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(Bloomberg)   Looks like the TSA is coming to your PC. Good thing you're already naked, that makes it easier. But you will have to raise BOTH hands   (bloomberg.com) divider line 55
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2012-08-09 12:04:19 PM
FTFA: Senate Republicans last week blocked a bill backed by Obama that would have set up voluntary cybersecurity standards for operators of infrastructure such as power grids and water- treatment plants that are considered essential to national security.

Republicans, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups said the voluntary standards would be a back door to government regulation of companies.


Don't say Republicans never did anything for you.
 
2012-08-09 12:05:55 PM
oh god! not the voluntary standards!
 
2012-08-09 12:07:45 PM
This bill looks to be pretty far down on the list of things to be concerned about.
 
2012-08-09 12:07:54 PM
I know it's too much to expect submitters to actually read the article, but holy fark balls subby - you're seriously mentally deficient.
 
2012-08-09 12:08:23 PM
Well that was a misleading headline.
 
2012-08-09 12:09:08 PM

wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!


While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.
 
2012-08-09 12:09:50 PM
I will raise both hands... and six donuts...

/yes i am the most popular guy at the nudist camp; I'm that guy
 
2012-08-09 12:10:14 PM
I think utilities and other vital services should adopt more stringent security. I think Obama is right on this one. The Republicans are just doing what they have for the past 3 years and that is exactly the opposite of what Obama does.

Maybe he should just start using reverse psych on 'em?
 
2012-08-09 12:11:21 PM
shinybadge.com
 
2012-08-09 12:15:24 PM
FTFA: U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups said the voluntary standards would be a back door to government regulation of companies.

Ya, the executive order sounds super. We should encourage this man to take more power to secure us because his work with Homeland Security, the TSA, and the NDAA have just been so stellar. I was a huge fan when he re-upped the Patriot Act too. To think that I hated Bush for his unique violations of my civil liberties all those years and thought Obama would be different because he was a Democrat.
 
2012-08-09 12:15:44 PM

Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.


Because when the power grid browns out in one state from someone messing up a setting, it never effects any other states or Federal property?
 
2012-08-09 12:17:12 PM
What's the matter?
If you aren't doing anything wrong you've got nothing to hide... or does that only apply to the general citizenry?
 
2012-08-09 12:19:47 PM
a) You realize that it wasn't Barack Obama or the Democrats who dreamed up the TSA, right?

b) Scoff all you want, but it would be nice if we had some sort of protections in place to keep viruses or hackers from disrupting, say, the nation's power grids. I understand that power companies are usually private companies, but if Con Edison were taken down for days because of some computer attack, the results could be disastrous.
 
2012-08-09 12:20:24 PM

Doubleodoug: What's the matter?
If you aren't doing anything wrong you've got nothing to hide... or does that only apply to the general citizenry?


Only to general citizens. That is why you cannot record police out in public.
 
2012-08-09 12:20:35 PM
Perhaps they should have gotten their ducks in a row before unleashing the viruses on the world that attack these very things.

These clowns never think of the repercussions of their actions until it bites them in the ass, And even then they don't take responsibility

Hey lets write some of the most sophisticated viruses ever seen on planet earth and unleash it what could possibly go wrong ?
 
2012-08-09 12:21:37 PM

Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.


(dormant) commerce clause. everything is appropriate for the federal government to decide (except a federal law requiring no guns around schools... that's the only exception that I can remember)
 
2012-08-09 12:23:36 PM

Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.


Let the states regulate things? Why?

indylaw: a) You realize that it wasn't Barack Obama or the Democrats who dreamed up the TSA, right?

b) Scoff all you want, but it would be nice if we had some sort of protections in place to keep viruses or hackers from disrupting, say, the nation's power grids. I understand that power companies are usually private companies, but if Con Edison were taken down for days because of some computer attack, the results could be disastrous.


a) He's had every opportunity to dismantle it, and has instead presided over a regime of even more intrusive actions on the part of the TSA. At this point, President Obama is just as liable for the problems the TSA/DHS causes as Bush, if not more so.

b) Agreed.
 
2012-08-09 12:24:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Don't say Republicans never did anything for you


They loved this shiat when Dubya was pushing it.

Just goes to show the parties don't matter. You get the same results, it's just each side has to reverse postions on issues after each election.
 
2012-08-09 12:25:44 PM
Republicans will take away your broom then biatch at you for not sweeping the floor.
 
2012-08-09 12:28:20 PM

stonicus: Republicans will take away your broom then biatch at you for not sweeping the floor.


And Democrats will require you to sweep floors that don't need sweeping, with government-approved brooms, and will levee heavy tax on the brooms so that your competition, who doesn't want to work to purchase a broom, can be provided one with government funds.

Both sides are evil. The sooner you lemmings on this site realize that, the sooner we'll be better off.
 
2012-08-09 12:29:06 PM
Republicans, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups said the voluntary standards would be a back door to government regulation of companies.

Like they already do with PGE? Or PUCs? Or the BPA?

