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(WBUR Boston)   According to David Barton, everything you know about American history is wrong. Especially the whole "separation of church and state" stuff. Guess which political party he consults with?   (wbur.org) divider line 178
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2012-08-09 01:51:14 PM  
If you've never heard of David Barton, you must be new here. You'll remember him from the last "most influential evangelical you've never heard of" piece posted here, or the one before that. Or any of the Texas textbook derp.

What amazes me is how brazenly they can lie, and either ignore how wrong they are (comparing two sentences shouldn't be hard) or defend the lie as coming from a place of wanting everyone to find Jesus - from the same people that want "Thou shalt not bear false witness" engraved in stone in every courthouse in the land.

Barton seems to think Deuteronomy wants us to submit to Christian "kings" (rulers). I counter that since Deuteronomy was written by Jews for Jews, we need a Jewish "king". There's also the sticky wicket of a verse from Ezra (7:26) that exhorts people to follow the laws of their host countries. And, for the New Testament types, the "render unto Caesar" thing.

How is this different from taqqiyah? (Where Muslims can lie to non-Muslims for the purposes of obscuring details of the faith - I think that's what it's called, though I may be confusing terms.) How are these yahoos any different from the Taliban again?
 
2012-08-09 01:51:56 PM  

impaler: Wait, the constitution says we have to have an Israeli king?


damn AIPAC.
 
2012-08-09 01:52:03 PM  

brap: When I think David Barton, I think of the gym where all the insanely buff homosexuals go.


....

Well, I wasn't thinking that, BUT I AM NOW!!!
 
2012-08-09 01:52:24 PM  

meat0918: Sad thing is, if a Huckabee style Dominionist got his way, Catholics and Mormons would probably not be welcome here.


That's what amazes me about the religious shiatbags in this country. Let's assume for a second that they manage to legislate away and outlaw homosexuality, dancing, drugs, evolution, global warming, Islam, abortion, etc....every single goddamn thing that they are motivated to hate.

Where do they go next? They prey upon each other. I'll give their church leaders credit--keeping a long list of enemies and an ignorant core of worshipers means you don't have a lot of people running around that remember the 30 Years War. That don't remember what REAL religious persecution feels like. That assume that when the time comes for this country to choose, it will be their version of Christ that takes the throne of this country.

One of the many reasons why they are contemptible
 
2012-08-09 01:52:24 PM  

Lord_Baull: VERBATIM!!!


טו שׂוֹם תָּשִׂים עָלֶיךָ מֶלֶךְ, אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בּוֹ: מִקֶּרֶב אַחֶיךָ, תָּשִׂים עָלֶיךָ מֶלֶךְ--לֹא תוּכַל לָתֵת עָלֶיךָ אִישׁ נָכְרִי, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-אָחִיךָ הוּא.

All right, that's modern-ish Hebrew (rather than the original script), and written backwards, and I'm taking the word of the internet that it's the correct passage since I don't read the language. But closer, yeah?
 
2012-08-09 01:52:59 PM  

Via Infinito: My mother and I recently had a shouting match (well, she did all the shouting) when she started talking about the 10 commandments being removed from a courthouse. She was infuriated. I told her it made sense because of the 1st amendment. The courthouse is a government building, and it is inappropriate to be promoting any religion in a government building. And having a copy of the 10 commandments can absolutely be seen as promoting one particular religion. Then I quoted the 1st amendment to her, which pissed her off. And then she was stuck on the part where it says "CONGRESS shall make no law..."

Then she actually said to me, "What the hell does Congress have to do with a courthouse? Congress doesn't have anything to do with that courthouse!"

I tried to explain to her how the different branches of government work and handle different things while still being part of the same whole (making laws, vs interpreting laws etc) but she just kept yelling that this country used to have God's blessing and we've squandered it and we are/will be incurring His wrath.

After a while, I just stared at her and stopped talking. I simply could not reason with her. I don't even know why I tried.


Sometimes parents just don't understand. I've been there...In south philly where the constitution was born and raised, and viewing the sites is how I spent most of my days. I learned when the first amendment is in retreat well that's a nightmare on main street.

