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2012-08-09 12:36:30 PM

andyofne:
These people sound like colossal douchebags. It's an empty gun.

But good thing they did this: " (and made another call, for good measure, bringing the matter to the attention of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence)"... I'm not sure WHY they felt that was necessary as no actual violence occurred.

someone made a shipping error that resulted in nothing happening.



Sounds like someone at UPS wanted a TV and put the label on another box to hide the theft. Probably would have gotten away with it, but now the ATF is going to get involved and it will get messy.
 
2012-08-09 12:37:39 PM

vpb: TheYeti: Everyone drink every time someone in the media misuses "assault rifle."

OK, but they didn't misuse it. The Sig 716 is an assault rifle.


It has some form of burst mode then?
 
2012-08-09 12:38:38 PM
If I see the term "assault weapon" one more time, I'll drive to the person who was quoted, smack them in the face with a glove, and say "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!".

Seriously. One of the best examples of a government cooking up terms to scare people into giving up their rights. And the educated elite in cities like DC hold up its use as something to be condoned. Good lord. He and his friends sound like a bunch of douche bags. Grow a pair, Nancy; it's harmless until you use it in an unsafe manner.

As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.
 
2012-08-09 12:40:00 PM

Marine1: If I see the term "assault weapon" one more time, I'll drive to the person who was quoted, smack them in the face with a glove, and say "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!".


midnightbuzz.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-09 12:40:02 PM

Marine1: If I see the term "assault weapon" one more time, I'll drive to the person who was quoted, smack them in the face with a glove, and say "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!".

Seriously. One of the best examples of a government cooking up terms to scare people into giving up their rights. And the educated elite in cities like DC hold up its use as something to be condoned. Good lord. He and his friends sound like a bunch of douche bags. Grow a pair, Nancy; it's harmless until you use it in an unsafe manner.

As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.


Unless you're an FFL holder, which he clearly is not.
 
2012-08-09 12:40:20 PM

CujoQuarrel: vpb: TheYeti: Everyone drink every time someone in the media misuses "assault rifle."

OK, but they didn't misuse it. The Sig 716 is an assault rifle.

It has some form of burst mode then?


Nope. None. Semi-auto only.

/BUT IT LOOKS SCARY!!!1!111ELEVENTY!
 
2012-08-09 12:40:31 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Amazon doesn't sell guns. This sounds like a UPS screw-up that is only tangentially related to Amazon.


fred_chan: So UPS farked up but everyone acts like Amazon accidentally shipped him a gun? Do they even sell guns? And the article makes it pretty clear that the gun was shipped by a gun store that was not Amazon.


How is it a UPS farkup when the article says

But the box, which was addressed to him, seemed much too small.

A shipping label on the box bore the gun store's name and address. A second label, with Horvitz's name and address, also had been affixed to the box.


Sounds like UPS delivered a box to the address that was on the outside of the box, with no knowledge of what was inside.
 
2012-08-09 12:40:40 PM
I call bullshiat.

A setup so they can persuade reasons why internet gun buying needs to be stopped.

FALSE FLAG
 
2012-08-09 12:41:17 PM

TheYeti: Everyone drink every time someone in the media misuses "assault rifle."


RTFA. The only use of "assault" is a direct quote from the hipster pussy who ordered the TV, in reference to banning assault weapons. Unless they changed the story/hed after subby whined about it. The story now calls it a "a tactical military-style SIG716 semiautomatic rifle," and the headline just says "gun."
 
2012-08-09 12:41:21 PM

andyofne: Apok451: How did this even happen? Not like you can just order a Sig from Amazon.


/Amazon doesn't mess up my orders like that.
//Best mess up I got from them was a free pair of crappy earphones.

It was handled through a 3rd party, amazon itself wasn't involved.


I know, but still, why can't one of my online orders get messed up and I get a random cool assault rifle? It would be perfectly safe with me. I would love it and hug it and call it Vera. She will be my very favorite.

/Just don't make her mad. She has a hell of a temper.
 
2012-08-09 12:41:28 PM

andyofne: Lsherm: The group enjoyed a potluck dinner with a North African and Mediterranean theme - the evening's conversation enlivened by the surprise parcel. Horvitz, his wife and their friends stared at the gun, regarding it as a museum piece from an exotic culture.

These people sound like colossal douchebags. It's an empty gun.

