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2012-08-09 09:32:38 AM  
You mean, "meter," right?

And it's spelled COLOR. Nobody with more than 2 brain cells to rub together would ever pronounce it "kull-OWER."

Also, consider yourselves lucky to even HAVE bicycle lanes. Why, in my day, we had just dirt roads. And they were busy major thoroughfares. With steep hills. BOTH WAYS
 
2012-08-09 09:40:02 AM  
a four-meter cycle? What is that, a penny-farthing on steroids?

images.suite101.com
 
2012-08-09 09:41:14 AM  
Is every rag in the UK a tabloid? They took a complete non-story and made it into an outrage. "Oh my god, here is a small part of a much larger, unfinished bike path! The nerve of the idiots who have done this to us!"
 
2012-08-09 09:42:29 AM  

xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

And it's spelled COLOR. Nobody with more than 2 brain cells to rub together would ever pronounce it "kull-OWER."

Also, consider yourselves lucky to even HAVE bicycle lanes. Why, in my day, we had just dirt roads. And they were busy major thoroughfares. With steep hills. BOTH WAYS


You are a total ass. Really.
 
2012-08-09 09:47:04 AM  

xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?


Unless you're talking about this, then no.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.
 
2012-08-09 09:49:35 AM  
Meanwhile in Great Britain...

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2012-08-09 09:55:58 AM  
Unnews is the best news. The "bike lane" is only for demonstration purposes. The subdivision is still under construction. Things must be very boring in Kent these days.
 
2012-08-09 09:59:24 AM  

THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.


Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?
 
2012-08-09 10:04:57 AM  

pivazena: Fancy a draught beer?


rubygame.org
 
2012-08-09 10:21:43 AM  

THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it.


No, that's not true at all. It's "meter" (or some close variation) in Scandinavian, most Germanic and some Slavic languages. And there are lots of other variants, like "metru" in Czech, "metara" in Croatian and "metrov" in Slovenian.

There's absoluty nothing wrong with Americans spelling it "meter", just because most English speaking countries adopted a francophone spelling,
 
2012-08-09 10:23:15 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-08-09 10:25:06 AM  

pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?


Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?
 
2012-08-09 10:30:44 AM  
metre meter

/fixed
//feeling much better
 
2012-08-09 10:38:47 AM  

THX 1138: pivazena: Fancy a draught beer?

[rubygame.org image 64x64]


This thread has potential.
 
2012-08-09 10:39:23 AM  

Dansker: pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?

Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?


I can do that...but first, I have to go change the tyres on my automobile.
 
2012-08-09 10:55:58 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
No, this is Kent
 
2012-08-09 10:59:18 AM  

xanadian: Dansker: pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?

Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?

I can do that...but first, I have to go change the tyres on my automobile.


New tyres? Did you realise you could pick them out in a catalogue?
 
2012-08-09 11:00:27 AM  

JackieRabbit: Unnews is the best news. The "bike lane" is only for demonstration purposes. The subdivision is still under construction. Things must be very boring in Kent these days.


Cyclists aren't whinging about this because nothing else is going on in Kent. They're whinging about this because they're cyclists.

To them, it is an outrageous injustice for a bicycle route to be too small even if it's still in the process of being painted. To delay the bicycle path to build 1%er blight like houses and roads is sacrilegious and insufficiently deferential to the one truly ethical form of transportation.
 
2012-08-09 11:04:48 AM  

pivazena: xanadian: Dansker: pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?

Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?

I can do that...but first, I have to go change the tyres on my automobile.

New tyres? Did you realise you could pick them out in a catalogue?


Never mind the tyres, how many beers can he have in the boot?
 
2012-08-09 11:07:47 AM  
So the story's about a douchebag bicyclist taking any opportunity to complain.

What's the news?
 
2012-08-09 11:53:38 AM  
It's called a "hint". The article even goes so far as to mention the presence of "traffic-calming measures just up the road. "Translation: take your self-entitled, slow, dangerous method of transportation to a side-street, so the normal people who have somewhere to be don't eventually have to end up looking down at your battered, bloody corpse in horror, simply because you think you belong on the same roads as vehicles weighing thousands of pounds more, traveling much faster, and capable of squashing you like a bug. Just in case you think I'm trolling, I certainly concede the point: there is a time and place for bicyclists, but it's not on the main thoroughfares. At best, you move at the speed of a galloping horse. Coincidentally, they don't belong in the middle of traffic either.
 
