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2012-08-09 12:08:19 PM
 
2012-08-09 12:08:23 PM
Unless the game requires physical skill and exertion (which admittedly may be something that happens in the future) no.
 
2012-08-09 12:12:38 PM

MayoSlather: bemis23: MayoSlather: bemis23: WireFire2: NO.

Anything can be a sport. A sport implies some kind of competition. Like calling video game competitions "E-Sports" or racing "Motor Sports". Totally acceptable.

However, an athlete should imply some physical requirement to perform. Steering a car or clicking a mouse doesn't surpass that threshold. Yes, it takes certain mental capacity to make a quick decision on where to steer your stock car or to send your squad of Space Marines. But that doesn't make you an athlete.

Spoken like someone who has never raced a car. Racing can be extraordinarily physically demanding, coupled with the mental fatigue and stress of the ever-present threat of fiery death....yeah I'm gonna say it's pretty damn physical.

They're drivers, not athletes. There are physical elements to most forms of competition. Even in Jeopardy you need quick thumbs. Doesn't make them athletes.

You should try actually driving a racecar sometime.

My point is not that there isn't any physicality involved in race car driving, I'm sure there is. However this element alone doesn't qualify as an athlete. The car is doing the work not the driver. No matter how much the driver works out he cannot make the car go faster, he can only drive better. He/She is a driver, not an athlete.


So pitting your endurance, training, reflexes, skill, muscle control, knowledge, and skills in competition against others' isn't a sport because it involves a motor? Explain to me the fundamental difference between motor sports and equestrian events (which are considered sports) other than the mechanical nature of the conveyance.
 
2012-08-09 12:13:13 PM

MayoSlather: The car is doing the work not the driver. No matter how much the driver works out he cannot make the car go faster, he can only drive better


1. The whole reason some drivers get hired is because they can make the car go faster than someone else.
2. If the driver doesn't stay in shape, that lack of stamina will show up near the end of the race. Their concentration or strength will fade and they'll react either too slow or wrong, then it's hello wall.
I know some will demean auto racing to their dying day, but it requires athleticism, strength and skill to be a successful at it.
Therefore, race car drivers are athletes.
 
2012-08-09 12:14:11 PM
nope
 
2012-08-09 12:18:04 PM
Mathletes, maybe.
 
2012-08-09 12:20:48 PM
N
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2012-08-09 12:27:55 PM
I had this conversation on deployment a few years back on what constitutes a "sport" and what is just a competition, though video games were not discussed, and pose a difficult inclusion in the paradigm

First, we have our given: Sport is a subset of competition. One can 'play' a sport.'

So we came up with the following definition:
Sport - An athletic competition where an athlete/team's actions directly impact the outcome of the event, and can directly impact the opponent's ability to win the event.
So by this definition, football, basketball, etc. are sports (naturally). Wrestling, martial arts, and fencing are sports by this definition.
Track & field, shooting, gymnastics, weightlifting, equestrian, and anything in a pool (except water polo) are not 'sports,' because I cannot physically prevent an opponent from doing better than me in any of these. They fall into the category of athletic competition instead, since it is by nature a feats of strength sort of thing.

Video games break between these 2 (outside of the obvious physical thing) because in a game I can directly impact an opponent's ability to win.

And on motorsports, I must echo some previous posters: don't disparage racecar drivers' athletic ability. Their reflexes are top notch, and it requires tremendous amounts of strength, dexterity, and endurance to pilot a racecar. Even a NASCAR that's just turning left. But you can make fun of drag racers, since their only talent is keeping the car straight.

CSB time:
I did my first track event last year. My instructor let me get a ride in the passenger seat of his racecar (stripped, caged Porsche 911 GT3 with no power steering, 450hp, and racing slicks). It was the most violent experience of my life. The amount of talent and physical strength my instructor must have had to pilot a car accurately through a turn with 2+ lateral Gs of grip pulling against him had to be immense. I'm a decent sized guy and was getting tossed around like a rag doll in the passenger bucket, even locked down my a 6-point harness.
 
2012-08-09 12:30:32 PM
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2012-08-09 12:46:12 PM
yes.

They exercise the mind just like a runner exercises his legs.


If a jackass can sit in a car for 400 miles making all left turns and be called an athlete, then a gamer can be too.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:59 PM

Strategeryz0r:
Don't knock it, multiplayer tetris can get REALLY heated...


I know. I was totally serious.
 
2012-08-09 12:47:28 PM
Are you shiatting me? I'm awesome at video games. I love 'em. But fark NO.
 
2012-08-09 12:47:39 PM
No, nor should they be considered Pro....
 
2012-08-09 12:49:22 PM

duffman13: I had this conversation on deployment a few years back on what constitutes a "sport" and what is just a competition, though video games were not discussed, and pose a difficult inclusion in the paradigm

First, we have our given: Sport is a subset of competition. One can 'play' a sport.'

