull" makes up several different breeds of animals and are so ingrained into the american "stray" dog problem that it's getting harder and harder to find rescue dogs that aren't at least part pitbull...

the problem with dogsbite is that it's junk science, sensationalism and completely agenda-driven.

when i was a kid it was dobermans. then it was rotts. now it's "pitbull-type dogs"....
a few more people get their face ripped off and it will be labradors

dogsbite is run by one person with an ability to use google, html and an unbelievable desire for revenge for a dogbite that happened to her years ago.
She claims her website is about "public education" but it is clearly a advocacy site breed-specific bans.

No real organization involved in educating the public and promoting the welfare of domestic animals that i know of advocate breed-specific legislation.

just google dogsbite.org and see for yourselves the problems people have with her organization.
 
2012-08-09 11:16:16 AM  

meat0918: Langdon Alger: a dog is only as good as its owner/trainer

Which is why I'll never understand why my sister in law had a really good purebred Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but a demon animal known as a Miniature Pinscher at the same time. The dogs had night and day demeanors. the staffy just wanted love, and the minpin wanted to eat your face if you got near him.

My doggy is a mix of that staffy and I think an Amstaff. He's a lot bigger than his mother, but not as big as an AmStaff or APBT.

Sorry for the crappy res, but this is him playing very gently with a rescue puppy we fostered for a few days.

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 500x299]


Dawwww! Good on you sir.

They're really sweethearts, but you have to get them to sign a peace treaty first.
sharetv.org
 
2012-08-09 11:16:20 AM  
Bad owner = bad dog.
 
2012-08-09 11:16:55 AM  

Valiente: signaljammer: Not all breeds of dog make for good pets. Dalmatians come to mind, they are good dogs in ways, but unless I had 100 acres and horses, I wouldn't try it. They need to run about a third of the day to be healthy, a coupla walks up to the park a day just won't cut it.

I hate seeing Border Collies in cities. A dog like that needs a sheep farm, a guy whose whistle can be heard a mile away, and four pounds of meat a day. I agree about the Dals.

/have been comically "herded" on Irish and English country lanes.
//they aren't canine Einsteins entirely.


I think the number one problem with dog ownership in general is no one considers to match up breed with lifestyle. Or at the very least it's one of the very last considerations behind aesthics (I've always wanted a Weimaraner/Dalmation. They're so pretty!!"), sentimentality/nostalgia ("I must get a bull mastiff and stick him in my studio apartment, because I had one growing up on the farm as a child and he was best.dog.evah"), social status symbol ("Yo homie, I gotsta get me a pitty cuz he would turn heads riding in my custom low ridah"), social proof ("I'm a 'straight' guy, so I can't have a little dog. Everyone will know that I secretly lie awake at night craving cawk").

Heaven forbid anyone take into consideration, "Okay, what was this breed of dog specifically bred/trained to do for the last few hundreds (if not thousands) of years, and how well does that fit into my life"?
 
2012-08-09 11:17:07 AM  

spentmiles: I had to shoot three pit bulls this morning because


There's no need for a "because." Just shoot 'em.
 
2012-08-09 11:17:12 AM  
My neighbors have a pit. Sweet sweet boy, although he seems to think "Tiny, let's go home" means "Tiny, kindly knock me on my ass"
 