2012-08-09 12:29:52 PM  
www.wsdot.wa.gov

My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.
 
2012-08-09 12:33:35 PM  

HAMMERTOE: It's called a "hint". The article even goes so far as to mention the presence of "traffic-calming measures just up the road. "Translation: take your self-entitled, slow, dangerous method of transportation to a side-street, so the normal people who have somewhere to be don't eventually have to end up looking down at your battered, bloody corpse in horror, simply because you think you belong on the same roads as vehicles weighing thousands of pounds more, traveling much faster, and capable of squashing you like a bug. Just in case you think I'm trolling, I certainly concede the point: there is a time and place for bicyclists, but it's not on the main thoroughfares. At best, you move at the speed of a galloping horse. Coincidentally, they don't belong in the middle of traffic either.


If you want to go fast, stay on the motorway.
 
2012-08-09 12:50:46 PM  

Dansker: pivazena: xanadian: Dansker: pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?

Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?

I can do that...but first, I have to go change the tyres on my automobile.

New tyres? Did you realise you could pick them out in a catalogue?

Never mind the tyres, how many beers can he have in the boot?


what about going to the
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/13/67/9c/santa-fe-s a loon-goldfield.jpg

in your
www.mclellansautomotive.com
 
2012-08-09 12:53:00 PM  

inner ted: Dansker: pivazena: xanadian: Dansker: pivazena: THX 1138: xanadian: You mean, "meter," right?

Unless you're talking about this, then no.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Sorry dude, but the metric system spells it metre, as does everyone in every country that uses it. Just because it'd be easier to spell something a different way doesn't mean it's correct.

Gentlemen, no need to fight. Let's settle this over a pint. Fancy a draught beer?

Can you make it half a litre instead of a pint?

I can do that...but first, I have to go change the tyres on my automobile.

New tyres? Did you realise you could pick them out in a catalogue?

Never mind the tyres, how many beers can he have in the boot?

what about going to the
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/13/67/9c/santa-fe-s a loon-goldfield.jpg

in your
[www.mclellansautomotive.com image 484x360]


dam you fark!! my witty comparison of languages as illustrated in pictures is foiled by my huge photo file.

/pic was of a western saloon
//get it?
 
2012-08-09 01:01:33 PM  

HAMMERTOE: It's called a "hint". The article even goes so far as to mention the presence of "traffic-calming measures just up the road. "Translation: take your self-entitled, slow, dangerous method of transportation to a side-street, so the normal people who have somewhere to be don't eventually have to end up looking down at your battered, bloody corpse in horror, simply because you think you belong on the same roads as vehicles weighing thousands of pounds more, traveling much faster, and capable of squashing you like a bug. Just in case you think I'm trolling, I certainly concede the point: there is a time and place for bicyclists, but it's not on the main thoroughfares. At best, you move at the speed of a galloping horse. Coincidentally, they don't belong in the middle of traffic either.


If you can't handle sharing the road with slower moving vehicles, then you are not skilled enough to operate an automobile, please stop driving before you kill someone.

/Yes I know it's a troll
 
2012-08-09 01:35:29 PM  

MythDragon: My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.


Jesus, I hope this isn't serious.
 
2012-08-09 02:25:55 PM  

MythDragon: [www.wsdot.wa.gov image 509x382]

My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.


The pedestrians and the police* must LOVE you.

/*some municipalities don't have laws requiring cyclists to travel with traffic
 
2012-08-09 02:56:30 PM  

MythDragon: [www.wsdot.wa.gov image 509x382]

My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.


Then in most places, you are breaking the law. Bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks. Sidewalks are for pedestrians and riding a bike on them is a hazard. A bike is considered a vehicle and must be operated on the street. It is also subject to the same laws as motorized vehicles.
 
2012-08-09 03:08:30 PM  
As I don't live in a crowded shiat-hole like New York, there are very few pedestrians where I ride. If there are any, I slow down enough to pass them safely.
 
