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2012-08-09 12:06:46 PM  

StrikitRich: Now would be the perfect time for a Hypocrite tag.

Both parties are to blame.


Ah, so the Democrat Party pushes economic policies that are expressly designed to make the ultra-wealthy richer and everyone else poorer? They're actively trying to crash the economy and refusing to allow routine bills to go to the floor for a vote unless those bills contain a tax cut for billionaires?
 
2012-08-09 12:07:53 PM  

Cletus C.: dogdaze: Things are looking good for Obama and the Dems. The GOP is going to the RNC with a candidate they hate more than Obama. It looks like the GOP VP nod is going to go to another boring unpopular white guy and the Paulbots still think they have chance at the nomination. The RNC and VP pick will give them a temporary bump, but the Dems and Obama have got the GOP on the defensive. Watching the teabaggers flail over Harry Reid is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Some one on another Fark Politics tab thread said, "Could you imagine if Kerry owned a dancing horse and went to France to avoid Vietnam? Well, now you don't have to, that guy is the GOP candidate." I love it! Where are the Swiftboat Vets now?

It's a beautiful thing, alright. You can tell those Acorn hippies to back off when they are harassing you to register. No need to get out the illiterate vote this time. This thing is in the bag, man.


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"Look Smithers! Cletus is trying to evade the point!"
"Rather pathetic thing to do sir."
 
2012-08-09 12:08:22 PM  

Lumpmoose: The Democratic Party is pretty centrist overall but there are still fundamental differences, the biggest being that Democrats know austerity during a recession is a bad idea.


Even granting that, the national party platform is that government spending must be cut, albeit slower than Republicans want to slash it. Which is a position that is flatly idiotic. The only two depts that are bloated and whose funding should be decreased are the DoD and DHS. Everything else has been cut to the bone.
 
2012-08-09 12:12:00 PM  
As someone who has been wishing Democrats would pay attention to income inequality and stand up for workers since the eighties, this is gratifying. But let's see if it actually lasts past the elections. The Democrats aren't quite as slavish as the Republicans are to moneyed interests, but they're close.
 
2012-08-09 12:13:02 PM  
timeswampland.files.wordpress.com

Now hang on a minute. I'm the white Bill Clinton, what gives?
 
2012-08-09 12:14:17 PM  
I'll believe it when I see it, just like you can set your watch to republican spitefulness and bigotry you can set your watch to democrat spinelessness and failure.
 
2012-08-09 12:15:02 PM  

Weaver95: neversubmit: Real Headline: Disarray To Unity: How Democrats Got Their Groove Back

They didn't the Repubs lost their shiat.

there's more than a bit of truth to that statement...but for what its worth, the Democrats are more organized and motivated than they've ever been before. so maybe a little of column A and a little of column B?


Well yeah and people don't buy the Repubs b.s. like they once did. It helps that the Dems sometimes call them on it, but people seem to have somewhat adapted to the info war wage on them.
 
2012-08-09 12:15:39 PM  
I'll give the tea party know-nothings one bit of credit: they thinned the ranks of the Blue Dogs and the corporatist Dems a bit, making party unity a little easier.
 
2012-08-09 12:15:49 PM  

Weaver95: neversubmit: Real Headline: Disarray To Unity: How Democrats Got Their Groove Back

They didn't the Repubs lost their shiat.

there's more than a bit of truth to that statement...but for what its worth, the Democrats are more organized and motivated than they've ever been before. so maybe a little of column A and a little of column B?


Actually yes, the Ds somehow are organized and motivated in a common direction for like the first time in ever, but will it last more than a week?

Will some R pop up with some retarded assertion that a normal adult would ignore, but will throw the Ds into disarray like chickens confronted with something shiny?

Or does the current scenario rely more on continued R self immolation than on the Ds managing to just keep goddam driving in a straight line for more than 60 seconds?
 
2012-08-09 12:16:03 PM  

what_now: Ok. Now can we get some liberals in the party?


They're right here
 
2012-08-09 12:16:15 PM  
unlikely tag on vacation?

/staunch progressive and democrat, but would prefer if the Dems were at least 50% as evil as the Repubs., heh heh
 
2012-08-09 12:16:34 PM  
I've noticed in the ads (at least the ones airing here in S Louisiana) that the Dems are really hammering home the sort of thing Occupy was trying to raise awareness of before it was largely discredited. The message is simple, populist, and relentless. Even in a state where Jindal enjoys a majority approval rating, you can hear formerly apolitical or at least non-verbal folks in bars muttering that Romney-types killed his dad's factory and that he'll probably end up being farked in the ass if he keeps voting for people he thought were looking out for him. It's kind of impressive, although this will still be a red state come November.