So we came up with the following definition:
Sport - An athletic competition where an athlete/team's actions directly impact the outcome of the event, and can directly impact the opponent's ability to win the event.
So by this definition, football, basketball, etc. are sports (naturally). Wrestling, martial arts, and fencing are sports by this definition.
Track & field, shooting, gymnastics, weightlifting, equestrian, and anything in a pool (except water polo) are not 'sports,' because I cannot physically prevent an opponent from doing better than me in any of these. They fall into the category of athletic competition instead, since it is by nature a feats of strength sort of thing.

Video games break between these 2 (outside of the obvious physical thing) because in a game I can directly impact an opponent's ability to win.

And on motorsports, I must echo some previous posters: don't disparage racecar drivers' athletic ability. Their reflexes are top notch, and it requires tremendous amounts of strength, dexterity, and endurance to pilot a racecar. Even a NASCAR that's just turning left. But you can make fun of drag racers, since their only talent is keeping the car straight.

CSB time:
I did my first track event last year. My instructor let me get a ride in the passenger seat of his racecar (stripped, caged Porsche 911 GT3 with no power steering, 450hp, and racing slicks). It was the most violent experience of my life. The amount of talent and physical strength my instructor must have had to pilot a car accurately through a turn with 2+ lateral Gs of grip pulling against him had to be immense. I'm a decent sized guy and was getting tossed around like a rag doll in the ...


Your definition needs some risk of bodily injury or death thrown in.
 
2012-08-09 12:52:55 PM

Kurmudgeon: MayoSlather: The car is doing the work not the driver. No matter how much the driver works out he cannot make the car go faster, he can only drive better

1. The whole reason some drivers get hired is because they can make the car go faster than someone else.
2. If the driver doesn't stay in shape, that lack of stamina will show up near the end of the race. Their concentration or strength will fade and they'll react either too slow or wrong, then it's hello wall.
I know some will demean auto racing to their dying day, but it requires athleticism, strength and skill to be a successful at it.
Therefore, race car drivers are athletes.


Astronauts and fighter pilots do a lot of physical training too. Does that make them athletes?
 
2012-08-09 12:56:13 PM

vegasj: yes.

They exercise the mind just like a runner exercises his legs.


If a jackass can sit in a car for 400 miles making all left turns and be called an athlete, then a gamer can be too.


So an actor is an athlete because he exercises his emotions? Just because someone "exercises" something means he/she is an athlete? Worthless definition.
 
2012-08-09 12:58:47 PM

kab: survey says: no.

MayoSlather: My point is not that there isn't any physicality involved in race car driving, I'm sure there is. However this element alone doesn't qualify as an athlete. The car is doing the work not the driver. No matter how much the driver works out he cannot make the car go faster, he can only drive better. He/She is a driver, not an athlete.

Are horse jockeys athletes? Motocross racers?


No.
 
2012-08-09 01:01:11 PM
No.
 
2012-08-09 01:03:19 PM
Of course not, that's silly.
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Now stay tuned for Poker on ESPN, Fox Sports, NBC Sports Network...
 
2012-08-09 01:07:59 PM
ctrl f "no" 180
ctrl f "yes" 13

I realize most of those yeas are facetious.. but why the hell are there that many yeas
 
2012-08-09 01:09:19 PM
Should gum chewers be considered Dental Assistants?
 
2012-08-09 01:12:25 PM
Baseball, football, soccer, rugby, cricket, basketball, water polo, gymnasts, swimmers, sprinters, skiing, volleyball etc.....athletes.

Anything involving riding a horse, any sport with a motor, or commonly played while drinking a beer...not athletes. Not so hard to intuitively understand even if a universal definition is difficult to put into words.
 
2012-08-09 01:17:55 PM
Athletics, derived from greek, "concerning prizes," so I guess so
 
2012-08-09 01:24:56 PM

MayoSlather: Baseball, football, soccer, rugby, cricket, basketball, water polo, gymnasts, swimmers, sprinters, skiing, volleyball etc.....athletes.

Anything involving riding a horse, any sport with a motor, or commonly played while drinking a beer...not athletes. Not so hard to intuitively understand even if a universal definition is difficult to put into words.


Your retarded contradictions, let me show you them.
 
2012-08-09 01:26:33 PM

incendi: No. Nor should competitive chess players.


Technically, the IOC does consider chess a sport. It's just not an Olympic sport.
 
2012-08-09 01:35:36 PM
Step 1: Ask the one inflammatory question that degrades the act of playing video games at a high level. Something that, while I won't call it a great pursuit, can be impressive nonetheless.
Step 2: You're not helping, CNN.
 
2012-08-09 01:36:17 PM
No, but neither should golfers, bowlers or race-car drivers.
 
2012-08-09 01:36:18 PM
More like professional poker players, chess players and marksmen.
 
2012-08-09 01:38:23 PM

HeartBurnKid: Technically, the IOC does consider chess a sport. It's just not an Olympic sport.


Yes. But they are not athletes. Two different issues, in my mind at least.
 
kab
2012-08-09 01:45:22 PM
ITT: folks who think pro MX racers aren't athletes

This discussion has officially reached a higher derp level than the original CNN question. Good job.
 
2012-08-09 01:47:27 PM
Not every competition is an athletic competition.

Therefore not every competitor is an athlete.

Just because it has the word "game" in it does not change that.
 
