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(ESPN)   T.O.: 'I promise not to assplode this team. I mean it, this time. I've changed. I mean that this time too.'   (espn.go.com) divider line 56
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2012-08-09 05:19:14 AM
I'll give him until Thanksgiving until his mouth starts running more complex patterns than his legs.
 
2012-08-09 08:38:53 AM
That's my manipulator
 
2012-08-09 09:54:21 AM
I think Carroll just wants the guaranteed sportscenter highlight. More than the Hawks usually get from the East-coast Sports Promotion Network
 
2012-08-09 11:24:25 AM
He causes trouble when the team underperforms.

If the team is underperforming and he's causing trouble, he gets cut because there's no reason to keep him and it gives the team a potential boost.
If the team is underperforming and he's not causing trouble, then he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he, like expected if the team is doing well, is not causing trouble, then again, he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he is still causing trouble (the only reason he would do this if the team is doing well is if he's not getting enough attention on the field), then he gets cut because he's not producing on the field and he's not worth it.

So again, it doesn't matter what he says, there is still no drawback to having him for a year contract.
 
2012-08-09 11:32:27 AM
He wasn't the Bengals' team cancer. That will always be Mike Brown.
 
2012-08-09 11:32:51 AM
God, this douche is still around?
 
2012-08-09 11:46:34 AM
Five chances he's blown, plus a chance in the arena league, and someone's still taking him back? Wow.

Am I ever glad I'm a Packer fan (and that I bought my dad a share of stock for Christmas). We're structurally protected from obvious clubhouse cancers by virtue of being based in northeastern Wisconsin. No prima donna will come near us. Terry Glenn was about as bad as it's ever likely to get.

Well, that and we're not big on signing free agents in the first place.
 
2012-08-09 11:46:54 AM
I'd have to believe that his days as a locker room prima dona are pretty much behind him. If his physical skills are still close to what they were, he may have a pretty good year.
 
2012-08-09 11:59:00 AM
He ran a 4.4s 40.
 
2012-08-09 12:03:46 PM

Generation_D: I think Carroll just wants the guaranteed sportscenter highlight. More than the Hawks usually get from the East-coast Sports Promotion Network


He could try winning. The Lakers sure seem to get a lot of love from ESPN.
 
2012-08-09 12:04:32 PM

Gosling: Five chances he's blown,


He's blown two chances (SF and Philly), though both of those "chances" were largely the result of saying stuff on his way out the door. Buffalo didn't use him as much as they should've but he didn't complain and finished his season with them with no issues and 900 or so yards. Cincinnati didn't have any problems with him and he went for another 900 or so, then blew out his knee, which was why they didn't bother re-signing him.

If you put any stock into press releases written by an owner who has the opportunity to effectively have paid nothing for a season's worth of free publicity for a minor-league football team, it's kinda cute how naive you are. And it's not Arena ball. It's Indoor football. There's a difference (rebound nets, mostly). Just because HS football and the NFL are played on the same size field doesn't mean we use the terms interchangeably. Same should go for arena football and indoor football.
 
2012-08-09 12:05:32 PM

CheatCommando: Generation_D: I think Carroll just wants the guaranteed sportscenter highlight. More than the Hawks usually get from the East-coast Sports Promotion Network

He could try winning. The Lakers sure seem to get a lot of love from ESPN.


One would think he'd remember that from his USC days.
 
2012-08-09 12:22:10 PM
Zero risk associated with the signing. GM has assured the press that he, Pete and TO had a nice chat before the contract was signed explaining to TO exactly what was expected of him and exactly why they'd have no problem tossing him out on his sorry ass if he deviated from the plan.
 
2012-08-09 12:40:01 PM
Pete Carol will never get that team over .500 before he's fired.
 
2012-08-09 12:41:42 PM
I honestly don't think he ever intends to destroy his team. I just think he can't help but do that.
 
2012-08-09 12:55:03 PM
so what if he destroys the team, the entire 54 man roster (or is it higher now... damn cba) gone and they hawks are out like $27.42.

/and insurance should pick most of that up
//hawks were going to be awful either way this year at least now they have the train wreck going for them
///which is nice
 
2012-08-09 12:56:25 PM
I just find it odd that the Hawks cut Mike Williams and then got TO.
 
2012-08-09 12:59:04 PM

Incog_Neeto: Pete Carol will never get that team over .500 before he's fired.