2012-08-09 05:22:20 PM  

JackieRabbit: Bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks. Sidewalks are for pedestrians and riding a bike on them is a hazard. A bike is considered a vehicle and must be operated on the street. It is also subject to the same laws as motorized vehicles.


Maybe in places like Boston or Brooklyn. In most of the country, a bike is a toy and and nobody talks about where they "must be operated." Out here, kids ride bikes in the park, on the sidewalk, and through the grass, and nobody is endangered by this very serious vehicle that must be taken very seriously.

I used to live on a one-way street, and the neighbor's kid would ride her bike in a big circle in front of her house. I used to chuckle at the thought that, according to sanctimonious bike activists, she shouldn't be allowed to ride in a circle, but must instead ride in one direction and then walk her bike back, or else go around the block in order to obey the same laws as cars.
 
2012-08-09 05:30:01 PM  

Snow-Dog: If you can't handle sharing the road with slower moving vehicles, then you are not skilled enough to operate an automobile, please stop driving before you kill someone.


Drivers are supposed to be skilled enough, and attentive enough, to stop in time if there is an obstruction in the road.

That doesn't mean that people should be standing in the street reading a book, however.

The fact that drivers must safely handle slow-moving vehicles doesn't mean that slow-moving vehicles belong in a busy traffic lane.
 
2012-08-09 05:31:53 PM  

MythDragon: [www.wsdot.wa.gov image 509x382]

My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.


I knew you'd catch hell for that but I actually agree with you. But only on the condition that it's a somewhat small town where most people will drive any distance greater than half a block.

Why would I ride in the street when I can see there isn't a pedestrian on the sidewalk for at least half a mile? I was told growing up to not play in the street.
 
2012-08-09 06:01:14 PM  

underwhere: MythDragon: [www.wsdot.wa.gov image 509x382]

My bike lane as a kid. I stayed the fark out of the road, because that's where the cars are.
On the few occasions where I do still ride a bike, I keep it on the sidewalk.

I knew you'd catch hell for that but I actually agree with you. But only on the condition that it's a somewhat small town where most people will drive any distance greater than half a block.

Why would I ride in the street when I can see there isn't a pedestrian on the sidewalk for at least half a mile? I was told growing up to not play in the street.


Just out of sheer curiosity: Why do you consider riding a bicycle "playing"?
 
2012-08-09 06:34:15 PM  

Xcott: Snow-Dog: If you can't handle sharing the road with slower moving vehicles, then you are not skilled enough to operate an automobile, please stop driving before you kill someone.

Drivers are supposed to be skilled enough, and attentive enough, to stop in time if there is an obstruction in the road.

That doesn't mean that people should be standing in the street reading a book, however.

The fact that drivers must safely handle slow-moving vehicles doesn't mean that slow-moving vehicles belong in a busy traffic lane.


Again, if you don't want to deal with slow moving vehicles, stay on the freeway. Rural roads and city streets often have slower or stationary objects in the roadway. Welcome to life.
 
2012-08-09 07:03:18 PM  

Xcott: Snow-Dog: If you can't handle sharing the road with slower moving vehicles, then you are not skilled enough to operate an automobile, please stop driving before you kill someone.

Drivers are supposed to be skilled enough, and attentive enough, to stop in time if there is an obstruction in the road.

That doesn't mean that people should be standing in the street reading a book, however.

The fact that drivers must safely handle slow-moving vehicles doesn't mean that slow-moving vehicles belong in a busy traffic lane.


If the slow moving vehicle is legally allowed on the road per your state's vehicle code (bicycles are legally allowed use of the road in every state I've lived in) then that's exactly what it means. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be driving an automobile.
 
2012-08-09 07:33:39 PM  

HAMMERTOE: It's called a "hint". The article even goes so far as to mention the presence of "traffic-calming measures just up the road. "Translation: take your self-entitled, slow, dangerous method of transportation to a side-street, so the normal people who have somewhere to be don't eventually have to end up looking down at your battered, bloody corpse in horror, simply because you think you belong on the same roads as vehicles weighing thousands of pounds more, traveling much faster, and capable of squashing you like a bug. Just in case you think I'm trolling, I certainly concede the point: there is a time and place for bicyclists, but it's not on the main thoroughfares. At best, you move at the speed of a galloping horse. Coincidentally, they don't belong in the middle of traffic either.


i.qkme.me

Maybe you need a pint.
 
