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(Pensito Review)   So, it turns out that Romney was ineligible to run for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002 because he was a resident of Utah during the Olympics. He even tried to amend his status 'retroactively.'   (pensitoreview.com) divider line 132
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2012-08-09 08:19:05 AM
the more you dig, the more it stinks. the guy is as slimy as they come.
 
2012-08-09 08:43:57 AM
When are you people going to understand that you just don't say "no" to Mitt Romney?
 
2012-08-09 08:49:57 AM

Diogenes: When are you people going to understand that you just don't say "no" to Mitt Romney?


No worries... we can just do it retroactively
 
2012-08-09 08:53:34 AM
Rules are for little people.
 
2012-08-09 08:56:30 AM
Is this real? Like actually real?
 
2012-08-09 08:57:48 AM

Wendy's Chili: Rules are for little people.


media.washingtonpost.com

Agrees.
 
2012-08-09 09:07:35 AM
Look, it's simple. All the things Mitt Romney did retroactively can be explained by the "Last In, First Out" stack rules as shown in this handy diagram:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-09 09:10:16 AM
You know, I expect a certain amount of chicanery and bluster during these campaigns. But I do insist on a minimum standard of competence.
 
2012-08-09 09:11:48 AM
i.qkme.me
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-08-09 09:25:36 AM
What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?
 
2012-08-09 09:36:52 AM

jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?


What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?
 
2012-08-09 09:38:10 AM
Don't worry. i'm sure talking points will be issued to "counter" this shortly.
 
2012-08-09 09:54:59 AM

Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?


uh, the birth certificate thing was first brought to light by the clinton campaign.
 
2012-08-09 09:57:03 AM

Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?


Um......

Actually, they didn't

Or are u trollin'?
 
2012-08-09 10:10:32 AM

FlashHarry: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

uh, the birth certificate thing was first brought to light by the clinton campaign.


DjangoStonereaver: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

Um......

Actually, they didn't

Or are u trollin'?


I would think my long, alt-free existence here would make it impossible for me to troll, yet here we are :-(
 
2012-08-09 10:50:12 AM
penis to review

"Hey Bob how's the wife? Listen I need you to come in early on Saturday, we have a lot of penis to review"
 
2012-08-09 10:51:54 AM

Jackson Herring: penis to review

"Hey Bob how's the wife? Listen I need you to come in early on Saturday, we have a lot of penis to review"


That's quite enough, Mr. Connery.
 
2012-08-09 10:52:04 AM
So much material, thanks Republicans!

secure.assets.bostatic.com
 
2012-08-09 10:52:11 AM
Sekrit Utahn?
 
2012-08-09 10:52:24 AM
Where RESiDnece Ronmey Where
 
2012-08-09 10:52:45 AM
Sounds like both sides are bad!
 
2012-08-09 10:53:31 AM

NateGrey: So much material, thanks Republicans!


Say what you will about Obama, but his campaign knows how to make aesthetically pleasing, easily understood graphics.
 
2012-08-09 10:56:10 AM
Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.
 
2012-08-09 10:56:55 AM

Diogenes: FlashHarry: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

uh, the birth certificate thing was first brought to light by the clinton campaign.

DjangoStonereaver: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

Um......

Actually, they didn't

Or are u trollin'?

I would think my long, alt-free existence here would make it impossible for me to troll, yet here we are :-(


Unless THIS is your alt account...


DUM DAH DAAAAAAH!
 
2012-08-09 10:57:15 AM
Why Mitt wants, Mitt gets.
 
2012-08-09 10:57:27 AM
Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.
 
2012-08-09 10:57:49 AM
So when can the rest of us start changing inconvenient things retroactively? It seems like Romney just does whatever the fark he wants and if it turns out later that he wants something he just rewrites history.
 
2012-08-09 10:58:14 AM
The GOP: tough on voter fraud, really really soft on tax cheats.
 
2012-08-09 10:58:43 AM
Yep - this was even a huge issue during his bid for election in Mass.

But what do you expect from a guy who dumped millions of state funds bribing the IOC to please very much have the Olympics in Salt Lake please.

This also includes how his nephew just by virtue of total coincidence got his firm an account working for the 2002 SLOC.

"How Davies secured the Salt Lake Olympic contract for his firm, however, appears to have been far less formal than the process used by the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC) to award work to its vendors, ABC News has found. Davies said in an interview the deal had nothing to do with the fact that he is the nephew of the man who was running the games at the time, and who is now the Republican nominee for president."

Of course, this is all just what we can glean from what is available, since Romney had the majority of his olympic archives destroyed afterwards. You know, because business savvy or someshiat.
 
2012-08-09 10:58:57 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Diogenes: FlashHarry: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

uh, the birth certificate thing was first brought to light by the clinton campaign.