2012-08-09 01:51:18 PM

Strategeryz0r: StrangeQ: No. And everytime I would hear someone refer to CAL while playing counterstrike I wanted to punch them in their throat.

/any other questions?

What's the matter bro? Not good enough to make CAL-I? It's ok, I remember bein a scrub too :P


*eye-twitch* *urge to throat-punch rising*
 
2012-08-09 01:54:34 PM

StrangeQ: Strategeryz0r: StrangeQ: No. And everytime I would hear someone refer to CAL while playing counterstrike I wanted to punch them in their throat.

/any other questions?

What's the matter bro? Not good enough to make CAL-I? It's ok, I remember bein a scrub too :P

*eye-twitch* *urge to throat-punch rising*


It's ok man, not all of us are cut out for the I. Maybe you should try OGL :P
 
2012-08-09 02:10:54 PM

loonatic112358: Strategeryz0r: Yeah. There's a reason you don't see fat guys driving Formula 1 cars. The G forces, combined with the need to keep excess weight down, are not conducive to just any person. Between races there's a lot of physical training that goes into it all. It's not as simple as sit behind wheel, drive car, collect paycheck.

and then there's the stuff not in cars, what moike and other crazies do in Formula 1 Sidecars , sure as hell is a sport


I came here to say much the same. As someone who spends a great deal of time behind the throttle fighting lateral G's and braking forces... You can't be out of shape and be at all competitive as a driver. I'm in the gym three days a week, and on my skates at roller derby practice two to three nights a week working on my stamina and endurance.

But hey, haters gonna' hate...
 
2012-08-09 02:12:31 PM

kab: ITT: folks who think pro MX racers aren't athletes

This discussion has officially reached a higher derp level than the original CNN question. Good job.


Aww did someone insult your sport? Oh is an engine doing 90% or more of the work? Yeah not athletes.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:03 PM
Good thing to know baseball isn't a sport.

duffman13: And on motorsports, I must echo some previous posters: don't disparage racecar drivers' athletic ability. Their reflexes are top notch, and it requires tremendous amounts of strength, dexterity, and endurance to pilot a racecar.


Excluding strength you can make the exact same thing applies to top level gaming. Obviously reflexes and dexterity are or critical importance to any gamer and it takes a lot to play at the very top level for extended period of time (such as a weekend tournament involving a dozen or so games, with 4 place at the most recent MLG playing 36 games in three days).

Overall, I would not say they are athletes, but there are other sports I would make the same statement about (shooting being some obvious Olympic events).

People saying that "I sit on my couch with a beer and do the same thing" are just being stupid. That is like saying you could play MLB because you win at your weekend beer league on the weekends.
 
2012-08-09 02:24:07 PM

uber humper: It's like the difference between masturbating to a video of a woman and actually making love to a woman.


Nobody here understands your analogy...
 
2012-08-09 02:33:51 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: uber humper: It's like the difference between masturbating to a video of a woman and actually making love to a woman.

Nobody here understands your analogy...


Actually doing something, or pretending....
 
2012-08-09 02:34:51 PM

TheOriginalEd: ctrl f "no" 180
ctrl f "yes" 13

I realize most of those yeas are facetious.. but why the hell are there that many yeas


No means yes, so its actually 193 yeses
 
2012-08-09 02:39:04 PM
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Maybe...but who has a working one of these?


While skimming through, I saw that someone posted they consider shooting a sport, but shooters aren't athletes. Not entirely sure I agree. Sure, most of my time at the range is hardly athletic, but when you get into the some of the pistol competitions that require running around, you need to be fit. And shooting at long range, where your pulse can throw your shot off by inches, if not feet, yeah...that takes some body control.
 
2012-08-09 03:15:07 PM
When the headline asks a question, the answer is usually No.
 
2012-08-09 03:19:06 PM
The last time I saw some pro gamers my first thought was wow, its kinda humbling being in the presence of so many great athletes
 
2012-08-09 03:22:32 PM

stappawho: The last time I saw some pro gamers my first thought was wow, its kinda humbling being in the presence of so many great athletes


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2012-08-09 03:23:33 PM
Well, they consider major league baseball players and golfers athletes, so I'd have to say, yes.
 
2012-08-09 03:29:01 PM

Goodfella: Well, they consider major league baseball players and golfers athletes, so I'd have to say, yes.


Pro Bowling laughs at the physical exertion required by Major League Baseball and Golfing.
 
2012-08-09 03:53:03 PM
NASCAR drivers are athletes, right?


/drive fast
//turn left
///die in a fireball in milliseconds.
 
2012-08-09 04:04:14 PM
No.
 
2012-08-09 04:04:34 PM

red5ish: We're not athletes, we're baseball players!


fitzandvig.com
 
2012-08-09 04:50:33 PM
No! Same goes for those air rifle/gun competitors in the Olympics. That has to be the geekiest Olympic "sport" ever.
 
2012-08-09 04:57:39 PM

vrax: No! Same goes for those air rifle/gun competitors in the Olympics. That has to be the geekiest Olympic "sport" ever.


Ahem......curling would like to have a word with you.
 
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