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2012-08-09 01:32:03 PM  

Deucednuisance: Everybody voicing an opinion on this matter that has a J.D or better, raise your hand.


dontfierme.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-09 01:32:09 PM  

Carn: dittybopper: OK, for the terminally clueless who can't put 2+2 together to get 4: A "social rifle" is a rifle that is especially well adapted to allow one to survive in adverse social situations: ie., riots, wars, zombie attacks, alien invasion, etc.

I'd call it an anti-social weapon then, and not only because I want to link to Anthrax. I mean, a zombie epidemic seems like a pretty anti-social occasion!


I can tell you're on a train ride to no importance.
 
2012-08-09 01:34:52 PM  

PsyLord: His next shipment of bath towels will be replaced by hookers and blow.


Man, I want to party at this guy's house.
 
2012-08-09 01:35:01 PM  

mbillips: Spade: Fish in a Barrel: Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?

"Possess" is not the same as "own." He is indeed in possession of the gun.

Yup. Seems like he spent a lot of time with that rifle before he bothered to call the DC cops. There is no "it wasn't mine!" exemption.

BATF and the MPD have gone after people for far less.

Look up "criminal intent" and come back.


lol, like DC cares.

Link

And plenty of tourists have been arrested and charged because they had a gun while visiting DC. No "criminal intent".
In fact, plenty of people driving through DC and NY have been arrested and charged despite complying with the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986.
 
2012-08-09 01:35:25 PM  
It would be nice to order a TV and get a Big Ass Gun, but I imagine someone would come looking for it eventually. Like when people spend money that gets put in their bank accounts in error and then they get arrested for theft.
 
2012-08-09 01:36:25 PM  
That's what happens in NE DC. Had the gentleman in question resided in SE DC and been black, then when MPD showed up they would have arrested him and charged him with unlawful possession.
 
2012-08-09 01:37:22 PM  

dittybopper: Tat'dGreaser: dittybopper: OK, for the terminally clueless who can't put 2+2 together to get 4: A "social rifle" is a rifle that is especially well adapted to allow one to survive in adverse social situations: ie., riots, wars, zombie attacks, alien invasion, etc.

You can't just make up words

I didn't make up any words. Neither social nor rifle is my invention, and I didn't even invent the term "social rifle".



Oh, for fark's sake. That's really a thing? People admit to owning ARs and whatnot to use in self-defense during the coming apocalypse?

I will bet anything you like that 99.9 percent of social rifles are owned by people who live in the suburbs and are at zero risk for a riot.
 
2012-08-09 01:37:35 PM  

mbillips: Spade: Fish in a Barrel: Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?

"Possess" is not the same as "own." He is indeed in possession of the gun.

Yup. Seems like he spent a lot of time with that rifle before he bothered to call the DC cops. There is no "it wasn't mine!" exemption.

BATF and the MPD have gone after people for far less.

Look up "criminal intent" and come back.


Oh, just one more for "criminal intent"

"If a visitor came to the Capitol, and this happened many times, they would bring a weapon with them because they had heard about crime in the District of Columbia," says [Joseph diGenova, a former U.S. Attorney for Washington, DC]. "They would show up at the Capitol. They would say, 'I would like to check my weapon.' The nice Capitol Police officer would say, 'Thank you, sir. Let me have the gun. You're not allowed to have this in the District of Columbia.' They would be arrested, cordially, politely, gently taken down. They would be booked and then they would be asked to plead to an unregistered firearm violation, pay a $100 fine, and forfeit the weapon, and then they would go about their business. "

DiGenova adds, "But we never did not enforce the law. Everyone always had to give up their weapon and plead guilty to something or go to trial."

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=95539
 
2012-08-09 01:38:38 PM  

stonicus: Deucednuisance: Everybody voicing an opinion on this matter that has a J.D or better, raise your hand.