If Rove & Co. could unify America behind a fairly weak platform bolstered by patriotism, Jesus, and fear of brown people, there's no reason Dems can't keep drilling home the fear of the "1%" bit. This sh*t works. Keep it simple, stupid, Stay on the message and hammer it home until it becomes a reality for voters.

Goodbye swing vote, GOP. Say hello to my lil' friend this fully operational second term Obama.

/he's a 1996 Republican anyway, so don't get your panties all twisted
 
2012-08-09 12:18:12 PM  
That'll happen when the only other viable party goes completely off the deep end and acts like an insurgent outlier rather than an opposition party acting in good faith...

When two people with differing opinions having a rational argument over policy based on actual facts are interrupted by a bomb throwing mental midget, who goes on and on about birth certificates, Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators and bases their arguments on a book of fairy tales, it's not unreasonable for the two rational folks to join together to work against the insane person, who just entered the room.
 
2012-08-09 12:19:24 PM  

El Pachuco:

Or does the current scenario rely more on continued R self immolation than on the Ds managing to just keep goddam driving in a straight line for more than 60 seconds?


I think we can rely on the Republicans penchant for self destruction to last out the rest of this year at the very least. so if the Dems can avoid being distracted by shiny objects for a couple/few months then they might actually make enough gains to be useful.
 
2012-08-09 12:19:28 PM  

Seabon: canyoneer: You mean the Democratic Party that has put Goldman Sachs in charge of the Treasury Department? Or are we talking about a different one here?

To be fair both parties have been putting Goldman Sachs in charge of Treasury for over 20 years.

Rubin (Clinton Treasury Sec) and Paulson (Bush Treasury Sec) were both former Goldman Sacs CEOs.


It's true, though Wall St. is where you find people with the most experience in finance, and I imagine you'd want a competent experienced Treasury Secretary.
 
2012-08-09 12:20:51 PM  

dickfreckle: I've noticed in the ads (at least the ones airing here in S Louisiana) that the Dems are really hammering home the sort of thing Occupy was trying to raise awareness of before it was largely discredited. The message is simple, populist, and relentless. Even in a state where Jindal enjoys a majority approval rating, you can hear formerly apolitical or at least non-verbal folks in bars muttering that Romney-types killed his dad's factory and that he'll probably end up being farked in the ass if he keeps voting for people he thought were looking out for him. It's kind of impressive, although this will still be a red state come November.

If Rove & Co. could unify America behind a fairly weak platform bolstered by patriotism, Jesus, and fear of brown people, there's no reason Dems can't keep drilling home the fear of the "1%" bit. This sh*t works. Keep it simple, stupid, Stay on the message and hammer it home until it becomes a reality for voters.

Goodbye swing vote, GOP. Say hello to my lil' friend this fully operational second term Obama.

/he's a 1996 Republican anyway, so don't get your panties all twisted


Emphasis added because it really is that simple.
 
2012-08-09 12:21:22 PM  

canyoneer: You mean the Democratic Party that has put Goldman Sachs in charge of the Treasury Department? Or are we talking about a different one here?


**Cough, Henry Paulson**
 
2012-08-09 12:21:51 PM  

Weaver95: neversubmit: Real Headline: Disarray To Unity: How Democrats Got Their Groove Back

They didn't the Repubs lost their shiat.

there's more than a bit of truth to that statement...but for what its worth, the Democrats are more organized and motivated than they've ever been before. so maybe a little of column A and a little of column B?


I would say that both are equally true. Republicans going guanopsychotic is the cause, the Democrats discovering party unity is the effect. I have never in my life seen this amount of message discipline from the Democratic Party.
 
2012-08-09 12:23:04 PM  

Seabon: To be fair both parties have been putting Goldman Sachs in charge of Treasury for over 20 years. Rubin (Clinton Treasury Sec) and Paulson (Bush Treasury Sec) were both former Goldman Sacs CEOs.


Obviously, but in light of that, how does the Democratic Party distinguish itself from the Republican Party as a champion of the middle class? And how are they different in terms of kowtowing to the moneyed elite? As far as I can determine, only in rhetoric. I suppose they'll keep working the same old scam as long as it pays.
 
2012-08-09 12:23:18 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: EighthDay: Democratic operatives chalk up their new posture to a number of factors: an altered political environment more focused on income inequality,

Say whatever you want about OWS and their effectiveness and progress (or lack thereof), this is at least partly a result of them.