DjangoStonereaver: Diogenes: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

What does it say about the Clintons' that they missed Obama's birth certificate thing?

Um......

Actually, they didn't

Or are u trollin'?

I would think my long, alt-free existence here would make it impossible for me to troll, yet here we are :-(

Unless THIS is your alt account...


DUM DAH DAAAAAAH!


I'm traveling.
 
2012-08-09 10:59:00 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


Yes, that is obviously what most people will take away from this story.
 
2012-08-09 11:00:44 AM
Yeah, I didn't think Romney actually lived in Mass at the time. So, he never should have been allowed to run for governor.
 
2012-08-09 11:00:59 AM
Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.
 
2012-08-09 11:01:26 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: NateGrey: So much material, thanks Republicans!

Say what you will about Obama, but his campaign knows how to make aesthetically pleasing, easily understood graphics.


Nice use of whitespace and great selection of fonts, but everyone knows that $250K tax break for the rich guy will create enough jobs for 1000s of average families with kids

/ what republicans actually believe
 
2012-08-09 11:01:31 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


Thanks for reminding us that Mitt Romney spent more government money on the SLC Olympics than all other US Olympic games...combined.
 
2012-08-09 11:01:57 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


...by begging for a taxpayer funded bailout.
 
2012-08-09 11:02:01 AM
I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.
 
2012-08-09 11:02:06 AM
What do you expect? Next you tell me that despite the listing, the unfinished basement of one of Romney's kids is not the primary residence of Mitt and Ann Romney.
 
2012-08-09 11:02:54 AM

karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.


Nonsense!! A Romney never gives up that which can be sold.
 
2012-08-09 11:03:22 AM
This guy is becoming less funny and more scary. Ask yourself what limits Mitt has set on lying, misleading, altering history and other fascist type things. What will be his limits as president?
 
2012-08-09 11:03:38 AM

jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?


You're making the assumption that any of those people were actually running?

It was obvious from the start that Gingrich was just doing it for the media attention so he could increase his "brand recognition".
Bachmann was just off the rails insane and couldn't run an effective campaign if she tried.
Perry was simply running because he's never had to do anything before running texas and thought that meant the presidency would be easy.
999 was running for the same reasons as Gingrich.
Ron Paul thinks that if he just shouts at clouds (ie: the FED) all day people will listen to him because fiat currency is "hard to understand" but gold is "simple!".
Nobody even paid attention to Huntsman.

I guess that leaves Santorum but he's such a religious whacko that he probably thought God would drop a pile of opposition research onto his lap.


Face it. Romney, one of the most incompetent candidates of all time, was still better than almost every other republican candidate on the field.

THAT is farking sad.
 
2012-08-09 11:03:43 AM

karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.


They also let carpetbagger Alan Keyes run.
 
2012-08-09 11:04:58 AM
oh the sweet sweet irony of it all!


/not real irony, but the Allysa Milano version of irony
 
2012-08-09 11:05:01 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


We'll keep him on our contact list the next time we need someone to set up a snowboarding competition, at a deficit.
 
2012-08-09 11:05:12 AM

rudemix: Ask yourself what limits Mitt has set on lying, misleading, altering history and other fascist type things. What will be his limits as president?


He's only limited by his faith, which was concocted by a con man to shake off a few suspicious hayseeds in Utah.
 
2012-08-09 11:05:33 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.




""Without question, we simply could not host Games in Salt Lake if it were not for the enormous spending and services of the federal government," Romney had said in a 2001 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee during a hearing around cooperation between federal, state, local and private agencies for the Salt Lake City Olympics."
 
2012-08-09 11:05:44 AM

EyeballKid: karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Nonsense!! A Romney never gives up that which can be sold.


Sold it for lower taxes!
 
2012-08-09 11:05:55 AM
I like this Mitt Romney retroactive deal. I like it a lot. It feels so nice to be able to say I've never been fired from a job. I retroactively quit.

If Mitt Romney becomes president, expect to see me use this excuse in court.

"I'm not paying this parking fine. I retroactively moved my car before I got the ticket."

Once you see it, the possibilities are endless.
 
2012-08-09 11:05:55 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit (thanks to $1.5 billion in federal funding after everyone else failed at the task.


Link

In his 2004 book, Turnaround, Romney acknowledges the central role of the federal government in making the Olympics possible. "No matter how well we did cutting costs and raising revenue, we couldn't have Games without the support of the federal government," he wrote.


Seriously - you farking suck at this.
 
2012-08-09 11:06:11 AM

MithrandirBooga: soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.



""Without question, we simply could not host Games in Salt Lake if it were not for the enormous spending and services of the federal government," Romney had said in a 2001 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee during a hearing around cooperation between federal, state, local and private agencies for the Salt Lake City Olympics."