[dontfierme.files.wordpress.com image 384x512]


www.chasingthefrog.com
 
2012-08-09 01:39:01 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: OK, for the terminally clueless who can't put 2+2 together to get 4: A "social rifle" is a rifle that is especially well adapted to allow one to survive in adverse social situations: ie., riots, wars, zombie attacks, alien invasion, etc.

I'd call it an anti-social weapon then, and not only because I want to link to Anthrax. I mean, a zombie epidemic seems like a pretty anti-social occasion!

I can tell you're on a train ride to no importance.


Bet your ass ;)

Long time til I can pack it in and retire though.
 
2012-08-09 01:39:39 PM  
Ugh...and I bet this pansie thinks that it's the norm for firearm shipments to end up at your door.

/Only ordered a firearm from an out of state seller once.
//And as anyone with a bit of knowledge might expect, it was shipped to my local dealer, not my house.
 
2012-08-09 01:40:45 PM  

Barfmaker: dittybopper: a decent social rifle

Social rifle?


I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either? Assault is an action, a felony, an intent, any number of things but not a descriptor of a type of a class of weapon. If I go pick up one of the pavestones in my front garden and smash my next door neighbor with it it has become an assault stone, but it wasn't beforehand. If I take a Light Antitank Weapon and stick in in an elephants vagina it has become a dildo. But neither was until utilized as such.

Any 100 year old bolt action .22 can become an assault rifle. I don't know, it's just weird.

Call it a semiautomatic .762 rifle.
 
2012-08-09 01:41:59 PM  

Spade: "If a visitor came to the Capitol, and this happened many times, they would bring a weapon with them because they had heard about crime in the District of Columbia,"



Oh wow...you mean their shiatty gun laws did nothing to reduce crime? Color me shocked.

CSB:

I knew a guy in college who did a summer program in DC, and had to fly back months later because he had witnessed a deadly shooting while he was there, and he had to come back to testify in the trial.
 
2012-08-09 01:42:17 PM  

Heinrich von Eckardt: What a tool.


The guy is clearly a panty-waist but in his situation calling law enforcement was the right answer. Calling those dipshiats at Brady was a dick move, tho.

In my area I probably would have called ATF to sort it out - it's not illegal for us to possess that type of weapon as long as it is acquired properly.
 
2012-08-09 01:42:21 PM  

Spade: mbillips: Spade: Fish in a Barrel: Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?

"Possess" is not the same as "own." He is indeed in possession of the gun.

Yup. Seems like he spent a lot of time with that rifle before he bothered to call the DC cops. There is no "it wasn't mine!" exemption.

BATF and the MPD have gone after people for far less.

Look up "criminal intent" and come back.

lol, like DC cares.

Link

And plenty of tourists have been arrested and charged because they had a gun while visiting DC. No "criminal intent".
In fact, plenty of people driving through DC and NY have been arrested and charged despite complying with the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986.


All of those people had intent to commit a criminal offense (they didn't know it was criminal, but they did it on purpose). Douchebag McHipsterpuss had no intent to possess a rifle; in fact it made him go weewee just slightly, and it was obvious to the cops who came to get the rifle that he hadn't formed any such intent.

Criminal intent doesn't mean you intend to be a criminal; it means you deliberately did something that is against the law. Reasonable ignorance of the law is a defense in court, but it won't stop you from being arrested until cops learn to read minds.
 
2012-08-09 01:44:05 PM  

mbillips: And that's a rare exception to the rule that civilian arms historically were not only lower-powered than military ones, but had smaller ammo capacity (partly because of hunting laws, but also because there's no practical reason for a hunter to carry around a bunch of extra ammo in the weapon). The high capacity of Winchesters was a product of the design, and was originally intended to make them a superior battlefield weapon, like the Spencer. After the war, they turned to the civilian market because only the Russians ever really went for lever-action muskets.