But good thing they did this: " (and made another call, for good measure, bringing the matter to the attention of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence)"... I'm not sure WHY they felt that was necessary as no actual violence occurred.

someone made a shipping error that resulted in nothing happening.


yeah, listened to this story on NPR. and I was like, He called the police and the Brady campaign about the rife and called the police too, but did he call the company he ordered the TV from and schedule a return?

Agreeing with the "what a pussy" posters in the thread.

Dude, laugh it off and go to UPS to ship it back. BFD
 
2012-08-09 12:41:30 PM

andyofne: UPS delivered to the address on the box, right?


Then the person who shipped it out farked up real good. You can't just ship rifles willy-nilly. Except for specific cases not relevant here, they must be shipped to a Federal Fireams License (FFL) holder, and the address on the box has to match the address on the FFL. The originator needs to have a copy of that FFL before shipping out the weapon. The originating shipper should be in some hot water from the BATFE for a screw-up like this.
 
2012-08-09 12:41:32 PM

minoridiot: For less than $400, he got a massively good deal on the rifle.


Looks like they're about $1800 to $2200, depending on the specific model and options.
 
2012-08-09 12:42:02 PM
HE'S A MUSICIAN. WHY IS HE BUYING A 39 INCH TV. AND WHY IS HE NOT MAKING MUSIC 24/7
 
2012-08-09 12:42:12 PM

Dimensio: For what reason has Mr. Horvitz not yet been arrested for unlawful possession of an "assault weapon" in the District of Columbia?


Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it? And he reported it the cops indicating his lack of intent to "possess" it?

I mean, if your cat slips out a window and wanders into my yard, and I take it into my house, so I can be sure that you get it back when you get home from work, do I "possess" your cat?

What is it about guns that makes you throw your usual level-headedness right out the window, dude?
 
2012-08-09 12:42:43 PM
Maybe it is a TV made to look like a gun! Did you ever think about THAT?!

My parents are in the market for a TV, and my dad has a nice little arsenal, but I don't think he has a SIG. Maybe I should point him to this. It looks like it would be fun to shoot... Time to order something!

/Too bad it will never happen again :(
//Maybe
 
2012-08-09 12:43:43 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: HE'S A MUSICIAN. WHY IS HE BUYING A 39 INCH TV. AND WHY IS HE NOT MAKING MUSIC 24/7


because you downloaded all his tunes without paying and now he's on welfare with nothing to eat and nothing to do.
 
2012-08-09 12:44:41 PM
What a farking drama queen.
 
2012-08-09 12:44:58 PM
North African and Mediterranean cuisine....so whats that.... a large helping of poverty and a bowl of sand?


I like how the first thing the guy does, who is afraid of guns and is about to call the Brady Center, is put his finger on the trigger.

More proof that the gun grabbers are a danger to people when around firearms.
 
2012-08-09 12:45:16 PM

Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.


Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.
 
2012-08-09 12:45:21 PM
'Social rifle' would be a good name for a band, whatever the hell it means.
 
2012-08-09 12:45:26 PM

Marine1: As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.


FFL holders can. And any individual can ship a weapon to someone with an FFL.
 
2012-08-09 12:45:38 PM

Sticky Hands: Jon iz teh kewl: HE'S A MUSICIAN. WHY IS HE BUYING A 39 INCH TV. AND WHY IS HE NOT MAKING MUSIC 24/7

because you downloaded all his tunes without paying and now he's on welfare with nothing to eat and nothing to do.


oh i paid. i'm on unemployment now cause of him
 
2012-08-09 12:45:51 PM

Deucednuisance: Umm, because it's not his gun, therefore he didn't "possess" it?


"Possess" is not the same as "own." He is indeed in possession of the gun.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:06 PM

Heliodorus: Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.

Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.


I'll try to find it...
 
2012-08-09 12:46:08 PM
A shipping label on the box bore the gun store's name and address. A second label, with Horvitz's name and address, also had been affixed to the box. Exactly who made the mistake remains unclear, as do the whereabouts of Horvitz's TV set.


Well, obviously during transport the label fell off the tv box and landed on the rifle box and got stuck there. Entirely by accident of course.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:22 PM
Nobody was in any danger at any point during this. Stupid scare story.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:45 PM

Barfmaker: dittybopper: a decent social rifle

Social rifle?


I prefer the term 'Zombie rifle'. People get less freaked out about it.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:51 PM

mbillips: The only use of "assault" is a direct quote from the hipster pussy who ordered the TV, in reference to banning assault weapons.