Doesn't count he wasn't running for president then.
 
2012-08-09 11:06:15 AM
This means Scott Brown is automatically President, and Mitt Romney has to perform a synchronized swim routine with Barack Obama to the tune of "One" from A Chorus Line.
 
2012-08-09 11:06:49 AM

busy chillin': oh the sweet sweet irony of it all!


/not real irony, but the Allysa Milano version of irony


I think you meant Alanis Milano
 
2012-08-09 11:07:00 AM

karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.


That's the last straw - I'm not voting for Rahm Emanuel.
 
2012-08-09 11:07:23 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


Let's compromise.
We'll agree that Mitt Romney would be the best person in the world to run the Olympics in ten to fiftenn years when they rotate back to the states.
You agree that that's not the job he's currently applying for and that he's such a lying sack of shiat that he even the members of his own party ask him for citations.
 
2012-08-09 11:07:49 AM

Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.


The residency address on your federal returns is one of the strongest objective indicia I can think of. Also as a second one where you claim a homestead exemption (does Mass have one?)
 
2012-08-09 11:08:22 AM

SilentStrider: Don't worry. i'm sure talking points will be issued to "counter" this shortly.


Gov. Romney had to retain his Massachusetts residence in order to maintain operational control over Bain Capital from 1999-2002.

We can prove Mitt Romney was in Massachusetts in 2001 for a doctor's appointment, thanks to the gloriously efficient digital medical records mandate Gov. Romney enacted into law.

Gov. Romney can show that in 2000 he attended a fundraiser in Massachusetts for the resident-only organization, Ban Assault Rifles Now.
 
2012-08-09 11:08:22 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


Teabaggers taught me that the Olympics are bad, and we should cheer when an American city loses a bid to host them.

Mitt was just being socialist.
 
2012-08-09 11:08:24 AM
where is his tax returns?
 
2012-08-09 11:08:25 AM

MithrandirBooga: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

You're making the assumption that any of those people were actually running?

It was obvious from the start that Gingrich was just doing it for the media attention so he could increase his "brand recognition".
Bachmann was just off the rails insane and couldn't run an effective campaign if she tried.
Perry was simply running because he's never had to do anything before running texas and thought that meant the presidency would be easy.
999 was running for the same reasons as Gingrich.
Ron Paul thinks that if he just shouts at clouds (ie: the FED) all day people will listen to him because fiat currency is "hard to understand" but gold is "simple!".
Nobody even paid attention to Huntsman.

I guess that leaves Santorum but he's such a religious whacko that he probably thought God would drop a pile of opposition research onto his lap.


Face it. Romney, one of the most incompetent candidates of all time, was still better than almost every other republican candidate on the field.

THAT is farking sad.


So you're saying Romney essentially won the GOP primaries by default?
 
2012-08-09 11:09:31 AM

magusdevil: busy chillin': oh the sweet sweet irony of it all!


/not real irony, but the Allysa Milano version of irony

I think you meant Alanis Milano


No, he means the cookies.
 
2012-08-09 11:10:40 AM
Diogenes


karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.

They also let carpetbagger Alan Keyes run.



When did Keyes run for mayor of Chicago?
 
2012-08-09 11:10:49 AM

Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.


There's a couple of layers of problems with the Massachusetts residency issues.

The first is that he claimed Utah as his primary residency for several years to benefit from a 45% reduction in property taxes on his Massachusetts tax returns. Massachusetts state law requires governors to have been a resident for the last seven years. The Democrats directly challenged him on this.

The second is that the way he got around the two years in Utah was by retroactively adjusting his returns and paying Massachusetts (and I would assume getting money back from Utah) to shift his residency years after the fact.

The third is that a major part of his claim towards remaining a Massachusetts resident for those three years - despite living full time in Utah - was that he retained a relationship with Bain. That ties back into issues with him declaring that "since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way." His business ties had a large play in the election commission ruling in Romney's favor.
 
2012-08-09 11:10:53 AM

karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.


I demand he release his passport.
 
2012-08-09 11:11:22 AM
soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.

1.3 billion dollars of federal money, you twat
 
2012-08-09 11:11:40 AM
This has got to be illegal, right?
 
2012-08-09 11:12:10 AM
Romney showed the Election Board that he was still very active in Massachusetts attending board meetings and running his business, which he then retroactively retired from to when he moved to Utah for the Olympics, but while still maintaining an active business in Massachusetts that he didn't have anything to do with, except for being the CEO and President, but retroactively because he wasn't there, but he was.

It is like a mobius strip of douche.
 
2012-08-09 11:12:13 AM

Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.


So Rmoney lied about this for no reason then? Just compulsively?
 
2012-08-09 11:14:33 AM

FlashHarry: the more you dig, the more it stinks. the guy is as slimy as they come.