Thing is: You can hunt with a lever action rifle that holds as many rounds as you'd like. NYS DEC regs are typical of that sort of thing:

It is unlawful to hunt big game with:
...
An autoloading firearm with a capacity of more than 6 shells (one which requires that the trigger be pulled separately for each shot), except an autoloading pistol with a barrel length of less than 8 inches.
...


You could hunt with a manually operated gun holding as many rounds as you wanted. These would be perfectly legal to hunt deer or bear with, despite holding more than 6 rounds:

i45.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com

That last one points out a major fallacy of banning semi-automatics, btw: You could just make a pump action gun that shoots nearly as fast and holds just as much ammo.
 
2012-08-09 01:45:28 PM  

mbillips: dittybopper: Tat'dGreaser: dittybopper: OK, for the terminally clueless who can't put 2+2 together to get 4: A "social rifle" is a rifle that is especially well adapted to allow one to survive in adverse social situations: ie., riots, wars, zombie attacks, alien invasion, etc.

You can't just make up words

I didn't make up any words. Neither social nor rifle is my invention, and I didn't even invent the term "social rifle".



Oh, for fark's sake. That's really a thing? People admit to owning ARs and whatnot to use in self-defense during the coming apocalypse?

I will bet anything you like that 99.9 percent of social rifles are owned by people who live in the suburbs and are at zero risk for a riot.


It is not really that inconceivable that a catastrophic event could occur that would lead to riots\looting. A full blown collapse of civilization is not as likely, but having the correct equipment to defend you home and family against the possibility that the police\military were unavailable for a short period of time (for example two weeks) is not an unreasonable or paranoid thing to do. It does not require a ton of money, either. An SKS and 500 rounds of 7.62x39 could be had for under $500. Not unreasonable for insurance (plus an SKS is pretty fun to shoot).
 
2012-08-09 01:46:39 PM  

slykens1: Heinrich von Eckardt: What a tool.

The guy is clearly a panty-waist but in his situation calling law enforcement was the right answer. Calling those dipshiats at Brady was a dick move, tho.

In my area I probably would have called ATF to sort it out - it's not illegal for us to possess that type of weapon as long as it is acquired properly.


Or you could, you know, call the gun company that shipped it and ask them to send you a return label.
 
2012-08-09 01:46:42 PM  

notatrollorami: Barfmaker: dittybopper: a decent social rifle

Social rifle?

I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either? Assault is an action, a felony, an intent, any number of things but not a descriptor of a type of a class of weapon. If I go pick up one of the pavestones in my front garden and smash my next door neighbor with it it has become an assault stone, but it wasn't beforehand. If I take a Light Antitank Weapon and stick in in an elephants vagina it has become a dildo. But neither was until utilized as such.

Any 100 year old bolt action .22 can become an assault rifle. I don't know, it's just weird.

Call it a semiautomatic .762 rifle.


Go be lazy somewhere else.
 
2012-08-09 01:46:53 PM  

mbillips: True. The Winchester in .45 LC would have been a MUCH better Indian wars rifle than the Springfield was (Custer would probably have survived if his troopers had been carrying them), but the army wanted to be properly armed for a European-style war fought at longer ranges.


Except that lever action rifles in .45 Colt weren't made until the last 20 years or so. The small rim of the .45 Colt (necessitated by the limitations of the cylinder diameter of a Colt model P) doesn't lend itself to reliable extraction in a rifle. .44-40 would have been the appropriate period choice.

mbillips: And that's a rare exception to the rule that civilian arms historically were not only lower-powered than military ones, but had smaller ammo capacity (partly because of hunting laws, but also because there's no practical reason for a hunter to carry around a bunch of extra ammo in the weapon). The high capacity of Winchesters was a product of the design, and was originally intended to make them a superior battlefield weapon, like the Spencer. After the war, they turned to the civilian market because only the Russians ever really went for lever-action muskets.


Almost all the classic battle rifles were pretty low capacity. I can't think of many military long guns that had more than a 5-round capacity except for pistol caliber sub-machine guns and the Lee-Enfields (which hold 10 rounds) and Garand (which held 8) until after WWII.