Income inequality has been an ignored issue for decades - it's now become a political issue getting lots of discussion.

Actually, we're still here and we're doing fine. Occupy is only "ineffective" in the sense that we don't truck with electoral politics... which would be the fastest route to irrelevance for our movement. Real social and political change has never once come from the ballot box in this country.


Nice. I was so sad to see the OWS lose steam after the first winter in New York. I have friends that were neck-deep in a lot of the daily running until they got ran out by NYPD.

I had a feeling that they NEEDED that rough treatment, if only to disillusion most of them of their naive approach to the protests. A lot of OWS is running a lot quieter and playing subtle games now and that makes me a happy cynical bastard.
 
2012-08-09 12:24:36 PM  

coeyagi: Having a unified message, as unlikely as it may be, is still going to fall on deaf ears when the level of GOP base retardation is at DERPCON 1.


Well, one of our problems has always been the inability to sell an idea.

The Republican party (and Fox News) has been very successful in giving its base phrases and terms in which issues should be framed. Obamacare is unconstitutional and takes away your freedom. Ending Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and closing corporate tax loopholes is class warfare. Funding safety nets is too costly but corporate welfare is fiscal responsibility. They use terms and phrasing that allow the base to easily side with their argument without actually forcing thought.

The Democrats were so busy trying to reason with its base that their message made for horrible sound bytes. It was disjointed, complex, and spent a good portion trying to argue with other sound bytes.

The Republicans played offense and was able to set the tone. The Democrats settled for playing defense and allowed the opposition to set the tone.

Now we're seeing a divided Republican party and a Republican-backed candidate that seems to be casuing further divide. President Obama has suddenly shown interest in winning and has been working with the Democrats to present an offense.

About damn time.
 
2012-08-09 12:30:04 PM  
Posturing before an election is one thing. Let's see the dems grow a pair when it comes to actually governing.
 
2012-08-09 12:31:27 PM  
GOP Con will determine the level of DERP-CON, going into the Fall.

/should be more fun to watch than one of those Comic Con things
 
2012-08-09 12:32:33 PM  

canyoneer: And how are they different in terms of kowtowing to the moneyed elite? As far as I can determine, only in rhetoric.


check out the types of taxes you pay in red states versus blue states and you'll see that it isn't only in rhetoric.
 
2012-08-09 12:33:23 PM  
FTFA: The Obama campaign and Democrats are standing by Reid as he blazes on with his unproven claim that Romney didn't pay taxes for a decade, mounting the pressure on the ex-governor to release his tax returns and prove him wrong.

Harry Reid is the perfect "surrogate" for the "tax" attacks on Mitt Romney. The conservatives have been villifying Harry Reid to the public for a very long time now. The "attack the messenger to discredit the message" just doesn't work on him anymore because the public has become desensitized to attacks on him, which allows the message to be the focus instead of Reid.
 
2012-08-09 12:34:34 PM  

Infernalist: The only thing that concerns me is what he does with the rest of his career after his second term.


Supreme Court.
 
2012-08-09 12:40:05 PM  

canyoneer: Seabon: To be fair both parties have been putting Goldman Sachs in charge of Treasury for over 20 years. Rubin (Clinton Treasury Sec) and Paulson (Bush Treasury Sec) were both former Goldman Sacs CEOs.

Obviously, but in light of that, how does the Democratic Party distinguish itself from the Republican Party as a champion of the middle class? And how are they different in terms of kowtowing to the moneyed elite? As far as I can determine, only in rhetoric. I suppose they'll keep working the same old scam as long as it pays.


You don't see a difference in the degree of magnitude? Only one party is holding the economy hostage in order to keep giant tax cuts for the wealthy. (Unless you consider the Ds a willing accomplice in the Rs hostage taking, which is possible)
 
2012-08-09 12:41:03 PM  
Lol at submitter actually believing that either party holds the other accountable.
 
2012-08-09 12:43:34 PM  

StrikitRich: Now would be the perfect time for a Hypocrite tag.

Both parties are to blame.


Equally.

So vote Republican.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:11 PM  
Anybody who thinks "both parties are the same" or that they are both equally responsible for the utter uselessness of Congress these days needs to read this book...