/got jiggy wit it
 
2012-08-09 01:53:36 PM  
Who cares what political party he consults, it's the consulting school boards and education policy that's worrisome.
 
2012-08-09 01:53:48 PM  

Jim_Callahan: and written backwards


Well, now you summoned the devil.
 
2012-08-09 01:53:57 PM  

Dr Dreidel: How are these yahoos any different from the Taliban again?


They're Christians.

Also, they murder people on a much grander scale than the Taliban could ever dream.
 
2012-08-09 01:54:44 PM  
FTFA: "Jefferson, unlike the other presidents, closes his documents: 'In the year of our Lord Christ,' " Barton said, not mentioning that this was a pre-printed form that was required by law.

"But we're always told he was such a secularist and didn't believe in religion," Huckabee protested.


No Mike, people with a knowledge of history know Jefferson was a "Deist". Jefferson had a common sense view of his faith you evangellicals will never understand. That is one reason you have to project your own religious views on Jefferson.

Truth is, if you evangellicals were so strong in your faith as you claim you wouldn't need all this reinforcement to make you feel you are correct. If your faith is true the it really doesn't matter if the U.S. is a "Christian Nation" or who the Founding Fathers chose to worship. if it bothers you really bad then you need to re-evaluate yoru faith.
 
2012-08-09 01:54:49 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?


wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.
 
2012-08-09 01:55:09 PM  
"You look at Article 3, Section 1, the treason clause," he told James Robison on Trinity Broadcast Network. "Direct quote out of the Bible. You look at Article 2, the quote on the president has to be a native born? That is Deuteronomy 17:15, verbatim. I mean, it drives the secularists nuts because the Bible's all over it! Now we as Christians don't tend to recognize that. We think it's a secular document; we've bought into their lies. It's not."

We have a king now?
 
2012-08-09 01:55:41 PM  

Infernalist: The time when real Christians will be persecuted and hated and hunted like dogs by the government and the Anti-Christ, who will be charming and adored and loved around the world.


And this is why Real Christians (is this TM'ed like Real AmericansTM?) have the persecution complex. They want to be persecuted (or at least feel like it) to re-affirm their faith.

/Catholic
//I've been told by Baptists that I'm going to hell
///Is this something endemic to the United States?
 
2012-08-09 01:57:00 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Lord_Baull: VERBATIM!!!

טו שׂוֹם תָּשִׂים עָלֶיךָ מֶלֶךְ, אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בּוֹ: מִקֶּרֶב אַחֶיךָ, תָּשִׂים עָלֶיךָ מֶלֶךְ--לֹא תוּכַל לָתֵת עָלֶיךָ אִישׁ נָכְרִי, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-אָחִיךָ הוּא.

All right, that's modern-ish Hebrew (rather than the original script), and written backwards, and I'm taking the word of the internet that it's the correct passage since I don't read the language. But closer, yeah?


For the non-Hebrew speakers, this is as close to the text as I can get:

"Surely*, you shall put on you a king, chosen by god. [Chosen] from within your midst, you shall install a king - you may not put on yourselves a foreign** man who is not your brother."

* שׂוֹם תָּשִׂים usess a flowery construction where a verb is repeated to emphasize it. Literally, it translates to "Put, you put".
** נָכְרִי translates roughly to "follower of another faith".
 
2012-08-09 01:57:34 PM  
να είστε βέβαιος να διορίζει πάνω από μια βασιλιάς ο Κύριος ο Θεός σου επιλέγει. Αυτός πρέπει να είναι μεταξύ τους συναδέλφους σας Ισραηλίτες. Μην τοποθετείτε πάνω από ένα αλλοδαπό σας, κάποιος που δεν είναι ένας Ισραηλίτης

Here it is in Greek.
 
2012-08-09 01:58:41 PM  

Zik-Zak: Infernalist: The time when real Christians will be persecuted and hated and hunted like dogs by the government and the Anti-Christ, who will be charming and adored and loved around the world.