I don't get it.

Also, infrastructure should be under government purview. It's one of the few things that really shouldn't be left to the "race to the bottom" downward-swing of Capitalism. You can't have competition within a monopoly.

Given the slippery nature of cybersecurity, I'm not sure how they would implement any program. It would be a good idea to prevent something like Stuxnet kicking us in the balls, but someone would have to constantly be poking systems to ensure that every known and new hole is being covered. Not a bad thing, just horrendously labor intensive (constant hacking, patching, hacking again, patching again, etc.).

/need moar coffee - barely coherent
 
2012-08-09 12:29:36 PM

indylaw: a) You realize that it wasn't Barack Obama or the Democrats who dreamed up the TSA, right?


The TSA is an agency within the Dept of Homeland Security within the President's cabinet, which means that Obama directs their policies. He has also publicly defended the scanners and pat-downs as necessary, so I can blame him for the current TSA fark ups all I want. The TSA got worse under his administration and he has made no efforts to fix it. In fact the administrations other actions (NDAA, FBI with its GPS tracking device fiasco, DEA cameras tracking citizens in border states) indicate they are pro- f'ing citizens civil liberties in the arse. It's surprising considering that Obama is a Democrat (which I thought was the opposite of fascist), a civil rights attorney and a professor of constitutional law.
 
2012-08-09 12:32:04 PM
And, once again, when they stop calling it "Cybersecurity" I'll assume that the US Governement has finally matured enough to discuss concepts like "Computer Security".

Till then, for the lulz.
 
2012-08-09 12:35:18 PM
indylaw


a) You realize that it wasn't Barack Obama or the Democrats who dreamed up the TSA, right?

You do realize we know you're lying, right?
Question 1: Who said "To profesionalize, you must Federalize"?
Protip 1: It wasn't bush
Protip 2: It wasn't a Republican

Fact: TSA groping didn't start till zero put his people in charge.
 
2012-08-09 12:36:54 PM

pute kisses like a man: Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.

(dormant) commerce clause. everything is appropriate for the federal government to decide (except a federal law requiring no guns around schools... that's the only exception that I can remember)


Yeah, abusing the constitution is bad no matter which side does it, or for what reasons - even good ones. Like I said, CJIS sec policy would be a good idea here. Asking the States to sign on to it would be appropriate. Handing down an executive order, not so much.
 
2012-08-09 12:49:32 PM
democrats and republicans make horrible leaders.
 
2012-08-09 12:52:36 PM
So it's not passed through the normal legislative process that's worked for the past 240 years, that means an unconstitutional executive order is needed to try to create a law based on a very small number of senators worries about a threat that cannot be substantiated? What could go wrong?!
 
2012-08-09 12:54:48 PM

Carlip: a threat that cannot be substantiated?


Clearly you've never been to Singapore.
 
2012-08-09 12:59:48 PM
When the cyber "Pearl Harbor" finally does happen, it'll be the republicans screaming the loudest, "why wasn't something done to prevent this?!?!? Who can we blame to up our chances in the next election? Gotdamn democrats and their anti-American lack of cyber security!!!"
 
2012-08-09 01:00:02 PM
Why would voluntary standards need to be established by a law? Can't they just send out a brochure?
 
2012-08-09 01:05:17 PM

Albert911emt: cyber "Pearl Harbor"


Don't make me throw things at you.

/PSA
 
2012-08-09 01:05:54 PM

OnlyM3: indylaw


a) You realize that it wasn't Barack Obama or the Democrats who dreamed up the TSA, right?
You do realize we know you're lying, right?
Question 1: Who said "To profesionalize, you must Federalize"?
Protip 1: It wasn't bush
Protip 2: It wasn't a Republican

Fact: TSA groping didn't start till zero put his people in charge.


?
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-09 01:11:57 PM

OnlyM3: You do realize we know you're lying, right?


I do realize that the creation of the TSA has been something of an embarrassing "bastard child" for the GOP. "How can we create a federal agency charged with making people feel safer at airports at least at a superficial level without creating a whole slew of federal workers who would have to be compensated as substantially as any other federal worker? How can we do this on-the-cheap?"

I do realize I know you're delusional about him lying.

I also realize anything with the word "cyber" in front of it that doesn't hail from Doctor Who is pretty laughable.
 
2012-08-09 01:13:46 PM

Carousel Beast: pute kisses like a man: Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.

(dormant) commerce clause. everything is appropriate for the federal government to decide (except a federal law requiring no guns around schools... that's the only exception that I can remember)

Yeah, abusing the constitution is bad no matter which side does it, or for what reasons - even good ones. Like I said, CJIS sec policy would be a good idea here. Asking the States to sign on to it would be appropriate. Handing down an executive order, not so much.


oh, I wasn't paying attention to the actor. whoops. that would have cost a few points in the real world.
 
2012-08-09 01:21:09 PM

Marine1: stonicus: Republicans will take away your broom then biatch at you for not sweeping the floor.