2012-08-09 09:54:24 PM  

Dansker: underwhere: Why would I ride in the street when I can see there isn't a pedestrian on the sidewalk for at least half a mile? I was told growing up to not play in the street.

Just out of sheer curiosity: Why do you consider riding a bicycle "playing"?


Because a whole corner of the Toys-R-Us is bikes, and virtually everyone learned to ride a bike as a child, for fun.

If grown-ups occasionally buy adult-sized bikes and use them for non-play activities, that's awesome; however, they must accept that bikes are also fun playthings for kids, and will be regarded as such. The rest of us are not going to pretend this isn't true so that cyclists can feel more serious about themselves.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:03 PM  

Xcott: Dansker: underwhere: Why would I ride in the street when I can see there isn't a pedestrian on the sidewalk for at least half a mile? I was told growing up to not play in the street.

Just out of sheer curiosity: Why do you consider riding a bicycle "playing"?

Because a whole corner of the Toys-R-Us is bikes, and virtually everyone learned to ride a bike as a child, for fun.

If grown-ups occasionally buy adult-sized bikes and use them for non-play activities, that's awesome; however, they must accept that bikes are also fun playthings for kids, and will be regarded as such. The rest of us are not going to pretend this isn't true so that cyclists can feel more serious about themselves.


9/10

I'd give you a perfect score, but avid cyclists are among the easiest on the Internets to troll.

/is an avid cyclist
 
2012-08-10 01:12:37 AM  

Xcott: Because a whole corner of the Toys-R-Us is bikes, and virtually everyone learned to ride a bike as a child, for fun.


Not that any decent human being would trust their offspring to a dime-store bike instead of something that isn't going to collapse when breathed on wrong available at the bike dealership for $30-50 more.

If grown-ups occasionally buy adult-sized bikes and use them for non-play activities, that's awesome; however, they must accept that bikes are also fun playthings for kids, and will be regarded as such. The rest of us are not going to pretend this isn't true so that cyclists can feel more serious about themselves.

If you took all the vehicles on earth, motorized or not, threw 'em into a giant pile, and then pulled one out at random, odds are it's going to be a Flying Pigeon PA-02. It's the most basic, most independent and most reliable form of transportation available other than walking. Cars are great for carpoolers, intercity trips and carrying a lot of something. They're horribly inefficient and expensive, and borderline suck balls at 90% of trips the world makes: same-city trips by ourselves to work. They're a nice luxury toy, but they're not what moves most of the planet, just the most spoiled.
 
2012-08-10 02:26:25 AM  

Xcott: Dansker: underwhere: Why would I ride in the street when I can see there isn't a pedestrian on the sidewalk for at least half a mile? I was told growing up to not play in the street.

Just out of sheer curiosity: Why do you consider riding a bicycle "playing"?

Because a whole corner of the Toys-R-Us is bikes, and virtually everyone learned to ride a bike as a child, for fun.


Weird. I learned to ride bike as a kid, so I could transport myself around town. I don't think any of us kids thought of biking from a to b as playing, and I've never bought a bike in a toystore.

If grown-ups occasionally buy adult-sized bikes and use them for non-play activities, that's awesome; however, they must accept that bikes are also fun playthings for kids, and will be regarded as such. The rest of us are not going to pretend this isn't true so that cyclists can feel more serious about themselves.

Cultural differences are sometimes strange and arbitrary. But if you're ever in Denmark, try to control your amusement. People standing next to bikelanes, laughing like idiots are usually considered morans.
 
2012-08-10 08:29:37 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Xcott: Because a whole corner of the Toys-R-Us is bikes, and virtually everyone learned to ride a bike as a child, for fun.

Not that any decent human being would trust their offspring to a dime-store bike instead of something that isn't going to collapse when breathed on wrong available at the bike dealership for $30-50 more.


In this whole discussion, I totally forgot about bike snobs.

Yes, a bike from Toys-R-Us might collapse when breathed on wrong, because metal frames might magically unweld when Hipster God notices that you bought a mainstream brand from a retail chain. How the Hell did a whole generation of Gen-Xers survive childhood with their deathtrap Huffy bikes?