And this is why Real Christians (is this TM'ed like Real AmericansTM?) have the persecution complex. They want to be persecuted (or at least feel like it) to re-affirm their faith.

/Catholic
//I've been told by Baptists that I'm going to hell
///Is this something endemic to the United States?


Kinda sorta? Okay yeah, it's pretty much a Pentecostal thing that's almost confined to the southern states. Comes from our origins as a colony where they SENT ALL THE RELIGIOUS NUTBALLS THAT ENGLAND DIDN'T WANT AROUND.
 
2012-08-09 02:00:08 PM  

xanadian: Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?

wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.


I'm not defending the quote, since it's ridiculous, but I did hear the audio of it on NPR yesterday and it's obvious that he was joking when he said that. At least, he and his audience were laughing.
 
2012-08-09 02:00:12 PM  

Zik-Zak: Infernalist: The time when real Christians will be persecuted and hated and hunted like dogs by the government and the Anti-Christ, who will be charming and adored and loved around the world.

And this is why Real Christians (is this TM'ed like Real AmericansTM?) have the persecution complex. They want to be persecuted (or at least feel like it) to re-affirm their faith.

/Catholic
//I've been told by Baptists that I'm going to hell
///Is this something endemic to the United States?


I'd like the 'prosecute' the hot christian women.

/if you know what I mean
//stick my penis in their vagina
///or go all sodom and gonorrhea
 
2012-08-09 02:01:32 PM  
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
 
2012-08-09 02:01:56 PM  

Erix: xanadian: Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?

wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.

I'm not defending the quote, since it's ridiculous, but I did hear the audio of it on NPR yesterday and it's obvious that he was joking when he said that. At least, he and his audience were laughing.


It is a little too on the nose to be a true joke.
 
2012-08-09 02:02:04 PM  
Uh.

Anyone who hasn't heard of David Barton just hasn't been paying attention. He's like a Frank Luntz for religion.
 
2012-08-09 02:02:36 PM  
Oh good God. There's even a Youtube video of it.

*superfacepalm*
 
2012-08-09 02:02:49 PM  

meat0918: Humans have a natural repugnance to being told they are wrong. I think a lot of people feel it is a direct attack on ourselves, just as violent as a punch to the gut.


So you're saying that instead of trying to argue with idiots, I should punch them in the gut?

/VERBATIM!
 
2012-08-09 02:03:03 PM  

Erix: xanadian: Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?

wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.

I'm not defending the quote, since it's ridiculous, but I did hear the audio of it on NPR yesterday and it's obvious that he was joking when he said that. At least, he and his audience were laughing.


It's always laughing and joking at first. It's never serious at first.

I'm pretty sure that most revolutions start off like that. "...and if they don't like what we're doing to save this country, well, we'll just shoot them all!" *laughter and applause*
 
2012-08-09 02:03:12 PM  
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2012-08-09 02:04:24 PM  
David Barton is a ridiculous idiot

His work has been soundly rejected as nonsense time and time again. He's a proven liar and a moron .

The only people on Earth stupider than david Barton are those that believe his "Lies For Jesus" to be true .

Mental giants like Newt and Huckabee...

"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."
-----
 
2012-08-09 02:05:01 PM  

Charlie Chingas: I'd like the 'prosecute' the hot christian women.


'Prosecute'? On what charges, man?

/something something 'legal briefs'
//something something 'bang the gavel'
 
2012-08-09 02:06:14 PM  

Erix: xanadian: Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?

wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.

I'm not defending the quote, since it's ridiculous, but I did hear the audio of it on NPR yesterday and it's obvious that he was joking when he said that. At least, he and his audience were laughing.


I heard the quote on NPR as well. They were laughing at the "at gun point" part. Huckabee has proven himself to be the type of overly religious nutjob to fall for the claptrap of another overly religious nutjob.
 
2012-08-09 02:08:13 PM  

Zik-Zak: Charlie Chingas: I'd like the 'prosecute' the hot christian women.

'Prosecute'? On what charges, man?