The SMGs, even in semi-auto form, would make exceptionally poor hunting arms based on their low power alone. On the other hand, some of them were marketed as civilian defensive arms prior to the 1934 NFA:

www.nfatoys.com


For what it's worth, this is going to be my deer rifle this year:
i100.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-09 01:47:05 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Jesus, I just want to punch that guy through the article



'We sipped our espressos, cowering in fear under the kitchen table. My turtleneck sweater was much too scratch, but I couldn't move from the fear. The Death Machine was on the counter, staring at us. Watching us. I had no choice but to let the twitter-verse know my displeasure.
 
2012-08-09 01:47:19 PM  

notatrollorami: I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either?


The term was invented by Adolf Hitler, in a military context.
 
2012-08-09 01:48:02 PM  

dittybopper: I would have been like "Hey, free gun!"


"A while later, two patrol officers arrived at the apartment, asked a few questions, took a quick read of the invoice, then gathered up the rifle and drove away."

And the cop said the same thing!

I wonder how they decided which one of them got to keep it? Coin toss?
 
2012-08-09 01:48:34 PM  
The DC govt lost a court case a year back and now people can own a handgun for protection IIRC. I know this freaked the shiat out of the DCPD and they attached all kinds of rules to it like it had to be a revolver and not any handgun with a magazine cause those are booga booga scary. I like living close to DC but I doubt I could ever live there.
 
2012-08-09 01:48:57 PM  

dittybopper: mbillips: And that's a rare exception to the rule that civilian arms historically were not only lower-powered than military ones, but had smaller ammo capacity (partly because of hunting laws, but also because there's no practical reason for a hunter to carry around a bunch of extra ammo in the weapon). The high capacity of Winchesters was a product of the design, and was originally intended to make them a superior battlefield weapon, like the Spencer. After the war, they turned to the civilian market because only the Russians ever really went for lever-action muskets.

Thing is: You can hunt with a lever action rifle that holds as many rounds as you'd like. NYS DEC regs are typical of that sort of thing:

It is unlawful to hunt big game with:
...
An autoloading firearm with a capacity of more than 6 shells (one which requires that the trigger be pulled separately for each shot), except an autoloading pistol with a barrel length of less than 8 inches.
...

You could hunt with a manually operated gun holding as many rounds as you wanted. These would be perfectly legal to hunt deer or bear with, despite holding more than 6 rounds:


Or you could just hunt with a semiautomatic and only put a 5 round magazine in. I know plenty of folks that own "hunting magazines" for their semiautomatics. In some places it's perfectly fine to take a 30 round magazine and just stick a wooden dowel in it that plugs it to 5 rounds. When you're done, you take the dowel out and your mag is back to 30.
 
2012-08-09 01:49:16 PM  

MycroftHolmes: It is not really that inconceivable that a catastrophic event could occur that would lead to riots\looting.


Yes, it is...
 
2012-08-09 01:50:22 PM  

MycroftHolmes: scruffy1: A friend and I once stopped by the local sporting good store to buy a few thousand rounds of .22 ammo. We were going to go target shooting and they had a sale, 20 bucks for the 1000 or something like that. We get to the counter and some lady customer that was standing at it looked at us as if we were preparing to stage WWIII. Yeah some people....

If that had happened in Texas, the lady customer would only have been questioning your taste in ammo.


That's what my brother said when I told him the story, them again in Texas she would have asked if I was teaching the newborn to shoot.
 
2012-08-09 01:51:27 PM  

JesseL: For what it's worth, this is going to be my deer rifle this year:


As always, the top one will be my deer rifle this year:

i54.tinypic.com

I don't get the bottom one until dad gets tired of it, or dies.
 
2012-08-09 01:51:30 PM  
I think we should uphold what our forefathers intended.

Ban everything but muzzle loading muskets.
 