I'm not even all that bothered by the actual residency requirement thing from back then, but calling for your opponent to release her husband's returns in addition to her own when you won't even release yours? But I suppose par for the course since he tried to justify not releasing his own returns now because Kerry didn't release his wife's returns in 2004. This guy really is delusional. I really don't see this tax return thing going away.
 
2012-08-09 11:15:29 AM

Jackson Herring: penis to review

"Hey Bob how's the wife? Listen I need you to come in early on Saturday, we have a lot of penis to review"


Hey Jim, I gotta be honest. I wasn't paying so much attention when I applied for this job. I thought this was the Penis/Toe Review, America's premier foot job journal. I can spend my weekend looking at penis so long as their are feet, but this? This is just nearly endless penis.
 
2012-08-09 11:15:50 AM

King Something: So you're saying Romney essentially won the GOP primaries by default?


The GOP has a long tradition of nominating the person seen as being the next in line. McCain's campaign was broke, understaffed, and its candidate was partially-fossilized, and they pulled out a win. When Huckabee chose not to run, Romney had it in the bag.
 
2012-08-09 11:17:05 AM

King Something: MithrandirBooga: jbc: What does it say about Gingrich's and Santorum's research teams that they missed all of these issues?

You're making the assumption that any of those people were actually running?

It was obvious from the start that Gingrich was just doing it for the media attention so he could increase his "brand recognition".
Bachmann was just off the rails insane and couldn't run an effective campaign if she tried.
Perry was simply running because he's never had to do anything before running texas and thought that meant the presidency would be easy.
999 was running for the same reasons as Gingrich.
Ron Paul thinks that if he just shouts at clouds (ie: the FED) all day people will listen to him because fiat currency is "hard to understand" but gold is "simple!".
Nobody even paid attention to Huntsman.

I guess that leaves Santorum but he's such a religious whacko that he probably thought God would drop a pile of opposition research onto his lap.


Face it. Romney, one of the most incompetent candidates of all time, was still better than almost every other republican candidate on the field.

THAT is farking sad.

So you're saying Romney essentially won the GOP primaries by default?



Pretty much. Even though the loudest of the Republicans hated them, the party knows that they cannot win unless they have some way of convincing independents to vote for them. Independents in this country lean left. Well, far lefter than the Republican party at least. The one and only way they can possibly win is to actually select someone that isn't as batshiat insane as the base.

Since the party already kicked out everyone else who was somewhat reasonable, they're left with scum like Romney.
 
2012-08-09 11:18:20 AM

karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.


No. He has dual citizenship in the US and Utah. He can't find the tax returns because he sent them to himself via Western Union in 1849. Don't blame him if Western Union didn't exist back then. He blames his accountant McFly.
 
2012-08-09 11:18:26 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


This statement from the same people who literally cheered when we lost this year's olympics, the irony of which is lost on them.
 
2012-08-09 11:20:27 AM

Bill Murray said I was weird: soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.

This statement from the same people who literally cheered when we lost this year's olympics, the irony of which is lost on them.


I cheered a little, because I live here and already have anger issues.
 
2012-08-09 11:20:34 AM

dittybopper: Wendy's Chili: Rules are for little people.

[media.washingtonpost.com image 225x275]

Agrees.


Hey, look, a democrat did something completely not even connected to this, but it seems slimy...so let's bring it up!
 
2012-08-09 11:23:12 AM

GAT_00: Is this real? Like actually real?


Yup. There was a huge stink about this at the time.
 
2012-08-09 11:24:29 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


By getting $342,000,000 from DC (no, really - W included it as a line-item in the 2002 budget) and another $1.1 BILLION in "indirect" DC cash.
 
2012-08-09 11:24:33 AM

qorkfiend: This has got to be illegal, right?


Only for poor or the middle class. Rich people get to make up rules
 
2012-08-09 11:24:43 AM

Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.


Wow. So you guys are actually going to try and defend this? Wow. You guys... man...

You guys are insane.
 
2012-08-09 11:24:44 AM

karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.


THAT's how you see what happened? Remarkable.
 
2012-08-09 11:25:05 AM

karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.


"The state Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Emanuel's favor, saying an appeals court decision that said the candidate needed to be physically present in Chicago was "without any foundation in Illinois law.""

"Rahm's tax return makes clear that he always remained a Chicago resident and continued to pay income taxes in Chicago in 2010, in addition to property taxes, maintaining car and voter registration in Chicago and being clear that he intended to return to Chicago once his service to President (Barack) Obama was complete," said a statement released by campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt.
- Chicago Tribune.

Awww you seem really concerned the Illinois State Supreme Court used logic and common sense to allow someone to run for office.
 