After 100 NFL games and three teams I'd say pete carroll is what he is... a .500 coach (well, 47-49 anyway). That said, I think the hawks are a great sleeper pick to go deep this year. The defense is solid and the offense is 'good enough' if Flynn pans out.
 
2012-08-09 01:00:52 PM

bhcompy: I just find it odd that the Hawks cut Mike Williams and then got TO.


According to wikipedia Williams has already received three other offers.
 
2012-08-09 01:49:05 PM
Who?
 
2012-08-09 02:08:22 PM

JohnBigBootay: Incog_Neeto: Pete Carol will never get that team over .500 before he's fired.

After 100 NFL games and three teams I'd say pete carroll is what he is... a .500 coach (well, 47-49 anyway). That said, I think the hawks are a great sleeper pick to go deep this year. The defense is solid and the offense is 'good enough' if Flynn pans out.


This. It's a Top 10, possibly Top 5 defense. If Flynn is servicable this year and the O-Line avoids being decimated by injury like last year, I see 10-11 wins.
 
2012-08-09 02:13:05 PM

seumasokelly: I see 10-11 wins.


I would predict this except for their schedule. They could easily be a dramatically improved team and have the same record as last year.
 
2012-08-09 02:14:13 PM

Dude O Matic 5000: He ran a 4.4s 40.


Hell, my grandmother's quicker and tougher than that pansy!
 
2012-08-09 02:14:25 PM

IAmRight: He causes trouble when the team underperforms.

If the team is underperforming and he's causing trouble, he gets cut because there's no reason to keep him and it gives the team a potential boost.
If the team is underperforming and he's not causing trouble, then he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he, like expected if the team is doing well, is not causing trouble, then again, he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he is still causing trouble (the only reason he would do this if the team is doing well is if he's not getting enough attention on the field), then he gets cut because he's not producing on the field and he's not worth it.

So again, it doesn't matter what he says, there is still no drawback to having him for a year contract.



That's like saying a little bit of herpes is OK...as long as isn't get too bad. No good will come of this. TO can't shut his mouth...he just can't.

SF, Dallas, and Philadelphia sent him packing in the height of career...As good as he was (and he was really good) his play couldn't make up for his lousy attitude...now that he's a shell of his former self..playing on a crappy team in a crappy division for a crappy NFL coach...It's only a matter of time before he throws someone under the bus.
 
2012-08-09 02:16:10 PM
As a Seahawk fan I am Ok with this.

People do change as they age. Remember Pete got a good year out of Mike Williams. Everyone said that was a bad move.

I trust Pete until he screws something up. So far he has improved the team each season.
 
2012-08-09 02:30:35 PM
Give him a shot, cut him if he makes problems. If Flynn's for real, it's a very interesting team.
 
2012-08-09 02:35:04 PM

IAmRight: He causes trouble when the team underperforms.

If the team is underperforming and he's causing trouble, he gets cut because there's no reason to keep him and it gives the team a potential boost.
If the team is underperforming and he's not causing trouble, then he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he, like expected if the team is doing well, is not causing trouble, then again, he isn't an issue.
If the team is doing well and he is still causing trouble (the only reason he would do this if the team is doing well is if he's not getting enough attention on the field), then he gets cut because he's not producing on the field and he's not worth it.

So again, it doesn't matter what he says, there is still no drawback to having him for a year contract.


I hate agreeing with you, but here we are. Terrell Owens is a top-20 WR in any format.
 
2012-08-09 02:38:08 PM

KFBR392: SF, Dallas, and Philadelphia sent him packing in the height of career...As good as he was (and he was really good) his play couldn't make up for his lousy attitude...now that he's a shell of his former self..playing on a crappy team in a crappy division for a crappy NFL coach...It's only a matter of time before he throws someone under the bus.


He didn't throw his crappy teams in crappy divisions for crappy NFL coaches under the bus in Buffalo or Cincinnati.
 
2012-08-09 02:40:53 PM

HaywoodJablonski: I hate agreeing with you, but here we are. Terrell Owens is a top-20 WR in any format.


Sh*t, I hate myself having to "talk up" Owens. I don't even like the guy. But it's a no-risk, potential high-reward situation for a team I like, and they've pretty much made nothing but sensible moves recently. (draft 'tards complaints don't mean a whole lot to me - last year they got the worst score and wound up having some damn good rookies, including one of the best CBs in the league in the 4th round. A couple years ago they got an A for getting Aaron Curry, who was supposedly the only guy who had no chance of being a bust...who did jack sh*t.)
 