2012-08-09 01:51:40 PM  

MycroftHolmes: mbillips: dittybopper: Tat'dGreaser: dittybopper: OK, for the terminally clueless who can't put 2+2 together to get 4: A "social rifle" is a rifle that is especially well adapted to allow one to survive in adverse social situations: ie., riots, wars, zombie attacks, alien invasion, etc.

You can't just make up words

I didn't make up any words. Neither social nor rifle is my invention, and I didn't even invent the term "social rifle".



Oh, for fark's sake. That's really a thing? People admit to owning ARs and whatnot to use in self-defense during the coming apocalypse?

I will bet anything you like that 99.9 percent of social rifles are owned by people who live in the suburbs and are at zero risk for a riot.

It is not really that inconceivable that a catastrophic event could occur that would lead to riots\looting. A full blown collapse of civilization is not as likely, but having the correct equipment to defend you home and family against the possibility that the police\military were unavailable for a short period of time (for example two weeks) is not an unreasonable or paranoid thing to do. It does not require a ton of money, either. An SKS and 500 rounds of 7.62x39 could be had for under $500. Not unreasonable for insurance (plus an SKS is pretty fun to shoot).


Show me one, one instance of rioting in a suburb in America after a natural disaster, ever. You don't even get a lot of looting outside of built-up urban areas. If you lived in the French Quarter or the Bronx, maybe it would make sense, but I'd prefer a) staying indoors and b) carrying a 12 gauge if anything.

/Have an SKS and an AK, but just for giggles/investment. Not sure how much ammo I have around; probably 100-200 rounds.
//Live in the 'burbs, but the inner burbs with lots of po immigrant folk around. Not skeered of them rioting.
 
2012-08-09 01:52:34 PM  
Thats a hell of a nice gun.

Damn
 
2012-08-09 01:53:02 PM  

JesseL: mbillips: True. The Winchester in .45 LC would have been a MUCH better Indian wars rifle than the Springfield was (Custer would probably have survived if his troopers had been carrying them), but the army wanted to be properly armed for a European-style war fought at longer ranges.

Except that lever action rifles in .45 Colt weren't made until the last 20 years or so. The small rim of the .45 Colt (necessitated by the limitations of the cylinder diameter of a Colt model P) doesn't lend itself to reliable extraction in a rifle. .44-40 would have been the appropriate period choice.

mbillips: And that's a rare exception to the rule that civilian arms historically were not only lower-powered than military ones, but had smaller ammo capacity (partly because of hunting laws, but also because there's no practical reason for a hunter to carry around a bunch of extra ammo in the weapon). The high capacity of Winchesters was a product of the design, and was originally intended to make them a superior battlefield weapon, like the Spencer. After the war, they turned to the civilian market because only the Russians ever really went for lever-action muskets.

Almost all the classic battle rifles were pretty low capacity. I can't think of many military long guns that had more than a 5-round capacity except for pistol caliber sub-machine guns and the Lee-Enfields (which hold 10 rounds) and Garand (which held 8) until after WWII.

The SMGs, even in semi-auto form, would make exceptionally poor hunting arms based on their low power alone. On the other hand, some of them were marketed as civilian defensive arms prior to the 1934 NFA:

[www.nfatoys.com image 413x578]


For what it's worth, this is going to be my deer rifle this year:
[i100.photobucket.com image 785x432]


It's legal to hunt with that magazine? A lot of states limit you to five rounds, and three in a shotgun.
 
2012-08-09 01:53:16 PM  

mbillips: Spade: mbillips: Spade: Fish in a Barrel: Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?

"Possess" is not the same as "own." He is indeed in possession of the gun.

Yup. Seems like he spent a lot of time with that rifle before he bothered to call the DC cops. There is no "it wasn't mine!" exemption.

BATF and the MPD have gone after people for far less.

Look up "criminal intent" and come back.

lol, like DC cares.