I guess that's the same reason foodies cook with Le Creuset pans; why, a regular pan from Sears might suddenly fall apart!

In any case, this doesn't change the fact that bikes are fun playthings for kids, as well as commuting vehicles for adults. This will never change, and as an adult you must deal with this fact. If you get huffy (har) when people equate bikes with play, that's your problem: for a huge chunk of the population, bikes are for play.

Ditto with the humorless people who insist that bikes are supposed to be "operated" in the street, following all the same rules as cars. If you use a bike to commute, then yes, you probably should ride a bike like this. If you think everyone should ride a bike like this, then you don't understand that bikes are also toys: 10 million kids aren't going to stop riding in figure eights because that's not how a car commutes to work.
 
2012-08-10 09:56:27 AM  

Xcott: In any case, this doesn't change the fact that bikes are fun playthings for kids, as well as commuting vehicles for adults.


Do American children never use bicycles as vehicles?
I've always seen them as transportation that coincidentally can be fun to ride, and in that sense they aren't different from cars or motorcycles. Either way, they are primarily designed and enginered to facilitate personal transport, not as toys.
 
2012-08-10 10:30:27 AM  

Dansker: Do American children never use bicycles as vehicles?


Sure we used bikes to get places, but you'll see lots of kids just lolling around on their bikes, or jumping on makeshift ramps, popping wheelies, racing, and otherwise doing things that don't really take them anywhere. Adults also use bikes for leisure, exercise, and professional racing, none of which really count as a "commute."

Likewise, we used our legs to climb trees, play soccer, dance, etc. even though none of these activities result in a net change in displacement. I suppose when cycling becomes too mainstream, we'll have a generation of walkists who tell us that legs are only supposed to be "operated" on a sidewalk, in a straight line, to commute to our jobs.
 
2012-08-10 10:54:26 AM  

Xcott: Dansker: Do American children never use bicycles as vehicles?

Sure we used bikes to get places, but you'll see lots of kids just lolling around on their bikes, or jumping on makeshift ramps, popping wheelies, racing, and otherwise doing things that don't really take them anywhere. Adults also use bikes for leisure, exercise, and professional racing, none of which really count as a "commute."


Same in Denmark, and again, not particularly different from how people utilize cars and motorcycles, but "adults on bicycles should expect to be associated with children and their playthings," is a new one for me.

Likewise, we used our legs to climb trees, play soccer, dance, etc. even though none of these activities result in a net change in displacement. I suppose when cycling becomes too mainstream, we'll have a generation of walkists who tell us that legs are only supposed to be "operated" on a sidewalk, in a straight line, to commute to our jobs.

You seem strangely condescending and belligerent about the whole thing.
I don't think any cyclist has ever suggested that bikes should only be used for commuting to work, and I think the bit about not riding your bike on the sidewalk is a safety issue, not a question of what is mainstream or favored by hipsters (which I still don't know what are.) Likewise, if you're walking to the store, you probably don't walk in the street but on the sidewalk, right?
 
2012-08-10 10:56:31 AM  

Snow-Dog: /Yes I know it's a troll


Wrong. As of yet, I have managed to not kill anybody, but there's still time. Why do you think that bicycles are prohibited from traveling on interstate highways? Because they present a danger. Mostly to their selves, but also to the motorists who can cause serious accidents trying to avoid the semi-suicidal, wobbly slow-moving speed bumps. Even worse, a more liberal motorist, (the type to cause a wreck over a squirrel,) will certainly throw their vehicle wildly out of control, possibly killing people in other cars, all to avoid the bicyclist, who by all rights, is the one who deserves to pay the price for their gamble. Not a troll at all. Bicyclists are the trolls of the roadways.
 
2012-08-10 11:48:57 AM  

Dansker: Same in Denmark, and again, not particularly different from how people utilize cars and motorcycles, but "adults on bicycles should expect to be associated with children and their playthings," is a new one for me.


And yet in every bike thread someone says this:

JackieRabbit: Bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks. Sidewalks are for pedestrians and riding a bike on them is a hazard. A bike is considered a vehicle and must be operated on the street. It is also subject to the same laws as motorized vehicles.


So it's insulting to adult riders if we treat bikes as playthings, but it's perfectly acceptable to force an adult use of bikes on kids.