2012-08-09 03:01:03 PM
Since pre-season starts tonight, anyone know any streaming sites that haven't been shutdown by feds?
 
2012-08-09 03:07:20 PM

overfienduglar: Since pre-season starts tonight, anyone know any streaming sites that haven't been shutdown by feds?


atdhenet.tv

Scroll down.
 
2012-08-09 03:27:22 PM
Well, hope springs eternal. Good luck to you, TO.
 
2012-08-09 03:29:57 PM
Between being in Seattle, Super Bowl XL, playing in the NFC West, and now having to put up with TO, I'm starting to feel sorry for Seahawks fans. And keep in mind that this is coming from a Lions fan.
 
2012-08-09 04:08:10 PM

Zoophagous: As a Seahawk fan I am Ok with this.

People do change as they age. Remember Pete got a good year out of Mike Williams. Everyone said that was a bad move.

I trust Pete until he screws something up. So far he has improved the team each season.


The seahawks finished 7-9 for two years in a row in a bad division, probably the worst overall division in the NFL. Granted they did win that playoff game, but I would hardly say improvement.
 
2012-08-09 04:19:45 PM
I'm done giving a damn about TO. He's done his time in purgatory, i.e., media ignoring him / teams ditching him. As long as he's not the lead story on Sportscenter every night, let the guy play some ball. It's not like he's the sh*ttiest receiver out there.

Prediction: He plays, puts up competent numbers for his age, does his best to keep his mouth shut, and the world goes on.
 
2012-08-09 04:34:35 PM

IAmRight: Gosling: Five chances he's blown,

If you put any stock into press releases written by an owner who has the opportunity to effectively have paid nothing for a season's worth of free publicity for a minor-league football team, it's kinda cute how naive you are. And it's not Arena ball. It's Indoor football. There's a difference (rebound nets, mostly). Just because HS football and the NFL are played on the same size field doesn't mean we use the terms interchangeably. Same should go for arena football and indoor football.


Please let this butthurt be real. The idea of one ardent, niche fan of non-NFL "pro" football taking genuine offense to someone else not knowing the difference between "mediocre semi-pro football league A" and "mediocre semi-pro league B" is hilarious.

Please tell me you have a blog devoted to the "Omaha Catfish" or whichever team, and if you don't, please start one.
 
2012-08-09 04:35:53 PM

Gosling: Five chances he's blown, plus a chance in the arena league, and someone's still taking him back? Wow.

Am I ever glad I'm a Packer fan (and that I bought my dad a share of stock for Christmas). We're structurally protected from obvious clubhouse cancers by virtue of being based in northeastern Wisconsin. No prima donna will come near us. Terry Glenn was about as bad as it's ever likely to get.

Well, that and we're not big on signing free agents in the first place.


Belichick benching Glenn was when the Patriots turned from being doormats into perennial contenders.

Glenn was a really good player at that point but it turned out he was even more valuable as an example.
 
2012-08-09 04:42:13 PM

bhcompy: I just find it odd that the Hawks cut Mike Williams and then got TO.


Williams had a decent-sized contract and TO is signing for the minimum with hardly any guarantees.
 
2012-08-09 04:43:55 PM

erupt2001: Zoophagous: As a Seahawk fan I am Ok with this.

People do change as they age. Remember Pete got a good year out of Mike Williams. Everyone said that was a bad move.

I trust Pete until he screws something up. So far he has improved the team each season.

The seahawks finished 7-9 for two years in a row in a bad division, probably the worst overall division in the NFL. Granted they did win that playoff game, but I would hardly say improvement.


Or you could do a slightly less lazy analysis and see that the team's strength of schedule, point differential and other metrics (DVOA, etc.) all pointed to significant improvement from 2010 to 2011.
 
2012-08-09 04:54:12 PM
A
SPLODE

Two words. Not one.

As in, "Your head a splode."
 
2012-08-09 04:57:44 PM

Super Chronic: erupt2001: Zoophagous: As a Seahawk fan I am Ok with this.

People do change as they age. Remember Pete got a good year out of Mike Williams. Everyone said that was a bad move.

I trust Pete until he screws something up. So far he has improved the team each season.

The seahawks finished 7-9 for two years in a row in a bad division, probably the worst overall division in the NFL. Granted they did win that playoff game, but I would hardly say improvement.

Or you could do a slightly less lazy analysis and see that the team's strength of schedule, point differential and other metrics (DVOA, etc.) all pointed to significant improvement from 2010 to 2011.