/something something 'legal briefs'
//something something 'bang the gavel'


Well, I guess I'm not sure now. 'Hard' to put my 'finger' on it. 'Come' to your own conclusion.
 
2012-08-09 02:08:36 PM  

xanadian: Philip Francis Queeg: "I almost wish that there would be like a simultaneous telecast," Huckabee said at a conference last year, "and all Americans will be forced, forced - at gunpoint, no less - to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country will be better for it."

What the fark?

wait, WHAT?

I gotta find this quote. All of it.



Link
 
2012-08-09 02:08:45 PM  
the Founding Fathers were deeply religious men who built America on Christian ideas

So we're admitting that slavery and denying women the vote are Christian ideas?
 
2012-08-09 02:12:49 PM  
Barton says the founders... even opposed the theory of evolution.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-09 02:13:04 PM  
It's stupid to argue that Judeo-Christian Ethics and ideas do not pervade the Founding Documents. It is stupid to argue that the Founding Fathers were not largely men who believed in God. It's stupid to argue that none of the Founding Fathers were Christian or that Christianity had no part whatsoever in the founding of the Country.

It's stupid to argue that the Founding Documents were based on the teachings of Christianity. It is stupid to argue that the Founding Fathers were mostly devout Christians. It's stupid to argue that Christinaity and the scriptures were the most important aspect of the founding of the country.

Both 'sides' are wrong when they try to make it balck and white. It's orange. But it's pointless to have this debate all over again.

Here's my question:
David Barton is not a historian. He has a bachelor's degree in Christian education from Oral Roberts University.

He's clearly unqualified AS A HISTORIAN, and he's an evangelist. While he's entitled to his opinions and entitled to espouse whatever he likes, and write whatever he likes, why would it be treated any differently than the Latest Dan Brown garbage?
 
2012-08-09 02:13:43 PM  

Captain Darling: the Founding Fathers were deeply religious men who built America on Christian ideas

So we're admitting that slavery and denying women the vote are Christian ideas?


Yes they are. And it was CommufascialistsTM like you that changed that by allowing women to vote, setting the slaves free, workers rights, G.I. Bill of Rights, Clean Water Act, highways.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:46 PM  

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do you have that in Ermahgerd?
 
2012-08-09 02:15:13 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: He's clearly unqualified AS A HISTORIAN, and he's an evangelist. While he's entitled to his opinions and entitled to espouse whatever he likes, and write whatever he likes, why would it be treated any differently than the Latest Dan Brown garbage?


Because Dan Brown's work appears in the "fiction" section, whereas Barton's should appear in the "dumpster"?
 
2012-08-09 02:15:47 PM  

theknuckler_33: Barton says the founders... even opposed the theory of evolution.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 498x387]


Isn't there a kind of logical fallacy that makes an argument that can't be disproved because the source cannot answer/doesn't exist?
 
2012-08-09 02:17:02 PM  
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2012-08-09 02:19:47 PM  

theknuckler_33: Barton says the founders... even opposed the theory of evolution.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 498x387]


Wait, wut.

I seriously think my stupid meter just exploded. I feel my brain twitching after reading that much stupid in so short a sentence.
 
2012-08-09 02:20:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: BojanglesPaladin: He's clearly unqualified AS A HISTORIAN, and he's an evangelist. While he's entitled to his opinions and entitled to espouse whatever he likes, and write whatever he likes, why would it be treated any differently than the Latest Dan Brown garbage?

Because Dan Brown's work appears in the "fiction" section, whereas Barton's should appear in the "dumpster"?


I lol'd.
 
2012-08-09 02:21:41 PM  

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2012-08-09 02:22:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: If you've never heard of David Barton, you must be new here. You'll remember him from the last "most influential evangelical you've never heard of" piece posted here, or the one before that. Or any of the Texas textbook derp.

What amazes me is how brazenly they can lie, and either ignore how wrong they are (comparing two sentences shouldn't be hard) or defend the lie as coming from a place of wanting everyone to find Jesus - from the same people that want "Thou shalt not bear false witness" engraved in stone in every courthouse in the land.