2012-08-09 11:25:58 AM
Remove ALL senators, congressmen and political leaders that don't live in the area they represent.
 
2012-08-09 11:26:21 AM
The courts decided that Romney met the minimum legal requirements to be governor.
 
2012-08-09 11:26:41 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.

I demand he release his passport.


It'll be an obvious forgery.
 
2012-08-09 11:28:24 AM

karnal: Diogenes


karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.

They also let carpetbagger Alan Keyes run.


When did Keyes run for mayor of Chicago?


Keyes ran for senate against Obama, phoning in most of his campaign and consistently looking like the idiot that he is.

/didn't care about the whole Rahm residency thing and doesn't care about the Mitt one either. They are both scumbags for different reasons.
//voted for del Valle
 
2012-08-09 11:30:17 AM

Lord_Baull: Remove ALL senators, congressmen and political leaders that don't live in the area they represent.


Cops, too.
 
2012-08-09 11:30:19 AM

karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.


Heh. I was thinking that it would come to light he had lived in France or something. Maybe we should start this as a rumor.
 
2012-08-09 11:30:23 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: This means Scott Brown is automatically President, and Mitt Romney has to perform a synchronized swim routine with Barack Obama to the tune of "One" from A Chorus Line.


Too soon, man. Too soon
 
2012-08-09 11:31:33 AM

Sgt Otter: soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.

...by begging for a taxpayer funded bailout.


Said deficit was covered by a $382 million dollar bailout in direct federal funding, most of which was already in place before Mitt even took over.
 
2012-08-09 11:31:49 AM

sprawl15: Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.

There's a couple of layers of problems with the Massachusetts residency issues.

The first is that he claimed Utah as his primary residency for several years to benefit from a 45% reduction in property taxes on his Massachusetts tax returns. Massachusetts state law requires governors to have been a resident for the last seven years. The Democrats directly challenged him on this.

The second is that the way he got around the two years in Utah was by retroactively adjusting his returns and paying Massachusetts (and I would assume getting money back from Utah) to shift his residency years after the fact.

The third is that a major part of his claim towards remaining a Massachusetts resident for those three years - despite living full time in Utah - was that he retained a relationship with Bain. That ties back into issues with him declaring that "since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way." His business ties had a large play in the election commission ruling in Romney's favor.


I used to merely believe Romney to be politically incompetent, and likely a douche in person. But as the weeks go by, I'm actively beginning to dislike the man. The more I try to track down info about issues such as what you've posted, the more intricate this guy's web of bullsh*t becomes. And it's hardly of the baseless variety that teabillies went after Obama for. There is something genuinely wrong with this picture. I don't dislike Romney because he's a Mormon and therefore not a Real American; nothing about his recent past makes any sense and these are issues voters deserve answers to.

Yes, I am struck by the similarity of my own words to the "I'm just askin' questions here" crowd. At the same time there is a seeming preponderance of convenient outcomes that lend some credence to suspicions of how Romney truly conducts himself. Of course, I'm not going to show up to any 'grass roots' events in the near future with a sign posing suspicion as a fact. But how does any reasonable person look at the whole mess and not have serious questions about this man?
 
2012-08-09 11:32:02 AM
And everyone thought I was kidding when I said he may well not last until the convention. From the day he clinched the nom, Romney has been on his heels. The one half second of breath he got from "you didn't build that" was immediately avalanched by his foreign failures, and now this tax debacle. He has already allowed himself to be defined by his opponent, significantly undercutting any relaunching of the brand in Tampa. God help him if any of this tax stuff is true - he really has no choice now but to not release anything and absorb the punishment. He can't change the subject unless/until he does, but apparently it's a better deal than what the subject will be changed to if the records come out. Reid has utterly finessed the situation, and Romney has been shown to be a rank amateur. Game over man, game over.
 
2012-08-09 11:32:43 AM
Romney should just release his tax returns. If it doesn't play out well for him, he can always retroactively not release them.

/Will we be able to retroactively not go to war with Iran with Rmoney wins?
 
2012-08-09 11:32:50 AM
whitman00

karnal: Rahm Emanuel was not a legal resident of Chicago when he ran for mayor - but the Obama Board of Election Commissioners said he was an "honorary" resident.

"The state Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Emanuel's favor, saying an appeals court decision that said the candidate needed to be physically present in Chicago was "without any foundation in Illinois law.""

"Rahm's tax return makes clear that he always remained a Chicago resident and continued to pay income taxes in Chicago in 2010, in addition to property taxes, maintaining car and voter registration in Chicago and being clear that he intended to return to Chicago once his service to President (Barack) Obama was complete," said a statement released by campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt.
- Chicago Tribune.

Awww you seem really concerned the Illinois State Supreme Court used logic and common sense to allow someone to run for office.