It's Even Worse Than It Looks
 
2012-08-09 12:51:48 PM  
I stopped reading at unified
 
2012-08-09 12:52:00 PM  

Seabon: You don't see a difference in the degree of magnitude? Only one party is holding the economy hostage in order to keep giant tax cuts for the wealthy. (Unless you consider the Ds a willing accomplice in the Rs hostage taking, which is possible)


Well, I've noticed that these fellows seem to get very wealthy while they're in office - Democrats as much so as Republicans - and they all take advantage of the lucrative bribery and insider-trading on offer. And I note that very little Changed when the Deomcrats had majorities in both houses of Congress and control of the Administration, in spite of the rhetoric. Something filibuster something something blue dogs something filibuster something, and nothing happened. Business as usual.
 
2012-08-09 12:53:16 PM  

Headso: check out the types of taxes you pay in red states versus blue states and you'll see that it isn't only in rhetoric.


I can't seem to find any red or blue states on the map - only purple ones.
 
2012-08-09 12:53:26 PM  

SoupJohnB: GOP Con will determine the level of DERP-CON, going into the Fall.

/should be more fun to watch than one of those Comic Con things


I'm envisioning the total amount of derp that was spewed at the 2008 RNC convention will be spewed on day one of the 2012 convention.

We really need to come up with a standard of measurement for herp, derp, herpa derp and hurr. I suggest a metric system. Milliderps, derps and kiloderps.

The final day of the 2012 RNC convention is expected to detonate at least 150 kiloderps, enough to wipe out a large city full of rational people.
 
2012-08-09 12:54:14 PM  

coeyagi: Having a unified message, as unlikely as it may be, is still going to fall on deaf ears when the level of GOP base retardation is at DERPCON 1.


Doesn't matter in national elections...there aren't enough people at DERPCON 1 to carry their candidate. Same holds true at the State level for most of the more moderate 'swing' states.

Now, the House level? Yeah, that's full on Herpa Derp right there, and no sort of unified anything will stand in the way of it particularly with all the redistricting that's gone on since the census.
 
2012-08-09 12:57:53 PM  

canyoneer: Seabon: You don't see a difference in the degree of magnitude? Only one party is holding the economy hostage in order to keep giant tax cuts for the wealthy. (Unless you consider the Ds a willing accomplice in the Rs hostage taking, which is possible)

Well, I've noticed that these fellows seem to get very wealthy while they're in office - Democrats as much so as Republicans - and they all take advantage of the lucrative bribery and insider-trading on offer. And I note that very little Changed when the Deomcrats had majorities in both houses of Congress and control of the Administration, in spite of the rhetoric. Something filibuster something something blue dogs something filibuster something, and nothing happened. Business as usual.


Blue Dog Democrats were all but Republican in their thinking and leanings. It was funny how they resisted so much of the White House's efforts from 2008 to 2010 and all it earned them was getting replaced by Teaderpers.
 
2012-08-09 12:58:17 PM  

canyoneer: Headso: check out the types of taxes you pay in red states versus blue states and you'll see that it isn't only in rhetoric.

I can't seem to find any red or blue states on the map - only purple ones.


Your contention is that all the states are the same with regards to the level of control by democrats and republicans? You aren't going to acknowledge that the bluer the state the more forms of progressive taxation and more robust social services?
 
2012-08-09 01:00:44 PM  

Headso: canyoneer: Headso: check out the types of taxes you pay in red states versus blue states and you'll see that it isn't only in rhetoric.

I can't seem to find any red or blue states on the map - only purple ones.

Your contention is that all the states are the same with regards to the level of control by democrats and republicans? You aren't going to acknowledge that the bluer the state the more forms of progressive taxation and more robust social services?


You only have to compare Vermont to Texas to get an idea of the difference between the two.
 
2012-08-09 01:01:58 PM  

canyoneer: Seabon: To be fair both parties have been putting Goldman Sachs in charge of Treasury for over 20 years. Rubin (Clinton Treasury Sec) and Paulson (Bush Treasury Sec) were both former Goldman Sacs CEOs.

Obviously, but in light of that, how does the Democratic Party distinguish itself from the Republican Party as a champion of the middle class? And how are they different in terms of kowtowing to the moneyed elite? As far as I can determine, only in rhetoric. I suppose they'll keep working the same old scam as long as it pays.


Uh...tax policy. Also the legislative agenda pushed by the Democrats during Obama's first two terms in office. Or do you think the GOP would have tackled credit card reform, student loan reform, and health care had John McCain won?
 
2012-08-09 01:03:34 PM  

canyoneer: Headso: check out the types of taxes you pay in red states versus blue states and you'll see that it isn't only in rhetoric.

I can't seem to find any red or blue states on the map - only purple ones.


Being deliberately obtuse is the true hallmark of the independent voter.
 