Link

And plenty of tourists have been arrested and charged because they had a gun while visiting DC. No "criminal intent".
In fact, plenty of people driving through DC and NY have been arrested and charged despite complying with the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986.

All of those people had intent to commit a criminal offense (they didn't know it was criminal, but they did it on purpose). Douchebag McHipsterpuss had no intent to possess a rifle; in fact it made him go weewee just slightly, and it was obvious to the cops who came to get the rifle that he hadn't formed any such intent.

Criminal intent doesn't mean you intend to be a criminal; it means you deliberately did something that is against the law. Reasonable ignorance of the law is a defense in court, but it won't stop you from being arrested until cops learn to read minds.


Here's the law again.


Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person or organization
in the District of Columbia ("District") shall receive, possess, control,
transfer, offer for sale, sell, give, or deliver any destructive device, and
no person or organization in the District shall possess or control any fire-
arm, unless the person or organization holds a valid registration certificate
for the firearm.


He controlled and possessed the firearm.

If he had no intent to do so, why did he posses it for several hours before calling the cops. I could possibly see your argument if he did it right away, but he did not.
 
2012-08-09 01:54:03 PM  

Spade: Let's look at DC law.

Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person or organization
in the District of Columbia ("District") shall receive, possess, control,


Oh, let's do, Counselor!

So, in your book, a mistaken delivery counts as "receiving"? Excellent! That Garden shop across town does a lot of business by check, and I'm a little short this month! And who couldn't use a free roto-tiller?

"Possess", I've already covered that one. Mere physical proximity is not "possession". Merely being in the same enclosed space is not "possession".

"Control": I thought the complaint was that the dude's a pussy who was too scared of the gun to handle it! He never even took it out of the shrinkwrap, much less out of the crate. How was he "controlling" it? Seriously a few hours of "WTF do I do with this thing?" equals "control" to you lot? Calling the cops and anyone else he could think of to take it away is "control"?

And as someone rightly pointed out above, this sophistry completely ignores the intent of the non-actor.

Suppose, like in the XKCD cartoon, I get a delivery of a live bobcat in a cage. It's in my house for a few hours while I try to get it disposed of. I leave it in the cage while the guys from the National Zoo drive cross-town. That's "controlling" it? Leaving it the hell alone?

Good luck arguing that case Mr. District Attorney. Split enough hairs, you might make a nit-picking argument for an arrest, but on the totality of the situation, the officers exercised wise discretion by not making an arrest in a severely lacking and ultimately unwinnable case.

On a separate note: I find it amusing that the pro-gun crowd is so mad at the dude for doing essentially nothing that they want him punished. It's bizarre.
 
2012-08-09 01:54:12 PM  

Spade: Or you could just hunt with a semiautomatic and only put a 5 round magazine in. I know plenty of folks that own "hunting magazines" for their semiautomatics. In some places it's perfectly fine to take a 30 round magazine and just stick a wooden dowel in it that plugs it to 5 rounds. When you're done, you take the dowel out and your mag is back to 30.


Which I've done. I have a piece of wood I whittled that fits in an SKS magazine and limits it to 5 rounds. I also still have a couple of Garand en-bloc clips that were cut down to 5 rounds, for hunting use back when I owned an M-1.

/Haven't taken a modern gun hunting in 10 years.
 
2012-08-09 01:55:13 PM  

mbillips: notatrollorami: Barfmaker: dittybopper: a decent social rifle

Social rifle?

I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either? Assault is an action, a felony, an intent, any number of things but not a descriptor of a type of a class of weapon. If I go pick up one of the pavestones in my front garden and smash my next door neighbor with it it has become an assault stone, but it wasn't beforehand. If I take a Light Antitank Weapon and stick in in an elephants vagina it has become a dildo. But neither was until utilized as such.

Any 100 year old bolt action .22 can become an assault rifle. I don't know, it's just weird.

Call it a semiautomatic .762 rifle.

Go be lazy somewhere else.