And Democrats will require you to sweep floors that don't need sweeping, with government-approved brooms, and will levee heavy tax on the brooms so that your competition, who doesn't want to work to purchase a broom, can be provided one with government funds.

Both sides are evil. The sooner you lemmings on this site realize that, the sooner we'll be better off.


Which is why I will vote for the conservative democrat, Barack Obama.
 
2012-08-09 01:24:58 PM
Voluntary standards = election year bullshiat
 
2012-08-09 01:34:01 PM
Think we're having fun now? Just wait till Hussein proclaims himself dictator.
 
2012-08-09 01:46:21 PM
What about cyber-skin?
 
2012-08-09 02:09:08 PM
Come on subby, this would have had a way better headline if Bush had done it.
 
2012-08-09 02:12:23 PM

MythDragon: What about cyber-skin?


Still pretty laughable. Then again most sex toys are out of context.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:24 PM

Doubleodoug: What's the matter?
If you aren't doing anything wrong you've got nothing to hide... or does that only apply to the general citizenry?


I still can't believe people seriously make that argument.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Guilt about an undisclosed offense does not in ANY WAY justify an unwarranted invasion of privacy.
It's like saying "If you can't get pregnant, you should no issue with being raped in the ass."
 
2012-08-09 02:13:36 PM

spectrek: Think we're having fun now? Just wait till Hussein proclaims himself dictator.


I can deal with a bronze statue leading.

Well, a piece of the ass of a bronze statue, anyway.
 
2012-08-09 02:31:21 PM
FTFA; "Believe me, the critical infrastructure of this country is under threat," Brennan said, adding that foreign states and hackers "are developing advanced technologies, and we have to improve our defenses on this issue."

Believe you? How about you tell us something once in a while if you want our support? Since 9/11, all of us civilians are suspects in our own damn country and there's a one-way flow of information. No Americans were involved in that 9/11 bullshiat, got it Brennan? Meanwhile we're going broke with all this superfluous security bullshiat and paying your guys' pensions. And now you want to cry "Believe me"? Last time I checked, you need to say that in the mirror.
 
2012-08-09 02:53:31 PM

krackpipe: FTFA; "Believe me, the critical infrastructure of this country is under threat," Brennan said, adding that foreign states and hackers "are developing advanced technologies, and we have to improve our defenses on this issue."

Believe you? How about you tell us something once in a while if you want our support? Since 9/11, all of us civilians are suspects in our own damn country and there's a one-way flow of information. No Americans were involved in that 9/11 bullshiat, got it Brennan? Meanwhile we're going broke with all this superfluous security bullshiat and paying your guys' pensions. And now you want to cry "Believe me"? Last time I checked, you need to say that in the mirror.


Shush up and enjoy your chocolate rations.

/...
/Feel the same.
 
2012-08-09 03:48:22 PM
Is Obama trying to break H. W.'s Executive Order record?


But obviously we need this because of all the hacker attacks on infrastructure in the last decade...oh, wait.
 
2012-08-09 03:51:33 PM

Carousel Beast: wedun: oh god! not the voluntary standards!

While I'd think an extension of CJIS security policies to infrastructure companies would be A Good ThingTM, it being a matter of Federal jurisdiction is questionable. Seems more like an item for the States to regulate.


Great point. It's a national defense issue, anyway... what business do the feds have messing around with that? Everyone knows power grid failures only affect one state at a time.

Much better to present the utilities and their supplier infrastructure with a patchwork of 50 different states' rules regarding cybersecurity, that'll keep 'em on their toes.
 
2012-08-09 04:09:27 PM

Marine1: stonicus: Republicans will take away your broom then biatch at you for not sweeping the floor.

And Democrats will require you to sweep floors that don't need sweeping, with government-approved brooms, and will levee heavy tax on the brooms so that your competition, who doesn't want to work to purchase a broom, can be provided one with government funds.

Both sides are evil. The sooner you lemmings on this site realize that, the sooner we'll be better off.


No, Republicans are evil, Democrats are incompetent. The only thing we have going for us right now is that stupidity cancels out evil at least as often as it does good.
 
2012-08-09 04:55:43 PM

Gleeman: Is Obama trying to break H. W.'s Executive Order record?


But obviously we need this because of all the hacker attacks on infrastructure in the last decade...oh, wait.


To be fair, while we're not getting the full story, from the bits we're getting it does sound like China is pretty much constantly hitting everything and everyone looking for anything they can steal.

/I can't even count the number of times I've seen "And the first thing I do is block all Russian and Chinese IP addresses" on Fark.
 
2012-08-09 05:03:13 PM
"President Barack Obama is considering executive-branch action on U.S. cybersecurity after Congress failed to pass legislation to protect national security assets..."

Deciding to not pass a bad bill is not a "failure". Come on Barack, don't make me vote for Mitt. Don't make me even think about that.
 
2012-08-09 05:04:23 PM
Also, if you are operating the power grid and your equipment is connected to the Internet, you are an idiot.
 
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