Sigh.

"[The Police] were almost as confused as me, to tell you the truth. They themselves identified the weapon as an assault rifle when they saw it and said, 'Yeah, you can't keep this,'" says Horvitz.

Marine1: As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.


Sigh.

It's perfectly legal to ship rifles through UPS, as long as certain conditions are met, like receiver having a license.

Reading is FUN-damental!
 
2012-08-09 12:47:44 PM

Marine1: As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.


Oh, and I forgot about this part, but if you ship your weapon to someone like Grayguns to have work done on it, they can ship it back to you even if you don't have an FFL. So yes, you can get weapons through the mail.
 
2012-08-09 12:48:27 PM

Fish in a Barrel: possession


9/10ths!!!!
 
2012-08-09 12:48:34 PM
Good thing he jumped back as he touched it. There's just no way of knowing what will trigger an assault rifle like that to fire.
 
2012-08-09 12:48:51 PM
Though it is troubling to hear of a mistaken delivery like this one, you can take comfort in the fact you're much more likely to get killed by someone who ordered the gun on purpose.
 
2012-08-09 12:49:14 PM

Heliodorus: Is there a archived copy of this?


go to WAMU.org
 
2012-08-09 12:49:26 PM

Strategeryz0r: Marine1: If I see the term "assault weapon" one more time, I'll drive to the person who was quoted, smack them in the face with a glove, and say "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!".

Seriously. One of the best examples of a government cooking up terms to scare people into giving up their rights. And the educated elite in cities like DC hold up its use as something to be condoned. Good lord. He and his friends sound like a bunch of douche bags. Grow a pair, Nancy; it's harmless until you use it in an unsafe manner.

As for that thing being shipped, someone farked up, because you can't get weapons through mail order.

Unless you're an FFL holder, which he clearly is not.


Or it's pre-1898. When I had a C&R, I had several post-1898, listed firearms shipped directly to me. You can buy something just as lethal as Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano, right off the internets, that will shoot modern ammo, and they can ship directly to you. I remember reading a classified in Shotgun News that was bragging that you could buy their 19th-century bolt action magazine rifles that had been updated to modern 7mm, no paperwork required.
 
2012-08-09 12:50:09 PM
Huh. Normally when you get the wrong order, you get to keep it.
 
2012-08-09 12:50:19 PM
A friend and I once stopped by the local sporting good store to buy a few thousand rounds of .22 ammo. We were going to go target shooting and they had a sale, 20 bucks for the 1000 or something like that. We get to the counter and some lady customer that was standing at it looked at us as if we were preparing to stage WWIII. Yeah some people....
 
2012-08-09 12:51:22 PM
So while everyone looks at the scary gun the real crook is watching a big screen tv.

/unwitting diversionary tactic
 
2012-08-09 12:51:35 PM

andyofne: fred_chan: So UPS farked up but everyone acts like Amazon accidentally shipped him a gun? Do they even sell guns? And the article makes it pretty clear that the gun was shipped by a gun store that was not Amazon.

UPS delivered to the address on the box, right?

FTA: "But the box, which was addressed to him, seemed much too small."


The UPS mixup was in taking a label that fell off of one and putting it on another. The two shipments were not from the same seller, and did not pass through an Amazon fulfillment center, so the only place for it to have been mislabeled would have been with UPS.
 
2012-08-09 12:51:40 PM

YixilTesiphon: Nobody was in any danger at any point during this.


He could have dropped it on his foot...
 
2012-08-09 12:52:17 PM

Heliodorus: Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.

Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.


Here we go!

There's a little play link to listen to the original.

"My wife is pregnant with twins so that provided an extra shock to have a gun sitting in our kitchen."

A disassembled, unloaded gun. You farking retarded pussy.
 
2012-08-09 12:52:41 PM

dittybopper: Another appropriate term would have been "assault weapon", which is generally defined as any gun with a vaguely military appearance.


Other guns with a vaguely military appearance:

www.cherrys.com

www.hackman-adams.com

upload.wikimedia.org

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

www.uberti.com

www.cowgirlartbynance.com

armyhistoryjournal.com

www.weapon-storage.com

The number of people who have no idea that the idea of differentiating between 'civilian' and 'military' small arms is basically a product of post WW2 political thinking is startling. Classically they're the same thing.
 