Barton seems to think Deuteronomy wants us to submit to Christian "kings" (rulers). I counter that since Deuteronomy was written by Jews for Jews, we need a Jewish "king". There's also the sticky wicket of a verse from Ezra (7:26) that exhorts people to follow the laws of their host countries. And, for the New Testament types, the "render unto Caesar" thing.

How is this different from taqqiyah? (Where Muslims can lie to non-Muslims for the purposes of obscuring details of the faith - I think that's what it's called, though I may be confusing terms.) How are these yahoos any different from the Taliban again?


On average, they're lighter.
 
2012-08-09 02:22:35 PM  
Fascism requires that the Church and State become one to maintain control of the people.
 
2012-08-09 02:22:39 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Because Dan Brown's work appears in the "fiction" section, whereas Barton's should appear in the "dumpster"?


I hereby declare you the Thread Winnah! and award you one internets.
 
2012-08-09 02:23:58 PM  

Zik-Zak: theknuckler_33: Barton says the founders... even opposed the theory of evolution.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 498x387]

Isn't there a kind of logical fallacy that makes an argument that can't be disproved because the source cannot answer/doesn't exist?


Not sure, but there's definitely a logical fallacy where you say someone didn't believe in something that wasn't around until a hundred years later. I think it's called the Argumentum Whatus-the-farkus.
 
2012-08-09 02:28:31 PM  

Citrate1007: Fascism requires that the Church and State become one to maintain control of the people.


Fascism does not require religion. It CAN incorporate it, and has, but religion is not a componant of Fascism.

Moreover, Fascism must sublimate religion to the higher ideal of "the state", which is inherently secular. Meaning that religion in a fascist state can only exist by minimizing it's emphasis on a higher law than the law of the state.

Fascism by its nature requires the state as the absolute authority.

Totalitarianism, on the other hand can seamlessly derive authority directly from religion, and we have countless examples both historic and contemprary of Totalitarian theocracies.
 
2012-08-09 02:34:55 PM  

eraser8: I've heard of that slimy c*ck hole: David Barton's The Jefferson Lies Voted the Least Credible History Book in Print


David Barton's "myths" about Jefferson, Howard Zinn's People's History, 1421, DiLorenzo's Libertarian revisionist take on Lincoln, and Bill O'Reilly's mishandling of Lincoln. That's their top five.

I'm honestly surprised about Zinn being so high. But then again, they all are guilty of stretching the truth to satisfy an agenda.
 
2012-08-09 02:39:03 PM  

theknuckler_33: Zik-Zak: theknuckler_33: Barton says the founders... even opposed the theory of evolution.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 498x387]

Isn't there a kind of logical fallacy that makes an argument that can't be disproved because the source cannot answer/doesn't exist?

Not sure, but there's definitely a logical fallacy where you say someone didn't believe in something that wasn't around until a hundred years later. I think it's called the Argumentum Whatus-the-farkus.


Oh. I've been calling it argumentum e rectum all this time. I was wrong.
 
2012-08-09 02:44:55 PM  

Gwyrddu: You could also glean the same information from reading the Federalist Papers by the way, in which the reasoning and advocacy for the US constitution is made. In an explanation spanning a couple hundred pages, not once is there a reference to Christianity.


Not true!

"The first which presents itself is the Germanic body. In the early ages of Christianity, Germany was occupied by seven distinct nations, who had no common chief. The Franks, one of the number, having conquered the Gauls, established the kingdom which has taken its name from them blah blah blah blah blah..."


It does say this on religion though:
The electors are to be the great body of the people of the United States. They are to be the same who exercise the right in every State of electing the corresponding branch of the legislature of the State. Who are to be the objects of popular choice? Every citizen whose merit may recommend him to the esteem and confidence of his country. No qualification of wealth, of birth, of religious faith, or of civil profession is permitted to fetter the judgement or disappoint the inclination of the people.
 
2012-08-09 02:46:45 PM  
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