On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!
 
2012-08-09 11:35:32 AM

cfreak: karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Heh. I was thinking that it would come to light he had lived in France or something. Maybe we should start this as a rumor.


It's a question that needs to be asked.
 
2012-08-09 11:36:10 AM

GAT_00: Is this real? Like actually real?


Yep, it's real. Somehow he was able to con the state election board to let him run anyway.

There's also indications that he's voted illegally in the state by saying he was living in the unfinished basement of one of his sons.
 
2012-08-09 11:36:42 AM

karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!


OK, we admit it already!!!! There is absolutely no difference between Mitt Romney and dishonest Chicago mayor / Obama stooge Rahm Emanuel. Are you happy now?
 
2012-08-09 11:36:47 AM

magusdevil: I think you meant Alanis Milano


It was sad when the Nazis crashed her plane because she was blind.
 
2012-08-09 11:37:10 AM

karnal: whitman00

......

On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!


You mean like Mitts retroactively "amended" return in Mass.?
 
2012-08-09 11:37:30 AM

soy_bomb: Thanks for reminding us that Romney successfully ran the Olympics and saved it from a $400 million deficit after everyone else failed at the task.


I was unaware that a man who works for a soup kitchen after committing a felony was then automatically exonerated or excused from further punishment.

soy_bomb, recipient of the prestigious DeVry Night School Law Degree.
 
2012-08-09 11:37:52 AM

ChimpMitten: Romney showed the Election Board that he was still very active in Massachusetts attending board meetings and running his business, which he then retroactively retired from to when he moved to Utah for the Olympics, but while still maintaining an active business in Massachusetts that he didn't have anything to do with, except for being the CEO and President, but retroactively because he wasn't there, but he was.

It is like a mobius strip of douche.


www.nndb.com

Christ! I know I'm a douche, but don't associate me with that asshole!
 
2012-08-09 11:38:54 AM

enry: GAT_00: Is this real? Like actually real?

Yep, it's real. Somehow he was able to con the state election board to let him run anyway.

There's also indications that he's voted illegally in the state by saying he was living in the unfinished basement of one of his sons.


Tagg's basement, no less.
 
2012-08-09 11:39:00 AM

enry: GAT_00: Is this real? Like actually real?

Yep, it's real. Somehow he was able to con the state election board to let him run anyway.

There's also indications that he's voted illegally in the state by saying he was living in the unfinished basement of one of his sons.


And even after all that came out the majority of people in MA still voted for him???
 
2012-08-09 11:39:28 AM

karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!


Wow, a Fark Con makes a good point. Could use a link or two. But congrats!

Now when Rahm runs for President, Fark Cons can make fun of him too.
 
2012-08-09 11:40:37 AM

karl2025: cfreak: karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Heh. I was thinking that it would come to light he had lived in France or something. Maybe we should start this as a rumor.

It's a question that needs to be asked.


I heard from reliable sources that he won't release tax returns because he clamed a bastard half french child as a dependent. We won't know unless he shows them to us.
 
2012-08-09 11:41:57 AM
Karac

karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!

OK, we admit it already!!!! There is absolutely no difference between Mitt Romney and dishonest Chicago mayor / Obama stooge Rahm Emanuel. Are you happy now?



Yes, as happy as a reluctant conservative in a comically liberal world can be.
 
2012-08-09 11:42:25 AM

Lost Thought 00: The courts decided that Romney met the minimum legal requirements to be governor.


In fact, if he met any more than the legal minimum requirements, he wouldn't be qualified to be governor.
 
2012-08-09 11:45:47 AM

Karac: karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!

OK, we admit it already!!!! There is absolutely no difference between Mitt Romney and dishonest Chicago mayor / Obama stooge Rahm Emanuel. Are you happy now?


Never an affirmative defense from some people - "we're just as sh*tty as you" isn't particularly suasive argument, but I guess if it's all you've got....
 
2012-08-09 11:46:32 AM

karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!


For the sake of argument let's assume the veracity of your post. OK.

WTF does it have to do with anything? Rather than address the topic at hand, you want to deflect by claiming the same alleged wrong-doing by another individual politician? Emanuel isn't running for president of the United States of America. That's who we're discussing here, and if Rahm likes to fark goats in between sacrificing white babies to Lord Kimbo, who farking cares in the context of this discussion?

There is a time and place for "NO U!" This isn't it.
 
2012-08-09 11:48:58 AM

Lost Thought 00: The courts decided that Romney met the minimum legal requirements to be governor.


And, of course, that's what this tempest in a teapot is really about. I mean, why would liberals bring this issue up at all? It's settled. Mitt won. There's nothing more to be said.