Likewise, if you're walking to the store, you probably don't walk in the street but on the sidewalk, right?

Sure, if I'm walking to the store or to work. But not every use of my legs is ambulatory for purposes of commerce. If I play basketball or chase my kid around the park, we're not going to restrict ourselves to the sidewalk, straight lines, and safe speeds, because some people have a confined view of what legs are for.

It is perfectly acceptible for a kid to pop wheelies on a bike on an unused basketball court, even if this would be a violation of 50 traffic laws if you did it with a car---because bikes are not just for imitating cars.
 
2012-08-10 12:40:10 PM  

HAMMERTOE: As of yet, I have managed to not kill anybody, but there's still time.


Oh, so not a troll, just another incompetent driver. At least you're cognizant of the fact that you're going to kill someone eventually.

Do us all a favor and stop driving on public roads until you learn how to share them properly.
 
2012-08-10 01:02:48 PM  

Xcott: Dansker: Same in Denmark, and again, not particularly different from how people utilize cars and motorcycles, but "adults on bicycles should expect to be associated with children and their playthings," is a new one for me.

And yet in every bike thread someone says this:

JackieRabbit: Bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks. Sidewalks are for pedestrians and riding a bike on them is a hazard. A bike is considered a vehicle and must be operated on the street. It is also subject to the same laws as motorized vehicles.


And that was adressed to an adult in the apparent context of actually going somewhere by bike, using the sidewalk as a bike lane. In other words, when you're being traffic, act like traffic. It's good advice for people of all ages, not just for your own and others' safety, but depending on local laws you might even have to pay a fine, if you get caught riding on the sidewalk.


So it's insulting to adult riders if we treat bikes as playthings, but it's perfectly acceptable to force an adult use of bikes on kids.

No, it's stupid to treat a bike as a toy when you're not using it as such. It's not about forcing an adult use on anyone, it's about respecting rules of traffic, which don't discriminate by age. Kind of the same way we "force an adult use" of zebra crossings and traffic lights on kids.
And if you propel yourself and your toy down a sidewalk at high speed with possibility of unexpected cross traffic, you're probably an idiot regardless of age.


It is perfectly acceptible for a kid to pop wheelies on a bike on an unused basketball court, even if this would be a violation of 50 traffic laws if you did it with a car---because bikes are not just for imitating cars.

Nobody says they are, and in my opinion popping wheelies on a basket court is perfectly acceptable for adults too.
But if you're riding your bike as transport to get somewhere, regardless of whether you're a kid or an adult, riding on the sidewalk is dangerous, unless it's the kind of sidewalk where nobody can suddenly pop out from a doorway or back their car out of a driveway in front of you, or if you're going really, really slowly. In which case riding a bike is a bit retarded

Anyway, you sound like you're really just looking for verbal fight, and we've drifted away from the subject of adult bikers being childish, so I'll just leave you to it.
 
2012-08-10 01:28:33 PM  

Snow-Dog: HAMMERTOE: As of yet, I have managed to not kill anybody, but there's still time.

Oh, so not a troll, just another incompetent driver. At least you're cognizant of the fact that you're going to kill someone eventually.


Of course, you have no idea what sidewalks he's riding on, or what they are like. There are plenty of places where a sidewalk is far safer for riding a bike, and hazard-free.

For example, in my home town there is a state highway that crosses the river. It has a gutter that has been painted as a skinny bike lane, and next to it is a sidewalk that is rarely ever used by a pedestrian. There are no driveways or streets cutting across it, and it is a straight shot so you can see a hypothetical pedestrian or bicycle across its entire length.

It is far more dangerous to yourself and others to drive in the street there, and if you take the sidewalk you are only going to hurt some internet activists who have a hangup about being equal to cars.

Meanwhile, in the residential areas the sidewalks are dangerous because they are away from the street, and cross driveways. Downtown, the sidewalks are curbside, completely abandoned of pedestrian traffic, with a clear view of all potential hazards. It's silly to call someone incompetent for biking on a sidewalk, free of any context.

As for the risk of hitting pedestrians, how do you feel about pedestrian+bike trails? Is it wrong to have those, because a bike could hit a pedestrian? Is everyone riding the Erie canal towpath incompetent for riding where people walk?
 
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