Lazy about what jackhole? It's an inappropriate use of verbiage regardless of your politics. Screw off.
 
2012-08-09 01:56:12 PM  

Deucednuisance: YixilTesiphon: Deucednuisance: addy deleted in case the mods decide that wasn't a good idea

So...are you the dude with all the cars or the house behind that guy?

I'm the neighbor. Dude with cars died last month, his widow is getting rid of all of them. So if anyone's in the market for a late 60s T-bird (cool!) or mid-70s El Dorado (no accounting for taste, it's what the guy collected) drop me a line, she's letting them go cheap. Then again, they've been sitting in the driveway out in the elements for a long time, they are definitely "project" cars.

Amos Quito: So, has this "musician" been arrested by the DC cops for possession of a firearm, yet?

Headdesk.

Spade: Yup.

Nope.

Let's play a game, shall we?

Everybody voicing an opinion on this matter that has a J.D or better, raise your hand.

Including me, so far, I count one.



Was a lack of sense of humor and sense for sarcasm a prerequisite for the J.D., or did yours simply atrophy in the process?
 
2012-08-09 01:56:20 PM  
He sounds like a jackass.

Personally, I would be tempted to keep it. OTOH IANAGE but I think it might be problematic to have the gun in your home with no permit, and it might be difficult to get a permit for a gun you already have in your home. But I dunno. Bottom line: he's a jackass.
 
2012-08-09 01:56:50 PM  
So he orders a #300 TV and gets sent a $1500 SIG716 semiautomatic rifle? Lucky bastard!
 
2012-08-09 01:57:23 PM  

Spade: mbillips: Spade: mbillips: Spade: Fish in a Barrel: Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?


He controlled and possessed the firearm.

If he had no intent to do so, why did he posses it for several hours before calling the cops. I could possibly see your argument if he did it right away, but he did not.


Eh, you would probably have to put that argument in front of a jury, if the cops were stupid/jerkish enough to have arrested the guy. But he's so obviously not a gun haver, that the cops made a reasonable call to say there's not sufficient probable cause to charge him. Cops can do that. The people they actually charge with possession are almost always obvious gun havers, like the idiots who try to drop off their CCW pistols at the Capitol security desk.
 
2012-08-09 01:57:31 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Or you could, you know, call the gun company that shipped it and ask them to send you a return label.


You could - but now you've got paperwork to fill out to send a firearm through UPS. Fark that. I hate paperwork.

But this brings up an interesting question... Since there was no criminal intent in receiving the firearm he was not arrested - finally some cops using common sense.

What happens if you UPS your enemy a poorly wrapped brick of weed and the cops intercept it to set up a "controlled delivery" then arrest the guy? In such a case how could you prove it was not intended for you?
 
2012-08-09 01:58:08 PM  

mbillips: It's legal to hunt with that magazine? A lot of states limit you to five rounds, and three in a shotgun.


Most states only limit you to 5 rounds for a semi-automatic firearm. Most don't have a limit for manually operated rifles (lever action, bolt action, pump action). Good thing, too, because a typical Model 94 Winchester in .30-30 holds 7 rounds, and in a caliber like .45 LC or .44 Magnum (both good short range deer rounds) can hold as many as 13 rounds.
 
2012-08-09 01:58:18 PM  

Heliodorus: Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.

Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.


The best part about this is that his children are more likely to die from the TV he didn't receive, than the gun he did receive.
 
2012-08-09 01:58:56 PM  

dittybopper: notatrollorami: I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either?

The term was invented by Adolf Hitler, in a military context.


I very much appreciate your much more polite rebutall of my statement and understand the point you're making. My point was different and about the inappropriateness of the descriptor. I guess it's too politicized a subject to turn into a semantic discussion. And I was trying to be a bit funny.

Wrong place, wrong time I guess.

C'est la vie. Enjoy the gun thread.
 