This is just like the current kerfuffle over Mitt's taxes: There's no legal reason to compel him to disclose them, so he's not breaking any laws. So there is absolutely nothing at all to be concerned about. If a politician isn't actively breaking laws, there is nothing at all we can criticize him on. C'mon, this is pretty basic libs.

And, of course, there is no link between his behavior in MA and the current tax return issue. I don't even know why I brought it up. But the link isn't there, so I wouldn't even look for it, libs.
 
2012-08-09 11:52:34 AM
Romney may not be a US citizen.
 
2012-08-09 11:54:20 AM

Paul Baumer: Karac: karnal: On his original Illinois return, in response to the question, "Were you, or your spouse ... a full-year resident of Illinois during the tax year?'' Emanuel checked "No.'' He said he lived in the state only until June 30, 2009.....later, when it started to be an issue, they turned in an amended return, saying the original return was incorrect. How convenient!

OK, we admit it already!!!! There is absolutely no difference between Mitt Romney and dishonest Chicago mayor / Obama stooge Rahm Emanuel. Are you happy now?

Never an affirmative defense from some people - "we're just as sh*tty as you" isn't particularly suasive argument, but I guess if it's all you've got....


... especially when the comparison is between an actual candidate and a former employee of the other candidate, who was brought in to be a sleazy, ball-busting prick.
 
2012-08-09 11:55:28 AM
This is just a minor issue to me.

What's much more interesting is the fact that Obama is leading Romney by about 20% in Massachusetts, meaning the people who actually experienced Romney's leadership as governor want nothing to do with the guy. In comparison, Gore lost in Tenn in 2000 by about 4% and was never the governor. To know Romney is to loath him.
 
2012-08-09 11:56:15 AM
Republicans like to imagine that Obama can travel time whenever it's convenient.

It stands to reason that they think they can travel time too.

I mean, come on. Fair and balanced.
 
2012-08-09 12:00:26 PM
2002: Refuses to release taxes. Lies about contents. Contents are damning for campaign, even if nothing comes of it.

2012: Refuses to release taxes. Lies about contents...? Who can say for sure, other than the guy you shouldn't trust at this point.
 
2012-08-09 12:01:37 PM

FlashHarry: the more you dig, the more it stinks. the guy is as slimy as they come.


He's at least giving Spiro T. Agnew a run for the money... so to speak.
 
2012-08-09 12:03:56 PM

Paul Baumer: And everyone thought I was kidding when I said he may well not last until the convention. From the day he clinched the nom, Romney has been on his heels. The one half second of breath he got from "you didn't build that" was immediately avalanched by his foreign failures, and now this tax debacle. He has already allowed himself to be defined by his opponent, significantly undercutting any relaunching of the brand in Tampa. God help him if any of this tax stuff is true - he really has no choice now but to not release anything and absorb the punishment. He can't change the subject unless/until he does, but apparently it's a better deal than what the subject will be changed to if the records come out. Reid has utterly finessed the situation, and Romney has been shown to be a rank amateur. Game over man, game over.


i.qkme.me
Private Hudson agrees.
 
2012-08-09 12:04:40 PM
Romney was ineligible to run for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002 because he was a resident of Utah

Luckily he's rich, so the laws don't apply.
 
2012-08-09 12:06:55 PM

Kibbler: Republicans like to imagine that Obama can travel time whenever it's convenient.

It stands to reason that they think they can travel time too.

I mean, come on. Fair and balanced.


llamabutchers.mu.nu

Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Gov. Mitt Romney stepped into the Quantum Leap accelerator and vanished .... He woke to find himself trapped in the past, facing his own lies and misdeeds, and driven by the leftist media to change history for the better. His only guide on this journey is a team of morons, gaffe machines from his own party, who appear in the form of a retarded joke that everyone can see and hear. And so Gov. Romney finds himself leaping from mistake to mistake, striving to whitewash what once went wrong and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap that makes people like him.
 
2012-08-09 12:12:44 PM

sdd2000: Cataholic: Your address listed on your tax returns and the tax law regarding the deductibility of your primary residence have nothing to do with your legal residency for purposes of state law.

The residency address on your federal returns is one of the strongest objective indicia I can think of. Also as a second one where you claim a homestead exemption (does Mass have one?)


It's only an indication of domicile. The IRS doesn't care what address you use for the box on the return. Its sole purpose is to tell them where to send you notices for the next year. If you take a temporary job, leave your home state to work for a year or two, but intend to return (and maintain an abode in your home state), you are still deemed a legal resident of your home state for legal purposes (voting, homestead, etc.). You wouldn't use your "home" address on the 1040 because you do not plan on getting mail there while you are at your temporary location.

States use the term "residency" for income tax purposes (in filing state tax returns) but really mean domicile. In many places you are subject to a state's income tax (as a "resident") solely based on how many days you are staying there, and not whether you are a permanent resident.
 