2012-08-09 11:17:34 AM  

limboslam: What went wrong?
[i486.photobucket.com image 597x401]
An American sub-culture with a MASSIVE inferiority complex decided to co-opt Pit-bulls as there own personal symbol of toughness. These morons have absolutely no idea how to train these dogs, and there ya go.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-09 11:17:44 AM  
A few months ago I took Goat Puppy to the dog park and there were 3 people and 2 dogs in there already. Some kind of cattle dog mix and a pretty roid filled looking pit-mastiff mix of some kind. Goat Puppy goes in, starts exploring, says hi to the people and the dogs and the cattle dog just went for her neck. Picked her up and tried shaking her around and the mastiff looking guy ran over and bowled that dog against the fence. The couple who owned the mastiff mix were freaking out and managed to pull their dog off and the guy helped me pull Goat Puppy to safety. Cattle dog's owner was just texting on a bench not even paying attention to the whole thing. I was holding onto GP, the woman had her dog leashed and was trying to keep him from ripping up the aggressor and the guy looked like he was going to tear that douche bag a new one. Once the two of them were pretty much forced to leave the park we released our respective hounds and they had a fun time palling around. However GP's been pretty weary of short haired dogs of certain sizes and ear shapes. I went to my sister's new place where her roommate has a cattle dog and immediately GP tried giving him the what for.
 
2012-08-09 11:18:32 AM  

Pathman: xanadian: Pathman: Sybarite: Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011

yeah - you should do a little research of your own into that garbage website, dogsbite.org

I remember reading a site somewhere where they measured the breed's actual temperament, and pits rated somewhere in the middle. The problem with pits is that they're BRED to cause a lot of damage. They have the jaw strength and the teeth for it. So when a pit goes off the deep end, they tend to do more damage than most other breeds.

well - teeth are teeth... the jaw strength is certainly an issue. but it's the same with any larger dog.
the other issue is that "pitbull" makes up several different breeds of animals and are so ingrained into the american "stray" dog problem that it's getting harder and harder to find rescue dogs that aren't at least part pitbull...

the problem with dogsbite is that it's junk science, sensationalism and completely agenda-driven.

when i was a kid it was dobermans. then it was rotts. now it's "pitbull-type dogs"....
a few more people get their face ripped off and it will be labradors

dogsbite is run by one person with an ability to use google, html and an unbelievable desire for revenge for a dogbite that happened to her years ago.
She claims her website is about "public education" but it is clearly a advocacy site breed-specific bans.

No real organization involved in educating the public and promoting the welfare of domestic animals that i know of advocate breed-specific legislation.

just google dogsbite.org and see for yourselves the problems people have with her organization.


Ad hominems aren't the way to defeat the argument. Simply providing truthful information is.

Regardless... if a pitbull snaps, it can kill you much easier than many other medium/large breeds of dog
 
2012-08-09 11:18:37 AM  
I have no doubt Pitbulls can be fine dogs. Here's the thing, though... They're tenacious, and they're very strong. Any dog can snap, but when a Pitbull snaps, it usually winds up being very bad news.

My neighbor was watching his friend's Pitbull, and for no apparent reason, it started getting aggressive. He called the guy right away to come get his dog.

We had a Jack Russell that developed what the vet described as a "neurological disorder" of unknown origin. He was a sweetheart, very well behaved, and very intelligent. We treated him very well, socialized him, and everything was great until he started acting weird... Then one day for no apparent reason when he was 12 years old, he lost his shiat and grabbed my wife's nose (on our wedding anniversary, no less) and shook it like a chew toy. It ripped open her right nostril, and we spent our anniversary in the E.R. getting her nose sewn back together. Two years later, and she still has a scar. I had him euthanized the next day. It about killed me to do it, but I didn't really have a choice. He was unpredictable and dangerous. This was a family dog that was loved, cared for, never abused, well trained, kept in the house, the whole nine yards... And he just snapped. If it would have been a Pitbull, my wife could easliy have been killed instead of just making a trip to the E.R.

Sure, some owners are abusive, but sometimes animals can just be unpredictable on their own. I personally prefer to have a pet that probably won't kill me or someone else if it does become unhinged.
 
2012-08-09 11:19:00 AM  
I was nearly killed by my brother-in-law's pitbull my first day of dog sitting. I was driving down the highway and the dog decided that would be the perfect time to try and climb onto my lap for some attention. If 70lbs of solid slobbery muscle decides that he doesn't want to sit in the backseat anymore good luck getting him to stay put.
 
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