2012-08-09 01:05:17 PM  

keylock71: Anybody who thinks "both parties are the same" or that they are both equally responsible for the utter uselessness of Congress these days needs to read this book...

It's Even Worse Than It Looks


You know, all these people that keep saying "both sides are bad" are the same people that voted for Ralph Nader in 2000.

So, fark y'all, because you gave us 8 years of Bush.
 
2012-08-09 01:07:03 PM  

Infernalist: Nice. I was so sad to see the OWS lose steam after the first winter in New York. I have friends that were neck-deep in a lot of the daily running until they got ran out by NYPD.

I had a feeling that they NEEDED that rough treatment, if only to disillusion most of them of their naive approach to the protests. A lot of OWS is running a lot quieter and playing subtle games now and that makes me a happy cynical bastard.


It hasn't really changed; we've been doing lots of quieter work since day one as well as the loud public stuff. We're still doing both. The only thing that has really died back is the public camps. Hell, here in Seattle we have major demonstrations multiple times per week, every week. We've had major successes with labor support. New York is staging serious anti-foreclosure actions.

People only say we're "dead" or anything like that because given the choice between the media and their own eyes, most people choose to believe the media.
 
2012-08-09 01:07:21 PM  

canyoneer: Seabon: You don't see a difference in the degree of magnitude? Only one party is holding the economy hostage in order to keep giant tax cuts for the wealthy. (Unless you consider the Ds a willing accomplice in the Rs hostage taking, which is possible)

Well, I've noticed that these fellows seem to get very wealthy while they're in office - Democrats as much so as Republicans - and they all take advantage of the lucrative bribery and insider-trading on offer. And I note that very little Changed when the Deomcrats had majorities in both houses of Congress and control of the Administration, in spite of the rhetoric. Something filibuster something something blue dogs something filibuster something, and nothing happened. Business as usual.


Might have something to do with the $150k+ salary, the expense account, the guaranteed pension (so you don't have to put as much of your salary away for retirement), access to ahead-of-the-curve business info, the taxpayer-funded gold-plated health insurance and the rest of the government perks - in addition to the less scrupulous using the status and access of a Congressional seat to do illegal/unethical things.

Or they're all corrupt and don't vote EVAR. That's an option too.
 
2012-08-09 01:07:39 PM  

Bontesla: coeyagi: Having a unified message, as unlikely as it may be, is still going to fall on deaf ears when the level of GOP base retardation is at DERPCON 1.

Well, one of our problems has always been the inability to sell an idea.

The Republican party (and Fox News) has been very successful in giving its base phrases and terms in which issues should be framed. Obamacare is unconstitutional and takes away your freedom. Ending Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and closing corporate tax loopholes is class warfare. Funding safety nets is too costly but corporate welfare is fiscal responsibility. They use terms and phrasing that allow the base to easily side with their argument without actually forcing thought.

The Democrats were so busy trying to reason with its base that their message made for horrible sound bytes. It was disjointed, complex, and spent a good portion trying to argue with other sound bytes.

The Republicans played offense and was able to set the tone. The Democrats settled for playing defense and allowed the opposition to set the tone.

Now we're seeing a divided Republican party and a Republican-backed candidate that seems to be casuing further divide. President Obama has suddenly shown interest in winning and has been working with the Democrats to present an offense.

About damn time.


To summarize, it's easy to sell a message when it's one of fear. It's hard to sell a message when you invoke math and Keynesian economics.
 
2012-08-09 01:11:40 PM  
The "New Democratic Party", born on a presidential election year?

I think the "New Democratic Party" will cease to exist on November 7th.
 
2012-08-09 01:11:48 PM  
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2012-08-09 01:13:29 PM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
"It looks like they won't figure out to blame me until after I'm dead.
What a bunch of idiots."
 
2012-08-09 01:16:10 PM  

DrPainMD: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 320x242]
"It looks like they won't figure out to blame me until after I'm dead.
What a bunch of idiots."


Yes, yes, so vote Republican. Kill yourself.
 
2012-08-09 01:26:37 PM  

keylock71: Anybody who thinks "both parties are the same" or that they are both equally responsible for the utter uselessness of Congress these days needs to read this book...

It's Even Worse Than It Looks


From reading the description of that book, I'd say that the authors are totally clueless. Everything you see on TV regarding politics is THEATER. Once the cameras and microphones are turned off, there isn't much arguing, other than arguing how they're going to divide your freedom and your money amongst themselves.
 
2012-08-09 01:31:34 PM  
Don't forget the false ads, lies, innuendo, obfuscation, and false outrage. That's today's liberal.
 
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