2012-08-09 12:19:17 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Romney may not be a US citizen.


I heard he gave up his U.S. citizenship when he defected to France during the Vietnam War. Sure, he says he got a missionary deferment, but I guess I'm just supposed to take him at his word.
 
2012-08-09 12:27:28 PM

thatguyoverthere70: I like this Mitt Romney retroactive deal. I like it a lot. It feels so nice to be able to say I've never been fired from a job. I retroactively quit.

If Mitt Romney becomes president, expect to see me use this excuse in court.

"I'm not paying this parking fine. I retroactively moved my car before I got the ticket."

Once you see it, the possibilities are endless.


I'm not speeding officer - I'm retroactively leaving the house on time.

I'm not the father - I retroactively pulled out.
 
2012-08-09 12:31:42 PM
YOU DEMOCRATS ARE JUST AFRAID OF A STRONG CONSERVATIVE. THAT'S WHY YOUR ATTACKING MITT.

YOUR AFRAID HE'S GOING TO DISMANTLE 0BUMMERCARE JUST LIKE HE DID IN MASSACHUSITS
 
2012-08-09 12:56:28 PM
Mitt Romney isn't really a Mormon. He's an atheist who only went along with his father's faith so he could duck the Vietnam draft. He didn't actually try to convert anyone when he was in France either. In reality, he spent all his time in Monte Carlo gambling and buying high-end hookers. When his daddy found out what he was doing, he made him come home and marry his high school sweetheart. Actually, he only made him marry her after the second time she got pregnant. The first time, they got an abortion. Then Romney started using some of the mafia connections he had made in Marseilles to import heroin. By the time he became governor, they were flying it straight into a secret airport they set up in the Berkshires. When one of the pilots started to talk, Romney had him killed.
 
2012-08-09 01:03:14 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Romney may not be a US citizen.


But he's white, so its OK.
 
2012-08-09 01:05:07 PM
Came for the tax returns, leaving disappointed (but not at all surprised)
 
2012-08-09 01:20:36 PM
So as I understand it, Romney says that he "retroactively retired" from Bain in 1999, but was included on the SEC filings because he was still the figurehead owner/CEO/general manager. He severed all ties in '99 in order to move to Utah to run the 2002 Olympics. He claimed Utah as his state of residence on his taxes during this time. In 2002, when the Olympics were "back on track" due to federal subsidies to pay off their debt, Romney decided to run for Governor of Massachusetts. However, he needed to be a Massachusetts resident for the previous 7 years in order to qualify. When this issue went before the state board, he claimed that he still maintained a Massachusetts residence and used his continued executive activity at Bain as proof.

Assuming the above paragraph is accurate, why isn't this mess a bigger deal? We really need to push the "legitimate" press to do their damn jobs and investigate this further. Either he lied then to become eligible for the governorship or he's lying now about retiring from Bain in '99. Or of course, Option C: he was lying both times.

This isn't some rumor or random claim from a crackpot, these are official documents and board hearings involved. A little investigative journalism is more than warranted.
 
2012-08-09 01:38:16 PM

sprawl15: enry:
There's also indications that he's voted illegally in the state by saying he was living in the unfinished basement of one of his sons.

Tagg's basement, no less.


That's probably where they buried Bapp.

i194.photobucket.com


\props to sweetmel...
 
2012-08-09 01:42:22 PM

EyeballKid: karl2025: I bet Romney quietly gave up his citizenship as a tax dodge and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Nonsense!! A Romney never gives up that which can be sold.



Holy crap! Romney is a Ferengi.
 
2012-08-09 02:41:56 PM

Maud Dib: That's probably where they buried Bapp.


Ow. It hurts to hold laughter in your nasal passages.
 
2012-08-09 04:13:25 PM
Coming real late to the party here, but Jegus. Did the GOP not vet this guy at ALL before deciding he could be a candidate?
 
2012-08-09 04:31:42 PM

numb3r5ev3n: Coming real late to the party here, but Jegus. Did the GOP not vet this guy at ALL before deciding he could be a candidate?


He won the GOP primary basically by default, against a pack of lunatics and retards (and John Hunstman, who had zero cred with the hard-liners and Teabaggers)

Sending the "inevitable" Hillary Clinton against a competent and savvy opponent like Barack Obama revealed a number of deeply buried flaws, that probably wouldn't have surfaced against a collection of the expected has-beens and never-will-bes.
 
2012-08-09 04:40:14 PM

TeDDD: 2002: Refuses to release taxes. Lies about contents. Contents are damning for campaign, even if nothing comes of it.

2012: Refuses to release taxes. Lies about contents...? Who can say for sure, other than the guy you shouldn't trust at this point.


This this thissity this!
 
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