2012-08-09 12:52:43 PM
Which one of you farkers posted this in the comments at the end of TFA?

"I'm impressed by the sheer volume of pretentious snobbery crammed into these few lines of text. Excellent job, Seth Horvitz and whoever on the Post serves as your cultural impact coordinator (calling the Brady Campaign for some reason was a nice touch, but you oddly omitted what I can only assume was your tearful, high-pitched call to the Post). But I also find it unlikely that you simply sat around eating comfortably and gazing at each other through your hipster glasses with the gun just sitting there; odds are you spent most of the evening on the other side of the room in a pillow fort just in case it leapt off the table and tried to kill everyone there all by itself, like guns do all the time."
 
2012-08-09 12:52:53 PM

vpb: TheYeti: Everyone drink every time someone in the media misuses "assault rifle."

OK, but they didn't misuse it. The Sig 716 is an assault rifle.




Any rifle can be an "assault rifle".... if you "assault" with it.

Otherwise it's just a rifle.

(Ugly guns can assault too. It's just a matter of who happens to be using it.)
 
2012-08-09 12:53:44 PM

stonicus: YixilTesiphon: Nobody was in any danger at any point during this.

He could have dropped it on his foot...


Somebody could have used it as a blunt object, I guess.
 
2012-08-09 12:53:56 PM

Heliodorus: Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.

Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.


Carn isn't kidding. I think he put more people in harms way by causing so many intelligent people on the beltway to roll their eyes simultaneously when they heard him talk about the threat to the unborn children in the bldg.

It was the first time I literally said "WTF is this shiat?" After hearing it on NPR.
 
2012-08-09 12:55:15 PM

Fish in a Barrel: andyofne: UPS delivered to the address on the box, right?

Then the person who shipped it out farked up real good. You can't just ship rifles willy-nilly. Except for specific cases not relevant here, they must be shipped to a Federal Fireams License (FFL) holder, and the address on the box has to match the address on the FFL. The originator needs to have a copy of that FFL before shipping out the weapon. The originating shipper should be in some hot water from the BATFE for a screw-up like this.


From the article:

A shipping label on the box bore the gun store's name and address. A second label, with Horvitz's name and address, also had been affixed to the box. Exactly who made the mistake remains unclear, as do the whereabouts of Horvitz's TV set.


While I suspect that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will likely attempt to criminally charge the original sender of the rifle they will do so because the Bureau is both incompetent and corrupt, and not because the sender erred.
 
2012-08-09 12:55:43 PM

MycroftHolmes: The UPS mixup was in taking a label that fell off of one and putting it on another. The two shipments were not from the same seller, and did not pass through an Amazon fulfillment center, so the only place for it to have been mislabeled would have been with UPS.



Am I really the only one who sees that someone in the handling chain wanted to steal the tv so they took the label off the box and put it on the other unknown random box?

/the guys at UPS do, I'm sure
//never mind at the end of the day someone would have a large unaddressed box on their hands.
///and the driver never noticed the two labels? stoner.
 
2012-08-09 12:56:40 PM

Carn: Heliodorus: Carn: This was on NPR yesterday evening. When I heard the guy talk about it all I could think was "what a pussy". He was whining about how he had small kids and oh dear jesus what an outrage that he had a weapon in the hope. Apparently he isn't aware of the concept of ammunition. His kitchen knives are a far bigger danger to his kids than an unloaded gun.

Is there a archived copy of this? Whining I believe, but that sounds like birther levels of simultaneous stupidity and outrage.

Here we go!

There's a little play link to listen to the original.

"My wife is pregnant with twins so that provided an extra shock to have a gun sitting in our kitchen."

A disassembled, unloaded gun. You farking retarded pussy.




Well YEAH.... it could have jumped out of the box, assembled itself, then chased them around the room threatening to shoot out their kneecaps.

Anyone who has ever uttered the words "I am afraid of guns" should take just one class at a local shooting range. Then, if they are still feeling their irrational fears, they don't ever have to touch a gun again.
 
2012-08-09 12:57:22 PM

scruffy1: A friend and I once stopped by the local sporting good store to buy a few thousand rounds of .22 ammo. We were going to go target shooting and they had a sale, 20 bucks for the 1000 or something like that. We get to the counter and some lady customer that was standing at it looked at us as if we were preparing to stage WWIII. Yeah some people....


If that had happened in Texas, the lady customer would only have been questioning your taste in ammo.
 
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