The Trollhawks have improved over the last few years, even if their record doesn't show it. Their defense is pretty damn good considering their starters are all named something like #74 LDE like someone from Atari Football. Lynch has been the workhorse that Buffalo always wanted him to be. Flynn is an upgrade over Jackson, at least on paper.

They've earned their nickname in the last couple of years because they are good enough to beat any team in football. But they're so inconsistent and have had such gaping roster holes that they'll beat the Saints one week and lose to the Browns the next. If they can smooth things out, they'll be solid.
 
2012-08-09 05:03:59 PM

KFBR392: It's only a matter of time before he throws someone under the bus.


At which point you cut him with extremely minimal damage. What's the problem? Prima donna loudmouths are only a potential season-wrecking problem when you reaalllly need their productivity (say a #1 receiver or stud corner) or the cap hit sort of forces you to keep them around. That obstacle is simply not in play in this situation. I think you are going to find that previously troublesome guys are were only huge problems when they had leverage. Owens has none. That's not to say I predict he won't be troublesome, just that if he is, he won't be troublesome for very long.
 
2012-08-09 05:11:38 PM

Super Chronic: bhcompy: I just find it odd that the Hawks cut Mike Williams and then got TO.

Williams had a decent-sized contract and TO is signing for the minimum with hardly any guarantees.


Sure, but the Seahawks are starved for anyone who can play WR, which is why I found it strange they cut their best one at the time
 
2012-08-09 05:19:28 PM

IAmRight: He's blown two chances (SF and Philly), though both of those "chances" were largely the result of saying stuff on his way out the door. Buffalo didn't use him as much as they should've but he didn't complain and finished his season with them with no issues and 900 or so yards. Cincinnati didn't have any problems with him and he went for another 900 or so, then blew out his knee, which was why they didn't bother re-signing him.


It's not just about the raw numbers. TO's problem has always been what kind of smoldering wreckage of a clubhouse he's left in his wake.
 
2012-08-09 05:21:05 PM

bhcompy: Super Chronic: bhcompy: I just find it odd that the Hawks cut Mike Williams and then got TO.

Williams had a decent-sized contract and TO is signing for the minimum with hardly any guarantees.

Sure, but the Seahawks are starved for anyone who can play WR, which is why I found it strange they cut their best one at the time


Mike Williams was the 3rd best WR on the team.
 
2012-08-09 05:27:57 PM

Crocodile Arms: The idea of one ardent, niche fan of non-NFL "pro" football taking genuine offense to someone else not knowing the difference between "mediocre semi-pro football league A" and "mediocre semi-pro league B" is hilarious.


I'm not genuinely offended, I'm simply educating. If you choose to continue to look ignorant, by all means, feel free. But don't act like you're cool because you're ignorant.

Also, both leagues are typically considered professional leagues.

erupt2001: The seahawks finished 7-9 for two years in a row in a bad division, probably the worst overall division in the NFL. Granted they did win that playoff game, but I would hardly say improvement.


They would've been an over .500 team if Tarvaris Jackson had remained healthy last year. That's how bad Charlie Whitehurst is. (They'd have beaten Cleveland instead of losing 6-3 and then there wouldn't have been the incentive to tank against Arizona in the season finale, which moved them up three spots in the draft order, where they traded the pick and got a free third-rounder basically for losing that game).

bhcompy: Sure, but the Seahawks are starved for anyone who can play WR, which is why I found it strange they cut their best one at the time


I was Williams' biggest advocate when they signed him and was glad to see him sorta live up to his promise for a while, but no, he wasn't their best receiver, and no, he wasn't worth more than the league minimum.
 
2012-08-09 05:32:52 PM

Gosling: It's not just about the raw numbers. TO's problem has always been what kind of smoldering wreckage of a clubhouse he's left in his wake.


Which hasn't happened since Philly, realistically. So 2006.

Man, Peyton Manning's problem is that he just can't win the big one, y'know. Giant choker.
 
2012-08-09 05:49:48 PM

Twigz221: A
SPLODE

Two words. Not one.

As in, "Your head a splode."


I have literally never seen it this way, ever.

Are we gonna use this for the gamenight thread?
 
2012-08-09 06:09:17 PM
Flynns touchdowns have to go to someone. Who else is it going to be?
 
2012-08-09 06:20:26 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Flynns touchdowns have to go to someone. Who else is it going to be?


Edwards, Winslow, Miller, Baldwin, Tate, Rice...
 
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