2012-08-09 01:59:40 PM  

mbillips: It's legal to hunt with that magazine? A lot of states limit you to five rounds, and three in a shotgun.


My state had limited you to 5 rounds in a semi-auto centerfire rifle, but since this is a bolt action the limitation didn't apply. Now though, all the state level magazine restriction have been lifted.

The only one remaining is the federal restriction limiting shotguns used to hunt migratory birds to 3 rounds (two in the magazine plus one in the chamber).
 
2012-08-09 02:00:44 PM  

notatrollorami: mbillips: notatrollorami: Barfmaker: dittybopper: a decent social rifle

Social rifle?

I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either? Assault is an action, a felony, an intent, any number of things but not a descriptor of a type of a class of weapon. If I go pick up one of the pavestones in my front garden and smash my next door neighbor with it it has become an assault stone, but it wasn't beforehand. If I take a Light Antitank Weapon and stick in in an elephants vagina it has become a dildo. But neither was until utilized as such.

Any 100 year old bolt action .22 can become an assault rifle. I don't know, it's just weird.

Call it a semiautomatic .762 rifle.

Go be lazy somewhere else.

Lazy about what jackhole? It's an inappropriate use of verbiage regardless of your politics. Screw off.


No. No, it isn't. Assault rifle is a legitimate term for a particular type of military firearm, as you would have seen at the link. Adolph Hitler coined the term, and it's been in use pretty much ever since. Wondering about what it could possibly mean, and bringing up completely ludicrous examples of what your madeup definition would fit is just trolling.
 
2012-08-09 02:02:06 PM  

notatrollorami: dittybopper: notatrollorami: I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either?

The term was invented by Adolf Hitler, in a military context.

I very much appreciate your much more polite rebutall of my statement and understand the point you're making. My point was different and about the inappropriateness of the descriptor. I guess it's too politicized a subject to turn into a semantic discussion. And I was trying to be a bit funny.

Wrong place, wrong time I guess.

C'est la vie. Enjoy the gun thread.


And now reading the latter portion of the thread I see it has become a deadly serious thing. No levity allowed. I'll just go about my business.
 
2012-08-09 02:02:18 PM  

JeffreyScott: So he orders a #300 TV and gets sent a $1500 SIG716 semiautomatic rifle? Lucky bastard!


300 lb TV that's heaveh

i.i.com.com
 
2012-08-09 02:03:05 PM  

dittybopper: mbillips: It's legal to hunt with that magazine? A lot of states limit you to five rounds, and three in a shotgun.

Most states only limit you to 5 rounds for a semi-automatic firearm. Most don't have a limit for manually operated rifles (lever action, bolt action, pump action). Good thing, too, because a typical Model 94 Winchester in .30-30 holds 7 rounds, and in a caliber like .45 LC or .44 Magnum (both good short range deer rounds) can hold as many as 13 rounds.


I guess I'm thinking of duck hunting. Capacity in a pump shotgun is limited to three with a plug, and if you don't have it in there, the rangers can give you a ticket. My Remington 870 has a five-round capacity without the limiting plug, and I took it out because I don't hunt.
 
2012-08-09 02:04:22 PM  

notatrollorami: dittybopper: notatrollorami: I agree that's weird, but WTF is with "assault rifle" either?

The term was invented by Adolf Hitler, in a military context.

I very much appreciate your much more polite rebutall of my statement and understand the point you're making. My point was different and about the inappropriateness of the descriptor. I guess it's too politicized a subject to turn into a semantic discussion. And I was trying to be a bit funny.

Wrong place, wrong time I guess.

C'est la vie. Enjoy the gun thread.


I always do...

But on your point, "social rifle" is a euphemism, and kind of a half-snide recognition that it's purpose is to shoot people. I would just point out that shooting people isn't always wrong. It's *USUALLY* wrong, and something to be discouraged generally, but there are rare times when it's necessary, and when it is necessary, you want to have the best tool available for the job.
 
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